Cosmology and ancient myths

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A good starting point when thinking about cosmology is the nordic mythology of Midgard (middle earth), to understand our position in the cosmos, and remember what humans once knew. Heliocentrism is the antithesis to middle earth, and takes away the meaning of our life.

Tolkien drew not only from germanic-nordic mythology, but also from Brother's Grimm fairy tailes, and the tales offer a meaning to our existence as well.

If we hope to live not just from moment to moment, but in true consciousness of our existence, then our greatest need and most difficult achievement is to find meaning in our lives. It is well known how many have lost the will to live, and have stopped trying, because such meaning has evaded them. An understanding of the meaning of one's life is not suddenly acquired at a particular age, not even when one has reached chronological maturity. On the contrary, gaining a secure understanding of what the meaning of one's life may or ought to be -this is what constitutes having attained psychological maturity. And this achievement is the end result of a long development: at each age we seek, and must be able to find, some modicum of meaning congruent with how our minds and understanding have already developed. Contrary to the ancient myth, wisdom does not burst forth fully developed like Athena out of Zeus's head; it is built up, small step by small step, from most irrational beginnings. Source

Focusing on the mere shape of our realm would be fruitful if every participant of the discussion had honest intentions with the desire to learn and if we had the resources to conduct more research on the empirical level, but this is not the case usually, so it is a bit pointless to discuss this. Taking heliocentrism and esotericism out of the equation leaves us with not many possibilities - it boils down to flat-earth vs. concave earth, and only one of those concepts has some roots in the ancient world (think about the world egg myth) or the quote in the bible: "there were giants in the earth in those days"). Even though I think the concave-earth model offers the most elegant way for 'geocentrism' to actually work in a mathematical way, there are other ways to come closer to a more meaningful understanding of our world, when looking at thins through the lense of mythology.

Either way, whatever our ancestors knew about the shape of our earth, they new that earth was the center of existence, and this was the foundation of everything they did. Taking away this certainty and replacing it with the view that we are a meaningless part within a cold and endless universe essentially broke our morals and left us disrooted and alienated.

So the first step back is to re-connect with this old view of the world, and this offers the opportunity to see life in a whole new way. While many people think realizing our nothingness compared to the cosmos is liberating, this is just a temporary feeling to lessen the burden of life, but does not take it away, to the contrary.

Tolkien got inspired to write about Middle Earth after his first experience with war, and his entire work was based upon the changes that WW1 brought about, destroying the connection to the old world, and bringing about a cold and technological world without regard for the mysterious and deeper aspects of life. He rescued the memories of the germanic-nordic myths, and most of his work is a 1:1 translation from the old myths, so Tolkien's Middle Earth can be considered as a modern version of our ancestor's world. His purpose was to be a bridge between the pre- and post-war period, to bring over the nordic and germanic legends and memories, so that those who seek will still have the opportunity to find meaning. The wastelands in Middle Earth (Mordor, Isengard, and the swamps) are similar to the Nothing that Michael Ende writes about, a metaphor for the 20th Century, where evil gained control of the world and began to turn large amounts of the once thriving old world into depressing places.

Diving into the Middle Earth universe may help answer the question of the shape of our earth, not in an abstract mathematical, but intuitive way. Then, at one point in our journey, we will remember again, and re-connect with our Ancestors, to close the circle.

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.

J. R. R. Tolkien​
 

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I recently reread the Tolkien series and it was a great pleasure. A timeless and wonderful story(s) that show the positive aspects of beings who are cast against darkly evil forces of great power and prevail. We seem to be in a dark age ourselves where the powers of Mordor grow exponentially at present. The legacies of our past forefathers are being destroyed in front of our eyes and a beast system is being installed at Warp Speed. It is a spiritual war against us and humanity itself. We need these great stories and values to buoy us against the waves of subversion.
 

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Focusing on the mere shape of our realm would be fruitful if every participant of the discussion had honest intentionts with the desire to learn and if we had the resources to conduct more research on the empirical level,
I think this statement should apply to every subject of history, archeology, anthropology, linguistics, ethnology, etc. which are discussed in this forum, the construction of our realm being near the top of the list.

this is not the case usually, so it is a bit pointless to discuss this
I tend to lean the other way, fix the problem so it becomes no longer pointless. I think its natural for man to contemplate what he is, where he is, where he came from, where he is going and what his purpose is. These questions are at the core of our being and all inquiries into knowledge lead back to try and answer these questions with the hoped outcome being the acquiring of wisdom.

I see the problem being that people tend to hold beliefs based on religious, ethnic, nationalistic, cultural, scientific, materialistic and intellectual tendencies, not realizing they are bound by these in considering anything not fitting into any of those limitations. There is only one truth. And it shall set us free. If we can find it, or I should say when we find it. :)
 

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Tolkien 'had a 20 year engagement with an imaginal realm, and produced boxes upon boxes upon boxes of manuscript. Thousands of pages of manuscripts documenting his encounter with the imaginal. He saw the imaginal as a given thing. As a reality, as an independent truth. He did not feel that he was inventing anything. He repeats this again and again in his letters, in his private conversations, that his experience of the imaginal was an experience of a reality—a truth.

Around the time (of World War One), Tolkien began having a sense of a deeper reality that was bidding him to explore it. He began having words coming to him. He called them “ghost words.” He would hear Elven words. Words in a language that he had not ever heard before. That no human had heard before. The words would come not just with sounds, but they would come with meaning. He began keeping records of these Elven words, trying to explore that vocabulary. The words didn’t just come. With the words there came stories. The Elven languages came complete with a mythology.

Then in 1916, Tolkien goes to the Battle of the Somme which was perhaps the most horrendous sacrifice of World War I. A half million men died in six months at the Battle of the Somme. Twenty thousand British soldiers died on the first day of battle—first day of July in 1916 alone. Amongst the men who died at the Somme were two of Tolkien’s three best friends. He was there for the entire battle.

What was (Tolkien's) cosmology? Where did that come from? People have read The Lord of the Rings and it’s like—is there a cosmology in The Lord of the Rings? Or in The Hobbit—is there a cosmology, is there cosmological vision? You start talking about things like that to people who know something about Tolkien, who have read some of his works and it’s like—what the hell is that about?

The point is: the writings that Tolkien produced are unknown. The things he wrote around the time of the First World War—his initial Silmarillion shall we say—these initial stories are not well known. There are a great number of things that Tolkien wrote that are yet unpublished but, material related to his visions, to his Elven stories…

Tolkien’s Silmarillion filled probably two or three file cabinets. The publisher, after Tolkien’s death, he had eight feet of stacked boxes that included his manuscripts of what was The Silmarillion.

Tolkien went through (an) initial series of visions. There were maybe three or four crucial myths that came to him—crucial stories. Stories that related to the origin of human consciousness, and to the origin of Elven consciousness.

In 1919, after these initial three or four myths had come to him, he received a cosmogonic myth—as he calls it. A story of creation. A story that starts before the world, and tells the story of world creation. That’s relatively unusual, and these are the sorts of things that are the foundations of religions actually. Cosmogonic myths—how Gods form worlds, how God powers interact with human powers—are, for the most part, foundational stories of religions. Tolkien received just such a cosmogonic myth in The Ainulindalë.

Was Tolkien an insider into the occult and secret societies? It isn’t clear but there sure seem to be alot of hints and parallels in his work to the flat earth and the book of Genesis and other occult themes.
 
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Fairy tales and myths? We were taught that these were amusing stories to teach life lessons to children.
Or were they real events which the Control System warped for their own twisted purposes?
Jack and the Beanstalk, hmm. How could a simple folk have imagined such a wild tale?
 

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It is very interesting that in Middle Earth none of the buildings had 90 degree angles (as the Masons call them - "Angles of Sorrow"!

There are no right angles in nature. Notice with all the star forts - there are no right angles of sorrow. We live in an energetic world, and even our houses are designed to keep us from being spiritual.
 

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I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
 

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I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
 

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I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.
ALL of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
 

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I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
 
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It is very telling when Asgard is presented as a flat plane in the MCU movies and yet in Dr. Strange, the earth is shown as a globe by a bunch of gnostic hermits. That never made any sense to me.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnNa5KwkJo

Very telling indeed.
Lol, the Pope's grin when Leonardo talks about the flat earth.

I think it took the elite quite some time to understand that the flat earth morphed into a concave earth during the last 500 years. Or they simply like to dwell in memories.

The earth was flat in medieval times, but is concave now, according to Wild Heretic: The earth was flat in medieval times - The Wild Heretic

It's pretty convincing. Earth was created as a flat plane within the world egg, and later the designers moved the earth to the sides of the egg, essentially creating a concave earth. Of course this changed the sky, and the sun, etc., and people became obsessed with astrology.

Maybe the old flat earth had a world tree in the middle (north pole), and the tree connected this plane with the higher (upper) plane and the lower (underworld) plane.

This is no longer case, I think nowadays the connections between Midgard and the other two worlds are below the ice of north and south pole.

The firmament seems to be a semi-solid bio-membrane made out of silica, when some parts of it fall down to earth they become solid, pure glass.
 

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I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
You have given me much to think about and I will do so as I go about my day here in Ottawa,
Canada where it is now 11:30 am.
From a preliminary reading you tell me, from what you have written, that you have plenty of knowledge and experience of what is versus what, in your opinion and mine, rather should be.
Please allow me to point out something as I have before elsewhere: In spite of the misuse of the knowledge in the bible, the book of many books, used by ALL religions as they see fit though not necessarily as they should, it is patently obvious, when comparing to the world at large, that the book's TRUTH is true but it has been clouded by lies and those lies have been substantiated, presumptuously, by other lies. Nonetheless, the TRUTH is still in there. Amazing! Truth defines itself in Jeremiah 23:26, 27 as the 'Laws and the Commandments'. Who ever pointed that out to you before now? I only do so because it was pointed out to me 30yrs ago and it has since proven itself. I read it many times but never saw it. Jeremiah is one of the least quoted but most vocal of all of the prophets. He was judicious enough to stay alive as long as he could.
Just one of the biblical laws, which you never hear from Church, State, or, heaven forbid, Banks and Corporations is: 'don't lend money at interest to your brother'. Are all humans not our brother, or sister, contextually? Even if not family or familiar. Even if, by fratricide, etc., they are technically our enemy, still, they are your brother/sister within your species. That 'The love of money is the root of all evil' suggests this also to be the sin above all sins, though; gossip is considered worse than murder. Does that make usury worse than murder??? It appears so to me by this definition in the original source book.

Which, as an aside, you have to love the Oxford English Dictionary. If you look up the word, hold on while I go look it up; 'goodbye': we are told it is a contraction of 'God be with you'. But, if we look up 'Good' we do not have the definition: 'a derivative, or extension, of GOD or god'. We do have a vast variety of similar words containing good, which goes on for 10, yes ten, pages, with none saying explicitly or implicitly, that 'Good' comes from 'God'. I think it is the Shorter Oxford, or the Condensed Oxford, which says that "we know 'good did not come from God, but, we don't actually know where it does come from". this is THE English Dictionary.
Never mind. It was a joke. It still is a joke. When I find my condensed Oxford I will remember to put it here.
Polish of 850 or 1350, or 350 if that is what it really was, is, no doubt, a far cry from Polish of 2021. Same goes for Lithuania, et al, to some extent, as they have all been infected, through vaccination, by Latin at least if not Greek also. Heterogeneous anyone? Like Mercury and Hermes in bed together just talking. Just talking a new talk? Look up the character of Mercury and you see the character of our entire Roman system. (Hint: usury upon usury upon usury, etc. Making simple compound interest look like nothing.) I could quote it but more fun if you do. Hermes is a little bit 'different', if you know what I mean, though; not much.

