Joseph Justus Scaliger according to Jacob Duellman

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The intent of these series is to expose a sort of "chronology of trolls/propaganda" from Joseph Justus Scaliger to Edward Louis Bernays.

Many of the connections are detailed here (TheBrain).

Jacob Bernays, grandfather of Edward Louis Bernays, "father of propaganda", wrote Joseph Justus Scaliger's ("father of chronology") biography, printed in Berlin in 1855. Not much information on Scaliger is available before this biography.

In the "Dictionnaire historique et critique" of Pierre Bayle, a biographical dictionary published in 1697, Scaliger was not included.
Thomas Birch and John Peter Bernard introduced Scaliger in his edition, the "General Dictionary, Historical and Critical" published from 1734 to 1741 in London in 10 volumes. They both became fellows of the Royal Society thanks to their contributions on this books.
Volume 9 of this edition is the only one (at the time of this interview) not available online, and it contains informations on the Scaliger family.

Julius Caesar "Scaliger" Bordone, father of Joseph Justus Scaliger, was said to be descended from the ancient princes of Verona, but in reality was the son of Benedetto Bordone, a Paduan schoolmaster who took the name of Scaliger. Julius Caesar Scaliger claimed his origins were confirmed by the historian Paulus Aemilius Veronensis, who found documents related to his family in Bavaria.
Caspar Schoppe denounced the "findings" of Paulus Aemilius Veronensis as an imposture, and claimed that Paulus Aemilius Veronensis had never existed.

From Fomenko's "History: Fiction or Science?": "The Bible lists a great many geographical locations that the People of Israel visited during their 40 years of wandering after the Exodus from “Egypt.” The archaeologists still fail to find these locations where the Scaligerian history places their Biblical descriptions. Wright says that “few sites on the way to Mount Sinai can be identified with any degree of certainty” (quoted in [444], page 128). V. Stade wrote that: “checking the itinerary of Israel has as much sense as, say, tracking the way of the Burgundians’ return from King Etzel as described in the Nibelungenlied.” The Egyptologist W. Spielberg quotes this statement, saying that “we can still sign under every word of Stade’s” and that “the depiction of events following the Exodus, the listing of the sites where stops were made, the crossing of the desert – all of this is fiction” (quoted in [444], page 132). Many sites that were considered to have been on the itinerary of the Israelis have been excavated thoroughly and intensively for a long time now. No traces have ever been found! The Biblical account of the destruction of Jericho is well known. One of the Arabic settlements in the Middle East had been arbitrarily identified with the Biblican Jericho whose walls were destroyed by the sounds of the horn. The settlement has been subject to thorough excavations since the endeavours of Sellin, Watzinger, and Garstang in late XIX century. There were no results obtained."

John Garstang was the founder of the British School of Archaeology in Jerusalem, now known as the Kenyon Institute, with Israel Gollancz, nephew of Victor Gollancz, printer for the Fabian Society, Aldous Huxley and the MKULTRA project.
History has been set and solidified during the British Empire rule back in the 1870s, from where these societies had sprung from. There is an interest to set the stage for a biblical history built upon Scaliger's "work". Frederic George Kenyon was president of the British academy, just as Arthur James Balfour, responsible for the Balfour Declaration.

About biblical archeology, William Matthew Flinders Petrie, founder of the British School of Archaeology in Egypt in 1905, translated the Famine Stela, which supposedly states the first mention of Israel, but his translation is highly questionable.
William Matthew Flinders Petrie was the teacher of Margaret Alice Murray and Gerald Lankester Harding. Harding worked in the team guided by Roland Guérin de Vaux for the recovery of the fraudolent Dead Sea Scrolls, which are the basis for the localization of biblical Israel in Palestine.

Finally some funny anecdotes of Scaliger's life which show how this character was.
 
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In the first part is showed how Scaliger's version of history was not welcomed by many scholars in that time and how the prevailing of this version was due to reasons that had nothing to do with an authentic scientific research.

Many of the connections are detailed here (TheBrain).

It is discussed how the most old historical dictionaries contained plenty of footnotes with alternative views on the subjects. These footnotes were gradually reduced with every new dictionary published, until no footnotes remained and in this fallacious way they came up with an history without contradictions.

Then a more in depth analysis of Scaliger's family tree and arguments with many examples, such as his faulty translations in which he took too many liberties, consequently corrupting the texts. Apparently the reason why they posed as nobles was due to poverty... with an important name (of a family gone extinct at that time) they were able to achieve positions otherwise unobtainable.

In the light of what has been said and contempling the possibility of a revised chronology as suggested by Fomenko, then the "Dionysian imitatio", the rhetorical practice of emulating, adapting, reworking, and enriching a source text by an earlier author formulated by Greek author Dionysius of Halicarnassus, assumes a totally new meaning, also considering the fact that the most important student of Scaliger was Dionysius Petavius. Julius Scaliger wrote a lot about Aristotle (even about his love poems, considered fakes), which was the one introducing the concept of imitation, but not to apply to human activities, totally the opposite of the supposedly ancient Dionysius of Halicarnassus.
 
