Flat Earth

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I am new to this forum and don't see an active thread on flat earth. Is there any interest in the topic?
SH's format is quite impressive. And imposing, to the point that navigating it is tricky for a simple mind like mine. Generic forums have become gross mockeries of their original designs, and so I am looking for a new home where I may spout my heresies, primarily the most basic hidden truth upon which all other distorted truths are based. The Infinite Plane of the Electric Universe.

My overall guesstimate of reality is a computer program which is crashed and rebooted every 300 years or so.

The gnostics may have had insights about our true history, starting with creation by an aeon named Sophia.
Who, if memory holds, became Gaia "in the flesh" so to speak.
I also respect ancient "myths" like that of Pyrrha and Deucalion, who threw rocks over their shoulders to repopulate the world after the Deluge. Rocks growing into organic beings? And vice versa. Nope, human beings are not imaginative enough to come up with such a crazy conspiracy theory.

 

[archangelclk]

This has been a regular topic of discussion between my Flat Earther friend and myself for some time and I was able to read a few books and booklet(101 flat earth truths?) and I found a few arguments quite compelling and definitely brought me to a 50/50. I found that in order for FE to work, you kind of have to disregard Nasa and the world organizations or at least assume they have some deliberate joint deception agenda. I personally hold to some of the notable evidence/arguments I found to support FE as GE did not have a sufficient answer or had holes in it that I was not able to find a reasonable explanation or answer to. To this day, I am a 50/50.

 

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That was a good response, and a positive sign that there still are critical thinkers out there in the aether.
As for Nasa, you don't have to be a flatearther to see that agency as the Ministry of Truth which controls (rules) all science. I mean pseudoscience, aka theoretical science.
Instead of using the Scientific Method to obtain repeatable empirical data, scientists are now encouraged to speculate and invent fake mathematical constants. e=mc^2 for example, would have us believe that light travels forever.
But it looks cool when a faker with wild hair draws it on a chalkboard.

We will never know our real history, but by golly, we can take real laws of physics and honest math to discover that we don't live on a wet spinning ball in a vacuum.

 

[Jd755]

https://stolenhistory.net/forums/earth-shape-discussion.37/

 

[dreamtime]

You are free to continue discussing this here on a technical level, but please let me offer another view: Cosmology and ancient myths

 

[msw141]

I found that in order for FE to work, you kind of have to disregard Nasa

I think this is the primary gateway into the FE rabbit hole. It boggles the mind that we accomplished so little in space during the 50 years since that initial 3 year span of successful moon landings despite the advancements in technology. You can't help but be convinced that something is being covered up and eventually you make the connection that everything you were told about the nature of space and the solar system might be unreliable. I'm not sure how people get into FE without that as a stepping stone.

 

[grav]

FE is not incompatible with CE, Concave Earth.
The Ygdrassil tree of Norse myth, the Cosmic Egg, the Mundane Shell, and other images of other ancient cosmologies are all quite similar.
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.N8WMrm2RjhpPsMraYFiLYQHaEb&pid=Api&H=95&W=160&P=0

We can also see our existence as an electric torus, in which our Infinite Place becomes the accretion disk at the center.
Flat Earth is actually a simplified term to describe the motionless and irregular surface we are familiar with.
What lies below? which knows? The deepest hole ever dug is the Kola Superdeep Borehole, which was only reached 7.5 miles, at which depth the massive density burned up drill bits.

 

[veeall]

This image is from Wikpedia, it visualizes the degrees of Latitude on Earth globe. Each degree contains 60 minutes, each minute being one mile in length. A nautical mile from WP: "A nautical mile was originally defined as the length on the Earth’s surface of one minute (1/60 of a degree) of arc along a meridian (north-south line of longitude). Because of a slight flattening of the Earth in polar latitudes, however, the measurement of a nautical mile increases slightly toward the poles."

