Ancient Rome according to Piranesi and others

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"The Prisons (Carceri d'invenzione or Imaginary Prisons) is a series of 16 prints by the Italian artist Giovanni Battista Piranesi in the 18th century. They depict enormous subterranean vaults with stairs and mighty machines." (Imaginary Prisons - Wikipedia)

Where these prisons were supposed to be, besides the chaotic mind of our dear artist? We are obviously talking about an underground setting here, but we can maybe deduce the location from some details. First of all, let's say that the word prisons translates as carceri in Italian and carceres in Latin. Today we are shown places of "ancient" Rome which somehow represent these prisons, like the modest Mamertine Prison (Mamertine Prison - Wikipedia), behind San Giuseppe dei Falegnami church.

But if there is a thing everyone knows from history books, novels, movies and so on, is that Rome was built upon slave labour. Slaves were everywhere but in prison: in the houses of the nobility (working as barbers, butlers, cooks, hairdressers...), in urban workplaces (fullers, engravers, shoemakers, bakers...), in farms, mines, quarries and, most importantly, circuses (Slavery in ancient Rome - Wikipedia). Is it just a coincidence the similarity between the words circus and carcerem? Can we find a connection of sort?

In the image above we can see a modern reconstruction of the carceres of Circus Maximus, complete with its track-side seatings upon them, which form a slope with a certain degree. Where did we see that slope?

What is hidden under Palatine Hill? With an height of 40 meters (131 feet), the fantasy prisons of Piranesi would certainly fit beneath it. It would be interesting to understand what type of job these slaves/gladiators/prisoners did in those prisons/carceres/circuses. What kind of purpose those "engines and machinery, wheels, cables, pulleys, levers, catapults, etc." depicted by Piranesi in his 16 capricci above were supposed to serve?

"In 1852 a gas works was built on the site by the Anglo-Italian Gas Society. It remained in situ until 1910 when it was relocated to the edge of Rome." (Circus Maximus - Wikipedia)
I love this kind of stuff.

Perplexing that the artist both drew ruined and not-so ruined drawings of Rome. Was he copying another drawing? Or did the artist live through the great changes and therefore was alive to draw a before-and-after picture of Rome?
Anyway it seems to me that the 16th century for Rome is the century in which everything was turned upside down.
Indeed, I found the same date a few years ago while researching Rome for the first time on my forum on the mudflood thread.
Notice how all the victims in the above painting have green skin. I've noted green-skinned people to be quite prevalent in Italy in tapestries, busts and paintings of the 1400s. Not before, and not after. Well, maybe now we know why they aren't depicted later on. It is because they were all slaughtered perhaps. The question arises as to where they came from all of sudden to pop up in the 1400s.
 
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Here is a list and MSM timeline of archeologists, etc., translated from