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A very detailed episode with lots of connections.

In the first part a description of the "Scaliger collection" published in 1993 with a preface by Alistair Hamilton, son of Hamish Hamilton, founder of the Hamish Hamilton Limited, now part of the Penguin Random House group, deeply involved with the Fabian Society, responsible for mass control and observation and moral decadence. Jacob Duellman goes deep into the subject of these secret societies and concept of kabbalistic "inversion".

Many of the connections are detailed here (TheBrain).

Alistair Hamilton became Dr C. Louise Thijssen-Schoute Professor of the History of Ideas at the University of Leiden in Holland in 1985, where Scaliger was professor. In 2004 he was appointed the Arcadian Visiting Research Professor at the School of Advanced Study, London University, attached to the Warburg Institute.

They touch the subject of elitism in universities and the cloth-code, Thomas Wolfe and his connction with CIA. Harvard social relations department as a sort of "second CIA". The corruption of Yale and Harvard and the formation of secret agents.

The "beehive symbolism" depicted on the coat of arms of the Gollancz Family on the cover of "Personalia Relating to Rabbi Sir Hermann Gollancz". Victor Gollancz was nephew of Hermann Gollancz. Israel Gollancz was nephew of Victor Gollancz and founder of the British Academy and the British School of Archeology in Jerusalem. Beehive in freemasonry symbolizes the mass labour of men and mastery over workmen. "The bee was among the Egyptians the symbol of an obedient people".

Encyclopaedia Judaica, second edition: "antisemitic forgery aimed at showing the existence of international Jewish aspirations bent on world power. The specter of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy aiming at reducing the gentiles to slavery or exterminating them loomed up in the Christian imagination during the Middle Ages, growing out of legends about well-poisoning and plague-spreading. Some such stories claimed that a secret rabbinical conference had been held to work out a detailed plan for ritual genocide of the Christians. From the time of the Renaissance, at first in Spain, these legends turned on a political plot rather than a religious one; similar notions circulated in France and Germany, after Napoleon's convocation of the Great Sanhedrin (see French Sanhedrin) in 1807. They did not gain widespread popular credence, nor at first did the versions launched during the second half of the century by French Catholic authors like Barruel and Bailly, who associated Freemasons and Jews in an anti-Christian plot. In its latest version, the legend of the "Elders of Zion" was concocted in Paris in the last decade of the 19th century by an unknown author working for the Russian secret police (Okhrana); in all probability, it was intended to influence the policy of Czar Nicholas II toward the interests of the secret police." An unknown author working for the Russian secret police... a known unknown for Duellman, and a recurring scapegoat to disprove some real occurring issues!!! Obviously we can see how Zionism has been the ideological driving force behind all modern events... the Russian spy was correct and Czar Nicholas II succumbed to the zionist plot.

A description of how intel-cells work: the constant circle of citations by these agents to prop each other up. They cite each other works to create a false well-supported paradigm built upon their zionist academic works.

The parallel between the worker bees killing the useless drone bees with the freemasons' plan and intent to kill the useless (for them) members of society, as reported by Carl H. Claudy in The Master's Book, published in 1946 by The Temple Publishers.

Israel Gollancz was the editor of the "Temple Shakespeare", with J. M. Dent as publisher. Duellman talks about the connection between Israel Gollancz, Joseph Rudyard Kipling, Christopher Edward Nolan, Frank Podmore and Humphry Fortescue Osmond (MK-ULTRA and Aldous Huxley's personal doctor).

Link between Dionysus, Freemasonry and beehives. Concepts carried on by the Gollancz Family.
Overview of some publising circles and their relations.

Christian Matthias Theodor Mommsen, author of "A History of Rome", was friend of Jacob Bernays. An "incident" occured to him. At 2 a.m. on 7 July 1880 a fire occurred in the upper floor workroom-library of Mommsen's house at Marchstraße 6 in Berlin. After being burned while attempting to remove valuable papers, he was restrained from returning to the blazing house. Several old manuscripts were burnt to ashes, including Manuscript 0.4.36, which was on loan from the library of Trinity College, Cambridge. There is information that the important Manuscript of Jordanes from Heidelberg University library was burnt. Two other important manuscripts, from Brussels and Halle, were also destroyed.
Mommsen published over 1,500 works, and effectively established a new framework for the systematic study of Roman history. He was influent on Bernard Shaw (Fabian Society) and Mark Twain (a freemason) described his encounter with him in ecstatic terms. He talked of Mommsen as an "Emersonian". Ralph Waldo Emerson gave a series of lectures on the philosophy of history at the Masonic Temple in Boston. This was the first time he managed a lecture series on his own, and it was the beginning of his career as a lecturer.