These 'laws', in the bible, appear as guideposts, innocuous to most, but noticeable nonetheless as our whole world is now in extreme debt, quintillions:) n. In the English notation, the fifth power of a million, a unit followed by thirty ciphers; in the French notation, used generally in the United States, the sixth power of one thousand, a unit followed by eighteen ciphers.) (I see quintillion coming after trillion and quadrillion. But, nobody agrees with me about Dectillions.) at least, and most of it held to our charge and not to the charge of those who absconded (hid it in plain sight) with it. Those who now want us to pay for it.
It was this reason that Yahshua (incorrectly called Jesus) had for turning over the tables in the temple, which belonged to the money changers, the Bankers, who shared their 'winnings' with the Government, and the Church of Rome and the Corporations. It was for that reason, no other, that he was falsely imprisoned and executed.
Just as was done to Khadaffi and so many others before and since. Who owns Libya now? They were repossessed by the Banks, in concert with the Church of Rome, the armaments industry, and now China who wants possession of that largest of underground reservoirs of fresh water on the planet.
It is fairly easy to see, when pointed out, that the TRUTH in the bible is clear but we don't see it because of this fog which is NOT self induced but imposed from the outside before we even were conscious (at seven yrs old).
Yahshua reiterates, in an offhand and reversed way, 'Love your brother as yourself'. Who does that? How can we when they murdered our mother, our father, our brother or our sister?
Great question!
However, if we would love our self how can we except in loving another?

Never mind heliocentric, never mind gynocentric, or geocentric, though they would like us to be so either, or, how about just eccentric?
I am going to go and be ex kentron for awhile. Or, ex centricus if you like.
Out of this great vessel, we are now being heated in, we shall be poured into another vessel, a centrifuge, to be spun around at great speeds, until something purified and rare comes out.

Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!'
"Let me explain to you how the world works"

Those are dangerous words for a reply. I advise caution.
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I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
You have given me much to think about and I will do so as I go about my day here in Ottawa,
Canada where it is now 11:30 am.
From a preliminary reading you tell me, from what you have written, that you have plenty of knowledge and experience of what is versus what, in your opinion and mine, rather should be.
Please allow me to point out something as I have before elsewhere: In spite of the misuse of the knowledge in the bible, the book of many books, used by ALL religions as they see fit though not necessarily as they should, it is patently obvious, when comparing to the world at large, that the book's TRUTH is true but it has been clouded by lies and those lies have been substantiated, presumptuously, by other lies. Nonetheless, the TRUTH is still in there. Amazing! Truth defines itself in Jeremiah 23:26, 27 as the 'Laws and the Commandments'. Who ever pointed that out to you before now? I only do so because it was pointed out to me 30yrs ago and it has since proven itself. I read it many times but never saw it. Jeremiah is one of the least quoted but most vocal of all of the prophets. He was judicious enough to stay alive as long as he could.
Just one of the biblical laws, which you never hear from Church, State, or, heaven forbid, Banks and Corporations is: 'don't lend money at interest to your brother'. Are all humans not our brother, or sister, contextually? Even if not family or familiar. Even if, by fratricide, etc., they are technically our enemy, still, they are your brother/sister within your species. That 'The love of money is the root of all evil' suggests this also to be the sin above all sins, though; gossip is considered worse than murder. Does that make usury worse than murder??? It appears so to me by this definition in the original source book.

Which, as an aside, you have to love the Oxford English Dictionary. If you look up the word, hold on while I go look it up; 'goodbye': we are told it is a contraction of 'God be with you'. But, if we look up 'Good' we do not have the definition: 'a derivative, or extension, of GOD or god'. We do have a vast variety of similar words containing good, which goes on for 10, yes ten, pages, with none saying explicitly or implicitly, that 'Good' comes from 'God'. I think it is the Shorter Oxford, or the Condensed Oxford, which says that "we know 'good did not come from God, but, we don't actually know where it does come from". this is THE English Dictionary.
Never mind. It was a joke. It still is a joke. When I find my condensed Oxford I will remember to put it here.
Polish of 850 or 1350, or 350 if that is what it really was, is, no doubt, a far cry from Polish of 2021. Same goes for Lithuania, et al, to some extent, as they have all been infected, through vaccination, by Latin at least if not Greek also. Heterogeneous anyone? Like Mercury and Hermes in bed together just talking. Just talking a new talk? Look up the character of Mercury and you see the character of our entire Roman system. (Hint: usury upon usury upon usury, etc. Making simple compound interest look like nothing.) I could quote it but more fun if you do. Hermes is a little bit 'different', if you know what I mean, though; not much.

These 'laws', in the bible, appear as guideposts, innocuous to most, but noticeable nonetheless as our whole world is now in extreme debt, quintillions:) n. In the English notation, the fifth power of a million, a unit followed by thirty ciphers; in the French notation, used generally in the United States, the sixth power of one thousand, a unit followed by eighteen ciphers.) (I see quintillion coming after trillion and quadrillion. But, nobody agrees with me about Dectillions.) at least, and most of it held to our charge and not to the charge of those who absconded (hid it in plain sight) with it. Those who now want us to pay for it.
It was this reason that Yahshua (incorrectly called Jesus) had for turning over the tables in the temple, which belonged to the money changers, the Bankers, who shared their 'winnings' with the Government, and the Church of Rome and the Corporations. It was for that reason, no other, that he was falsely imprisoned and executed.
Just as was done to Khadaffi and so many others before and since. Who owns Libya now? They were repossessed by the Banks, in concert with the Church of Rome, the armaments industry, and now China who wants possession of that largest of underground reservoirs of fresh water on the planet.
It is fairly easy to see, when pointed out, that the TRUTH in the bible is clear but we don't see it because of this fog which is NOT self induced but imposed from the outside before we even were conscious (at seven yrs old).
Yahshua reiterates, in an offhand and reversed way, 'Love your brother as yourself'. Who does that? How can we when they murdered our mother, our father, our brother or our sister?
Great question!
However, if we would love our self how can we except in loving another?

Never mind heliocentric, never mind gynocentric, or geocentric, though they would like us to be so either, or, how about just eccentric?
I am going to go and be ex kentron for awhile. Or, ex centricus if you like.
Out of this great vessel, we are now being heated in, we shall be poured into another vessel, a centrifuge, to be spun around at great speeds, until something purified and rare comes out.

Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!'
"Let me explain to you how the world works"

Those are dangerous words for a reply. I advise caution.
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your comments, and I have to take them at face value, are life affirming

yes Yeshua showed us the way

yes we fall short, get up and encourage one another toward good works

yes in order to move forward in a life affirming manner we must, move together in a life affirming manner - alluding to your comment regarding the animal kingdom

yes, USURY is a perversion of natural law

so . . . 33 years of VERY cold weather
This information should be shared please share the links. So many great people here, may we and our descendants survive
I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
You have given me much to think about and I will do so as I go about my day here in Ottawa,
Canada where it is now 11:30 am.
From a preliminary reading you tell me, from what you have written, that you have plenty of knowledge and experience of what is versus what, in your opinion and mine, rather should be.
Please allow me to point out something as I have before elsewhere: In spite of the misuse of the knowledge in the bible, the book of many books, used by ALL religions as they see fit though not necessarily as they should, it is patently obvious, when comparing to the world at large, that the book's TRUTH is true but it has been clouded by lies and those lies have been substantiated, presumptuously, by other lies. Nonetheless, the TRUTH is still in there. Amazing! Truth defines itself in Jeremiah 23:26, 27 as the 'Laws and the Commandments'. Who ever pointed that out to you before now? I only do so because it was pointed out to me 30yrs ago and it has since proven itself. I read it many times but never saw it. Jeremiah is one of the least quoted but most vocal of all of the prophets. He was judicious enough to stay alive as long as he could.
Just one of the biblical laws, which you never hear from Church, State, or, heaven forbid, Banks and Corporations is: 'don't lend money at interest to your brother'. Are all humans not our brother, or sister, contextually? Even if not family or familiar. Even if, by fratricide, etc., they are technically our enemy, still, they are your brother/sister within your species. That 'The love of money is the root of all evil' suggests this also to be the sin above all sins, though; gossip is considered worse than murder. Does that make usury worse than murder??? It appears so to me by this definition in the original source book.

Which, as an aside, you have to love the Oxford English Dictionary. If you look up the word, hold on while I go look it up; 'goodbye': we are told it is a contraction of 'God be with you'. But, if we look up 'Good' we do not have the definition: 'a derivative, or extension, of GOD or god'. We do have a vast variety of similar words containing good, which goes on for 10, yes ten, pages, with none saying explicitly or implicitly, that 'Good' comes from 'God'. I think it is the Shorter Oxford, or the Condensed Oxford, which says that "we know 'good did not come from God, but, we don't actually know where it does come from". this is THE English Dictionary.
Never mind. It was a joke. It still is a joke. When I find my condensed Oxford I will remember to put it here.
Polish of 850 or 1350, or 350 if that is what it really was, is, no doubt, a far cry from Polish of 2021. Same goes for Lithuania, et al, to some extent, as they have all been infected, through vaccination, by Latin at least if not Greek also. Heterogeneous anyone? Like Mercury and Hermes in bed together just talking. Just talking a new talk? Look up the character of Mercury and you see the character of our entire Roman system. (Hint: usury upon usury upon usury, etc. Making simple compound interest look like nothing.) I could quote it but more fun if you do. Hermes is a little bit 'different', if you know what I mean, though; not much.

These 'laws', in the bible, appear as guideposts, innocuous to most, but noticeable nonetheless as our whole world is now in extreme debt, quintillions:) n. In the English notation, the fifth power of a million, a unit followed by thirty ciphers; in the French notation, used generally in the United States, the sixth power of one thousand, a unit followed by eighteen ciphers.) (I see quintillion coming after trillion and quadrillion. But, nobody agrees with me about Dectillions.) at least, and most of it held to our charge and not to the charge of those who absconded (hid it in plain sight) with it. Those who now want us to pay for it.
It was this reason that Yahshua (incorrectly called Jesus) had for turning over the tables in the temple, which belonged to the money changers, the Bankers, who shared their 'winnings' with the Government, and the Church of Rome and the Corporations. It was for that reason, no other, that he was falsely imprisoned and executed.
Just as was done to Khadaffi and so many others before and since. Who owns Libya now? They were repossessed by the Banks, in concert with the Church of Rome, the armaments industry, and now China who wants possession of that largest of underground reservoirs of fresh water on the planet.
It is fairly easy to see, when pointed out, that the TRUTH in the bible is clear but we don't see it because of this fog which is NOT self induced but imposed from the outside before we even were conscious (at seven yrs old).
Yahshua reiterates, in an offhand and reversed way, 'Love your brother as yourself'. Who does that? How can we when they murdered our mother, our father, our brother or our sister?
Great question!
However, if we would love our self how can we except in loving another?

Never mind heliocentric, never mind gynocentric, or geocentric, though they would like us to be so either, or, how about just eccentric?
I am going to go and be ex kentron for awhile. Or, ex centricus if you like.
Out of this great vessel, we are now being heated in, we shall be poured into another vessel, a centrifuge, to be spun around at great speeds, until something purified and rare comes out.

Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!'
"Let me explain to you how the world works"

Those are dangerous words for a reply. I advise caution.
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SO, WINTER IS COMING

For everyone here and I shall quote:

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Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!' "



Read the above. and now TOBAYAHNAH please cite your sources because this may help people PRIORITIZE

Thank you
 
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The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet.
Many would argue that the British royals are crypto-Jews, and the Church of England and City of London financial industry is run by Jews. The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby is Ashkenazi, and it goes without saying that all the major banks and financial institutions of the City of London are disproportionately full of Jews in senior positions.

As for the rest of your post, it strikes me as long winded New Agey type stuff essentially advocating that ethnic Europeans should just accept their replacement by Africans and Muslims, how very Ashkenazi of you. How do you feel about Israel, the Jewish ethno-state?
 

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I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
You have given me much to think about and I will do so as I go about my day here in Ottawa,
Canada where it is now 11:30 am.
From a preliminary reading you tell me, from what you have written, that you have plenty of knowledge and experience of what is versus what, in your opinion and mine, rather should be.
Please allow me to point out something as I have before elsewhere: In spite of the misuse of the knowledge in the bible, the book of many books, used by ALL religions as they see fit though not necessarily as they should, it is patently obvious, when comparing to the world at large, that the book's TRUTH is true but it has been clouded by lies and those lies have been substantiated, presumptuously, by other lies. Nonetheless, the TRUTH is still in there. Amazing! Truth defines itself in Jeremiah 23:26, 27 as the 'Laws and the Commandments'. Who ever pointed that out to you before now? I only do so because it was pointed out to me 30yrs ago and it has since proven itself. I read it many times but never saw it. Jeremiah is one of the least quoted but most vocal of all of the prophets. He was judicious enough to stay alive as long as he could.
Just one of the biblical laws, which you never hear from Church, State, or, heaven forbid, Banks and Corporations is: 'don't lend money at interest to your brother'. Are all humans not our brother, or sister, contextually? Even if not family or familiar. Even if, by fratricide, etc., they are technically our enemy, still, they are your brother/sister within your species. That 'The love of money is the root of all evil' suggests this also to be the sin above all sins, though; gossip is considered worse than murder. Does that make usury worse than murder??? It appears so to me by this definition in the original source book.

Which, as an aside, you have to love the Oxford English Dictionary. If you look up the word, hold on while I go look it up; 'goodbye': we are told it is a contraction of 'God be with you'. But, if we look up 'Good' we do not have the definition: 'a derivative, or extension, of GOD or god'. We do have a vast variety of similar words containing good, which goes on for 10, yes ten, pages, with none saying explicitly or implicitly, that 'Good' comes from 'God'. I think it is the Shorter Oxford, or the Condensed Oxford, which says that "we know 'good did not come from God, but, we don't actually know where it does come from". this is THE English Dictionary.
Never mind. It was a joke. It still is a joke. When I find my condensed Oxford I will remember to put it here.
Polish of 850 or 1350, or 350 if that is what it really was, is, no doubt, a far cry from Polish of 2021. Same goes for Lithuania, et al, to some extent, as they have all been infected, through vaccination, by Latin at least if not Greek also. Heterogeneous anyone? Like Mercury and Hermes in bed together just talking. Just talking a new talk? Look up the character of Mercury and you see the character of our entire Roman system. (Hint: usury upon usury upon usury, etc. Making simple compound interest look like nothing.) I could quote it but more fun if you do. Hermes is a little bit 'different', if you know what I mean, though; not much.

These 'laws', in the bible, appear as guideposts, innocuous to most, but noticeable nonetheless as our whole world is now in extreme debt, quintillions:) n. In the English notation, the fifth power of a million, a unit followed by thirty ciphers; in the French notation, used generally in the United States, the sixth power of one thousand, a unit followed by eighteen ciphers.) (I see quintillion coming after trillion and quadrillion. But, nobody agrees with me about Dectillions.) at least, and most of it held to our charge and not to the charge of those who absconded (hid it in plain sight) with it. Those who now want us to pay for it.
It was this reason that Yahshua (incorrectly called Jesus) had for turning over the tables in the temple, which belonged to the money changers, the Bankers, who shared their 'winnings' with the Government, and the Church of Rome and the Corporations. It was for that reason, no other, that he was falsely imprisoned and executed.
Just as was done to Khadaffi and so many others before and since. Who owns Libya now? They were repossessed by the Banks, in concert with the Church of Rome, the armaments industry, and now China who wants possession of that largest of underground reservoirs of fresh water on the planet.
It is fairly easy to see, when pointed out, that the TRUTH in the bible is clear but we don't see it because of this fog which is NOT self induced but imposed from the outside before we even were conscious (at seven yrs old).
Yahshua reiterates, in an offhand and reversed way, 'Love your brother as yourself'. Who does that? How can we when they murdered our mother, our father, our brother or our sister?
Great question!
However, if we would love our self how can we except in loving another?

Never mind heliocentric, never mind gynocentric, or geocentric, though they would like us to be so either, or, how about just eccentric?
I am going to go and be ex kentron for awhile. Or, ex centricus if you like.
Out of this great vessel, we are now being heated in, we shall be poured into another vessel, a centrifuge, to be spun around at great speeds, until something purified and rare comes out.

Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!'
"Let me explain to you how the world works"

Those are dangerous words for a reply. I advise caution.
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TOBYAHNAH

your comments, and I have to take them at face value, are life affirming

yes Yeshua showed us the way

yes we fall short, get up and encourage one another toward good works

yes in order to move forward in a life affirming manner we must, move together in a life affirming manner - alluding to your comment regarding the animal kingdom

yes, USURY is a perversion of natural law

so . . . 33 years of VERY cold weather
This information should be shared please share the links. So many great people here, may we and our descendants survive
I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
You have given me much to think about and I will do so as I go about my day here in Ottawa,
Canada where it is now 11:30 am.
From a preliminary reading you tell me, from what you have written, that you have plenty of knowledge and experience of what is versus what, in your opinion and mine, rather should be.
Please allow me to point out something as I have before elsewhere: In spite of the misuse of the knowledge in the bible, the book of many books, used by ALL religions as they see fit though not necessarily as they should, it is patently obvious, when comparing to the world at large, that the book's TRUTH is true but it has been clouded by lies and those lies have been substantiated, presumptuously, by other lies. Nonetheless, the TRUTH is still in there. Amazing! Truth defines itself in Jeremiah 23:26, 27 as the 'Laws and the Commandments'. Who ever pointed that out to you before now? I only do so because it was pointed out to me 30yrs ago and it has since proven itself. I read it many times but never saw it. Jeremiah is one of the least quoted but most vocal of all of the prophets. He was judicious enough to stay alive as long as he could.
Just one of the biblical laws, which you never hear from Church, State, or, heaven forbid, Banks and Corporations is: 'don't lend money at interest to your brother'. Are all humans not our brother, or sister, contextually? Even if not family or familiar. Even if, by fratricide, etc., they are technically our enemy, still, they are your brother/sister within your species. That 'The love of money is the root of all evil' suggests this also to be the sin above all sins, though; gossip is considered worse than murder. Does that make usury worse than murder??? It appears so to me by this definition in the original source book.

Which, as an aside, you have to love the Oxford English Dictionary. If you look up the word, hold on while I go look it up; 'goodbye': we are told it is a contraction of 'God be with you'. But, if we look up 'Good' we do not have the definition: 'a derivative, or extension, of GOD or god'. We do have a vast variety of similar words containing good, which goes on for 10, yes ten, pages, with none saying explicitly or implicitly, that 'Good' comes from 'God'. I think it is the Shorter Oxford, or the Condensed Oxford, which says that "we know 'good did not come from God, but, we don't actually know where it does come from". this is THE English Dictionary.
Never mind. It was a joke. It still is a joke. When I find my condensed Oxford I will remember to put it here.
Polish of 850 or 1350, or 350 if that is what it really was, is, no doubt, a far cry from Polish of 2021. Same goes for Lithuania, et al, to some extent, as they have all been infected, through vaccination, by Latin at least if not Greek also. Heterogeneous anyone? Like Mercury and Hermes in bed together just talking. Just talking a new talk? Look up the character of Mercury and you see the character of our entire Roman system. (Hint: usury upon usury upon usury, etc. Making simple compound interest look like nothing.) I could quote it but more fun if you do. Hermes is a little bit 'different', if you know what I mean, though; not much.

These 'laws', in the bible, appear as guideposts, innocuous to most, but noticeable nonetheless as our whole world is now in extreme debt, quintillions:) n. In the English notation, the fifth power of a million, a unit followed by thirty ciphers; in the French notation, used generally in the United States, the sixth power of one thousand, a unit followed by eighteen ciphers.) (I see quintillion coming after trillion and quadrillion. But, nobody agrees with me about Dectillions.) at least, and most of it held to our charge and not to the charge of those who absconded (hid it in plain sight) with it. Those who now want us to pay for it.
It was this reason that Yahshua (incorrectly called Jesus) had for turning over the tables in the temple, which belonged to the money changers, the Bankers, who shared their 'winnings' with the Government, and the Church of Rome and the Corporations. It was for that reason, no other, that he was falsely imprisoned and executed.
Just as was done to Khadaffi and so many others before and since. Who owns Libya now? They were repossessed by the Banks, in concert with the Church of Rome, the armaments industry, and now China who wants possession of that largest of underground reservoirs of fresh water on the planet.
It is fairly easy to see, when pointed out, that the TRUTH in the bible is clear but we don't see it because of this fog which is NOT self induced but imposed from the outside before we even were conscious (at seven yrs old).
Yahshua reiterates, in an offhand and reversed way, 'Love your brother as yourself'. Who does that? How can we when they murdered our mother, our father, our brother or our sister?
Great question!
However, if we would love our self how can we except in loving another?

Never mind heliocentric, never mind gynocentric, or geocentric, though they would like us to be so either, or, how about just eccentric?
I am going to go and be ex kentron for awhile. Or, ex centricus if you like.
Out of this great vessel, we are now being heated in, we shall be poured into another vessel, a centrifuge, to be spun around at great speeds, until something purified and rare comes out.

Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!'
"Let me explain to you how the world works"

Those are dangerous words for a reply. I advise caution.
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For everyone here and I shall quote:

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Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!' "



Read the above. and now TOBAYAHNAH please cite your sources because this may help people PRIORITIZE

Thank you
Your first source of current news and events, and confirmation thereof, should be your own observations or references. Especially by going outside and breathing deeply, feeling the vibes, talking to the birds. Japan had 3 days with 6 feet of snow in one week. China, most of Asia, Russia and Tartaryah actually, is/are breaking all historical cold records, as well as flood records, and stocking up on all of the food they can find from a country stupid enough to sell it to them. Russia is increasing export taxes on wheat to subsidize their own consumption.
California is in the midst of another atmospheric river which will eclipse that of 1862 and the submersion of Sacramento. Mud Flood anyone? etc., etc.,.
Go to sources, every day, who report these matters. Those, I just quoted, are real, current, news examples. Did you hear that on CBC or CBS or even FOX? I think not. Go to:
Electroverse - Documenting Earth Changes during the next GSM and Pole Shift --- The Watchers - Daily news service | Watchers.NEWS --- https://www.youtube.com/user/MyanmarLiving/videos --- that last one for the electric universe. David Dubyne is an idiot savant if not a genius. And still pretty humble at that. There are lots more.
In the last quarter of 2020 we had 2 Corona Mass Ejections and one major flare all of which had notable effects on earth. 4 6.0+ mag EQ's in 48hrs with 2 of those within the first 24hrs, on opposite sides of the earth, 25secs apart.
When do we get the big one like Carrington? If you are not paying attention you will know when your power goes off and stays off for weeks, months, years or decades.
I will not hold anyone's hand but I will shake it. You must do your homework. At least half of what you hear, here, is breast milk. the rest is coca cola. Try some whiskey instead. I assure you that I am not here to discourage or persuade anyone but to see what I can learn here, if anything, and contribute some things of value. Anyone who wants to talk but is not here for those reasons then I don't need to, or want to, talk to them.
The Vatican has hundreds of years of examples of their complicity in every major war, famine, disease, etc. In WW2 the Vatican provided secret couriers for secret documents to Churchill and Roosevelt and Stalin! What??? They, the Vatican, knew everything before it happened. The Vatican, in every country capital in the world, except those we are still trying to destroy, has the El Nuncio, the Chief Diplomat, who is in charge of the Diplomatic Corps of that city and country. They know everything going on while the other diplomats know next to nothing.
I could go on like this for hours but why should I?
Where are you going and what are you going to do? Now.
Already the vipers are getting ready to strike you and me for exposing history of a hundred years hence while it is still fresh today. Are you still dealing with history of 500yrs ago?
The only point in knowing the past is to get a clue on the future.
Never the mind. The SGSM is THE matter at hand which everything else is hiding. I suggest you get to You Tube and David Dubyne NOW and get his recent video on the four gas giants coming together in 2024. If you don't prepare for and survive 2024 then 2025 is irrelevant. Speaking of which visit Deagel.com for the anticipated population decline of the USA by 200 million within 4yrs.
Stolen History is one thing. Stealing the Future is another. Though, related, for sure.
Specific questions are welcome. Questionable comments are ignored or questioned right back. See you in a week. Maybe.
The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet.
Many would argue that the British royals are crypto-Jews, and the Church of England and City of London financial industry is run by Jews. The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby is Ashkenazi, and it goes without saying that all the major banks and financial institutions of the City of London are disproportionately full of Jews in senior positions.

As for the rest of your post, it strikes me as long winded New Agey type stuff essentially advocating that ethnic Europeans should just accept their replacement by Africans and Muslims, how very Ashkenazi of you. How do you feel about Israel, the Jewish ethno-state?
In every community, like this one, there are going to be those who don't think for themselves in order to argue anything at all let alone anything relevant. If you read my post you would know it tells you that you will be dead in 4yrs from cataclysmic changes ongoing and soon to culminate in, only, the first of many challenges to the survival of our species, yet again. I also conceded what you want to rag on: The Vatican and Jesuits and Jews, so called are all in bed together. Since Phillip the Fair and Pope Clement the 5th at least. Are you ignorant or a troll?
Prince Phillip and Queen E. visited the Pope not too long ago so he could give them tea and cookies and a copy of the document signed by Edward the Confessor which ceded all property and authority of the Crown of England to the Vatican in perpetuity. Did you get that? Look it up. The queen is owned pretty much like you.
That you are so inordinately focused on Jews, who are no different than Christians or Budhists or Muslim or Protestant in believing without thinking it through clearly, especially in the context of the Torah instead of the Talmud or Mishnah, says that you are just trolling. So, go fish where there are fish to catch.
Your first paragraph is irrelevant to me though it might help you in understanding my simple analogy of the power structure of the earth. Your second paragraph is irrelevant in that it should be already answered. If it is too long winded for your attention span or paycheck value then please don't read it. You might have conniption fits if you do.
Jew baiters are almost always....Bolsheviks. Or, nitwits.
Besides which: Jew is a contraction of Judah which is a transliteration of Yahdah which is a proper name containing the contracted form of Yahweh. There is a distinctive, evocative difference likely to produce results either desirable or seriously not desirable. You made your choice, whatever it may be, and it matters not to me.
Nor do you by your own choice.
Trolls who live under bridges eventually get washed away.
Otherwise, like I, eventually just walk away.
You will be known by your works. More so, you will be eclipsed,obliterated entirely, by your works, or made straight ultimately.
Now, back on point. This is stolenhistory.net so what do you have to contribute from past history, or, to postulate about future history by evaluation and exposition of current events in the context of past TRUE examples.
The bulk of all religions are fraud plain and simple, or simple errors, which can be shown/proven from the original documents.
Papers please.
I gave you mine!
YHWH and not GOD.
Got it?
Great!
 

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I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
You have given me much to think about and I will do so as I go about my day here in Ottawa,
Canada where it is now 11:30 am.
From a preliminary reading you tell me, from what you have written, that you have plenty of knowledge and experience of what is versus what, in your opinion and mine, rather should be.
Please allow me to point out something as I have before elsewhere: In spite of the misuse of the knowledge in the bible, the book of many books, used by ALL religions as they see fit though not necessarily as they should, it is patently obvious, when comparing to the world at large, that the book's TRUTH is true but it has been clouded by lies and those lies have been substantiated, presumptuously, by other lies. Nonetheless, the TRUTH is still in there. Amazing! Truth defines itself in Jeremiah 23:26, 27 as the 'Laws and the Commandments'. Who ever pointed that out to you before now? I only do so because it was pointed out to me 30yrs ago and it has since proven itself. I read it many times but never saw it. Jeremiah is one of the least quoted but most vocal of all of the prophets. He was judicious enough to stay alive as long as he could.
Just one of the biblical laws, which you never hear from Church, State, or, heaven forbid, Banks and Corporations is: 'don't lend money at interest to your brother'. Are all humans not our brother, or sister, contextually? Even if not family or familiar. Even if, by fratricide, etc., they are technically our enemy, still, they are your brother/sister within your species. That 'The love of money is the root of all evil' suggests this also to be the sin above all sins, though; gossip is considered worse than murder. Does that make usury worse than murder??? It appears so to me by this definition in the original source book.

Which, as an aside, you have to love the Oxford English Dictionary. If you look up the word, hold on while I go look it up; 'goodbye': we are told it is a contraction of 'God be with you'. But, if we look up 'Good' we do not have the definition: 'a derivative, or extension, of GOD or god'. We do have a vast variety of similar words containing good, which goes on for 10, yes ten, pages, with none saying explicitly or implicitly, that 'Good' comes from 'God'. I think it is the Shorter Oxford, or the Condensed Oxford, which says that "we know 'good did not come from God, but, we don't actually know where it does come from". this is THE English Dictionary.
Never mind. It was a joke. It still is a joke. When I find my condensed Oxford I will remember to put it here.
Polish of 850 or 1350, or 350 if that is what it really was, is, no doubt, a far cry from Polish of 2021. Same goes for Lithuania, et al, to some extent, as they have all been infected, through vaccination, by Latin at least if not Greek also. Heterogeneous anyone? Like Mercury and Hermes in bed together just talking. Just talking a new talk? Look up the character of Mercury and you see the character of our entire Roman system. (Hint: usury upon usury upon usury, etc. Making simple compound interest look like nothing.) I could quote it but more fun if you do. Hermes is a little bit 'different', if you know what I mean, though; not much.

These 'laws', in the bible, appear as guideposts, innocuous to most, but noticeable nonetheless as our whole world is now in extreme debt, quintillions:) n. In the English notation, the fifth power of a million, a unit followed by thirty ciphers; in the French notation, used generally in the United States, the sixth power of one thousand, a unit followed by eighteen ciphers.) (I see quintillion coming after trillion and quadrillion. But, nobody agrees with me about Dectillions.) at least, and most of it held to our charge and not to the charge of those who absconded (hid it in plain sight) with it. Those who now want us to pay for it.
It was this reason that Yahshua (incorrectly called Jesus) had for turning over the tables in the temple, which belonged to the money changers, the Bankers, who shared their 'winnings' with the Government, and the Church of Rome and the Corporations. It was for that reason, no other, that he was falsely imprisoned and executed.
Just as was done to Khadaffi and so many others before and since. Who owns Libya now? They were repossessed by the Banks, in concert with the Church of Rome, the armaments industry, and now China who wants possession of that largest of underground reservoirs of fresh water on the planet.
It is fairly easy to see, when pointed out, that the TRUTH in the bible is clear but we don't see it because of this fog which is NOT self induced but imposed from the outside before we even were conscious (at seven yrs old).
Yahshua reiterates, in an offhand and reversed way, 'Love your brother as yourself'. Who does that? How can we when they murdered our mother, our father, our brother or our sister?
Great question!
However, if we would love our self how can we except in loving another?

Never mind heliocentric, never mind gynocentric, or geocentric, though they would like us to be so either, or, how about just eccentric?
I am going to go and be ex kentron for awhile. Or, ex centricus if you like.
Out of this great vessel, we are now being heated in, we shall be poured into another vessel, a centrifuge, to be spun around at great speeds, until something purified and rare comes out.

Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!'
"Let me explain to you how the world works"

Those are dangerous words for a reply. I advise caution.
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TOBYAHNAH

your comments, and I have to take them at face value, are life affirming

yes Yeshua showed us the way

yes we fall short, get up and encourage one another toward good works

yes in order to move forward in a life affirming manner we must, move together in a life affirming manner - alluding to your comment regarding the animal kingdom

yes, USURY is a perversion of natural law

so . . . 33 years of VERY cold weather
This information should be shared please share the links. So many great people here, may we and our descendants survive
I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
You have given me much to think about and I will do so as I go about my day here in Ottawa,
Canada where it is now 11:30 am.
From a preliminary reading you tell me, from what you have written, that you have plenty of knowledge and experience of what is versus what, in your opinion and mine, rather should be.
Please allow me to point out something as I have before elsewhere: In spite of the misuse of the knowledge in the bible, the book of many books, used by ALL religions as they see fit though not necessarily as they should, it is patently obvious, when comparing to the world at large, that the book's TRUTH is true but it has been clouded by lies and those lies have been substantiated, presumptuously, by other lies. Nonetheless, the TRUTH is still in there. Amazing! Truth defines itself in Jeremiah 23:26, 27 as the 'Laws and the Commandments'. Who ever pointed that out to you before now? I only do so because it was pointed out to me 30yrs ago and it has since proven itself. I read it many times but never saw it. Jeremiah is one of the least quoted but most vocal of all of the prophets. He was judicious enough to stay alive as long as he could.
Just one of the biblical laws, which you never hear from Church, State, or, heaven forbid, Banks and Corporations is: 'don't lend money at interest to your brother'. Are all humans not our brother, or sister, contextually? Even if not family or familiar. Even if, by fratricide, etc., they are technically our enemy, still, they are your brother/sister within your species. That 'The love of money is the root of all evil' suggests this also to be the sin above all sins, though; gossip is considered worse than murder. Does that make usury worse than murder??? It appears so to me by this definition in the original source book.

