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First of all, I wasn't sure where to place this article but please, move it if need it. Secondly, as far as I gather this forum is critical of the Theory of Evolution. Although this hypothesis is not contradicting the theory, it proposes a different middle kind of way. Finally, apologies if it has already been discussed. I searched but I didn't find something concrete, apart from Japod briefly mentioning it.

HUMAN ORIGINS: ARE WE HYBRIDS?

Always remember, a cat looks down on man, a dog looks up to man, but a pig will look man right in the eye and see his equal.

Winston Churchill.​

The gatekeepers at the castle of truth, otherwise known as “The Controllers”, always give us a bit of the truth but never the whole truth. This especially applies for the theory of Evolution and The Origin of Man.

There are a number of non-mainstream hypothesis of the human origins and one of them is the Aquatic Ape Hypothesis (AHH). It was proposed by Alister Hardy (a marine biologist). It states that a branch of apes was forced by competition over terrestrial habitats to hunt for food such as shellfish on the sea shore and sea bed leading to adaptations that explained distinctive characteristics of modern humans such as functional hairlessness and bipedalism.

The mainstream hypothesis is that chimpanzees are humans' closest living evolutionary relatives, a theory backed by genetic evidence and visual similarities, which are obvious. One of the evidence in support of the Great Apes Theory (GAT) is that the great apes and humans have the same blood types: A, B, AB and O. The Rhesus factor isn't limited to humans, either. So in theory, chimpanzees and gorillas could donate blood to humans and vice versa - provided they have the same blood type. In reality though, blood donations are unlikely as our bloods differ in too many details that still need to be investigated.

Despite genetic similarities though, there are a massive number of divergent anatomical characteristics distinguishing humans from apes. How did those characteristics developed and why?

What if we have actually begun as hybrids?

According to Dr Eugene McCarthy, an American geneticist and one of the world's leading authorities on hybridisation in animals, the human species began as the hybrid offspring of a male pig and a female chimpanzee [1].

He points out that while humans have many features in common with chimps, we also have a large number of distinguishing characteristics not found in any other primates. Dr McCarthy points out that that is merely a hypothesis, but he presents compelling evidence to support it.

One common characteristic of animal hybrids is the relative infertility. But contrary to the common belief, according to McCarthy not all hybrids are completely sterile (like the mule) and in some hybrids the animals are able to breed with mates of the same species of either parent.

Humans have a relatively low fertility compared to other mammals, which is an indication of being a hybrid. It has been well known for decades that human sperm is abnormal in comparison with that of the typical mammal. Human spermatozoa are not of one uniform and a high percentage of human spermatozoa are actually dysfunctional.

We learn that the birth of the human species did not occur from just one crossing. The first pig-chimp creature was probably followed by several generations of 'backcrossing', where the offspring of that pairing lived among chimps and mated with them - becoming more like chimps and less like pigs with every new generation. After several generations the hybrid strain would have become fertile enough to breed amongst themselves.

Human traits not seen in other primates but seen in pigs.
I’ll shorten the long list but you can find it in McCarthy’s blog [1]:

DERMAL FEATURES
Naked skin
Layer of subcutaneous fat
Large content of elastic fiber in skin
Thermoregulatory sweating
Epidermal lipids contain triglycerides and free fatty acids
FACIAL FEATURES
Lightly pigmented eyes common
Protruding, cartilaginous nose
Narrow eye opening
Short, thick upper lip
Cleft lip
Eyebrows
Heavy eyelashes
Earlobes
CRANIAL FEATURES
Brain lobes: frontal and temporal prominent
Thermoregulatory venous plexuses
Well-developed system of emissary veins
Enlarged nasal bones
Divergent eyes (interior of orbit visible from side)
Large, blunt-cusped (bunodont) molars
Thick tooth enamel
Helical chewing
OTHER TRAITS
Nocturnal activity
Particular about place of defecation
Good swimmer, no fear of water
Extended male copulation time
Female orgasm
Short menstrual cycle
Snuggling
Tears
Alcoholism
Able to exploit a wide range of environments and foods
Heart attack
Atherosclerosis
Cancer (melanoma)
FEATURES RELATING TO BIPEDALITY
Short, dorsal spines on first six cervical vertebra
Fewer floating and more non-floating ribs
More lumbar vertebrae
Fewer sacral vertebrae
Centralized spine
Massive gluteal muscles
Hind limbs longer than forelimbs
Talus suited strictly for extension and flexion of the foot
Narrow pelvic outlet
ORGANS
Diverticulum at cardiac end of stomach
Valves of Kerckring
Mesenteric arterial arcades
Multipyramidal kidneys
Heart auricles level
Nipples low on chest