Anthony Thomas Grafton, one of the contributors to the "Scaliger collection", studied at University College of London and retains links with the University of London's Warburg Institute. Israel Gollancz was also a student at the University College. The Warburg Institute is connected to the Warburg banking dinasty. The Rothschild Family was in contact with Hermann and Israel Gollancz.
Anthony Thomas Grafton is noted for his studies of the classical tradition from the Renaissance to the eighteenth century, and in the history of historical scholarship. The history of historical scholarship, Duellman argues, is "another palimpsest, another layer to cover things up".
His many books include a study of the scholarship and chronology of Renaissance scholar Joseph Scaliger. Duellman laughs at the fact that this overly-precious books on Scaliger cost none other than 400$, a good way to give credence to some garbage:LOL:. But also a way to keep ordinary people away from some anachronistic and contradicting information that goes against established history.
His most original and accessible book is "The Footnote: A Curious History", a case study of how the marginal footnote developed as a central and powerful tool in the hands of historians. Funny thing, Dullman has noted, is that on the the "Scaliger collection: A Collection of Over 200 Antiquarian Books by and about Josephus Justus Scaliger, with Full Descriptions, with a Checklist of All Known Scaliger Publications, with a Checklist of the Scaliger Annotati, with a Full Index to Bernays' Scaliger Biography (1855)", which Grafton contributed to, nothing is said about the voluminous Encyclpaedia "General Dictionary, Historical and Critical", which is the first essay with informations about Scaliger mainly in the form of footnotes!!!

The Warburg Institute was formed in Hamburg, Germany, from the library of Aby Warburg, a student of Renaissance art and culture, and a scion of the wealthy Jewish Warburg family. As an art historian, Warburg had become dissatisfied with an aestheticising approach to art history and was interested in a more philosophical and interdisciplinary approach. While studying the culture of Renaissance Florence, he grew interested in the influence of antiquity on modern culture (faking of history), and the study of this second life of the Classical World became his life work.

In 1933, under the "shadow" of Nazism, the institute was relocated to London.

Arnaldo Dante Momigliano, teacher of Anthony Thomas Grafton and honorary Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire (KBE), was an Italian Jewish historian known for his work in historiography, characterised by Donald Kagan as "the world's leading student of the writing of history in the ancient world". Donald Kagan is the Jewish patriarch of the Kagan Family, father of Robert Kagan and Frederick Kagan, and all founders of the neoconservative "Project for the New American Century". Robert Kagan's wife is Victoria Jane Nuland.
Arnaldo Dante Momigliano also took an interest in modern historians, such as Edward Gibbon, a freemason member of the Royal Society and author of "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire".

The home of the Scaliger Family papers is nowadays the American Philosophical Society, founded by Benjamin Franklin, Hellfire Club member and fellow of the Royal Society. Thomas Birch, author of the previously mentioned "General Dictionary, Historical and Critical" (containing the first mentions about Scaliger) and fellow of the Royal Society, was the copyist for Benjamin Franklin during his visit to England.
Ian Irvin goes on telling about the dark past of Benjamin Franklin, a probable pedophile and murderer (14 bodies were found in his basement).
The American Philosophical Society (Charles Darwin and Margaret Mead were members) was a subcontractor for the MKULTRA Subproject 58. It is from this institution that Vernon Hall Jr. writes "The Life of Julius Caesar Scaliger" (1484-1558).
 
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Excellent post. I was unaware Bernays wrote Scaligers biography. How funny and convenient. Great mention about the ancient art of the footnote as well which transformed from historians being allowed to insert information contradictory to the original theory or entry and into nothing more than corroborating source citation for the narrative
 

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I probably shouldn't, but I'll share this quote found here https://stolenhistory.net/threads/ww2-what-was-the-enemy.2136/#post-10750
Just as a flavoring to this post

"Backstory: I love Browning's poems, and years ago, I wanted to understand one called Porphyria's Lover. I looked into it, and found the disease in the poem, porphyria, or the Royal Disease, has a huge incidence among Ashkenazi Jews, as do a huge number of other genetic disorders. The historic cure for porphyria was drinking blood. From there, I found this disease called Tay-Sachs which only affects them, and there is no cure, but thought nothing of it.

Years after finding that, I read a novel that had a character with Tay-Sachs, who was taken from her family to be with people who cured her with blood, and it was written in a way that I have come to associate with hidden meaning - not to mention the link between porphyria, blood drinking, and Tay-Sachs - so I looked in earnest in to Tay-Sachs, and it turns out that there is a cure, only to be found in Israel, and the kids who are diagnosed with the disease are taken from their families to Israel to get treatment. It's hard as hell to find what that treatment is, but.... It's blood, and marrow. It has been cured with a transfusion of pure umbilical blood, a full replacement of all blood within the child, though historically, it was done through, again, bibens sanguinum (which is the Hebrew translation of the word "Damascus", because it was where Cain slayed Abel), or literally, drinking blood, done every so often. This has been a theme since Canaanites came into existence.