Which, as an aside, you have to love the Oxford English Dictionary. If you look up the word, hold on while I go look it up; 'goodbye': we are told it is a contraction of 'God be with you'. But, if we look up 'Good' we do not have the definition: 'a derivative, or extension, of GOD or god'. We do have a vast variety of similar words containing good, which goes on for 10, yes ten, pages, with none saying explicitly or implicitly, that 'Good' comes from 'God'. I think it is the Shorter Oxford, or the Condensed Oxford, which says that "we know 'good did not come from God, but, we don't actually know where it does come from". this is THE English Dictionary.
Never mind. It was a joke. It still is a joke. When I find my condensed Oxford I will remember to put it here.
Polish of 850 or 1350, or 350 if that is what it really was, is, no doubt, a far cry from Polish of 2021. Same goes for Lithuania, et al, to some extent, as they have all been infected, through vaccination, by Latin at least if not Greek also. Heterogeneous anyone? Like Mercury and Hermes in bed together just talking. Just talking a new talk? Look up the character of Mercury and you see the character of our entire Roman system. (Hint: usury upon usury upon usury, etc. Making simple compound interest look like nothing.) I could quote it but more fun if you do. Hermes is a little bit 'different', if you know what I mean, though; not much.

These 'laws', in the bible, appear as guideposts, innocuous to most, but noticeable nonetheless as our whole world is now in extreme debt, quintillions:) n. In the English notation, the fifth power of a million, a unit followed by thirty ciphers; in the French notation, used generally in the United States, the sixth power of one thousand, a unit followed by eighteen ciphers.) (I see quintillion coming after trillion and quadrillion. But, nobody agrees with me about Dectillions.) at least, and most of it held to our charge and not to the charge of those who absconded (hid it in plain sight) with it. Those who now want us to pay for it.
It was this reason that Yahshua (incorrectly called Jesus) had for turning over the tables in the temple, which belonged to the money changers, the Bankers, who shared their 'winnings' with the Government, and the Church of Rome and the Corporations. It was for that reason, no other, that he was falsely imprisoned and executed.
Just as was done to Khadaffi and so many others before and since. Who owns Libya now? They were repossessed by the Banks, in concert with the Church of Rome, the armaments industry, and now China who wants possession of that largest of underground reservoirs of fresh water on the planet.
It is fairly easy to see, when pointed out, that the TRUTH in the bible is clear but we don't see it because of this fog which is NOT self induced but imposed from the outside before we even were conscious (at seven yrs old).
Yahshua reiterates, in an offhand and reversed way, 'Love your brother as yourself'. Who does that? How can we when they murdered our mother, our father, our brother or our sister?
Great question!
However, if we would love our self how can we except in loving another?

Never mind heliocentric, never mind gynocentric, or geocentric, though they would like us to be so either, or, how about just eccentric?
I am going to go and be ex kentron for awhile. Or, ex centricus if you like.
Out of this great vessel, we are now being heated in, we shall be poured into another vessel, a centrifuge, to be spun around at great speeds, until something purified and rare comes out.

Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!'
"Let me explain to you how the world works"

Those are dangerous words for a reply. I advise caution.
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For everyone here and I shall quote:

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Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!' "



Read the above. and now TOBAYAHNAH please cite your sources because this may help people PRIORITIZE

Thank you
Your first source of current news and events, and confirmation thereof, should be your own observations or references. Especially by going outside and breathing deeply, feeling the vibes, talking to the birds. Japan had 3 days with 6 feet of snow in one week. China, most of Asia, Russia and Tartaryah actually, is/are breaking all historical cold records, as well as flood records, and stocking up on all of the food they can find from a country stupid enough to sell it to them. Russia is increasing export taxes on wheat to subsidize their own consumption.
California is in the midst of another atmospheric river which will eclipse that of 1862 and the submersion of Sacramento. Mud Flood anyone? etc., etc.,.
Go to sources, every day, who report these matters. Those, I just quoted, are real, current, news examples. Did you hear that on CBC or CBS or even FOX? I think not. Go to:
Electroverse - Documenting Earth Changes during the next GSM and Pole Shift --- The Watchers - Daily news service | Watchers.NEWS --- https://www.youtube.com/user/MyanmarLiving/videos --- that last one for the electric universe. David Dubyne is an idiot savant if not a genius. And still pretty humble at that. There are lots more.
In the last quarter of 2020 we had 2 Corona Mass Ejections and one major flare all of which had notable effects on earth. 4 6.0+ mag EQ's in 48hrs with 2 of those within the first 24hrs, on opposite sides of the earth, 25secs apart.
When do we get the big one like Carrington? If you are not paying attention you will know when your power goes off and stays off for weeks, months, years or decades.
I will not hold anyone's hand but I will shake it. You must do your homework. At least half of what you hear, here, is breast milk. the rest is coca cola. Try some whiskey instead. I assure you that I am not here to discourage or persuade anyone but to see what I can learn here, if anything, and contribute some things of value. Anyone who wants to talk but is not here for those reasons then I don't need to, or want to, talk to them.
The Vatican has hundreds of years of examples of their complicity in every major war, famine, disease, etc. In WW2 the Vatican provided secret couriers for secret documents to Churchill and Roosevelt and Stalin! What??? They, the Vatican, knew everything before it happened. The Vatican, in every country capital in the world, except those we are still trying to destroy, has the El Nuncio, the Chief Diplomat, who is in charge of the Diplomatic Corps of that city and country. They know everything going on while the other diplomats know next to nothing.
I could go on like this for hours but why should I?
Where are you going and what are you going to do? Now.
Already the vipers are getting ready to strike you and me for exposing history of a hundred years hence while it is still fresh today. Are you still dealing with history of 500yrs ago?
The only point in knowing the past is to get a clue on the future.
Never the mind. The SGSM is THE matter at hand which everything else is hiding. I suggest you get to You Tube and David Dubyne NOW and get his recent video on the four gas giants coming together in 2024. If you don't prepare for and survive 2024 then 2025 is irrelevant. Speaking of which visit Deagel.com for the anticipated population decline of the USA by 200 million within 4yrs.
Stolen History is one thing. Stealing the Future is another. Though, related, for sure.
Specific questions are welcome. Questionable comments are ignored or questioned right back. See you in a week. Maybe.
The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet.
Many would argue that the British royals are crypto-Jews, and the Church of England and City of London financial industry is run by Jews. The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby is Ashkenazi, and it goes without saying that all the major banks and financial institutions of the City of London are disproportionately full of Jews in senior positions.

As for the rest of your post, it strikes me as long winded New Agey type stuff essentially advocating that ethnic Europeans should just accept their replacement by Africans and Muslims, how very Ashkenazi of you. How do you feel about Israel, the Jewish ethno-state?
In every community, like this one, there are going to be those who don't think for themselves in order to argue anything at all let alone anything relevant. If you read my post you would know it tells you that you will be dead in 4yrs from cataclysmic changes ongoing and soon to culminate in, only, the first of many challenges to the survival of our species, yet again. I also conceded what you want to rag on: The Vatican and Jesuits and Jews, so called are all in bed together. Since Phillip the Fair and Pope Clement the 5th at least. Are you ignorant or a troll?
Prince Phillip and Queen E. visited the Pope not too long ago so he could give them tea and cookies and a copy of the document signed by Edward the Confessor which ceded all property and authority of the Crown of England to the Vatican in perpetuity. Did you get that? Look it up. The queen is owned pretty much like you.
That you are so inordinately focused on Jews, who are no different than Christians or Budhists or Muslim or Protestant in believing without thinking it through clearly, especially in the context of the Torah instead of the Talmud or Mishnah, says that you are just trolling. So, go fish where there are fish to catch.
Your first paragraph is irrelevant to me though it might help you in understanding my simple analogy of the power structure of the earth. Your second paragraph is irrelevant in that it should be already answered. If it is too long winded for your attention span or paycheck value then please don't read it. You might have conniption fits if you do.
Jew baiters are almost always....Bolsheviks. Or, nitwits.
Besides which: Jew is a contraction of Judah which is a transliteration of Yahdah which is a proper name containing the contracted form of Yahweh. There is a distinctive, evocative difference likely to produce results either desirable or seriously not desirable. You made your choice, whatever it may be, and it matters not to me.
Nor do you by your own choice.
Trolls who live under bridges eventually get washed away.
Otherwise, like I, eventually just walk away.
You will be known by your works. More so, you will be eclipsed,obliterated entirely, by your works, or made straight ultimately.
Now, back on point. This is stolenhistory.net so what do you have to contribute from past history, or, to postulate about future history by evaluation and exposition of current events in the context of past TRUE examples.
The bulk of all religions are fraud plain and simple, or simple errors, which can be shown/proven from the original documents.
Papers please.
I gave you mine!
YHWH and not GOD.
Got it?
Great!
Well I'm trying to understand things. Thank you for your view. I have forwarded the info regarding the GSM to some friends, it appears this is the main theme being hidden.

It is a bit shocking to view SOTT, electroverse or the watchers and see all the news that we are not paying attention to.

People react to seeing the crazy policies affecting family overseas emotionally, this is normal. Trying to understand the why is normal. To be open to being wrong and adapt to new information is what we are all about here.

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I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
You have given me much to think about and I will do so as I go about my day here in Ottawa,
Canada where it is now 11:30 am.
From a preliminary reading you tell me, from what you have written, that you have plenty of knowledge and experience of what is versus what, in your opinion and mine, rather should be.
Please allow me to point out something as I have before elsewhere: In spite of the misuse of the knowledge in the bible, the book of many books, used by ALL religions as they see fit though not necessarily as they should, it is patently obvious, when comparing to the world at large, that the book's TRUTH is true but it has been clouded by lies and those lies have been substantiated, presumptuously, by other lies. Nonetheless, the TRUTH is still in there. Amazing! Truth defines itself in Jeremiah 23:26, 27 as the 'Laws and the Commandments'. Who ever pointed that out to you before now? I only do so because it was pointed out to me 30yrs ago and it has since proven itself. I read it many times but never saw it. Jeremiah is one of the least quoted but most vocal of all of the prophets. He was judicious enough to stay alive as long as he could.
Just one of the biblical laws, which you never hear from Church, State, or, heaven forbid, Banks and Corporations is: 'don't lend money at interest to your brother'. Are all humans not our brother, or sister, contextually? Even if not family or familiar. Even if, by fratricide, etc., they are technically our enemy, still, they are your brother/sister within your species. That 'The love of money is the root of all evil' suggests this also to be the sin above all sins, though; gossip is considered worse than murder. Does that make usury worse than murder??? It appears so to me by this definition in the original source book.

Which, as an aside, you have to love the Oxford English Dictionary. If you look up the word, hold on while I go look it up; 'goodbye': we are told it is a contraction of 'God be with you'. But, if we look up 'Good' we do not have the definition: 'a derivative, or extension, of GOD or god'. We do have a vast variety of similar words containing good, which goes on for 10, yes ten, pages, with none saying explicitly or implicitly, that 'Good' comes from 'God'. I think it is the Shorter Oxford, or the Condensed Oxford, which says that "we know 'good did not come from God, but, we don't actually know where it does come from". this is THE English Dictionary.
Never mind. It was a joke. It still is a joke. When I find my condensed Oxford I will remember to put it here.
Polish of 850 or 1350, or 350 if that is what it really was, is, no doubt, a far cry from Polish of 2021. Same goes for Lithuania, et al, to some extent, as they have all been infected, through vaccination, by Latin at least if not Greek also. Heterogeneous anyone? Like Mercury and Hermes in bed together just talking. Just talking a new talk? Look up the character of Mercury and you see the character of our entire Roman system. (Hint: usury upon usury upon usury, etc. Making simple compound interest look like nothing.) I could quote it but more fun if you do. Hermes is a little bit 'different', if you know what I mean, though; not much.