What do we have in common with pigs?

Do pigs have any of these characteristics above?

chimpanzee-human-and-pig-eyes-compared-665-184-30.jpg

They have heavy eyelashes, protrusive, cartilaginous nose, a thick layer of subcutaneous fat, short digits, and a naked skin. They are an intelligent animals, terrestrial, not arboreal (climbing and walking on trees), and adaptable to a wide range of foods and environments.

In fact, pigs have every one of the many traits listed. Ask yourself: Is it likely that an animal unrelated to humans would possess so many of the “human” characteristics that distinguish us from primates?

Pig skin tissues and heart valves are used in medicine because of their similarity and compatibility with the human body. Pigs are being used as incubators for growing human organs for transplants. Researchers from University of California, Davis, have successfully injected human stem cells into pig embryos to produce human-pig embryos, known as chimeras that can potentially grow into creatures that contain human organs, reports the BBC [2]. Why not goats, dogs, or bears — animals that, in terms of taxonomic classification, are no more distantly related to human beings than pigs?

Pigs are omnivore and we are omnivore. Some pigs have blue eyes, some brown like humans. I will speculate that white people have more of the domesticated pig genes in us as our skin is pinkie and many have blue eyes.

Our cross-species hybrid nature could explain why we can adapt to different climates and yet our bodies are never fully integrated into the environment, which is the reason why we have to store food and obtaining it is very hard work.

Pigs Intelligence

Our hybrid nature could explain our intelligence and the consequent elaborate religious beliefs trying to find out our true origin. Perhaps, our mixed up nature prompted us to be more innovative in order to survive. Maybe, the answer is in both of our possible ancestors – the chimp and the pig.

Most people are familiar with the intelligence of chimpanzees but the main historical reason that pig’s intelligence has only recently been recognised, is due to the fact that pork meat has formed an important part in diets for centuries. One can somewhat describe it as a method of denial, as our society would usually not consume an animal which we consider to have a level of intelligence, based on ethics. Example of some of these animals include, dogs and dolphins.

In fact, pigs are among the most intelligent animals [3] – together with elephants, ravens, cows and octopuses. They are cognitively complex, capable of naturally socializing, learning and even deceiving.

Pigs know what a mirror is and how it works, using it as a tool to grab food and distract their peers. It is a sign of complex cognitive processing and an indication of a certain level of awareness. [7]

Pigs also love video games [8] and are very protective of children. Mother pigs raised in sanctuary remain with their children for their lifetime and continue the same maternal care even when their adult offspring have grown up. [9]

If you ever have a pig as a pet you would find that they are in fact very clean. If given the opportunity, pigs would choose to not defecate where they eat and sleep. The popular misconception of the uncleanliness of the pig is consequence of captive breeding conditions and does not represent the natural behaviour and/or intelligence of pigs in any way.

Dr McCarthy says:

My opinion of this animal has much improved during the course of my research. Where once I thought of filth and greed, I now think of intelligence, affection, loyalty, and adaptability, with an added touch of joyous sensuality — qualities without which humans would not be human.

Yes, but can they swim like us?

In places like Nassau or The Exumas in the Bahamas one of the popular tourist attraction are the swimming pigs. [4]

In comparison, unlike humans and pigs, apes can't swim properly as they have very little body fat. They sink straight to the bottom of pools and can even walk across the bottom while submerged underwater.