Archaeological chronology 1407 - 1561
1407 Filippo Brunellesco and Donato Bardi study the ancient buildings of Rome and excavate them.
1424 Ciriaco de 'Pizzicolli of Ancona begins his antiquarian travels in Italy and in the East.
1445-1446 Editing of Flavio Biondo's work: Romae instauratae libri tres.
1447 Dialogue De varietate fortunae by Poggio Bracciolini concerning the topography
of ancient Rome.
1450 Nicolò V gives LB Alberti and B. Rossellino the task of rebuilding the basilica of St. Peter in the Vatican.
1450 Report by Giovanni Rucellai on the jubilee of 1450 with information on Roman topography.
1452 Beschreibung der Stadt Rom by Nicolò Muffel.
1460 Devastation of the Colosseum for the buildings of Pius II.
About 1460. Fra Giocondo begins his archaeological investigations in Rome.
1465 Publication of the work of LB Alberti: De re aedificatoria, Florence.
1466 and following Lorenzo the Magnificent and Pope Paul II collect antiquities.
1471 Pope Sixtus IV begins the Capitoline municipal collection of ancient sculptures.
1478. Pomponio Leto organizes the Academy of Antiquaries on the Quirinale.
1485 First and important excavation in the Quintilii villa near Rome.
About 1491. Editing of the Codex Escurialensis containing sketches of ancient monuments, made in the style of the Ghirlandaio school.
1496. Collection of antiquities of Cardinal Raffaele Riario at the New Chancellery in Rome.
About 1498. Editing of the Giocondiana Sylloge with information on Roman collections of antiquities.
1500. Establishment of the Cesarini Museum in Rome, the first garden-museum freely open to scholars.
1503. Pope Julius II entrusts Bramante with the reconstruction of St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, after having had the Constantinian basilica demolished.
1506. Pope Julius II collects ancient statues in the courtyard of the Belvedere at the Vatican.
1506. Discovery of the Laocoon in Rome.
1508. Arrangement of the collection of Cardinal Giovanni De 'Medici in Palazzo Madama in Rome.
1509. Editing of the work of Francesco Albertini: Opusculum de Mirabilibus novae et veteris urbis Romae.
1510. Formation of the Chigi collection in Rome.
1510-1540. Engraving of ancient Roman monuments by Marco Antonio Raimondi, by Agostino Veneziano, by Marco Dente.
1512 or 1513. Discovery of the Nile in Rome.
1513. Publication of the work of Andrea Fulvio: Antiquaria urbis, Rome.
1515. Raffaello Sanzio of Urbino is appointed Commissioner of Antiquities of Rome.
1517. Ruin of the cochlid column of Theodosius in Constantinople.
1523. Death of Cardinal Domenico Grimani; its rich collection of sculptures passes into the Serenissima.
1527. Publication of the work of Andrea Fulvio Sabino: Antiquitates urbis, Rome.
1530. Discovery of the Idolino in Pesaro.
About 1530. Foundation of the Farnese collection by Cardinal Alessandro Farnese.
1532-1536. Drafting of two sketchbooks of Roman monuments by Martino van Heemskerck.
1535. Drafting of two sketchbooks of Roman monuments by Amico Aspertini.
1535-1538. First discoveries in Villa Adriana with Pirro Ligorio.
1536. Triumphal entry of Charles V into Rome; discovery and isolation of ancient monuments.
1538. Bull of Paul III for the conservation of the ancient monuments of Rome.
1538. The equestrian statue of M. Aurelio is transported from the Lateran to the Piazza del Campidoglio.
1538-1539. Editing of a book of drawings of Roman monuments by Francisco de Hollanda.
1539-1549. The Roman Forum suffered serious damage due to the construction of the Basilica of St. Peter.
1541. Francis I of France had the cast of the Trajan column made.
1544. Discovery in the rotunda of S. Petronilla in Rome of the ark of Mary, daughter of Stilicone, with a huge treasure of precious objects, now missing.
1544. Publication of the work of Bartolomeo Marliano: Urbis Romae Topographia, Rome.
1546-1547. Farnesian excavations in the Baths of Caracalla; discovery of various plastic works, including the Farnese Bull. Beginning of the Farnese Museum in Rome.
1547-1555. Home of the Dutch Stefano Vinaud Pighius in Italy; drafting of the Codex Pighianus.
1547-1565. Farnesian excavations in the Foro Romaono.
1550. Editing of the work of Ulisse Aldrovandi: Ancient statues that can be seen throughout Rome.
1550-1553. Drafting of the Code of Drawings of Roman Monuments in Cambridge.
1550-1572. Cardinal Ippolito d'Este collects ancient sculptures on the Quirinal and Tivoli.
1551-1560. New research in the villa Adriana; general first floor of the villa by Pirro Ligorio.
1553. Discovery of the Chimera in Arezzo.
1556. Publication of the Statues of Rome by U. Aldrovandi in the work of L. Mauro: The antiquities of the city of Rome, Venice.
1557-1559 Journey of the Dutch painter Melchiorre Lorichs to the East.
1558 Publication of the work of Tommaso Fazzello di Sciacca: De rebus siculis decades duae, Palermo.
1559-1566. Transformation of the Baths of Diocletian in Rome into the Certosa and into the church of S. Maria degli Angeli.
1561. Publication of the work of the French Pietro Gilles: Topographia Constantinopoleos.
1561-1565. Drawings of Roman monuments by Giovanni Antonio Dosio.
 