These 'laws', in the bible, appear as guideposts, innocuous to most, but noticeable nonetheless as our whole world is now in extreme debt, quintillions:) n. In the English notation, the fifth power of a million, a unit followed by thirty ciphers; in the French notation, used generally in the United States, the sixth power of one thousand, a unit followed by eighteen ciphers.) (I see quintillion coming after trillion and quadrillion. But, nobody agrees with me about Dectillions.) at least, and most of it held to our charge and not to the charge of those who absconded (hid it in plain sight) with it. Those who now want us to pay for it.
It was this reason that Yahshua (incorrectly called Jesus) had for turning over the tables in the temple, which belonged to the money changers, the Bankers, who shared their 'winnings' with the Government, and the Church of Rome and the Corporations. It was for that reason, no other, that he was falsely imprisoned and executed.
Just as was done to Khadaffi and so many others before and since. Who owns Libya now? They were repossessed by the Banks, in concert with the Church of Rome, the armaments industry, and now China who wants possession of that largest of underground reservoirs of fresh water on the planet.
It is fairly easy to see, when pointed out, that the TRUTH in the bible is clear but we don't see it because of this fog which is NOT self induced but imposed from the outside before we even were conscious (at seven yrs old).
Yahshua reiterates, in an offhand and reversed way, 'Love your brother as yourself'. Who does that? How can we when they murdered our mother, our father, our brother or our sister?
Great question!
However, if we would love our self how can we except in loving another?

Never mind heliocentric, never mind gynocentric, or geocentric, though they would like us to be so either, or, how about just eccentric?
I am going to go and be ex kentron for awhile. Or, ex centricus if you like.
Out of this great vessel, we are now being heated in, we shall be poured into another vessel, a centrifuge, to be spun around at great speeds, until something purified and rare comes out.

Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!'
"Let me explain to you how the world works"

Those are dangerous words for a reply. I advise caution.
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TOBYAHNAH

your comments, and I have to take them at face value, are life affirming

yes Yeshua showed us the way

yes we fall short, get up and encourage one another toward good works

yes in order to move forward in a life affirming manner we must, move together in a life affirming manner - alluding to your comment regarding the animal kingdom

yes, USURY is a perversion of natural law

so . . . 33 years of VERY cold weather
This information should be shared please share the links. So many great people here, may we and our descendants survive
I could be biased having relations from Poland, Germany, Russia, France, Scotland, Ireland, and a few others populating, or polluting, my bloodstream, but: when Poland fell to the Teutonic Knights in approximately 1350, or maybe 350 AD, it appears that everything changed.
I do mean everything.
Everyone is presently talking about a reset caused by the Covid. I am talking about a reset of which the Covid is a principal component, and instigator, but neither the cause nor a significant factor except as a tool of suppression of creativity and intellectual inquisition.
Time for all to step up to the plate and dig deeper than you have dug before. Certainly deeper than the six feet we all intend to inhabit one day, or way, or another.
Stolen History is exquisitely unique in and of itself. With the resources available through the Internet I can see an explosion in the number of revelations over the next year as big as the explosion in the USA debt bubble; which is considerable.
Myths survive for a couple of reasons. I think the most important is that these myths are actually written in our DNA. The Bible says 'unto the 3rd or 4th generation' but I have evidenced my own going back 5 generations, at least, and can see that this is true. When someone says to you 'listen to your heart' that is exactly true. Cosmology and myth has a base in truth, true events, which are written in our genetics, but this is manipulated by and for past and current agendas. Sometimes our own and sometimes others.
In spite of what we see or hear it is already in our, your, blood.
Definitely, my focus in studies is on Cosmology, the repeating cycle in the Stars and on Earth, and in Myth; as it can be considered in the context of personal history, intuition and talents which belie any real ability that I brought to the table.
I was given all of these, any that I have, along with my physical being. I did not do anything to acquire them. They were freely given though not so freely received. Anybody wrestled with themselves lately?
We are all here on this site for a reason.
I suggest that the cosmology and myths written in our genetic code are telling us to examine ourselves, literally at the atomic level, while examining the world around us along with its history and chronology. What lines up and what does not?
In spite of the suppression of the inquisition of probing minds, courtesy today of big tech, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
My major concerns and considerations now revolve around the 'transition', as I call it, of the mid 14th century. More and more I am focused on the Myths and Chronology substantiated by and emanating from that time.
From the fall of the Polish Piast dynasty, of which I am a descendant, until the rise of the Hanseatic League was less than a decade. The League was a commercial and military confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in Northwestern and Central Europe. Starting in the late 1100s, the league came to dominate Baltic maritime trade for three centuries along the coasts of Northern Europe. I argue that this was only possible because of their alliance with Rome. That alliance cemented that power until the first world war. I argue further that Rome continues to dominate the narrative of everything from Eve to evening which they adjust and tweak ever so slightly continually to 'create' in their image.
It is past time for that to end and Stolen History is now in the forefront as well as the gunsights.
Time is short and getting shorter.
As soon as I figure out how I will be starting a thread on the SGSM which is going to be a dominant topic for some time. 33 years,
My wife is from Lithuania. The Ashkenaz advise the EU to commit TOTAL genocide in Lithuania.
The policies are INSANE there. You could not write a better script on how to destroy a nation than that which has already been written. Absolutely evil, and they apply this play book in every nation as they strip it of all wealth, innovation and beauty. They will do the same in Poland, the Polish people are beautiful, but without RIGHT information they will become deceived as we have here in America.
As a dominant principle of my life: I cannot answer for the actions of others but I can answer TO those actions.
Since you have said so little when you could have said so much then I will make assumptions and you can correct those as you see fit.
Let me explain to you how the world works; whether in the context of Heliocentrism or any other dynamic system theory you want to entertain, this is how the world works.
Allow me to summarize and then elaborate:

The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet. Principally through the Governments, Banks and Corporations but also non-profits, socalled, and NGO's. Same difference.
It is not only the Ashkenazim who are in bed with the UN. Nor are they only in bed with the UN.
(By the way, Chamber of Commerce can be directly translated from Latin as 'the bedroom of fornication').

Just as Poland and Russia, or the Ukraine and Russia, may have their differences but would you dare tell me that Poland is not doing business with Russia even as they whine and complain to the Americans for more guns and ammo? Same goes for Lithuania, or, at least the rulers of Lithuania which is not the people but the Church, State, Banks and Corps.

Let me be clear on the topic at hand as introduced in the first paragraph of this thread: Heliocentrism DOES infect everything we think, say, and do, because that is how we have been taught to be. YOU, revolve around the heliocentric centerpiece of Church, State, Bank and Corp of which there is no separation whatsoever. Pelosi is a hundred millionaire but has been a public SERVANT her whole life? Yeah right!

Then we are given another, or any number of, alternative mode of thought which is to be our choice though only in diametrical opposition to the first thought.
Let me offer a slightly different thought which changes the whole perspective on us, our self, and its position in relation, not necessarily in opposition, to everything else.

Earth, Terra, Tar and Tara (the male and female forms of first human life), Tartaryah, is our home and therefore very important to us but not very important in the grand scheme, schematic, plan, of things; YET! Only because, as many here suspect, it was hijacked, with permission of someone, something, for a time.
Only because WE are NOT in harmony with the grand scheme of things at this time nor at any time yet during our tenure here.
To put it in the context of me, and you, before putting it in the context of an unfathomable Universe, at this time: We are taught by the the Powers That Be (PTB) to go along to get along.
To go this way and do this thing and you get all of that which you want!
Is that ever true, at all? NO!
Because we are never satisfied. Why?
Because that is not what we are ultimately to do in order to survive and thrive.
On this plane no one ever survives death. Oh, sure, we have a million different thoughts on how we might. We just don't, won't, know for sure until after we are dead.
OK?
NO!
Playing with that idea, that thought, and we are all want to do it, justifying ourselves, or trying to, in the process of living and gaining, which is what we try to do because that is what we are taught to do, by examples all around us, is utterly ridiculous because we lose it all when we die.

'You Cannot Take It With You'. Whatever 'IT' is.
But, if anything can be, it is probably just a thought.
Think about that!

Let us try, in any context at all, to put that ridiculous argument we all have with ourselves and others aside and try to be strictly pragmatic. If we are going to be dead, no matter what else, here and now or then and there, then one of, if not THE, if not the only, things/concepts we must grasp and hold onto has nothing to do with us being the center of the universe; either as an individual or a species or a planet.
Back to that in a moment.

As far as I can tell we are just one species out of an unknown number on earth. Over 1 million different species of plants, to choose one form of life not mammalian, and; we as a conglomerate of people understand the principle components and the actions of less than 5,000 genus of those plants. One two hundredth.
We might have a little homework to do on our home and on ourselves.

One little planet in the middle playing field of one little solar system on the outskirts of one little galaxy, etc., etc.
And we cannot get along with our neighbor, or our neighboring country, or our neighboring planet(s) etc.
I live in a city of 500,000, a building of 170 apartments, maybe 200 people. How do I get along with all?

It is going to be difficult if everyone takes a different position but a whole lot easier if we all take the same position; if only on this one point: this is our home and we need to take care of it. Am I talking about our building, our city, or, our planet? All of the above.

Am I talking about our color, gender, political party, religion, caste, status, job, title...? No. Why not?
They are all polarizing and not unifying.

It is not that I cannot, nor will not, talk about any of those things it is that I have no interest in polarizing. I do have a great interest in unifying according to a doctrine of non friction for personal gain.
Make that attain! Attain to provision of my, and mine, needs, and; enablement for others to do the same. Otherwise seems rather pointless but I will entertain your argument to A point; only.

We seem incapable, as a species, of living in accord with the principle of non competition. That is only because of what is reflected back in the mirror which most of us inhabit.
Step out of that mirror. Step out of that wardrobe which someone, some thing, some entity, a construct in and of itself, has constructed for you.

Step out of yourself and into a matrix of individual constructs, each unique but integral, like all of the planets and stars, and capable of not only bringing forth life but also sustaining it.

As soon as we are born, even before, entities who have no interest, except to feed off of us, begin to mold us into an image not of our making nor of the making of our maker; given that there is one.

Supposedly we as humans, as most species do, strive to do this, integration with our own, but we do it only in the context of a playbook designed for us by others of our species who seek to play us for their own gain. Not play with us but play us as a stringed instrument and then discard us when done with extracting what they want from us.
Watch a herd of buffalo run the plain. Watch a flock of birds navigate through trees. Thousands of them racing faster than we can with not one crashing into another. How do they do that? How do we not? Why can we not?

Don't even go there: Our fabulous, fatuous Baal games, concertos of dissonant chorus, war games?

Someone profits from all of those. How do we? Do we not? Correct, we do not!

Every human is taught who they are, what they are, and to do exactly what they are programmed to do by others who were programmed to do the same, and we do do that.
All done in the context of the playbook designed for us by 4 key organizational structures, themselves being part of a whole known as the PTB or some other label referring to the same: a quadrant of church, state, bank and corporation.
They are, were, placed in that order for a reason.

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

of those four are of the same typecast, doing the same bloodsucking, looting, plundering, whatever label you want to use, in concert with each other but not with us.

Us being those who seek an alternative leading to life and not death. Not to them who are leading to certain death. Yes, a double, double, entendre.

Where then is the line drawn? The line in the sand if you like. The line between life and death. It is drawn with you or, more particularly, with I.

It is of great value to express yourself. To get it off your chest, if you will.

