Square Earth Cosmology

[KindnessOfStrangers]

Hi all.

I've come to believe the reason that globe earth vs flat earth discussions go round in circles, is because both models have merits and both models have flaws.
This results in an endless loop of claiming and debunking.

Perhaps neither the globe nor the circle are correct?

I am aware of other models (hollow, concave etc.), but I believe they too are not a perfect representation.


So, what is left?

Square earth is not a new concept. The Chinese, for instance, having adopted it for centuries (possibly millennia?) prior to the arrival of the Jesuits in the late 1500's.
“The Way of the Heaven is called the Round, The Way of the Earth is called the Square.”
(Interestingly, the Freemason's logo also appears to be a square under a circle )


I recently came across a video from youtube channel 'Beyond Flat Earth' which piqued my interest as being a possible alternative.

They demonstrate the earth as being flat, stationary, geocentric, bi-polar, stereographic and probably most radically, looping at the borders.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YPUROXimwXc


It goes without saying that any proposed model / theory about the earth's shape and dimensions must be 100% workable with 0% flaws to be considered true. Perhaps this fits the bill?

Keen to hear if anyone else has seen this concept before, or has any observations or critiques?

Cheers.

 

[sekito]

We have many threads in the forum on flat-earth, concave earth etc. already; I’m not sure we need another one. But I agree with you that the current view on flat vs globe is too limited. The following is something I’ve posted some time ago in another thread:

Personally, I think most people who thinks about this to be too limited in their conception of space and reality. Whether you agree with Einstein or not(Einstein simply got his “theory” from copying others after all), it is conceivable that reality is not limited to 3 dimensions. When physicists talk about space(or space time, which I personally disagree with) curvature, they are conceiving of a 4-dimensional universe. Therefore descriptions of 3-dimensional objects like round or flat are inadequate to describe Earth which is (at least) 4 dimensional.

In my view, the Earth is both round and flat simultaneously depending on one’s position and perspective(on Earth’s surface=flat vs. far away from it=round) - this is possible when we do not limit ourselves to a 3-dimensional world. (Note: I consider the possibility of it being a flat torus to be highly likely, so in a way, it can also be said to be ‘hollow’). Similarly, the Earth is both static and in motion depending on how you conceive it (Mach’s principle). It is my belief that all cosmic objects are stationary in the absolute reference frame, and it is the space(or ether) that is changing between them, i.e. if the space between two object diminishes, then the distance and angle would change accordingly (due to what we call ‘gravity’), thus giving rise to the illusion/sensation of movement. To clarify, my view is that both Heliocentrism and Geocentrism are ulimately incorrect, as they are both illusions due to the changes in space, and not truly ‘movement‘ of cosmic objects.

If I understand it correctly, the ‘stereographic’ conception posits the sun sinks into the earth; that is already a contradiction with reality as the sun is always visible in different parts of the earth; unless it’s suggesting every person sees their own sun? If that is the case, I think the question of the Earth’s shape is not even that important since everything is just imaginary.

 

[KindnessOfStrangers]

We have many threads in the forum on flat-earth, concave earth etc. already; I’m not sure we need another one. But I agree with you that the current view on flat vs globe is too limited. The following is something I’ve posted some time ago in another thread:



If I understand it correctly, the ‘stereographic’ conception posits the sun sinks into the earth; that is already a contradiction with reality as the sun is always visible in different parts of the earth; unless it’s suggesting every person sees their own sun? If that is the case, I think the question of the Earth’s shape is not even that important since everything is just imaginary.

Thanks for your reply.
You sound smart.

Yes, that's exactly what they propose.
That we're living in a simulation whereby every person sees their own sun and if you go straight long enough, you'll end up where you were.

They're heavily influenced by Enoch cosmology.

 

[Makenzy]

That map is wrong, you can not go through the bering strait, any map that you see where the landmasses of america and asia are connected through the bering strait you must know that it is wrong.


View: https://youtu.be/yZozCF-_gIU

 

[KindnessOfStrangers]

That map is wrong, you can not go through the bering strait, any map that you see where the landmasses of america and asia are connected through the bering strait you must know that it is wrong.


View: https://youtu.be/yZozCF-_gIU

I believe that map is just an approximation.
Also, I can't see America and Asia being connected. Am I missing something?

Thanks, I'll watch the vid. Always keen to explore new concepts.

 

[Makenzy]

I believe that map is just an approximation.
Also, I can't see America and Asia being connected. Am I missing something?

Thanks, I'll watch the vid. Always keen to explore new concepts.

What i mean IS that there IS no such thing as Bering strait, you can not go through boat easily from Alaska to Kamchatka, and also you shouldnt trust the time of the planes they can change their speeds easily, you only should take into account if the route IS in straight line with the scales.