Ok so, yeah, I'm a crazy person, right? I have to be making this up, and no one else in history might have stumbled upon this imagined trail of bread crumbs. Turns out that the time in which Jews migrated to Europe, there also happened to arise the mythos of vampirism. You can escape a vampire if you drop a coin on the ground. Bram Stoker's Dracula was a Jew. Elizabeth Bathory was a Jew. Motzah balls, traditional ones served at passover, call for the blood of gentile children, and it is a well-kept secret that this practice continues in some circles today. Hemophilia (love of blood) is a typically Ashkenazi disease (Factor XI deficiency).

I should say that I don't think all Ashkenazi are literally vampires, but that the myth of vampirism arose from them. Speaking of, look at Marina Abramovic, the Spirit Cooking lady. She's fucking 70. She is quite obviously a Jew, but her wikipedia page has been scrubbed of any mention of her heritage, though it still lists it in search engines

From there, I found out about "blood libel" and that Ashkenazi Jews have been responsible for the Jews expulsion from 350+nations over the past few hundred years. 100+ of those were for blood rituals involving the murder of gentile male Christian children under the age of 7 (NSFL)................................. Here's a very suppressed book, written by a Rabbi, chronicling the history of Jewish blood ritual.

If the Ashkenazi don't interbreed with the races around them, their DNA breaks down within 3 generations, as if there were no "glue" to hold them together, but also, it seems to me, in a symbolic sense, that there is no growth, no evolution, no negentropy. It seems they are always dying, never growing.

The kicker is that these Jews, the evil ones who engage in this practice, are not even Jews, and it has been proven. You won't find anything but the typical apologetics that occur when an individual or group accidentally expose them, but the popular genetics website 23andme concluded the link between the Ashkenazi and the Khazars, who are Caucasian Babylonian Talmudic practitioners who infiltrated and took over Judaism. This renders their claim to Israel moot, and proves that the Jews who appear white are Jews in name only. Those same Jews are the ones who infiltrate positions of power in order to pervert them. "

To stay on topic though, this View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJk0yT4erxuRcCMBujshjWZ-KNAHAWCx6
is one of the classics, where Fomenko's works were summarised and Scaliger's name thoroughly cursed)
 

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I probably shouldn't, but I'll share this quote found here https://stolenhistory.net/threads/ww2-what-was-the-enemy.2136/#post-10750
Just as a flavoring to this post

"Backstory: I love Browning's poems, and years ago, I wanted to understand one called Porphyria's Lover. I looked into it, and found the disease in the poem, porphyria, or the Royal Disease, has a huge incidence among Ashkenazi Jews, as do a huge number of other genetic disorders. The historic cure for porphyria was drinking blood. From there, I found this disease called Tay-Sachs which only affects them, and there is no cure, but thought nothing of it.

Years after finding that, I read a novel that had a character with Tay-Sachs, who was taken from her family to be with people who cured her with blood, and it was written in a way that I have come to associate with hidden meaning - not to mention the link between porphyria, blood drinking, and Tay-Sachs - so I looked in earnest in to Tay-Sachs, and it turns out that there is a cure, only to be found in Israel, and the kids who are diagnosed with the disease are taken from their families to Israel to get treatment. It's hard as hell to find what that treatment is, but.... It's blood, and marrow. It has been cured with a transfusion of pure umbilical blood, a full replacement of all blood within the child, though historically, it was done through, again, bibens sanguinum (which is the Hebrew translation of the word "Damascus", because it was where Cain slayed Abel), or literally, drinking blood, done every so often. This has been a theme since Canaanites came into existence.

Ok so, yeah, I'm a crazy person, right? I have to be making this up, and no one else in history might have stumbled upon this imagined trail of bread crumbs. Turns out that the time in which Jews migrated to Europe, there also happened to arise the mythos of vampirism. You can escape a vampire if you drop a coin on the ground. Bram Stoker's Dracula was a Jew. Elizabeth Bathory was a Jew. Motzah balls, traditional ones served at passover, call for the blood of gentile children, and it is a well-kept secret that this practice continues in some circles today. Hemophilia (love of blood) is a typically Ashkenazi disease (Factor XI deficiency).

I should say that I don't think all Ashkenazi are literally vampires, but that the myth of vampirism arose from them. Speaking of, look at Marina Abramovic, the Spirit Cooking lady. She's fucking 70. She is quite obviously a Jew, but her wikipedia page has been scrubbed of any mention of her heritage, though it still lists it in search engines

From there, I found out about "blood libel" and that Ashkenazi Jews have been responsible for the Jews expulsion from 350+nations over the past few hundred years. 100+ of those were for blood rituals involving the murder of gentile male Christian children under the age of 7 (NSFL)................................. Here's a very suppressed book, written by a Rabbi, chronicling the history of Jewish blood ritual.