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Archaeological chronology 1407 - 1561
1407 Filippo Brunellesco and Donato Bardi study the ancient buildings of Rome and excavate them.
1424 Ciriaco de 'Pizzicolli of Ancona begins his antiquarian travels in Italy and in the East.
1445-1446 Editing of Flavio Biondo's work: Romae instauratae libri tres.
1447 Dialogue De varietate fortunae by Poggio Bracciolini concerning the topography
of ancient Rome.
1450 Nicolò V gives LB Alberti and B. Rossellino the task of rebuilding the basilica of St. Peter in the Vatican.
1450 Report by Giovanni Rucellai on the jubilee of 1450 with information on Roman topography.
1452 Beschreibung der Stadt Rom by Nicolò Muffel.
1460 Devastation of the Colosseum for the buildings of Pius II.
About 1460. Fra Giocondo begins his archaeological investigations in Rome.
1465 Publication of the work of LB Alberti: De re aedificatoria, Florence.
1466 and following Lorenzo the Magnificent and Pope Paul II collect antiquities.
1471 Pope Sixtus IV begins the Capitoline municipal collection of ancient sculptures.
1478. Pomponio Leto organizes the Academy of Antiquaries on the Quirinale.
1485 First and important excavation in the Quintilii villa near Rome.
About 1491. Editing of the Codex Escurialensis containing sketches of ancient monuments, made in the style of the Ghirlandaio school.
1496. Collection of antiquities of Cardinal Raffaele Riario at the New Chancellery in Rome.
About 1498. Editing of the Giocondiana Sylloge with information on Roman collections of antiquities.
1500. Establishment of the Cesarini Museum in Rome, the first garden-museum freely open to scholars.
1503. Pope Julius II entrusts Bramante with the reconstruction of St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, after having had the Constantinian basilica demolished.
1506. Pope Julius II collects ancient statues in the courtyard of the Belvedere at the Vatican.
1506. Discovery of the Laocoon in Rome.
1508. Arrangement of the collection of Cardinal Giovanni De 'Medici in Palazzo Madama in Rome.
1509. Editing of the work of Francesco Albertini: Opusculum de Mirabilibus novae et veteris urbis Romae.
1510. Formation of the Chigi collection in Rome.
1510-1540. Engraving of ancient Roman monuments by Marco Antonio Raimondi, by Agostino Veneziano, by Marco Dente.
1512 or 1513. Discovery of the Nile in Rome.
1513. Publication of the work of Andrea Fulvio: Antiquaria urbis, Rome.
1515. Raffaello Sanzio of Urbino is appointed Commissioner of Antiquities of Rome.
1517. Ruin of the cochlid column of Theodosius in Constantinople.
1523. Death of Cardinal Domenico Grimani; its rich collection of sculptures passes into the Serenissima.
1527. Publication of the work of Andrea Fulvio Sabino: Antiquitates urbis, Rome.
1530. Discovery of the Idolino in Pesaro.
About 1530. Foundation of the Farnese collection by Cardinal Alessandro Farnese.
1532-1536. Drafting of two sketchbooks of Roman monuments by Martino van Heemskerck.
1535. Drafting of two sketchbooks of Roman monuments by Amico Aspertini.
1535-1538. First discoveries in Villa Adriana with Pirro Ligorio.
1536. Triumphal entry of Charles V into Rome; discovery and isolation of ancient monuments.
1538. Bull of Paul III for the conservation of the ancient monuments of Rome.
1538. The equestrian statue of M. Aurelio is transported from the Lateran to the Piazza del Campidoglio.
1538-1539. Editing of a book of drawings of Roman monuments by Francisco de Hollanda.
1539-1549. The Roman Forum suffered serious damage due to the construction of the Basilica of St. Peter.
1541. Francis I of France had the cast of the Trajan column made.
1544. Discovery in the rotunda of S. Petronilla in Rome of the ark of Mary, daughter of Stilicone, with a huge treasure of precious objects, now missing.
1544. Publication of the work of Bartolomeo Marliano: Urbis Romae Topographia, Rome.
1546-1547. Farnesian excavations in the Baths of Caracalla; discovery of various plastic works, including the Farnese Bull. Beginning of the Farnese Museum in Rome.
1547-1555. Home of the Dutch Stefano Vinaud Pighius in Italy; drafting of the Codex Pighianus.
1547-1565. Farnesian excavations in the Foro Romaono.
1550. Editing of the work of Ulisse Aldrovandi: Ancient statues that can be seen throughout Rome.
1550-1553. Drafting of the Code of Drawings of Roman Monuments in Cambridge.
1550-1572. Cardinal Ippolito d'Este collects ancient sculptures on the Quirinal and Tivoli.
1551-1560. New research in the villa Adriana; general first floor of the villa by Pirro Ligorio.
1553. Discovery of the Chimera in Arezzo.
1556. Publication of the Statues of Rome by U. Aldrovandi in the work of L. Mauro: The antiquities of the city of Rome, Venice.
1557-1559 Journey of the Dutch painter Melchiorre Lorichs to the East.
1558 Publication of the work of Tommaso Fazzello di Sciacca: De rebus siculis decades duae, Palermo.
1559-1566. Transformation of the Baths of Diocletian in Rome into the Certosa and into the church of S. Maria degli Angeli.
1561. Publication of the work of the French Pietro Gilles: Topographia Constantinopoleos.
1561-1565. Drawings of Roman monuments by Giovanni Antonio Dosio.
My God!!! It will require a lifetime to look at them!
 