 

[KindnessOfStrangers]

What i mean IS that there IS no such thing as Bering strait, you can not go through boat easily from Alaska to Kamchatka, and also you shouldnt trust the time of the planes they can change their speeds easily, you only should take into account if the route IS in straight line with the scales.

Thanks. Do you have any more info on this?
Is it in the vid you posted?

In hindsight, I probably didn't need to create a new thread for this but it seemed distinct enough to warrant it.

 

[Tsigan]

Wow according to g¨¨gle and "rome2rio" it takes 2 - 3 days. DAYS to fly either way from siberia to alaska or alaska to siberian side.

 

[Makenzy]

Thanks. Do you have any more info on this?
Is it in the vid you posted?

In hindsight, I probably didn't need to create a new thread for this but it seemed distinct enough to warrant it.

I posted in Both flat earth and crater earth

 

[KindnessOfStrangers]

I posted in Both flat earth and crater earth

I'm curious, how densely formulated is this theory?
Does it have explanations for observable reality like how the sun, stars, seasons etc work?
Is there an ice wall or similar?
Can't seem to tell.

thanks

 

[Makenzy]

I'm curious, how densely formulated is this theory?
Does it have explanations for observable reality like how the sun, stars, seasons etc work?
Is there an ice wall or similar?
Can't seem to tell.

thanks

Check the channels of YouTube: Godgevlamste, Radiation Matters and Crater Earth Research for more info

 

[Quiahuitl]

how densely formulated is this theory?

This is such a good way of putting it!

I've spent the last few years trying to get advocates for the spinning ball model to explain precisely how their model works, and no-one seems to know. I've got one friend who has an astrophysics degree and another who has just retired from a career as a university lecturer in astrophysics, and neither of them seems to be able to explain the simple movements of the Sun and Moon using the Copernican model.

 

[Makenzy]

This is such a good way of putting it!

I've spent the last few years trying to get advocates for the spinning ball model to explain precisely how their model works, and no-one seems to know. I've got one friend who has an astrophysics degree and another who has just retired from a career as a university lecturer in astrophysics, and neither of them seems to be able to explain the simple movements of the Sun and Moon using the Copernican mode

The most probable answer IS that we live in an infinite stationary plane like a board of a videogame and inside the infinite plane there are ponds surrounded by ice walls

 

[KindnessOfStrangers]

Check the channels of YouTube: Godgevlamste, Radiation Matters and Crater Earth Research for more info

Thanks, I'll look into them.

I was just using that ports.com site...
So, it seems there isn't a single route you can enter that crosses the International Date Line, even a short Sydney to Honolulu, hence all the weird roundabout routes.

But ships can and do obviously sail across the pacific, yeah?
What am I missing?

 

[Makenzy]

Thanks, I'll look into them.

I was just using that ports.com site...
So, it seems there isn't a single route you can enter that crosses the International Date Line, even a short Sydney to Honolulu, hence all the weird roundabout routes.

But ships can and do obviously sail across the pacific, yeah?
What am I missing?

Check the video that i posted.
The ships dont go through the pacific they go through Panamá canal

 

[KindnessOfStrangers]

Check the video that i posted.
The ships dont go through the pacific they go through Panamá canal

Yeah I watched the vid, and I see on that site that routes go through the Panama canal and not the IDL.
But in reality, ships do cross the IDL in the Pacific all the time, don't they? Cruise ships, amateur sailors etc.

I'm confused, does CE theory say that's it's not possible to cross the IDL by sea?

 

[Makenzy]

Yeah I watched the vid, and I see on that site that routes go through the Panama canal and not the IDL.
But in reality, ships do cross the IDL in the Pacific all the time, don't they? Cruise ships, amateur sailors etc.

I'm confused, does CE theory say that's it's not possible to cross the IDL by sea?

But... From where do they Cross It? What routes do they follow?
I dont know but the all the naval routes tend to avoid to Cross the pacific from what I know.

 

[KindnessOfStrangers]

But... From where do they Cross It? What routes do they follow?
I dont know but the all the naval routes tend to avoid to Cross the pacific from what I know.

Surely you can either cross it or you can't.

Is the theory that you physically can't cross it, at least in parts, and if so, why not?

 

[Makenzy]

Surely you can either cross it or you can't.

Is the theory that you physically can't cross it, at least in parts, and if so, why not?

Maybe because there are 2 pacifics One for each day zone?

 

[KindnessOfStrangers]

Maybe because there are 2 pacifics One for each day zone?

Cruise ships sail east from Sydney to Honolulu via the Pacific islands and through the IDL.

On the crater earth model, it looks like there's a barrier off the east coast of Australia preventing this route, which conflicts with reality.

I'm not being antagonistic, just trying to make sense of it.