If the Ashkenazi don't interbreed with the races around them, their DNA breaks down within 3 generations, as if there were no "glue" to hold them together, but also, it seems to me, in a symbolic sense, that there is no growth, no evolution, no negentropy. It seems they are always dying, never growing.

The kicker is that these Jews, the evil ones who engage in this practice, are not even Jews, and it has been proven. You won't find anything but the typical apologetics that occur when an individual or group accidentally expose them, but the popular genetics website 23andme concluded the link between the Ashkenazi and the Khazars, who are Caucasian Babylonian Talmudic practitioners who infiltrated and took over Judaism. This renders their claim to Israel moot, and proves that the Jews who appear white are Jews in name only. Those same Jews are the ones who infiltrate positions of power in order to pervert them. "

To stay on topic though, this View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJk0yT4erxuRcCMBujshjWZ-KNAHAWCx6
is one of the classics, where Fomenko's works were summarised and Scaliger's name thoroughly cursed)
Did you read this one?
British royalty dined on human flesh (but don't worry it was 300 years ago)
 

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I probably shouldn't, but I'll share this quote found here https://stolenhistory.net/threads/ww2-what-was-the-enemy.2136/#post-10750
Just as a flavoring to this post

"Backstory: I love Browning's poems, and years ago, I wanted to understand one called Porphyria's Lover. I looked into it, and found the disease in the poem, porphyria, or the Royal Disease, has a huge incidence among Ashkenazi Jews, as do a huge number of other genetic disorders. The historic cure for porphyria was drinking blood. From there, I found this disease called Tay-Sachs which only affects them, and there is no cure, but thought nothing of it.

Years after finding that, I read a novel that had a character with Tay-Sachs, who was taken from her family to be with people who cured her with blood, and it was written in a way that I have come to associate with hidden meaning - not to mention the link between porphyria, blood drinking, and Tay-Sachs - so I looked in earnest in to Tay-Sachs, and it turns out that there is a cure, only to be found in Israel, and the kids who are diagnosed with the disease are taken from their families to Israel to get treatment. It's hard as hell to find what that treatment is, but.... It's blood, and marrow. It has been cured with a transfusion of pure umbilical blood, a full replacement of all blood within the child, though historically, it was done through, again, bibens sanguinum (which is the Hebrew translation of the word "Damascus", because it was where Cain slayed Abel), or literally, drinking blood, done every so often. This has been a theme since Canaanites came into existence.

Ok so, yeah, I'm a crazy person, right? I have to be making this up, and no one else in history might have stumbled upon this imagined trail of bread crumbs. Turns out that the time in which Jews migrated to Europe, there also happened to arise the mythos of vampirism. You can escape a vampire if you drop a coin on the ground. Bram Stoker's Dracula was a Jew. Elizabeth Bathory was a Jew. Motzah balls, traditional ones served at passover, call for the blood of gentile children, and it is a well-kept secret that this practice continues in some circles today. Hemophilia (love of blood) is a typically Ashkenazi disease (Factor XI deficiency).

I should say that I don't think all Ashkenazi are literally vampires, but that the myth of vampirism arose from them. Speaking of, look at Marina Abramovic, the Spirit Cooking lady. She's fucking 70. She is quite obviously a Jew, but her wikipedia page has been scrubbed of any mention of her heritage, though it still lists it in search engines

From there, I found out about "blood libel" and that Ashkenazi Jews have been responsible for the Jews expulsion from 350+nations over the past few hundred years. 100+ of those were for blood rituals involving the murder of gentile male Christian children under the age of 7 (NSFL)................................. Here's a very suppressed book, written by a Rabbi, chronicling the history of Jewish blood ritual.

If the Ashkenazi don't interbreed with the races around them, their DNA breaks down within 3 generations, as if there were no "glue" to hold them together, but also, it seems to me, in a symbolic sense, that there is no growth, no evolution, no negentropy. It seems they are always dying, never growing.

The kicker is that these Jews, the evil ones who engage in this practice, are not even Jews, and it has been proven. You won't find anything but the typical apologetics that occur when an individual or group accidentally expose them, but the popular genetics website 23andme concluded the link between the Ashkenazi and the Khazars, who are Caucasian Babylonian Talmudic practitioners who infiltrated and took over Judaism. This renders their claim to Israel moot, and proves that the Jews who appear white are Jews in name only. Those same Jews are the ones who infiltrate positions of power in order to pervert them. "

To stay on topic though, this View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJk0yT4erxuRcCMBujshjWZ-KNAHAWCx6
is one of the classics, where Fomenko's works were summarised and Scaliger's name thoroughly cursed)
Did you read this one?
British royalty dined on human flesh (but don't worry it was 300 years ago)
And suddenly I'm crazy when I tell that we're being manipulated by shape-shifting-man-eating reptilians)
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Elizabeth Bathory was a Jew.
I just want to correct that statement. Elizabeth Bathory was NOT a jew. I almost made a thread on this topic (Elizabeth Bathory) when I discovered it upon doing some research but didn't have time for it and other subjects became more relevant.

