SH Archive Ancient City of Helike: when did it get destroyed?

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Was gonna write something on our timeline. Instead, I absolutely have to do a small write up on this "ancient" city of Helice. It kind of popped up, and I think it could have a tremendous importance for our understanding of where we are at timewise. This thread is gonna go along with our Pompeii one.
So, hang tight, and try to pay attention. This is a reader's thread.
  • The events presented to us as the Great Biblical Flood could be seriously misdated.
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Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus (121 – 180) was Roman emperor from 161 to 180 and a Stoic philosopher. He was the last of the rulers known as the Five Good Emperors, and the last emperor of the Pax Romana, an age of relative peace and stability for the Roman Empire. He served as Roman consul in 140, 145, and 161.

Source for the below: 1673 book, Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, the Roman Emperor

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Source for the below: 1635 book, An Apologie Or Declaration of the Power and Providence of God in the Government of the World

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KD: While anything could be fake, the significance of the above lies within the following.
  • These words were not touched by our contemporary pseudo-historians, and their interpretations
  • We have Pompeii and Helice in the same sentence
  • Helice, in this 17th century opinion, was drowned in Ogyges Flood
Having Pompeii and Helice mentioned in this manner could suggest that they died during the same event. We can also see that "innumerable other" Men and Towns, were "Dead and Gone". Obviously, there could be other interpretations, but I will explore this one.

We also have Helice drowned by Ogyges Flood after a "fight in vain", as mentioned in the above book having "God in the Government of the World" in its title.

Ogyges Flood
Just about every culture has the Great Flood mentioned in their mythology, religion, or whatever you wanna call it. The Greeks are not an exceptions. This Ogyges Deluge is one of those. For us the importance of this particular Deluge lies in its connection with Plato, and the Atlantis time frame. This time frame will suffer a bit of a change in this thread.
  • The first worldwide flood in Greek mythology, the Ogygian deluge occurred during Ogyge's reign and derives its name from him, though some sources regard it as a local flood, such as an inundation of Lake Copais, a large lake once in the center of Boeotia. Other sources see it as a flood associated with Attica. This latter view was accepted by Africanus, who says "that great and first flood occurred in Attica, when Phoroneus was king of Argos, as Acusilaus relates."
  • When this deluge has been considered global, a similarity is noticed with Noah's flood in the Bible. Various dates have been assigned to the event, including 9500 BCE (Plato), 2136 BCE (Varro), and 1793 BCE (Africanus).
  • In many traditions the Ogygian flood is said to have covered the whole world and was so devastating that Attica remained without kings until the reign of Cecrops.
    • Ogyges survived the deluge but many people perished. After his death, the devastated Attica was without kings for 189 years, until the time of Cecrops.
Plato and Atlantis
Plato in his Laws, Book III, argues that this flood had occurred ten thousand years before his time, as opposed to only "one or two thousand years that have elapsed" since the discovery of music, and other inventions. Also in Timaeus (22) and in Critias (111-112) he describes the "great deluge of all" as having been preceded by 9,000 years of history before the time of his contemporary Solon, during the 10th millennium BCE. In addition, the texts report that "many great deluges have taken place during the nine thousand years" since Athens and Atlantis were preeminent.
  • KD: I think this here could be of great importance to us. If the below described city of Helike indeed perished in this Ogyges Flood, there would have to be some corrections to be made all over the place. This way we end up with the following:
    • Atlantis and Helike (see below) vanished fairly simultaneously
    • 9,000 years before Platos' time (~11,500 years ago) = 373 BC
Of course this 373 BC was provided by the pseudo-historians, for we will end up pushing this date closer to our existence. May be too close for comfort. And to reemphasize how messed up our understanding of historical timelines is, I can add the following from the Wiki-official Helike page:
  • The poet Homer states that the city of Helike participated in the Trojan War as a part of Agamemnon's forces.
    • The Trojan War (officially) happened between 1194 and 1184 BC, or between 1260 and 1180 BC.
And as we all know, not everything is quite right with the city of Troy either:
Helice aka Helike
Helike was an ancient Greek polis that was submerged by a tsunami in the winter of 373 BC. It was located in the regional unit of Achaea, two kilometres (12 stadia) from the Corinthian Gulf and near the city of Boura, which, like Helike, was a member of the Achaean League. Modern research attributes the catastrophe to an earthquake and accompanying tsunami which destroyed and submerged the city.
  • Modern Research is where the problem is. It's purpose is to substitute whatever really happened with the PTB narrative.
Coincidence?
  • On 23 August 1817, a similar disaster, an earthquake followed by a tsunami, occurred on the same spot. The earthquake was preceded by a sudden explosion, like that produced by a battery of cannon. The aftershock was said to have lasted a minute and a half, during which the sea rose at the mouth of the Selinous River and extended to cover all the ground immediately below Vostitza (the ancient Aigion). After its retreat, not a trace was left of some artillery depots which had stood on the shore, and the beach was carried away completely.
  • In Vostitza, 65 people lost their lives and two thirds of its buildings were entirely ruined, as were five villages in the plain.
The below map snippet shows where our contemporary archaeologists place the ruins of the ancient city of Helike.