So there are 60 miles in a degree of latitude and it is claimed the natural length of a mile (as measured (assuming) by sextant using North Star as fixed point) doesn't vary much over latitudes. See how sextant works:

Source

Now returning to the first picture posted, it is obvious you cannot measure a degree of latitude relating to the center of the earth using a sextant (or any other device?). I've marked the angle measured by sextant with an "A" in my modified image of the first picture.

See my problem here! The length of a mile (marked by the blue lines) becomes vastly different on a globe when nearing the equator. (!?)

It is contrary to the claims of WP, which states nautical mile being slightly longer when approaching a pole. Also it should be asked why, using this true analog method of measurement with a sextant, one gets different lengths for a mile if measured on a ground vs at the sea level.
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Might take a look at that. This is an obfuscation of a simple concept, all math later grafted in, made to retrofit.

 

[Gold]

Was it not the concave earth model that allowed the travel paths of planes to finally make sense?

 

[Fortuna Fled]

7 ways you can easily prove that the Earth is not flat
Posted Sunday 24 May 2020 10:00 by Mimi Launder in tech
UPVOTE


Picture: iStock
Pretty much everyone knows the Earth is a globe. But a very, very small minority of us cling inexplicably to the idea of a flat Earth.
So, with everyone staying inside over the course of the Covid-19 pandemic, we thought it was the perfect time to compile the ways you can prove that the Earth most definitely a globe.
1. Look upwards

Yep, this one's pretty simple. When you look up at the night sky, you can only see certain constellations from certain points on Earth.

Someone in Australia will see a different sky to someone in England at night - for example, you can't see Polaris, the North Star, from the southern hemisphere.
If the Earth was flat, everyone would be able to see the same constellations.
2. Look down
An equally straightforward way to prove the Earth is not flat is to simply measure your shadow.
If you get two people at different distances from the equator, and they measure their shadows at the same time, their shadows will be different lengths. But if the Earth was flat, their shadows would be the same.
Eratosthenes, who conducted a version of this experiment, knew this 3,000 years ago
3. Weigh yourself


Gravity, which pulls everyone towards the centre of our planet's mass, means we weigh the same wherever we are in the world.

But a flat Earth would mean that those at the edge of the disk would be pulled sideways, while those at the centre would be pulled down.
To iron out this problem, Flat Earthers have concluded there is no such thing as gravity - you know, that force that pretty much holds the entire Universe together.

But if they were correct, you would not be able to weigh yourself at all. You would also be dead.
4. Take a trip to Antarctica
Flat Earthers argue that Antarctica is actually a massive ice wall around a flat Earth.
But, if that were true, the countless planes that fly over Antarctica would surely have just... fallen off?

5. Check your watch

Picture: iStock / FoxysGraphic

To explain seasons, Flat Earthers argue that the sun orbits in a circle above us.
But that doesn't explain time zones, though this is their attempt, which shows the sun as some kind of spotlight,

Everyone whose ever used a torch at night knows you can see its beam from the side - and that would apply to a flat Earth too.
6. Grab a compass
Our planet has a magnetic field generated by the molten iron at the core of our planet.
If the Earth was flat, it would have no core. And even if it had a flat layer of liquid metal instead, the planet wouldn't rotate in a way that created a magnetic field.

7. Grab a pendulum
This famous experiment was first demonstrated in 1851 by Leon Foucault and is now found in museums around the world.

If you watch a pendulum for long enough, you'll notice it starts to swing in a slightly different direction, which proves the Earth is rotating beneath your feet.

 

[msw141]

@veeall my biggest question is similar to yours, but from the perspective of the horizon.

The concept of how they say that a ship sailing away from you starts to look like it disappears into the ocean because it is on the downside of the earth's curve that you can't see. That sounds nice but I don't feel like that works in practice, one of the better FE experiment videos I saw showed that with high-power zoom you can still see those "vanished" ships, it's more of a vanishing perspective effect.

