SH Archive Meta history - Who provides the data? OP Username
Feralimal OP Date
2019-08-28 21:45:40 Reaction Score
12 Reply Count


Active member
Trusted Member
Aug 31, 2020
Reaction score
If you search for who has the largest old map collection, you may be directed to David Rumsey's at: David Rumsey Historical Map Collection | The Collection.

When you look into who David Rumsey is though:
David Rumsey - Wikipedia

the second para reads as follows:
"Rumsey has a Bachelor of Arts and a Master of Fine Arts from Yale University and was a founding member of Yale Research Associates in the Arts also known as PULSA, a group of artists working with electronic technologies. He was also a 1966 initiate into the Skull and Bones Society,[1] before becoming Associate Director of the American Society for Eastern Arts in San Francisco. Later, he entered a 20-year career in real estate development and finance during which he had a long association with Charles Feeney's General Atlantic Holding Company of New York and served as President and Director of several of its real estate subsidiaries; General Atlantic eventually became the Atlantic Philanthropies, a Bermuda-based philanthropic foundation that is one of the world's largest charities."

So, he's a Yaley bonesman, who founded a research group of artists working with electronic media, and now has the largest old map collection in the world. The implications of this sort of thing does NOT warm the cockles of my heart when it comes to being able to trust historical data.

I'm new to this site, but is this info well known? Should we trust this source?
Post automatically merged:

I know it's probably bad form to respond to one's own thread, but I thought perhaps it would be useful to explain specifically what the implications are.

* This guy owns loads of old maps.
* He puts them online and makes them available for free.
* He is likely directly connected to those groups that appear to be running the show.
* He appers to be somewhat of pioneer of electronic technologies.
* He managed a group of artists that used electronic technologies.
* He has serious financial resources.

Putting all this together could mean that he could literally alter the maps of the historical terrain.

If, 30 years ago, he wanted to add references to a place that didn't exist on maps in 1980, he could do so. He could remove places. Merge maps. Copy the style of one map and create a new one. Etc, etc.

This case is plain to follow, and the implications are serious.

One question is how much more of this sort of thing goes on. It would surely not be an isolated case. It would extend to other maps, photos, books etc - any digital sources can only be trusted so far.

The concern I have is that if this sort of thing is happening - and it certainly seems like a plausible hypothesis - it does have repurcussions for us. How much should we trust this data? How much are we following a trail that has been set out for us to find?
Note: This OP was recovered from the Wayback Archive.
Note: Archived replies to this OP: Meta history - Who provides the data?
Similar threads
Thread starter Title Forum Replies Date
Silveryou Hidden History: Russian past in the Middle East. Famous Personalities 9
Will Scarlet The Decolonisation of History General 8
dreamtime Stolen History - Lifting the Veil of Deception (Part 1) Announcements 31
pushamaku Our Subverted History by Asha Logos (video series) Folklore, Psychology, Art and Myths 4
A History of Britain - a new version Folklore, Psychology, Art and Myths 13
B Alexander Koltypin research on ancient human history General 11
MgvdT Cracks in history: Leaning Tower of Nevyansk General 3
B Alternative history of agriculture (a must see documentary) Folklore, Psychology, Art and Myths 4
SonofaBor The Battle of the Gods: Stolen History in Reports from inside the American Revolt General 183
torgo A Celtic/Basque Civilization Erased from History? General 28
liqouriceandhorses The Church stole much of our History. General 12
ParadigmThreat "I never cared much for studying Human History until I realized it was all lies" Alternative History Community 16
Z A brief history of Variolation and Vaccination methods of inoculation Historic Epidemics 5
sandokhan New radical chronology of history General 63
6079SmithW History of the Bicycle Investigation Requests 39
SonofaBor Letters to History Teachers: An Open Invitation General 12
Coulness Scottish history, part of the persecution General 48
JWW427 Hidden History of the Vatican General 7
H Hello! I want to give you the real topics about the Bible and Bulgarian history Famous Personalities 1
Tetrahedra The Making-of our HIStory General 66
A The Bible - History of the Balkans (end of imperors) (part 8) Fires and Earthquakes 1
JWW427 History of the Swastika Symbology 13
JWW427 Is mainstream academia finally coming to terms with forbidden history? General 23
Archive SH Archive Doppelgangers throughout History Unmatched 3
Archive SH Archive The history of monsters. Ulisse Aldrovandi Bologna, 1642 Unmatched 0
Archive SH Archive The dark history of the mask General 0
Archive SH Archive St. Catherine's Hill, Winchester - has a strange history ? Buildings and Structures 0
Archive SH Archive Magnetism through History General 0
Archive SH Archive Personal Airships, The History of Balloons, and the First US Air Mail Delivery General 0
H Some Criticisms and Questions I Have Regarding Alternative History Theories/Theorists Ask an Expert 103
Catalyst History of alternative energy: Fireplace (by tech_dancer) ( mirror) General 21
feralimal Stolen History research, KorbenDallas (KD) focus. General 204
JWW427 History of Time General 4
F Pliny's Natural History General 10
Archive SH Archive Do we really learn from the history? (And plans of TPTB) General 3
Archive SH Archive Local History Investigation Requests 1
Archive SH Archive Coping with the Truth Of Antiquity / Stolen History / Lost History / Lost World General 0
Archive SH Archive High Strangeness of Fossil Fuel Formation & Consumption: Part One: Does history even exist??? General 3
Timeshifter SH Archive Archaeology shock: Ancient settlement discovery in Florida changes course of US history General 0
JWW427 SH Archive Unprecedented World Heatwave Reveals Ancient History in Britain General 0
Curious SH Archive Swedish schools to erase ancient history from history class General 0
JWW427 SH Archive Reset Civilization Mudflood Mystery History Buildings and Structures 0
Timeshifter SH Archive Smithsonian Magazine Secrets of American History General 0
Timeshifter SH Archive Greater Adria - history of lost continent buried beneath Europe General 0
KD Archive SH Archive 19th century: Underground City in Turkmenistan and the fake Caspian Sea History Unmatched 0
Archive SH Archive Field Museum of Natural History, Chicago, Illinois 1921 Buildings and Structures 0
KD Archive SH Archive Victoria, BC or BS: real history buried in 20 feet of dirt Mud Flood and Dust Storm Theory 0
Timeshifter SH Archive What is the real history of Modern Sports? General 0
KD Archive SH Archive Hypothesis: Mutiny in the Sky or the Short History of the World General 2
Archive SH Archive Forgotten History of Whitworth Valley, Lancashire, UK.. General 0

Similar threads

Users who are viewing this thread