So much for the ruins of an ancient city, right? We have these whopping 133 feet of antiquity to represent the city whose legacy made it through several thousand years of history... "a cultural and religious center with its own coinage".

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To understand what the site looks like, please inspect the following photograph.

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I was just kidding about the above being the only site. They sure are digging in a few other places. Personally, I don't think it matters where they dig in that area. Regardless of the location they will be finding buried structures, but that's just my opinion based on what I have seen so far.

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Note: As far as I understand, this city of Helice was big enough to be rediscovered both on land, and under water.

Helike History
1. Helike was founded in the Bronze Age (c. 3200–600 BC), becoming the principal city of Achaea. The poet Homer states that the city of Helike participated in the Trojan War (c. 1194–1184 BC) as a part of Agamemnon's forces. Later, following its fall to the Achaeans, Helike led the Achaean League, an association that joined twelve neighboring cities in an area including today's town of Aigio.
  • Helike, also known as Dodekapolis (from the Greek words dodeka meaning twelve and polis meaning city), became a cultural and religious center with its own coinage.
  • Finds from ancient Helike are limited to two fifth-century copper coins, now housed in Bode Museum, Berlin.
  • The obverse shows the head of Poseidon, the city's patron, and the reverse his trident. There was a temple dedicated to the Helikonian Poseidon.
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2. The city was destroyed in 373 BC, two years before the Battle of Leuctra, during a winter night. Several events were construed in retrospect as having warned of the disaster: some "immense columns of flame" appeared, and five days previously, all animals and vermin fled the city, going toward Keryneia.
  • The city and a space of 12 stadia below it sank into the earth and were covered over by the sea.
  • All the inhabitants perished without a trace, and the city was obscured from view except for a few building fragments projecting from the sea.
  • Ten Spartan ships anchored in the harbour were dragged down with it.
  • An attempt involving 2,000 men to recover bodies was unsuccessful.
  • Aigion took possession of its territory.
3. The catastrophe was attributed to the vengeance of Poseidon, whose wrath was incited because the inhabitants of Helike had refused to give their statue of Poseidon to the Ionian colonists in Asia, or even to supply them with a model. According to some authorities, the inhabitants of Helike and Bura had even murdered the Ionian deputies.
  • About 150 years after the disaster, the philosopher Eratosthenes visited the site and reported that a standing bronze statue of Poseidon was submerged in a "poros", "holding in one hand a hippocamp", where it posed a hazard to those who fished with nets.
  • Around 174 AD the traveler Pausanias visited a coastal site still called Helike, located seven kilometres southeast of Aigio, and reported that the walls of the ancient city were still visible under water, "but not so plainly now as they were once, because they are corroded by the salt water".
  • For centuries after, its submerged ruins could still be seen. Roman tourists frequently sailed over the site, admiring the city's statuary. Later the site silted over and the location was lost to memory.
Rediscovery of Helike
In 1988, the Greek archaeologist Dora Katsonopoulou, president of the Helike Society, and Steven Soter of the American Museum of Natural History launched the Helike Project to locate the site of the lost city.
  • Ancient texts, telling the story of Helike, said that the city had sunk into a poros, which everyone interpreted as the Corinthian Gulf.
  • However, Katsonopoulou and Soter raised the possibility that poros could have meant an inland lagoon.
  • If an earthquake caused soil liquefaction on a large scale, the city would have been taken downward below the sea level.
  • Also, if an earthquake caused the sections of coastline to fall into the sea, this would have created a tsunami, which in turn would have flooded the inland lagoon with the city in it.
  • Over time, the river sediment coming down from the mountains would have filled in the lagoon hiding the city remains beneath the solid ground.
Older Maps
This is my favorite part, for there is no "Non-BS" explanation TPTB can provide in order to explain the existence of certain things on these maps. In this case we will continue asking our regular question.
  • Why do we have this city/town on the below maps?
  • Helike was destroyed and drowned: some time between 9,000 years ago and 2,500 years ago.
  • Rediscovered: 1988
1578
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1578 Map