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What struck me was that strange and unusual line of obelisks and bizarre structures in the middle of the engraving.
Why is there an Egyptian obelisk in Vatican St. Peter’s Square? VERSADOCO
It seems to me a regular video with common informations passed off as particularly incredible. The only interesting part, VERY Interesting I must say, is the involvement of Domenico Fontana with the supposed positioning of the obelisk. Who was Domenico Fontana?

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/79-a-d-no-more-pompeii-got-buried-in-1631.2024/
SH Archive - Pompeiigate Scandal: Chronology Issues
 

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:D Yes I know who he is! I was suggesting you to look at those threads that I've posted following the question... They give you an incredible answer!
 

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Green skin[/ QUOTE]
Green skin becomes a violent death for dying people for sombody, why can SEE.
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The mystery of Rome is buried elsewhere. Until the end of the 18th centuryRoma was Kiev
And the biblical Jerusalem was Kiev. There are a million facts in favor of this. Since the Crusaders passed from France to the Nearest East via Germany. Historians generally have a geographical ... I would say cretinism.
Another example.
Napoleon fought in Italy with the Pontic Company. But Pont is the Black Sea, and the city of Pont on its shores is now Feodosia.
And Ancient Egypt - these were the banks of the river Ra - Volga.
Napoleon also fought there, not in Africa.
And then he formed Greater Eastern France with Masonic lodges.
And then they formed Russia as a colony of France, with falsificated history

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Notice the green skin of all the victims in the picture above. I noticed that green-skinned people are quite common in Italy on tapestries, busts, and paintings from the 1400s. Not before and not after. Well, maybe now we know why they are not depicted later. Perhaps because they were all stabbed to death. The question is where they suddenly appeared in the 1400s.
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Green skin becomes a violent death in dying people for seeing people
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... They give you an incredible answer!
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The mystery of Rome is buried elsewhere. Until the end of the 18th century, Mir-Rome was Kiev.
And also the biblical Jerusalem was Kiev. There are a million facts in support of this. Beginning with the fact that the crusaders went from France to the Middle East through Germany. Historians generally have geographical ... I would say cretinism.
Another example.
Napoleon fought in Italy with the Pontic company. But Pontus is the Black Sea, and the city of Pontus on its shore is now Feodosia.
And Ancient Egypt - these were the banks of the Ra - Volga river.
Napoleon fought there too, not in Africa.
And then there he formed the Great Eastern France, with Masonic lodges.
And then they formed a colony of Russia.View attachment 6570
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Until that falsification many countres and cites changed their places.
Spain was in Caucases.
Hannibal all his life live there.
Greece was Crimea.
Neapol was Simferopol.
Kitay was not China, it was in Russea, the place of Andrey Bogolubsky.
Bible was falsificated.
 