I am Ashkenazim, you can spell it anyway you like, by bloodline, but; does that mean I am a blood/money sucking leech? One who will get in bed, through some chamber of commerce even if not directly, with the Church of Rome? One who will put money out to loan at usury? One who will enslave another with wages insufficient for whole food, clean water, a warm home, family and friends? One who will lie, cheat, steal or murder so I may have more than everyone and anyone else at any cost of life or property to everyone for whom I care not except to get what I want?
NO!

I am Polish by bloodline, and name, and by many other bloodlines too if you go back 4 or 5 generations, but; does that mean I will support Poland no matter what just because it is Poland? NOT! Besides which, the Poland of today is nothing like the Poland of 850 through 1350, you can sort out the dateline, where they were at peace with of their neighbors EXCEPT when their neighbors made war. That was dealt with quick as could be and then peace was made again.

There is much that I like today, even love, about Poland, and also Russia, Canada, USA, Israel, and some 200+ other countries and a whole bunch more states and territories on our own little planet in this far off reach of a negligible Solar System in a pretty small galaxy.

Does that mean I accept the performance and dictates of my own infantile country called Canada? Not at all. Nor those of our agents who go to other countries, like Anita, the smiling murderess, in the Czech debacle, to assist in making mincemeat out of people in concert with the USA, et. al. under UN (read Vatican) authority? Definitely not?
Even though my father helped the UN enprison North Korea? Very definitely not!
Do I still love my dear departed father? Yes, I do!
Do I still get up in Anita's face now that she has made it to the top? Yes, I do! Even though her handlers, armed as they are, stand at her side ready to shoot me or her; as needed?
Yes, I do!
How about you?

It is my nature to put you on the spot. You can move the spot or choose another you like better. Have at it.
In the meantime, consider that it is you who can make a very big difference by taking a different tact.
There are very few things humans do which impress me as much as turning a sailboat into the wind without tipping over. Almost like a flock of birds flying at full speed through the trees.
Though gynocentric is common enough, androcentric not so much, it may be that the only truly heliocentric thing which can be is us, alone. But, usually we are not and if so then what?
Let me emphasize, go and lie under a Texas sky and tell me our earth, or sun or solar system is heliocentric! I think not.
So consider this in the context of your comment, if you will.
In the meantime, I am left with preparing for a cooling sun. I suggest others consider to do the same.
To understand the above. I am making a comment regarding anti-humanity policies in Lithuania which appear to be governed by a small minority against the wished and seeming benefit of the majority of a once far more peaceful and industrious people.

The long term result shall be genocide and the disappearance of a whole people group, language and whatever is left of the ancient history there.

If one has been forced to read the Talmud, have seen the arguments have understood and identified those which use deception. If you have read the Protocols,one has seen the organized plan to deceive. Certainly I can see a schema in which one party is made to be a scapegoat, makes sense in its intntion to draw attention in another direction. Further in my odd life experience an aquaintence from Crown Heights once said, as for the "religion" it removes God from religion. His view, not that I had enough info to have a view. First time I had EVER heard such a thing as I was endoctrinated with a Scaligerian history and a Scofield bible. This was antithetical at the time to my understanding, perhaps my acquiaintence was errant though a Talmudic scholar? Sure I'm open to that.

So its late and I may edit this much more.

The general concepts above are only partly understood, and as a person one makes heuristic devices for survival. Such words are the thoughts of an individuals view at a moment in time, nothing more. As a person I can respect another who rejects all the "programming", fine great. Then my opening paragraph is not toward the specific, perhaps a general discontent with the direction of things, in general and specifically I personally grieve seing the needless suffering via the inability to STOP the second and third order effects from happening, but powerless to do anything about it from here.

Am I incensed seeing a large group deceived by mind parasites so cleverly cloaked in good intention, yes I am. The whole world deceived, yes so much of it. Why? Laziness and irresponsibility, sure to a point but more than that.

Your elucidation, observing the animal kingdom and its cooperation. The closest thing is tribalism for humanity, some rewarded and those who stray brutally punished, ostracized or worse. The effects of going against one's tribe would be quite existential, so for heuristic purposes we speak about the general, not the specific.

onto general observation, many may agree.

Humanity is not created for these levels of stress, destruction and suffering. Yes, I agree that something IS feeding off of humanity's pain. Then this is to be countered, no?

So then, if a person moves from being a part of the problem (whether one that leads others-a pied piper; or follows the music and rhythm) to a problem solving part of the solution; one cares not from where they come from, only look at their actions to derive their character.

Here on this site, this appears to be the intention of every poster, to be clear mine as well.

so then labels are insufficient, very well in some cases yes in others usefull, each may agree disagree on some minutia

onto another subject broached, a 40,000 foot view so to speak (please correct if not understood)

regarding the order, I may have heard the reasoning before but please remind me and if you please cite references

1. Church/Temple

2. State

3. Bank

4. Corp

Regarding the next macro items

1. heliocentric v. earth centric

2. globe v. plane

with the disregulstion observed, at this moment I incline toward

plane & undecided but lean more toward earth centric than heliocentric (open to learning more)

this goes against everything I was programmed to believe

Open to correction with more information



Also, the evidence presented in this site and others has awakened, shaken and sparked my curiosity much more of what I observe

Having worked in magnetics and ultrasonics, having observed this world from macro to micro in my field these 10 years yes, yes indeed I cannot remain errant in thought. I do desire to learn more

general human model (physical)

yes magnetic field theory, electrochemical and more

amazing

I for one would like to hear more from your view. If we make it much longer. It appears some dark anti-human force is driving those with the resources to exterminate those without

if the sun is dimming - please provide what you know about that

and

an timelines if even approximate solutions may be derived that an electromagnetic event is forthcoming

what a pleasure to awake to read a response so challenging, thank you
You have given me much to think about and I will do so as I go about my day here in Ottawa,
Canada where it is now 11:30 am.
From a preliminary reading you tell me, from what you have written, that you have plenty of knowledge and experience of what is versus what, in your opinion and mine, rather should be.
Please allow me to point out something as I have before elsewhere: In spite of the misuse of the knowledge in the bible, the book of many books, used by ALL religions as they see fit though not necessarily as they should, it is patently obvious, when comparing to the world at large, that the book's TRUTH is true but it has been clouded by lies and those lies have been substantiated, presumptuously, by other lies. Nonetheless, the TRUTH is still in there. Amazing! Truth defines itself in Jeremiah 23:26, 27 as the 'Laws and the Commandments'. Who ever pointed that out to you before now? I only do so because it was pointed out to me 30yrs ago and it has since proven itself. I read it many times but never saw it. Jeremiah is one of the least quoted but most vocal of all of the prophets. He was judicious enough to stay alive as long as he could.
Just one of the biblical laws, which you never hear from Church, State, or, heaven forbid, Banks and Corporations is: 'don't lend money at interest to your brother'. Are all humans not our brother, or sister, contextually? Even if not family or familiar. Even if, by fratricide, etc., they are technically our enemy, still, they are your brother/sister within your species. That 'The love of money is the root of all evil' suggests this also to be the sin above all sins, though; gossip is considered worse than murder. Does that make usury worse than murder??? It appears so to me by this definition in the original source book.

Which, as an aside, you have to love the Oxford English Dictionary. If you look up the word, hold on while I go look it up; 'goodbye': we are told it is a contraction of 'God be with you'. But, if we look up 'Good' we do not have the definition: 'a derivative, or extension, of GOD or god'. We do have a vast variety of similar words containing good, which goes on for 10, yes ten, pages, with none saying explicitly or implicitly, that 'Good' comes from 'God'. I think it is the Shorter Oxford, or the Condensed Oxford, which says that "we know 'good did not come from God, but, we don't actually know where it does come from". this is THE English Dictionary.
Never mind. It was a joke. It still is a joke. When I find my condensed Oxford I will remember to put it here.
Polish of 850 or 1350, or 350 if that is what it really was, is, no doubt, a far cry from Polish of 2021. Same goes for Lithuania, et al, to some extent, as they have all been infected, through vaccination, by Latin at least if not Greek also. Heterogeneous anyone? Like Mercury and Hermes in bed together just talking. Just talking a new talk? Look up the character of Mercury and you see the character of our entire Roman system. (Hint: usury upon usury upon usury, etc. Making simple compound interest look like nothing.) I could quote it but more fun if you do. Hermes is a little bit 'different', if you know what I mean, though; not much.

These 'laws', in the bible, appear as guideposts, innocuous to most, but noticeable nonetheless as our whole world is now in extreme debt, quintillions:) n. In the English notation, the fifth power of a million, a unit followed by thirty ciphers; in the French notation, used generally in the United States, the sixth power of one thousand, a unit followed by eighteen ciphers.) (I see quintillion coming after trillion and quadrillion. But, nobody agrees with me about Dectillions.) at least, and most of it held to our charge and not to the charge of those who absconded (hid it in plain sight) with it. Those who now want us to pay for it.
It was this reason that Yahshua (incorrectly called Jesus) had for turning over the tables in the temple, which belonged to the money changers, the Bankers, who shared their 'winnings' with the Government, and the Church of Rome and the Corporations. It was for that reason, no other, that he was falsely imprisoned and executed.
Just as was done to Khadaffi and so many others before and since. Who owns Libya now? They were repossessed by the Banks, in concert with the Church of Rome, the armaments industry, and now China who wants possession of that largest of underground reservoirs of fresh water on the planet.
It is fairly easy to see, when pointed out, that the TRUTH in the bible is clear but we don't see it because of this fog which is NOT self induced but imposed from the outside before we even were conscious (at seven yrs old).
Yahshua reiterates, in an offhand and reversed way, 'Love your brother as yourself'. Who does that? How can we when they murdered our mother, our father, our brother or our sister?
Great question!
However, if we would love our self how can we except in loving another?

Never mind heliocentric, never mind gynocentric, or geocentric, though they would like us to be so either, or, how about just eccentric?
I am going to go and be ex kentron for awhile. Or, ex centricus if you like.
Out of this great vessel, we are now being heated in, we shall be poured into another vessel, a centrifuge, to be spun around at great speeds, until something purified and rare comes out.

Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!'
"Let me explain to you how the world works"

Those are dangerous words for a reply. I advise caution.
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SO, WINTER IS COMING

For everyone here and I shall quote:

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Time is short, as measured by the sun. According to the current sun cycle, Solar Cycle (SC) 25, we have descended into a Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) which is the first of 3 in a row, which is a Super GSM (SGSM), which is to extend, at least, 33yrs forward through a contrived, as well as natural, depopulation. The Great Reset they call it, of which COVID is just a cover and a small part, which will leave only two class(es) of humans, and, robots; if any humans at all. Maybe only cyborgs. Or so the PTB would have you believe. The bible says different and we will have to wait and see. Or not wait but do. Do what? Prove it then do it! Grow food first.
NASA admits SC25 is a GSM. NOAA says so also and SC26 is additional. Dr. Valentina Zharkova, and many dozen of her associates and equivalents, says that SC27 is too!
Where does that leave us? Brrrrrrr! Cold even if not dead!
Just to stay on the thread topic: heliocentric is originally considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as at the center of the entire known Universe. It is now considered as meaning from the perspective of the sun as the center of our solar system. Which may or may not be true. With the prospect of parallel universes there is nowhere to go except, in my view, as my view being the only centric which matters, if, and when it is fully contextual with yours being so also. And that means we need to be on the same page. How is that possible?
It would seem that, in my regards, StolenHistory.org, and dot net, have made some advanced steps in that direction. Nonetheless, if we drag all of our garbage along with us it may be difficult to keep from stinking up the room. SOOOO, I intend to clarify every thought and idea presented by me to the best of of my ability and expect everybody to chime in with all they've got too.
My silence on any point may be a sign of reservation but should never be seen as a sign of dismissal. 'I am a little dyslexic, you know!' "



Read the above. and now TOBAYAHNAH please cite your sources because this may help people PRIORITIZE

Thank you
Your first source of current news and events, and confirmation thereof, should be your own observations or references. Especially by going outside and breathing deeply, feeling the vibes, talking to the birds. Japan had 3 days with 6 feet of snow in one week. China, most of Asia, Russia and Tartaryah actually, is/are breaking all historical cold records, as well as flood records, and stocking up on all of the food they can find from a country stupid enough to sell it to them. Russia is increasing export taxes on wheat to subsidize their own consumption.
California is in the midst of another atmospheric river which will eclipse that of 1862 and the submersion of Sacramento. Mud Flood anyone? etc., etc.,.
Go to sources, every day, who report these matters. Those, I just quoted, are real, current, news examples. Did you hear that on CBC or CBS or even FOX? I think not. Go to:
Electroverse - Documenting Earth Changes during the next GSM and Pole Shift --- The Watchers - Daily news service | Watchers.NEWS --- https://www.youtube.com/user/MyanmarLiving/videos --- that last one for the electric universe. David Dubyne is an idiot savant if not a genius. And still pretty humble at that. There are lots more.
In the last quarter of 2020 we had 2 Corona Mass Ejections and one major flare all of which had notable effects on earth. 4 6.0+ mag EQ's in 48hrs with 2 of those within the first 24hrs, on opposite sides of the earth, 25secs apart.
When do we get the big one like Carrington? If you are not paying attention you will know when your power goes off and stays off for weeks, months, years or decades.
I will not hold anyone's hand but I will shake it. You must do your homework. At least half of what you hear, here, is breast milk. the rest is coca cola. Try some whiskey instead. I assure you that I am not here to discourage or persuade anyone but to see what I can learn here, if anything, and contribute some things of value. Anyone who wants to talk but is not here for those reasons then I don't need to, or want to, talk to them.
The Vatican has hundreds of years of examples of their complicity in every major war, famine, disease, etc. In WW2 the Vatican provided secret couriers for secret documents to Churchill and Roosevelt and Stalin! What??? They, the Vatican, knew everything before it happened. The Vatican, in every country capital in the world, except those we are still trying to destroy, has the El Nuncio, the Chief Diplomat, who is in charge of the Diplomatic Corps of that city and country. They know everything going on while the other diplomats know next to nothing.
I could go on like this for hours but why should I?
Where are you going and what are you going to do? Now.
Already the vipers are getting ready to strike you and me for exposing history of a hundred years hence while it is still fresh today. Are you still dealing with history of 500yrs ago?
The only point in knowing the past is to get a clue on the future.
Never the mind. The SGSM is THE matter at hand which everything else is hiding. I suggest you get to You Tube and David Dubyne NOW and get his recent video on the four gas giants coming together in 2024. If you don't prepare for and survive 2024 then 2025 is irrelevant. Speaking of which visit Deagel.com for the anticipated population decline of the USA by 200 million within 4yrs.
Stolen History is one thing. Stealing the Future is another. Though, related, for sure.
Specific questions are welcome. Questionable comments are ignored or questioned right back. See you in a week. Maybe.
The Ashkenazim operate hand in glove with the Vatican, who operate glove over hand with the Templars, who operate hand in hand with the Swiss; that ever so peaceful nation who facilitates more Arms Sales than any other single country or agency, who operates in league with the Crown of England and the Church of England, who operate in league with the Protestant Church of the Americas and the whole planet.
Many would argue that the British royals are crypto-Jews, and the Church of England and City of London financial industry is run by Jews. The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby is Ashkenazi, and it goes without saying that all the major banks and financial institutions of the City of London are disproportionately full of Jews in senior positions.

As for the rest of your post, it strikes me as long winded New Agey type stuff essentially advocating that ethnic Europeans should just accept their replacement by Africans and Muslims, how very Ashkenazi of you. How do you feel about Israel, the Jewish ethno-state?
In every community, like this one, there are going to be those who don't think for themselves in order to argue anything at all let alone anything relevant. If you read my post you would know it tells you that you will be dead in 4yrs from cataclysmic changes ongoing and soon to culminate in, only, the first of many challenges to the survival of our species, yet again. I also conceded what you want to rag on: The Vatican and Jesuits and Jews, so called are all in bed together. Since Phillip the Fair and Pope Clement the 5th at least. Are you ignorant or a troll?
Prince Phillip and Queen E. visited the Pope not too long ago so he could give them tea and cookies and a copy of the document signed by Edward the Confessor which ceded all property and authority of the Crown of England to the Vatican in perpetuity. Did you get that? Look it up. The queen is owned pretty much like you.
That you are so inordinately focused on Jews, who are no different than Christians or Budhists or Muslim or Protestant in believing without thinking it through clearly, especially in the context of the Torah instead of the Talmud or Mishnah, says that you are just trolling. So, go fish where there are fish to catch.
Your first paragraph is irrelevant to me though it might help you in understanding my simple analogy of the power structure of the earth. Your second paragraph is irrelevant in that it should be already answered. If it is too long winded for your attention span or paycheck value then please don't read it. You might have conniption fits if you do.
Jew baiters are almost always....Bolsheviks. Or, nitwits.
Besides which: Jew is a contraction of Judah which is a transliteration of Yahdah which is a proper name containing the contracted form of Yahweh. There is a distinctive, evocative difference likely to produce results either desirable or seriously not desirable. You made your choice, whatever it may be, and it matters not to me.
Nor do you by your own choice.
Trolls who live under bridges eventually get washed away.
Otherwise, like I, eventually just walk away.
You will be known by your works. More so, you will be eclipsed,obliterated entirely, by your works, or made straight ultimately.
Now, back on point. This is stolenhistory.net so what do you have to contribute from past history, or, to postulate about future history by evaluation and exposition of current events in the context of past TRUE examples.
The bulk of all religions are fraud plain and simple, or simple errors, which can be shown/proven from the original documents.
Papers please.
I gave you mine!
YHWH and not GOD.
Got it?
Great!
Well I'm trying to understand things. Thank you for your view. I have forwarded the info regarding the GSM to some friends, it appears this is the main theme being hidden.

It is a bit shocking to view SOTT, electroverse or the watchers and see all the news that we are not paying attention to.

People react to seeing the crazy policies affecting family overseas emotionally, this is normal. Trying to understand the why is normal. To be open to being wrong and adapt to new information is what we are all about here.

Thank you
You are understanding quite well. Your thoughts on tribalism are duly noted. I agree there are pros and cons to how a tribe does or does not protect itself particularly when it comes to ostracizing or capital punishment which may be one and the same. Nonetheless, the tribal structure will be needed among those intending to survive the SGSM. Typical tribal construct requires 150-250 persons in order to maintain supply of necessities and defend it.
Note carefully the, so-called, predictive programming of Hollywood, or 'Holy Wood' a very old talmudic temple which is in the bible, in their movies like 'The Day After' or TV series like 'Game of Thrones' or 'Hunger Games'. You get the concept of what is coming soon to a theater, or neighborhood, near you.
In fact it is here. Why so much in media entertainment about cold weather, tribal politics and war when the political meme has been about Anthropogenic Global Warming? A dialectically opposing set of memes which puts the mind into the shock you allude to in your 'crazy policies' statement. Not crazy at all but only contrived for a specific purpose.
Be fully informed, not by me, but rather by those that focus on the narrow subjects but also link them together to see the big picture of where we are. The PTB do not do this. They keep us distracted and confused with diametrically opposing concepts, Magic, while raping us.
How can we know the past if we don't know the present??? How can we know the future if we don't know the past?
The earth, the planets, the universe travel in circles. In cycles. They tell us what is coming by what has already been.
I watch every day, arctic and antarctic ice extent, temps, storms, and norms vs today's stats. Where have they been, where are they at, and, where are they going? We can all slice off some time from entertainment, (enter the attainable mental state designed for you), to apply that same time as do I. Maybe not so much time as I since I have more or less retired. We all still have to cook and do the dishes and sleep which all takes time.
200yrs ago, less than a mile from where I sit, my great, great, great, great, great grandfather canoed up the river to the trading post where he traded with the Indians to acquire furs to send to his bosses in Britain. The Indians loved him greatly. That his bosses, The Hudson Bay Co., the oldest corporation on earth tried to screw him out of his pension is notable. That that same corporation today is still screwing the natives out of their blood, sweat and tears due earnings is not surprising in the context of the agreements of Edward and the Pope long ago.
While not attacking others, or agencies, is a fine principle in theory; in fact we must be prepared to counter and strike with lethal force, if necessary, whether in a street fight or with the PTB. Quite often this involves argument and not fists. Or pitting factions against each other so they are too busy to bother with you.
I am glad there are many people far smarter than I to work on sorting out Scaliger, like Fomenko, a most amazing painter, musician, and galactic mathematician, so I can focus on clarifying concepts I have trouble with, which: require more direct attention to be paid to key elements or facts which may or may not be true or correct. The devil in the details. Minutia ARE important when they result in the formation of a millennia(s) long conspiracy.
It is almost Groundhog Day! Will he see his shadow? Does it matter?
I think it does. We have been breaking 120yr weather records in N.A. for well over a year, but, since June I have seen twice as many 160yr records broken as in the preceding 12 months.
Are we moving into a 160yr cycle renewal, peak, point??? I note this past week's atmospheric river (ARK) in Calif. bears a remarkable similarity to that of 1861-62. That it's effects are still being felt this week as it merges with the Arctic air coming down through Alberta, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado to Texas is remarkable as it also parallels events of 1898-99 leading to the 'Great Blizzard of 99' in February 1899. The worst blizzard in CONUS (Continental USA) history.
The possibility that we would have one of each in the same general timeframe is sobering.
The preceding paragraphs are some of the most important I have ever written in my life.
Those looking for answers to historical events, on record, like the MUD FLOODS in California history and elsewhere, or even California as an island; or, why were Dolmens necessary, or; Carrington's Event!
What, now, is the probability of a grid down, period, situation (which will make this a very academic, useless, paragraph to have written)?
Anyone would do well to pay attention to the weather around us right now.
While, two years ago, neither the Federal Minister, nor the Provincial Minister, nor the Municipal, whose offices are all a mile or less from me, would answer my question about preparations for the SGSM; Especially in light of the state of our infrastructure; I thought they don't have a clue about the weather! Or so I thought then. Their agencies are NOW spending billions hardening the city for bad weather. Very bad weather. Sadly, they are not hardening it for any but their own 'servants'. The rest of the population can 'go to hell'. Sorry, I meant 'go to Antarctica'.
Their hardening is insufficient. How about yours?
That is a general question for anyone reading and not intended for anyone in particular.
As I sit here writing this I wonder! Is my building, which sits on the 2,100 yr bank of the river which is presently 1/2 mile away, high enough to survive the torrent which this river was even only 410 yrs ago when Samuel de Champlain tried to go up it but could not? At that time they called it the Grand River; as in monstrous.
 
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