1596
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1596 Map

1640
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1640 Map - Modern Greece

1660
... no better quality...
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1660 Map

1665
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1665 Map

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1665 Map

1666
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1666 Map

1682
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1682 Map

1751
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1751 Map

1762
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1762 Map

Modern Research
It is interesting that the so-called Modern Research started at the break of the 19th century. I believe the below 1817 excerpts could be the initial steps in the coverup of the true events. I'm thinking a natural disaster disguise was being used to conceal a Global War. Mahabharata scale?


The text above was made up by Jean Jacques Barthelemy. Jesuit superimposing the narrative over the remnants of our true history. Go figure.
  • In 1788 Jean Jacques Barthelemy (1716–95), a highly esteemed classical scholar and Jesuit, published The Travels of Anacharsis the Younger in Greece, about a young Scythian descended from Anacharsis. The 4-volume work was an imaginary travel journal, one of the first historical novels, which Klemperer called "the encyclopedia of the new cult of the antique" in the late 18th century.
Anacharsis himself has already honored our forum with his visit. He allegedly lived in 6th century BC. But just like with everyone else, he did not look like an Ancient Greek until his appearance was made up in the 18th century. Prior to that, Anacharsis looked like this.

KD: Well, why do we have a city, which was allegedly destroyed in, at least, 373 BC present on the maps produced 1,800 years later? Did Helice still exist in 1762, and if it did:
  • why are we being told that it was destroyed in 373 BC?
  • why Plato considered that it was destroyed ~11,500 years ago?
  • was the city really destroyed by the Ogyges Deluge?
  • Ogyges Deluge and the Great Biblical Flood: are they one and the same?
  • why today's archaeologists look for Helice on shore, while ancient accounts state, "The city and a space of 12 stadia below it sank into the earth and were covered over by the sea."?​
  • what is the significance of "On 23 August 1817, a similar disaster, an earthquake followed by a tsunami, occurred on the same spot."?
  • when did all this craziness really take place, 18th-19th century? And we just picked up at about 1850s?

KD Conclusion: It starts to sound that at the times when "Gods Governed the World" there was a huge War. Cities "fought in vain". And may be today this event is being presented as "THE GREAT FLOOD". Just thinking...
  • So, when did our history really start?
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General outline of the Helike question could be deduced with the help of this thread
We have old Helike, which might have been Heligoland or in same general area
It got flooded, along with other North Atlantic lands
Around 15th/16th century come in the Jesuit monks, they move Hellenic world to the Mediterranean
New city of Helike is born, not for long though
18th/19th century catastrophe comes in and destroys new Helike as well

I wonder what was the original name of the new Helike

p.s. This 'Achean league', does it have anything to do with Hanseatic league?
 
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Really good call. This Helike is represented on the northern coast of Peloponnese, Greece. Vinci says ancient Peloponnese was modern Zealand, Denmark. What do we find in Northern Zealand? Helsingør (Helsingør - Wikipedia) and Helsinge (Helsinge - Wikipedia). The Danish Tycho Brahe's observatory was in Uranienborg on the "Hellesponti Danici". On the other side of the Hellespont we have Helsingborg in Scania, Sweden.

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