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Until that falsification many countres and cites changed their places.
Spain was in Caucases.
Hannibal all his life live there.
Greece was Crimea.
Neapol was Simferopol.
Kitay was not China, it was in Russea, the place of Andrey Bogolubsky.
Bible was falsificated.
There is a sort of copy paste mechanism inscribed in our history, but I am not yet sure of how it works. I think that Italian Rome has certainly many things to tell though.
 

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Until that falsification many countres and cites changed their places.
Spain was in Caucases.
Hannibal all his life live there.
Greece was Crimea.
Neapol was Simferopol.
Kitay was not China, it was in Russea, the place of Andrey Bogolubsky.
Bible was falsificated.
There is a sort of copy paste mechanism inscribed in our history, but I am not yet sure of how it works. I think that Italian Rome has certainly many things to tell though.
Those images and maps are the maps of Kyiv.
And here is a Roman amphitheater on the slopes of the Dnieper.
Napoleon took everything valuable, and what he could not take, he blew up.
 

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Until that falsification many countres and cites changed their places.
Spain was in Caucases.
Hannibal all his life live there.
Greece was Crimea.
Neapol was Simferopol.
Kitay was not China, it was in Russea, the place of Andrey Bogolubsky.
Bible was falsificated.
There is a sort of copy paste mechanism inscribed in our history, but I am not yet sure of how it works. I think that Italian Rome has certainly many things to tell though.
Those images and maps are the maps of Kyiv.
And here is a Roman amphitheater on the slopes of the Dnieper.
Napoleon took everything valuable, and what he could not take, he blew up.
Please, show us the exact position of the second milestone of the Appian Way in Kyiv according to Piranesi.
 

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Until that falsification many countres and cites changed their places.
Spain was in Caucases.
Hannibal all his life live there.
Greece was Crimea.
Neapol was Simferopol.
Kitay was not China, it was in Russea, the place of Andrey Bogolubsky.
Bible was falsificated.
There is a sort of copy paste mechanism inscribed in our history, but I am not yet sure of how it works. I think that Italian Rome has certainly many things to tell though.
Those images and maps are the maps of Kyiv.
And here is a Roman amphitheater on the slopes of the Dnieper.
Napoleon took everything valuable, and what he could not take, he blew up.
Please, show us the exact position of the second milestone of the Appian Way in Kyiv according to Piranesi.
The Appian Way led to Greece and crossed the Pontic Swamps.
“that during the construction of the road Appius conducted a canal through the Pontic swamps”
The ancient city Pont, also known as Ponticapei, Constantinople, Theodosia, near the ancient Bosporus Strait in the Crimea (not to be confused with the modern Bosphorus). And sea Pont - Black sea.
Real Greece is the Crimea and the shores of Lake Meotia - the Sea of Azov, in the same place was the Bosporus Kingdom and then Byzantium.
Then the ancient tract in that direction passed through Kaniv and Trakhtomyriv. Trakhtomyriv - from the ancient word tract-road, an ancient city, like Kaniv. There was old road and new road.
Along that road were ancient royal sarcophagi, which still existed antil the 19th century, mentioned by pilgrims.
Pilgrims went to Kyiv for thousands of years, from all ends, until the Bolsheviks stopped it.
There are many sayings, for example, "The tongue will bring to Kiev"
This is indeed a very ancient road.
The distance by 2 miles is about three kilometers - depending on where, maybe from Vydubichi.
It would be necessary to walk to see.
There were waves of destruction of antiquities, by the French, the Bolsheviks, the Soviet Union.
Few survived. And yet there is something that has survived.
Most of our ancient monuments have been transported to modern Rome.
I was there. These are familiar faces and bodies and sarcophagi
Julius Caesar went west from Rome, but from modern Rome he would have drowned.

The word Caesar of Ukrainian origin, as well as the word sar, sar-maty, sarcophagus. With the Ukrainian article, cae or tse, as tse-glyna.