Cultural references

For a very long time, humans have been tweaking with animal hybrids and we seem quite obsessed with. Especially dogs/cats and cattle crossbreeding are hugely popular. Recently, they have started playing extensively with human-animal breeds - 150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs: Embryos have been produced secretively for the past three years. Link

Pigs characters are very popular in children’s stories (The Three Little Pigs and Peppa Pig, for exmple) and there are a lot of literature with human-animal hybrids as the main plot. For example, in Mikhail Bulgakov's novel Heart of a Dog (1925) a Moscow surgeon Dr. Preobrazhensky transplants human organs into the body of homeless dog. As a result, the animal transforms into the man, Poligraf Poligrafovich Sharikov. In the end of the novel Preobrazhensky undergoes another operation to return him to the dog's state.

H.G. Wells, a well know insider and author, imagined a place in his science fiction novel “The Island of Dr. Moreau” where human-animal hybrids were developed via V-section. Some of “the beasts” created are swine-man and swine-woman.

No wonder so many cultures forbid the eating of pigs as if this hypothesis is true it would mean cannibalism. Pork consumption is highest among countries of European cultural origin and South East Asia. Maybe we can draw some conclusions about these cultures.

The Critics

As you can imagine this hypothesis would be a hard one to swallow for the mainstream. The main counter-argument is that pigs and chimps, according to evolutionary theory, diverged roughly 80 million years ago so there is a little chance they can mate. Also, chimps have 48 chromosomes, pigs have just 38.

According to McCarthy While differences in chromosomes of this sort do bode ill for the fertility of the resulting progeny, but it is only a rule of thumb. He gives more explanations in his blog [1].

Another argument is that successful animal hybrids, do not occur in a state of nature and that that only plants hybridize, and never animals. But McCarthy has 4,000 different types of hybrid crosses listed in his book on hybridization in birds and approximately half are known to occur in a natural setting. His current research indicates a comparable rate for mammals.

Hybrid can be detected by nucleotide sequence data but the further we go back in time the more difficult it becomes for any true remote descendant of backcross hybrids produced in ancient time, which is what human may actually be. McCarthy suggests, the most revealing data is of an anatomical and/or physiological nature. And this is exactly the kind of hybrid that humans seem to be, that is, it appears that humans are the result of multiple generations of backcrossing to the chimpanzee.

In Conclusion

We cannot ignore the fact that McCarthy’s hypothesis could explain a range of different phenomena including those that Darwinian evolution alone has difficulty explaining.

Dr McCarthy himself writes:

I must admit that I initially felt a certain amount of repugnance at the idea of being a hybrid. The image of a pig mating with an ape is not a pretty one, nor is that of a horde of monstrous half-humans breeding in a hybrid swarm.

But the way we came to be is not so important as the fact that we now exist. As every Machiavellian knows, good things can emerge from ugly processes, and I think the human race is a very good thing. Moreover, there is something to be said for the idea of having the pig as a relative.


Also:

The general examination of the process of evolution as a whole strongly suggests that most forms of life are of hybrid origin. Why should humans be any different?

I personally am also shocked by this hypothesis as anyone who discovers it now would be too. Is it possible that we have been given only a half-truth about the nature of human origins? Is it possible for a pig to hybridize with a chimpanzee? I have no way of knowing or rejecting that idea so I will leave it for you to decide for yourself.

Thomas Mann (1955, p. 271),wrote:

The pig with its little blue eyes, its eyelashes and its skin has more human qualities than any chimpanzee — think how often naked human beings remind us of swine.

Why Your Uncle Is A Boar

This ancestral shake-up is big
Not just apes can lay claim to that gig
I just figured out
Where I got my big snout
Turns out great-granddad was a pig!

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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-04-28 20:20:57
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Very interesting subject.

It definitely appears that our origins are either lost or obscured from us.

I do wonder though, if our ancestry is animal, why we do not even dream about being animal (others can chime in correct me if they've had dreams otherwise).

It could just be me and that I do not spend enough time with animals, but it certainly feels like we are different.
Of a similar origin to be sure, but different source branches perhaps.