But I think of curve in the horizon sense, from left to right in your field of view. I think the calculation is called 'arc minutes' or something. If you were able to measure how long your FOV is, which should be possible with known landmarks, and you were able to measure the amount of "drop" the center of your FOV, then you can calculate the rate of curve. This is a crude drawing, but green is horizon that you can see, red is just a flat line superimposed over the horizon, and yellow is some small amount of drop that you can measure of the earth's curveature.

I'm not convinced that calculation experiment would equal the circumference of the Earth. From googling various terms, the rate of the Earth's curve is supposed to be 1/8th of an inch over 100 feet. So if you can figure out how wide your FOV is (or half of it from center to left or center to right) you should be able to validate how much curve you should see at either end. We all know that even from the best of scenic views, there is no perceptible curve. My issue with that is that it seems like this would calculate out to a huuuuuuuuuge Earth. I know the Earth is very big, but I just really want to see the numbers prove out. I can drive a good chunk of a map in a day, you can fly a much much greater distance in the same amount of time. It's not impossibly huge. I feel like if you were able to prove there are shenanigans with what we're being told, this should be how you can prove it. It doesn't seem like it bends enough such that if you extrapolate that out you will get the 24,900 mile circumference. Based on that 1/8" inch calculation (assuming it is accurate) then in 2000 miles there should be 1100 feet of decline from the horizon. (maybe I didn't do the math right).

Recently David Blaine did that Ascencion special with the balloon. Here he's at 24,000 feet and you can overlay a line on this horizon and it doesn't drop anything on either end. it may look like its curved but it's due to some land features that are a different color close to the horizon, when you look at it closely. Now they say you can't detect curvature at this level, you have to over 35,000 feet. It just seems like it curves so little, how could it really be a ball 25000 miles in circumference. It's got to bend somewhere dammit.

Anyway, that's my rant. They teach you that you can see the curve when its a ship sailing from a harbor, but if you want to prove it for yourself, you can't because you have to nearly be in space to see the slightest amount of curve by the naked eye. why the discrepancy?

 

[veeall]

If the Earth was flat, everyone would be able to see the same constellations.

7 ways you can easily prove that the Earth is not flat
Posted Sunday 24 May 2020 10:00 by Mimi Launder in tech
UPVOTE


Picture: iStock
Pretty much everyone knows the Earth is a globe. But a very, very small minority of us cling inexplicably to the idea of a flat Earth.
So, with everyone staying inside over the course of the Covid-19 pandemic, we thought it was the perfect time to compile the ways you can prove that the Earth most definitely a globe.
1. Look upwards

Yep, this one's pretty simple. When you look up at the night sky, you can only see certain constellations from certain points on Earth.

Someone in Australia will see a different sky to someone in England at night - for example, you can't see Polaris, the North Star, from the southern hemisphere.
If the Earth was flat, everyone would be able to see the same constellations.

2. Look down
An equally straightforward way to prove the Earth is not flat is to simply measure your shadow.
If you get two people at different distances from the equator, and they measure their shadows at the same time, their shadows will be different lengths. But if the Earth was flat, their shadows would be the same.
Eratosthenes, who conducted a version of this experiment, knew this 3,000 years ago

3. Weigh yourself


Gravity, which pulls everyone towards the centre of our planet's mass, means we weigh the same wherever we are in the world.

But a flat Earth would mean that those at the edge of the disk would be pulled sideways, while those at the centre would be pulled down.
To iron out this problem, Flat Earthers have concluded there is no such thing as gravity - you know, that force that pretty much holds the entire Universe together.

But if they were correct, you would not be able to weigh yourself at all. You would also be dead.


4. Take a trip to Antarctica
Flat Earthers argue that Antarctica is actually a massive ice wall around a flat Earth.
But, if that were true, the countless planes that fly over Antarctica would surely have just... fallen off?