The wars of Rome began with the borders of Ukraine.

Pompey fought with Mithridates in the Crimea, etc .

There was close contact between Greece and the Mir-Rome with Colchis-Georgia

The giant Troyan Ramparts stretch from Kiev to Odessa.

Troyan is mentioned in the Word about Igor's regiment as a glorious ancestor. Rome is mentioned there too.
The ancient name was Mir, Rome came later.

The DNA of the Romans who built London is the DNA of the Ukrainians.
There are millions of facts about it.
 
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Until that falsification many countres and cites changed their places.
Spain was in Caucases.
Hannibal all his life live there.
Greece was Crimea.
Neapol was Simferopol.
Kitay was not China, it was in Russea, the place of Andrey Bogolubsky.
Bible was falsificated.
There is a sort of copy paste mechanism inscribed in our history, but I am not yet sure of how it works. I think that Italian Rome has certainly many things to tell though.
Those images and maps are the maps of Kyiv.
And here is a Roman amphitheater on the slopes of the Dnieper.
Napoleon took everything valuable, and what he could not take, he blew up.
Please, show us the exact position of the second milestone of the Appian Way in Kyiv according to Piranesi.
The Appian Way led to Greece and crossed the Pontic Swamps.
“that during the construction of the road Appius conducted a canal through the Pontic swamps”
The ancient city Pont, also known as Ponticapei, Constantinople, Theodosia, near the ancient Bosporus Strait in the Crimea (not to be confused with the modern Bosphorus). And sea Pont - Black sea.
Real Greece is the Crimea and the shores of Lake Meotia - the Sea of Azov, in the same place was the Bosporus Kingdom and then Byzantium.
Then the ancient tract in that direction passed through Kaniv and Trakhtomyriv. Trakhtomyriv - from the ancient word tract-road, an ancient city, like Kaniv. There was old road and new road.
Along that road were ancient royal sarcophagi, which still existed antil the 19th century, mentioned by pilgrims.
Pilgrims went to Kyiv for thousands of years, from all ends, until the Bolsheviks stopped it.
There are many sayings, for example, "The tongue will bring to Kiev"
This is indeed a very ancient road.
The distance by 2 miles is about three kilometers - depending on where, maybe from Vydubichi.
It would be necessary to walk to see.
There were waves of destruction of antiquities, by the French, the Bolsheviks, the Soviet Union.
Few survived. And yet there is something that has survived.
Most of our ancient monuments have been transported to modern Rome.
I was there. These are familiar faces and bodies and sarcophagi
Julius Caesar went west from Rome, but from modern Rome he would have drowned.

The word Caesar of Ukrainian origin, as well as the word sar, sar-maty, sarcophagus. With the Ukrainian article, cae or tse, as tse-glyna.

The wars of Rome began with the borders of Ukraine.

Pompey fought with Mithridates in the Crimea, etc .

There was close contact between Greece and the Mir-Rome with Colchis-Georgia

The giant Troyan Ramparts stretch from Kiev to Odessa.

Troyan is mentioned in the Word about Igor's regiment as a glorious ancestor. Rome is mentioned there too.
The ancient name was Mir, Rome came later.

The DNA of the Romans who built London is the DNA of the Ukrainians.
There are millions of facts about it.
I think there is a bit of truth in there, but let's not go full Fomenko just yet. For example, Jerusalem is not in the Ukraine, when studying the old maps. The medieval Jerusalem is Baalbeck in Lebanon. That's pretty clear. I agree though that Moscow became the third Rome after Constantinople fell.

Also, Piranesi was drawing Rome in Italy as the OP has pretty clearly demonstrated.

If you wish to present your evidence in documented analytical form, I suggest you start a new thread.
 

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Also, Piranesi was drawing Rome in Italy as the OP has pretty clearly demonstrated.
Exactly. Whether you want to shift the Roman events from Italy to another place, it is a fact that an ancient city called Rome is actually in the middle of Italy.