I guess maybe we don't know our animal origins, for the same reason we do not know our great great great grandfather.
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-04-28 22:25:09
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Very interesting, with some interesting similarities. The blue pig's eye is a big surprise to me. But no, I can't imagine that these 2 species could breed successfully.

(I kind of don't want to know the answers to these questions....but...)

Why should we think that pigs and monkeys can create an offspring at all? Did the doctor (or others) present any evidence that anyone has repeated this?

I have seen a mule and I know these to exist; the parent animals of a mule seem compatible too. An ape and a pig are far more divergent.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-04-28 22:48:40
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I did not cover McCarthy's thought process in the article but it's quite solid:
  1. The chimpanzees are generally recognized as being closest to humans in terms of their genetics.
  2. But there is long list of traits distinguishing human beings from chimpanzees (suggesting a hybrid).
  3. A hybrid combines traits otherwise seen only separately in the two parental forms from which it is derived.
  4. Therefore the non-chimp characteristics should describe the other parent involved in the cross.
  5. Identify which animals has these characteristics.
 
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Username: BigCatMomma
Date: 2020-04-28 23:20:08
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Really interesting theory. I can’t help but think about Napoleon and his fellows pigs taking liberties with logic and language to further enslave the others- all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. I imagine that Orwell knew about this theory- something to look into tonight :)

Also of interest is the inherited protein found onred blood cells in primates and most humans- except for those humans without this protein, referred to as rh-factor negative. Does this mean we are more closely related to the oinkers? Oh my...this opens up a can of piggies!

Mules Are Rh Negative!!
 
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Username: JezNorth
Date: 2020-04-29 00:54:09
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The OP's post was superbly researched and written up which is why I liked it. But first time I have heard of this idea so for now my position remains more like yours. Although I can see why it has been suggested when the similarities are set out.

However human and cephalopod eyes have many similarities.
 
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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2020-04-29 01:55:13
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Will the hybrid part make us not evolved as i guess this is done in very short time with big leaps to time instead of the millions of incremental steps it should take!
 
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Username: WarningGuy
Date: 2020-04-29 02:34:33
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I will never look at my friends pet pig the same again.
 
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Username: Bunnyman
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Excellent post! And yes, it could all be so. It certainly shows that we are all related to all other life here and share similarities with all and even (discomforting) close ones with others. This may have occurred through natural selection and cross-breeding. I do however also entertain the possibility that all life has been genetically engineered to play a part in this realm. Or in other words: we may all be different products from the same factory of Artemis with an equal possibility that life has been augmented through genetic manipulation by the sorts of the People of Anu (Anunaki, Enki & Enlil). It may be even likely that genetic transformation is an ongoing process and influenced through the changes in our electro-magnetic atmospheric conditions.
 
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Username: revelinmusic
Date: 2020-04-29 08:34:30
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Is this why Jews and Muslims don't eat pork aka pigs, because it would count as cannibalism if this is true?
If this is true then I will stop eating pork right away.
 
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Username: codis
Date: 2020-04-29 10:27:22
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Can anybody substantiate the made claims with e.g. some studies ? I'm not afraid reading them myself. But lately, a "Dr." title doesn't really impress me.
Anyway, meat from ruminants is surely to prefer. Their meat and fat is far better suited for human digestion, since they do not really live off the stuff they stuff into their mouth. In difference to omnivores like pigs (or us).
 
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Username: dreamtime
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I don't think there's empirical evidence clearly connecting pork meat with disease.
 
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Username: plamski
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HUMAN ORIGINS: ARE WE HYBRIDS? PART II

Know Thyself

The second part will cover the philosophical aspects of Chimp - Pig hypothesis of the human origin.

Science without philosophy is always half-truth as it cannot defend its own assumptions. Science is based on external evidences (observable facts) while the philosophy on internal ones (intuition). Thus the road towards truth is always a two ways system. Explorations must run in two seemingly opposite directions, with the opportunity to re-examine the findings and to look at them from a different point of view.

As mentioned in Part One, it is hard to decide whether the hypothesis proposed by Dr McCarthy is true or false but it surely could explain a lot of phenomena of human nature. It gives us a plenty food for thought and inner-standing.