What prompted me to look into this was the fact that I was aware that the Habsburgs controlled the country at the time and to my knowledge, the Bathory family were fighting to get Hungary back under Magyar control and leadership.

In a nutshell, the Bathory family were a Székely (Saka, Siculi) family from the local royal bloodlines. Hungary was already under almost TOTAL Habsburg (Fugger) control by that time and the wealthy Bathory family stood in their way of clinching that control. They had to think of a way to eliminate their key opposition and this was done by creating a 'legal' court case with the accusations now known as 'history'. It was further followed up with the usual divide and conquer tactics.

When looking into this, I found a document that was written by a university student for his PHD. He took the time and went through all the old records and upon doing so, discovered that the whole case rested on just 2 witnesses, one of them a top ally of the Habsburg 'king' and the other being a catholic bishop, also a top ally.

A handful of other witnesses had their testimonies extracted by torture and were executed soon after. The questionable language of the documents, discrepancies in the testimonies, evidence of collusion, political motives and the fact that normal legal procedures that applied weren't followed were noted by the researcher.

Soon afterwards, between the Habsburgs and the Vatican, Hungary was gradually totally destroyed from inside and out over the course of the next 500 years.

Source (in Hungarian):

 

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Elizabeth Bathory was a Jew.
I just want to correct that statement. Elizabeth Bathory was NOT a jew. I almost made a thread on this topic (Elizabeth Bathory) when I discovered it upon doing some research but didn't have time for it and other subjects became more relevant.

What prompted me to look into this was the fact that I was aware that the Habsburgs controlled the country at the time and to my knowledge, the Bathory family were fighting to get Hungary back under Magyar control and leadership.

In a nutshell, the Bathory family were a Székely (Saka, Siculi) family from the local royal bloodlines. Hungary was already under almost TOTAL Habsburg (Fugger) control by that time and the wealthy Bathory family stood in their way of clinching that control. They had to think of a way to eliminate their key opposition and this was done by creating a 'legal' court case with the accusations now known as 'history'. It was further followed up with the usual divide and conquer tactics.

When looking into this, I found a document that was written by a university student for his PHD. He took the time and went through all the old records and upon doing so, discovered that the whole case rested on just 2 witnesses, one of them a top ally of the Habsburg 'king' and the other being a catholic bishop, also a top ally.

A handful of other witnesses had their testimonies extracted by torture and were executed soon after. The questionable language of the documents, discrepancies in the testimonies, evidence of collusion, political motives and the fact that normal legal procedures that applied weren't followed were noted by the researcher.

Soon afterwards, between the Habsburgs and the Vatican, Hungary was gradually totally destroyed from inside and out over the course of the next 500 years.

Source (in Hungarian):

Found an interesting tidbit here: Origin of the Székelys - Wikipedia

"Some scholars (especially Gyula László and Pál Engel) say that the Székelys are the direct descendants of the "Late Avar" population of the region. The "Late Avar" period started around 700 A.D., and lasted for about a century. Artifacts (mostly buckles and strap ends) decorated with floral patterns and griffins are the most featured items of the assemblages for this period. László and Engel attribute this new archaeological horizon to a group of Onogurs who had fled from the Pontic steppes to the West after the Khazars destroyed their empire around 680"
 

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Elizabeth Bathory was a Jew.
I just want to correct that statement. Elizabeth Bathory was NOT a jew. I almost made a thread on this topic (Elizabeth Bathory) when I discovered it upon doing some research but didn't have time for it and other subjects became more relevant.

What prompted me to look into this was the fact that I was aware that the Habsburgs controlled the country at the time and to my knowledge, the Bathory family were fighting to get Hungary back under Magyar control and leadership.

In a nutshell, the Bathory family were a Székely (Saka, Siculi) family from the local royal bloodlines. Hungary was already under almost TOTAL Habsburg (Fugger) control by that time and the wealthy Bathory family stood in their way of clinching that control. They had to think of a way to eliminate their key opposition and this was done by creating a 'legal' court case with the accusations now known as 'history'. It was further followed up with the usual divide and conquer tactics.

When looking into this, I found a document that was written by a university student for his PHD. He took the time and went through all the old records and upon doing so, discovered that the whole case rested on just 2 witnesses, one of them a top ally of the Habsburg 'king' and the other being a catholic bishop, also a top ally.

A handful of other witnesses had their testimonies extracted by torture and were executed soon after. The questionable language of the documents, discrepancies in the testimonies, evidence of collusion, political motives and the fact that normal legal procedures that applied weren't followed were noted by the researcher.