Then I can say that Fomenko has in my opinion clearly shown how many "ancient" monuments (the Christian ones in particular) were probably built only beginning with the 16th century. Less convincing is his speculaton on the Colosseum and other ruins. In my opinion Piranesi shows that we are dealing with an ancient city and I believe many of the Roman events took actually place in Rome (not all of them though probably).

... my OPINION...
Real Greece is the Crimea <...>
What!?
1. Where on the territory of Crimea was Mount Olympus?
2. "Pontic campaign" not "Panticapaeum".
Sorry, Silveryou.
Don't be sorry! You are talking to someone who believes Ancient Greece was in the Arctic and Mount Olympus was the North Pole!!!:ROFLMAO:
 
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Piranesi's Palmi Romani unit of length might be this Palmus Major
palmus majorpalm length
3⁄4 pes​
0.728 ft​
222 mm​
in late times

It's the closest to the scale in his map of Tiber Island above. Using that to scale Piranesi's drawing to a Google Map shot of the present day island, the only features that are useful for reference are the two bridges that connect the island to the mainland. The bridges line up accurately in angular measure, but the scale is still suspect.

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We can see that everything on this island has changed since Piranesi's time. Some of the walls of the old buildings still line up with some of the new features. The upstream end of the island (the 'stern of the ship') has been swept away, while the downstream end (the 'bow' of the ship) has been added on to. It is more streamlined now than it used to be. The river has changed its course. All of these details are consistent with a major flood, or a series of lesser floods. The two coffer dams were probably added to control the water level upstream to throttle the water flowing past the island, to stop the river from chewing up poor old Tiber Island any further.

Technical Note for Silveryou and anyone else. This picture was made in GIMP, a free program with Photoshop-like features. I used Google Maps to zero in on the area of interest, then adjusted the picture by zooming and translating in order to frame the area around the Piranesi drawing. Google has a Measure tool, its box is shown in the image. I picked the points that I thought represented the riverside bridge piers on either side of the island to add the measurement (the167.86 meters), hoping this would be useful in the scaling comparison. I compared it later on with the Piranesi scale, hoping to use it to figure out what units he was using- that didn't work out too well.

The screen shot was imported into GIMP by pasting it into the first layer of the file, and select-cropped using Image...Crop to Selection to remove irrelevant material on its sides. This gives us a modern reference for the old map, presumably taken from the zenith (90 degrees overhead), which matches the Piranesi POV. The resolution is limited by the size of the computer screen used to take the screen shot, a topic that will come up later on in a more ambitious project.

The Piranesi map was then pasted into a second Layer on top of the first. It was smaller than the Google map, so I enlarged it using Scale...Layer (Not Scale...Image). So now there is a lower-resolution image sitting on top of a higher-resolution image, partly covering it up. It's also not to any precise scale at this point. Reducing its Opacity (increasing the Transparency) lets the underlying image show though, which is needed for the rest of the process. I then used Rotate...Layer to rotate the Piranesi drawing around to roughly match up with the North-South orientation of the Google map.

Now a decision has to be made as to which features on the two images are to be equated with each other, under the assumption that both images are accurate representations. It turned out, for this particular case, that the angle the two bridges make with each other is the most reliable for orientation- Piranesi and Google agree here to within the pixel resolution of the images. I was able to orient the drawing to the Google map to within about 1/10th of a degree, by repeatedly scaling, rotating, zooming, and translating to bring the two sets of bridge representations together.

It was the scaling that turned out to be most problematic, as was expected. I took a pot-shot at locating the bridge piers in the Google map expecting that a more accurate measurement can be taken later. On the Piranesi map, the black rectangles are presumably the cross-sections of the piers, and are probably accurate, judging by the man's other works. Then I found the Roman Measurement page on Infogalactic and used that number (0.728 feet per Palmi) for the scale.

Since two lines at an angle meet at a single intersection point, that point became the implied origin for rotating about, and then for aligning the two images in translation. So the overlay is fairly accurate in POV-alignment, rotation, and in translation. It's less accurate in scaling; I think the Piranesi drawing is slightly too large.

I played around a bit with a couple filters to try to make the image easier to see, then settled for Layer...Darken for now.
 
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