The Roman poet Juvenal wrote in his “Satires”:

You should pray for a healthy mind in a healthy body.
Ask for a stout heart that has no fear of death,
and deems length of days the least of Nature's gifts
that can endure any kind of toil,
that knows neither wrath nor desire and thinks
the woes and hard labors of Hercules better than
the loves and banquets and downy cushions of Sardanapalus.
What I commend to you, you can give to yourself;
For assuredly, the only road to a life of peace is virtue.


The ancients knew it and we all know it too: strong mind in strong body!

A certain creepy and an uncomfortable notion trouble us though. Could it be that humanity has been living in a state of continuous “collective neuroticism”, which accidentally might have started with the realization of our own mortality?

Let’s examine this thought, starting with the animals.

Do animals experience such feelings as anxiety, worry, fear, anger, frustration, envy, jealousy, guilt, depressed mood, and loneliness? Do they really know they're going to die?" and "Do they have the same concept of death that we do?

Modern psychologists speculate that (some) animals commit suicides like we do. Mammals that pass the “mirror test” and are therefore self-aware to a certain extend would act desperately in extreme situations. Most of the observations of animal “suicide” are in cases where they are kept captive under extreme circumstance. Like the bear in China that was held captive on bile farm killed her son and then herself to escape from the torture of their situation. The stranded whales and dolphins that we sometimes find on the sea shore are usually sick or injured – too weak to swim. Technically, these are not acts of suicide but more of signs of extreme desperation similar in the bear example above.

From these instances of perceived acts of suicide in animals the psychologists draw the conclusion that animals might even contemplate their own death. But they may be missing the elephant in the room – the animals do not really kill themselves, they try to escape from an unbearable situation at all cost. Their bodies can’t take it anymore.

What about humans?

The human species are found all around this Earth and vary in our ways of life, appearance and diet. To this day, we still don't know what our natural diet is and whether there should be varieties according to race, climate and sex. And the biggest question is we don't know if we have to eat flesh or not. One thing that sets humans from animals is our ability to adapt. The omnivore/pig diet plays a crucial role. We also use technologies to survive (from fire to computer), we toil the earth to extract plant food from it, hunt and domesticate animals for their flesh and milk, we then cook the food and despite this enormous effort, our digestive system is “always bothering us!

Who was it that once said: “Man is a funny animal”? They might have a point.

We do not seem to fit here, we do not blend with the environment and we have to constantly “re-invent the wheel” in order to simply survive and stay afloat. This constant “fight with environment” increases our intelligence and ability to manipulate our world. But despite our growing populations, our fertility is decreasing and bodies are gradually getting weaker and more ill with every passing generation.

In the past, when the majority of people used to live in small bands in villages and did not have the opportunities to mix with other people, had strong racial and cultural expressions and were far more healthy. Suicide was almost unheard of. As an example, the Bulgarians who were supposedly suffering under 500 years of foreign rule (Ottomans) lived predominately in small villages and were extremely healthy, happy and with a flourishing folklore culture. Many lived over 100 years of age without any state health care system. Ironically, after the liberation from the Ottoman rule, the population started to migrate towards towns and cities. The process was vastly accelerated with the arrival of the communist rule, followed by the fall of communism and in result now the Bulgarians are perhaps one of the sickest nations. Fertility is going and the population is shrinking rapidly.

According to people who study hybridization in animals, the resulting hybrid always shows signs of relative infertility. What’s more, the hybrid male fertility is always weaker than the female. Meaning that subsequently more female will procreate than males. "The future is female" - shout the feminists. Maybe, it is.

Fertility is the number one sign of the overall health of a physical body and provided McCarty’s hypothesis holds any ground, we humans might have "a faulty" body to deal with. The problem seems exacerbated by the notion that we are a cross between two different mammal species.

Suicidal thoughts and death phobia (thanatophobia) are evidently result of unhealthy mammalian body, which does not provide enough nutrients for the brain and results in neuron misfires. Considering that humans have a rather large brain proportionally to the body, it is more likely that we would experience “brain hunger” resulting in suicidal and mortality thoughts.