Soon afterwards, between the Habsburgs and the Vatican, Hungary was gradually totally destroyed from inside and out over the course of the next 500 years.

Source (in Hungarian):

Found an interesting tidbit here: Origin of the Székelys - Wikipedia

"Some scholars (especially Gyula László and Pál Engel) say that the Székelys are the direct descendants of the "Late Avar" population of the region. The "Late Avar" period started around 700 A.D., and lasted for about a century. Artifacts (mostly buckles and strap ends) decorated with floral patterns and griffins are the most featured items of the assemblages for this period. László and Engel attribute this new archaeological horizon to a group of Onogurs who had fled from the Pontic steppes to the West after the Khazars destroyed their empire around 680"
That is not the interesting tidbit. They give it to you right up front;

"Scholarly theories about the origin of the Székelys (a subgroup of the Hungarian people) can be divided into four main groups. Medieval chronicles unanimously stated that the Székelys were descended from the Huns and settled in the Carpathian Basin centuries before the Hungarians (or Magyars) conquered the territory in the late 9th century. This theory is refuted by most modern specialists. According to a widely accepted modern hypothesis, the Székelys were originally a Turkic people who joined the Magyars in the Pontic steppes. Other scholars say, the Székelys were descended from the border guards of the Kingdom of Hungary who settled in the easternmost region of the Carpathian Basin and preserved their special privileges for centuries. According to a fourth theory, the Székelys' origin can be traced back to the Late Avar population of the Carpathian Basin. "

The highlighted part is the truth. As we know, history started being falsified at a great pace in the 1800's.

And;

There are ... in Transylvania, privileged nobles called Scythuli, originating from the Scythian people when they first came to Pannonia, whom we call by a corrupt name: Székely. They enjoy quite different laws and customs; they are very skilled in warfare; and divide up and distribute inheritances and offices among themselves by tribes and kindreds and the lineages of kindreds, in the manner of the ancients.
— Tripartitum
[9]
According to my research into this, the so called Siculi, Saka are most likely the royal line of the Scythians. The term Székely is very close to Székhely (one letter being omitted), which in today's Hungarian language means Place of the Throne. So this would indicate, as Medieval chronicles unanimously stated. that the Scythian origin is the true one. Hence why they were able to keep their original language mostly intact while other Scythian nations of Europe (Celts, Gauls, Iberians, etc.) lost theirs due to earlier conquests leading to systematic erasure of their histories and being assimilated into the so-called 'Roman Empire'.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEt6C3vjrow

The intent of these series is to expose a sort of "chronology of trolls/propaganda" from Joseph Justus Scaliger to Edward Louis Bernays.

Many of the connections are detailed here (TheBrain).

Jacob Bernays, grandfather of Edward Louis Bernays, "father of propaganda", wrote Joseph Justus Scaliger's ("father of chronology") biography, printed in Berlin in 1855. Not much information on Scaliger is available before this biography.

In the "Dictionnaire historique et critique" of Pierre Bayle, a biographical dictionary published in 1697, Scaliger was not included.
Thomas Birch and John Peter Bernard introduced Scaliger in his edition, the "General Dictionary, Historical and Critical" published from 1734 to 1741 in London in 10 volumes. They both became fellows of the Royal Society thanks to their contributions on this books.
Volume 9 of this edition is the only one (at the time of this interview) not available online, and it contains informations on the Scaliger family.

Julius Caesar "Scaliger" Bordone, father of Joseph Justus Scaliger, was said to be descended from the ancient princes of Verona, but in reality was the son of Benedetto Bordone, a Paduan schoolmaster who took the name of Scaliger. Julius Caesar Scaliger claimed his origins were confirmed by the historian Paulus Aemilius Veronensis, who found documents related to his family in Bavaria.
Caspar Schoppe denounced the "findings" of Paulus Aemilius Veronensis as an imposture, and claimed that Paulus Aemilius Veronensis had never existed.

From Fomenko's "History: Fiction or Science?": "The Bible lists a great many geographical locations that the People of Israel visited during their 40 years of wandering after the Exodus from “Egypt.” The archaeologists still fail to find these locations where the Scaligerian history places their Biblical descriptions. Wright says that “few sites on the way to Mount Sinai can be identified with any degree of certainty” (quoted in [444], page 128). V. Stade wrote that: “checking the itinerary of Israel has as much sense as, say, tracking the way of the Burgundians’ return from King Etzel as described in the Nibelungenlied.” The Egyptologist W. Spielberg quotes this statement, saying that “we can still sign under every word of Stade’s” and that “the depiction of events following the Exodus, the listing of the sites where stops were made, the crossing of the desert – all of this is fiction” (quoted in [444], page 132). Many sites that were considered to have been on the itinerary of the Israelis have been excavated thoroughly and intensively for a long time now. No traces have ever been found! The Biblical account of the destruction of Jericho is well known. One of the Arabic settlements in the Middle East had been arbitrarily identified with the Biblican Jericho whose walls were destroyed by the sounds of the horn. The settlement has been subject to thorough excavations since the endeavours of Sellin, Watzinger, and Garstang in late XIX century. There were no results obtained."

