SH Archive "Tartare sauce" - did it come from Tartaria / Tartary?

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[PARSEHTML]Having recently stumbled across the subject of this legendary place called Tartaria or Tartary, the funny thing is that the first thing that sprung to mind was the origin of 'tartare sauce' - a condiment that I do occasionally enjoy with fish dishes.<br/>
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A quick Google search tells us courtesy of well-respected informational source Wikipedia (sarcasm mode on!)<br/>
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Tartar sauce is a condiment primarily composed of mayonnaise and finely chopped capers. Tartar sauce can also be enhanced with the addition of gherkins, other varieties of pickles, and lemon juice as well as herbs such as dill and parsley.
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</blockquote>A little bit of further digging brings up:<br/>
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<div style="text-align: center"><span style="font-size: 15px"><b>History and etymology</b></span><br/>
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<a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Poland.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Polish</a> tartar sauce on a <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Sweden.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Swedish</a> <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Supermarket.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">supermarket</a> shelf<br/>
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The sauce and its name have been found in cookbooks since the 19th century. The name derives from the <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/French_cuisine.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">French</a> <i>sauce tartare</i>, named after the <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Tatars.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Tatars</a> (Ancient spelling in French of the ethnic group: Tartare) from the <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Eurasian_Steppe.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Eurasian Steppe</a>, who once occupied <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Ukraine.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Ukraine</a> and parts of <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Russia.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Russia</a>.<a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Tartar_Sauce.html#cite_note-5" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">[5]</a><br/>
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Although it is unlikely that the Tatars ever made or consumed Tartar sauce, the actual origin of the sauce is indeed found East of France, which may have inspired the confusing name. In Turkey and the Levant, a condiment known as <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Tarator.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">tarator</a> has traditionally been used as a condiment to fried sea food. Turkish and Levantine tarator is usually a sauce based on <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Tahini.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">tahini</a>, not mayonnaise or aioli, but in regards to being a creamy, tangy accompaniment to fried fish and/or seafood, it is extremely similar to tartar sauce. The fact that tartar sauce made its first appearance in Western European cuisine in the mid 1800s coincides with a period of <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Orientalism.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Orientalism</a> (during which various aspects of Middle Eastern culture were glorified and absorbed by Western European cultures) lending credence to the idea that tartar sauce was adopted by France from the Arabic world.
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</blockquote>From: <a class="link link--external" href="https://href.li/?https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Tartar_Sauce.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Tartar sauce</a><br/>
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Obviously 'official sources' (or is that 'sauces'?) are hinting at some kind of link with the speculated location of Tartary / Tartaria (Russia). I just find it interesting that something quite as obvious as this is staring us in the face, but is being simultaneously dismissed as being not what we might think.<br/>
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"East of France" could of course refer to most places. I do find the reference that this sauce first appeared in Western Europe "in the mid 1800s" interesting considering other threads here detailing the 'loss of history' around that time.<br/>
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