As mentioned earlier, hybridization results in lower fertility and in some cases complete infertility (the mule). Being a hybrid might be the fundamental reason why we have constructed a whole new artificial environment in order to survive. In order to deal with this "strange" body.

We are told that Jesus said:

Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

This saying could be interpreted as a warning about our unnatural ways of living. What He did not consider is how much the Hybrid has disconnected himself from Nature with an artificial construct, called civilizations. What’s more tragic is that we took his words and turned them into an organized form of self-denial, self-aggression and exploitation, called religion. With even more sophisticated constructs today like politics and law.

Our civilizations and our cultures are what psychologist would call projection of our own problems. Our own sense of inadequacy is projected onto ourselves through an elaborate system of self-exploitation, called economy. The arrogant way we treat all other living creatures by forced hybridization and exploitation is called agriculture. In search of our own yet undiscovered natural habitat, we have taken over and destroyed the natural habitat of all other animals and plants. We treat the whole earth as own property and slowly but surely change the environment to suit only our artificial ways of living. No matter how harsh it may sound, we seem to be spreading like malignant cancer cells.

Perhaps, the most troubling effect of us being a hybrid is the invention of a health care which is nothing but a dis-ease (mis)management. It is as if we are so angry at this hybrid body and for that we constantly have to change it and modify it – beat it up. The mad scientists are even now looking for ways to allow people to live outside of their bodies - transhumanism. People have lost faith in both the Creator and their own bodies. Medicine is nothing but a form of self-mutilation. A cry for help!

Our extravagant ways of life are “hybridizing” the already hybrid body and most evidently this is observed in our ever declining fertility. To compensate this “defect” we have turned sexuality into something that is not and we have become more and more foreign to one another. We seemed obsessed with sex perhaps exactly because we sense we’re losing it. Social distancing is not new.

Some might find these thoughts as rather negative and depressing but only a good look at ourselves in the mirror might be all it takes to divert us from the road of total self-destruction we seem to be on. Only a complete honesty with ourselves could perhaps allow us to come to terms with whatever body we happen to inhabit at present and find the best way to finally integrate ourselves with our surroundings without disturbing them.

Most of all we need to shake ourselves out of the notion of death and understand that everything around us, including what we call “dead matter”, is/was once alive.

Nothing is a prey of death; all is a prey of life!
Pierre Antoine Bechamp
 
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Username: codis
Date: 2020-04-29 13:40:36
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Just asking.
I suppose there should be some evidence for statements like the following:
 
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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-04-29 13:59:41
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Ew (wrinkled nose)

I have thought that we will buying animal/human meat and not know it, and it may be happening now,
just google it, plus look at Senomyx. Pigs seem well suited to experimentation, thus pork is suspect. There were other reasons the Bible says pigs are unclean, but some foreknowledge wouldn’t be unusual.
There’s a possibility genetic mixing was done in the past, too. However, all animals have a huge percentage of genetic similarities, and this is not proof of evolution or hybridization. It could just be those small percentages of differences (if true) are actually what make us different, type thing, plus I always include the spiritual.

You can only buy, or raise, the best food possible and then pray for God to bless and cleanse it Supernaturally. I wonder if human dna is being put in grains and vegetables, too.
I have also thought the time is coming when you may not be sure a future mate is fully human (whether tech or pig people, etc). and eventually purer humans will be sought because of the huge mess ups that will eventuate. If God lets it get this far, which doesn’t seem likely (the flood).
Perhaps missing here is why and who thinks this is a good idea.

Other thoughts are that while I agree a simple life is better, subsistence life is not pretty. It is grinding labor, and periods of starvation to start with. My mom lived this way in her early years and their farm was set up really well- a sustainable dream, but VERY hard. Maybe somebody with pig dna would wallow in it, however.
Adding, if you’ve been around pigs, they are scary and mean. That eye is not really the normal piggy eyes, either, and you don’t forget them plus see them in humans sometimes, and that’s what they’re called. It’s not a compliment.

Death is not your friend if you believe in justice, because you will rarely find it on earth.
 
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