5. Check your watch

Picture: iStock / FoxysGraphic

To explain seasons, Flat Earthers argue that the sun orbits in a circle above us.
But that doesn't explain time zones, though this is their attempt, which shows the sun as some kind of spotlight,

Everyone whose ever used a torch at night knows you can see its beam from the side - and that would apply to a flat Earth too.
6. Grab a compass
Our planet has a magnetic field generated by the molten iron at the core of our planet.
If the Earth was flat, it would have no core. And even if it had a flat layer of liquid metal instead, the planet wouldn't rotate in a way that created a magnetic field.

7. Grab a pendulum
This famous experiment was first demonstrated in 1851 by Leon Foucault and is now found in museums around the world.

If you watch a pendulum for long enough, you'll notice it starts to swing in a slightly different direction, which proves the Earth is rotating beneath your feet.

These are all bogus claims.

 

[JWW427]

In an alternate universe, timeline, or reality, planets may have more linear 2D physicality. Anything is possible.
However, Im of the humble opinion that our efforts are better suited to historical mysteries that need solving soon, for the world is waking up and we are on the front lines of a war. The enemy of freedom, awareness, truth, and self-determination is at our doorstep. Triage of topics is a necessary tool.

 

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Wow. Posts above discuss a wide range of physics and math. One of them is very professional looking. Not at all like my amateurish presentations. I will not attempt to answer Fortuna's points at this point. I have addressed them on other sites over the years. None of them are valid, but again, tmi to cover per post.

Before I continue, I'll need to learn how to embed images. My earlier attempts were flops. It looks like I have to use Imgur or other app? or download? Surely there is a simpler way.

This link below, for example, shows an old air map used by real pilots in the real world decades ago. I expect today's freemason retrofit-engineers have designed clever software to cover their, ahem, basses.
Latitude lines are a real problem when mapping east-west distances with this map. And Australia is much larger than in conventional representations.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Cnd4gCfVL._AC_SY679_.jpg
Math, by the way, measures curvature drop with this formula:
8 inches per mile squared. 8xdxd
Over 1 mile of water, 8 inches of drop should be observed.
2 miles, 8x2x2 = 32 inches
3 miles, 8x3x3 = 72 inches, or 6 feet
10 miles, 8x10x10 = 800 inches, or 66.666 feet.

 

[veeall]

I think it is worth checking, using a sextant, the true distance of one degree of latitude at, say 25 parallel vs at 50.
I have the impression the length of a degrees of latitude measured relative to North Star is found almost equal by ancient navigators, but this do not conform to a globe model, so it was presented to us as if latitudes/parallels are set relative to the (fictional) center of the earth instead. Now the numbers of fictional globe conform to real earth measurements.
In reality, at least in olden times, if north star is visible in the sky at 45 degree it means you are at 45th parallel. Should check that myself though.

Also it seems never is the whole half of the Earth lit by the sun, worth checking also. With huge sun like that, it should lit very close to a half or even more, sunrise appearing at the same time at both top and bottom of the globe. I will probably keep these up in my future plans.

 

[Gold]

Wow. Posts above discuss a wide range of physics and math. One of them is very professional looking. Not at all like my amateurish presentations. I will not attempt to answer Fortuna's points at this point. I have addressed them on other sites over the years. None of them are valid, but again, tmi to cover per post.

Before I continue, I'll need to learn how to embed images. My earlier attempts were flops. It looks like I have to use Imgur or other app? or download? Surely there is a simpler way.

This link below, for example, shows an old air map used by real pilots in the real world decades ago. I expect today's freemason retrofit-engineers have designed clever software to cover their, ahem, basses.
Latitude lines are a real problem when mapping east-west distances with this map. And Australia is much larger than in conventional representations.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Cnd4gCfVL._AC_SY679_.jpg
Math, by the way, measures curvature drop with this formula:
8 inches per mile squared. 8xdxd
Over 1 mile of water, 8 inches of drop should be observed.
2 miles, 8x2x2 = 32 inches
3 miles, 8x3x3 = 72 inches, or 6 feet
10 miles, 8x10x10 = 800 inches, or 66.666 feet.

You can imbed images using the toolbar above the text field and they will be put where your caret was.