John Garstang was the founder of the British School of Archaeology in Jerusalem, now known as the Kenyon Institute, with Israel Gollancz, nephew of Victor Gollancz, printer for the Fabian Society, Aldous Huxley and the MKULTRA project.
History has been set and solidified during the British Empire rule back in the 1870s, from where these societies had sprung from. There is an interest to set the stage for a biblical history built upon Scaliger's "work". Frederic George Kenyon was president of the British academy, just as Arthur James Balfour, responsible for the Balfour Declaration.

About biblical archeology, William Matthew Flinders Petrie, founder of the British School of Archaeology in Egypt in 1905, translated the Famine Stela, which supposedly states the first mention of Israel, but his translation is highly questionable.
William Matthew Flinders Petrie was the teacher of Margaret Alice Murray and Gerald Lankester Harding. Harding worked in the team guided by Roland Guérin de Vaux for the recovery of the fraudolent Dead Sea Scrolls, which are the basis for the localization of biblical Israel in Palestine.

Finally some funny anecdotes of Scaliger's life which show how this character was.
I listened to those podcasts when I was following up on Fomenko research a couple of years ago. It became pretty much evident that even the fabricators of our history were to some extent fabricated.
 
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I listened to those podcasts when I was following up on Fomenko research a couple of years ago. It became pretty much evident that even the fabricators of our history were to some extent fabricated.
In my opinion there were two waves of fabrication. The first in the 16th century (probably) and the second starting in the 18th and continuing till now. Their relation is unclear to me though. The roots of the most important contemporary families seem to go back to the 16th century, therefore they could have a part in that first wave as well. All is pretty much confusing at this point though. The question is "who is who?"
 

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I listened to those podcasts when I was following up on Fomenko research a couple of years ago. It became pretty much evident that even the fabricators of our history were to some extent fabricated.
In my opinion there were two waves of fabrication. The first in the 16th century (probably) and the second starting in the 18th and continuing till now. Their relation is unclear to me though. The roots of the most important contemporary families seem to go back to the 16th century, therefore they could have a part in that first wave as well. All is pretty much confusing at this point though. The question is "who is who?"
In my headcanon it was two main factions of generally the same kind of people - one was Vatican and all it's branches, the other one is Freemasons/Illuminati, the second one became prominent about the time they merged in the end of 18th century. The Illuminati fully took over after WW2 in the 1960s/70s (I think it was after the death of Pope Pius XII) and began it's final course of destruction and propaganda
 

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This theory is refuted by most modern specialists
This is usually the case with peoples, who claim Scythian origin, which is quite an extensive list:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOM2fT6tBFE&list=PLru9zi8j7G3Nsz03pkBzFdv_1tRxdCMJo&index=1&ab_channel=AshaLogos
I like this channel, I've followed him on and off for some time. I especially like the idea he put forth in this video;

The Launch of 'The Phoenix Project'

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiSXX00X4NE


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I listened to those podcasts when I was following up on Fomenko research a couple of years ago. It became pretty much evident that even the fabricators of our history were to some extent fabricated.
In my opinion there were two waves of fabrication. The first in the 16th century (probably) and the second starting in the 18th and continuing till now. Their relation is unclear to me though. The roots of the most important contemporary families seem to go back to the 16th century, therefore they could have a part in that first wave as well. All is pretty much confusing at this point though. The question is "who is who?"
I have found the same regarding the centuries mentioned however, I found it to be that same 'families' from the 16th century on. They were already working at it prior to that, but they hadn't managed to take over the influence over all the original 'aristocracies', so as this proceeded, the falsifications gradually became more organized and effective.

This is why you hardly find any 'documents' from the previous centuries. As they gained control over a nation, their history went up in one big bonfire (or a bunch of smaller ones). The 16th century spelled the true beginning of the end for Europeans (the descendants of the Scythians).

To follow the threads right from Babylon to Rome to today, just follow the money and the picture becomes clear. Even a family like the Habsburgs (considered to be the masters of Europe for a time) were funded and thereby controlled by the Fuggers.

All the 'emperors' needed money to run their empires, to conquer. Armies of mercenaries cost money and those with the money moved them from empire to empire. At the fall of each empire the people lost and the financiers become more powerful. Naturally, history was destroyed every step of the way.

To get certain countries, tribes, cultures to fight their own kind, the divide and conquer tactic continuously worked wonders. Deception was always the key aspect of war.
 

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Yes I agree with you overall, but I'm not so sure about the Habsburgs, even though I cannot explain my thought in a proper manner because I've not cleared my mind yet.
 

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