 

[msw141]

Before I continue, I'll need to learn how to embed images

There's probably more to it, but if you save the image to your computer first, then use the paperclip icon to attach a file. it will upload the file to the site like an image clipboard. You can do this as a batch of images you intend to use. They don't immediately go into your post, you then place your images into your post by clicking either "thumbnail" or "fullsize" which show next to your images that you uploaded. It will then insert the image where your cursor is positioned and you can see in the preview if you need to change it. Thumbnail option will expand the image when you click on it, since sometimes images are too large to put in your post using the full size option.

 

[grav]

In an alternate universe, timeline, or reality, planets may have more linear 2D physicality. Anything is possible.
However, Im of the humble opinion that our efforts are better suited to historical mysteries that need solving soon, for the world is waking up and we are on the front lines of a war. The enemy of freedom, awareness, truth, and self-determination is at our doorstep. Triage of topics is a necessary tool.

No argument about imminent war or other upheaval, reset, end of a world age.

I totally disagree that we should stop exploring our physical reality.
Until you know that the ground we live on is the opposite of what the Control System tells us, then you will never know just how fake everything else is.
It's like a child stolen from his real parents, then raised in a cult and forced to believe in a crazy religion or satanism.
It's all a magic spell. Walt Disney knew all about it and gave us Tinker Bell and Nasa gave us SpaceX.

Waking up is holistic. You can't pick and choose which lie is real and worth rebelling against. Everything they tell us is a lie.

 

[anselmojo]

FE is not incompatible with CE, Concave Earth.
The Ygdrassil tree of Norse myth, the Cosmic Egg, the Mundane Shell, and other images of other ancient cosmologies are all quite similar.
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.N8WMrm2RjhpPsMraYFiLYQHaEb&pid=Api&H=95&W=160&P=0

We can also see our existence as an electric torus, in which our Infinite Place becomes the accretion disk at the center.
Flat Earth is actually a simplified term to describe the motionless and irregular surface we are familiar with.
What lies below? which knows? The deepest hole ever dug is the Kola Superdeep Borehole, which was only reached 7.5 miles, at which depth the massive density burned up drill bits.

Agreed! Shapes are relative and malleable. It can be all of the above: ball, flat, concave, ribbon, torus, etc. depending on your orientation with respect to time (in both it's scalar component(normal time) and it's 3D component(relativistic/EM))

These illusions and more become more obvious when you ingest aromatic matter whose shape/time fields are more or less infolding than average (whatever that means). Aromaticity - Wikipedia

I have also noticed that my whole perspective on the matter shifts depending on whether I am wearing glasses (-8 diopters) in which case I stand tall at the bottom of a fish bowl, or whether I take them off, in which case I become a gollum like Sméagol and have to crawl around on all fours as I try and avoid falling into the abyss.

Furthermore, I have become an avid long-boarder and have noticed some serious glitches in the matrix while spending days upon days navigating the urban jungle of San Antonio Tx. When you are on top of the world on a hill, and the Texas sun is beating down on you, things feel quite different than when you are hurtling down a highway access road at 3am. Terms like lay lines, gravitational/magnetic disturbances, humidity, pressure, density, wind, momentum, etc. all take on a different meaning when you are standing still on your board and the universe is whirring by (all while trying to avoid any minor cracks or pebbles that might send you flying into oncoming traffic, a concrete drainage ditch, or a barbed wire fence...)

I think at this point I have to go with the Homer Simpson model: Doh! Do-knot discuss! Unless of course we get to eat cake, then anything goes...

 

[Fortuna Fled]

In an alternate universe, timeline, or reality, planets may have more linear 2D physicality. Anything is possible.
However, Im of the humble opinion that our efforts are better suited to historical mysteries that need solving soon, for the world is waking up and we are on the front lines of a war. The enemy of freedom, awareness, truth, and self-determination is at our doorstep. Triage of topics is a necessary tool.

I humbly agree. We’ll never know the truth anyway until (if) man or woman travels to the stars and gets to see what Earth looks like.