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TARTARY
"Tartary, a vast country in the northern parts of Asia, bounded by Siberia on the north and west: this is called Great Tartary. The Tartars who lie south of Muscovy and Siberia, are those of Astracan, Circassia, and Dagistan, situated north-west of the Caspian-sea; the Calmuc Tartars, who lie between Siberia and the Caspian-sea; the Usbec Tartars and Moguls, who lie north of Persia and India; and lastly, those of Tibet, who lie north-west of China." - Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. III, Edinburgh, 1771, p. 887.

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Now compare to the description given by Wikipedia, "Tartary (Latin: Tartaria) or Great Tartary (Latin: Tartaria Magna) was a name used from the Middle Ages until the twentieth century to designate the great tract of northern and central Asia stretching from the Caspian Sea and the Ural Mountains to the Pacific Ocean, settled mostly by Turko-Mongol peoples after the Mongol invasion and the subsequent Turkic migrations."

1701: A System of Geography
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Empires, Kingdoms and States

Tartary was not a tract. It was a country.
And to add some credibility (or to take away some) to the story, below you can find an excerpt from the CIA document declassified in 1998, and created in 1957.

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Link to the document on the CIA website: NATIONAL CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT UNDER COMMUNISM

Today, we have certain appearance related stereotypes. I think we are very much off there. It looks like Tartary was multi-religious, and multi-cultural. One of the reasons I think so is the tremendous disparity between what leaders like Genghis Khan, Batu Khan, Timur aka Tamerlane looked like to the contemporary artists vs. the appearance attributed to them today.

Today: Genghis Khan - Batu Khan - Timur
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Here is how 15-18th century books saw these three

Genghis Khan

with wife here
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Timur - Tamerlane
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Batu Khan
Well, I could not find any 17th/18th century Batu Khan images, but apparently in Turkey we have a few busts of the following Gentlemen. Batu Khan is one of them.

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A few of them I do not know, but the ones I do look nothing like what I was taught at school. Also dates are super bizarre on those plaques. Do Turks know something we don't?


The other reason why I think Tartary had to be multi-religious, and multi-cultural is its vastness during various moments in time. For example in 1652 Tartary appears to have control over the North America.

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Related thread: 16th century Tartarian King Tartarrax ruled Quivira Regnum in North America

The Coverup
The official history is hiding a major world power which existed as late as the 19th century. Tartary was a country with its own flag, its own government and its own place on the map. Its territory was huge, but somehow quietly incorporated into Russia, and some other countries. This country you can find on the maps predating the second half of the 19th century.

Ngram by Google Books shows how Tartary was quietly put away.
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Yet, some time in the 18th century Tartary Muskovite was the biggest country in the world: 3,050,000 square miles.

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Some of the maps showing Tartary

1584 - ortelius-russland-tartaren-reich-nordwesten-usa.jpg 1680 -Tartary-China-Russia-Japan-De-Wit.jpg 1684_tartary.jpg 1707 guillaume de l'ile.jpg 1714 Mappe-Monde ou Carte Universelle.jpg 1753 Mappa Mundi generalis.jpg 1754 I-e Carte de l’Asie.jpg 1806-Herisson-37-grand-tartary.jpg 1820_tartary.jpg great_tartarie_1.jpg great_tartarie_2.jpg great_tartarie_3.jpg great_tartarie.jpg great_tartarie_4.jpg great_tartarie_5.jpg tartaria_map_x_1.jpg tartaria_map_x_2.jpg tartaria_map_x_3.jpg tartaria_map_x_4.jpg tartaria_map_x_5.jpg

Tartary had its own language, flag, crest, its own emperor, and of course its own people.

The Language

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Source

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The Kings of Tartary
Genealogy Of The Former Tartar Emperors
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Descended From Genghiscan

Genealogie Des Anciens Empereurs Tartares, Descendus De Genghiscan-1.jpg
Genealogie Des Anciens Empereurs Tartares, Descendus De Genghiscan-2.jpg
Family tree of the descendants of Ghengis Khan, with a map showing the Tartar Empire.
Source - Source - Source

The people of Tartary.
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The flag and crest of Tartary had an owl depicted on it. The emperor's flag contained a griffin on a yellow background.

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There were multiple publications listing the country of Tartary and its flag/crest. Some of those publications came out as late as 1865.

Tartary was not China
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Flags_of_all_nations_1865_1.jpg Flags_of_all_nations_1865.jpg 1276px-Bowles's_naval_flags_of_the_world,_1783.jpg tartary_flag_1.jpg tartary_flag_3.jpg

What do we really know?
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It is also worth mentioning that in the British Flag Table of 1783, there are three different flags listed as a flag of the Tsar of Moscow. There is also an Imperial Flag of Russia as well as multiple naval flags. And all of them are proceeded by a flag of the Viceroy of Russia.

Significance of the Viceroy is in the definition of the term. A viceroy is a regal official who runs a country, colony, city, province, or sub-national state, in the name of and as the representative of the monarch of the territory. Our official history will probably say that it was the Tsar of Russia who would appoint a viceroy of Moscow. I have reasons to doubt that.

Why is the flag of the Viceroy of Moscow positioned prior to any other Russian flag? Could it be that the Viceroy of Moscow was superior to its Czar, and was "supervising" how this Tartarian possession was being run?

There is a growing opinion in Russia that French invasion of Russia played out according to a different scenario. The one where Tsar Alexander I, and Napoleon were on the same side. Together they fought against Tartary. Essentially France and Saint Petersburg against Moscow (Tartary). And there is a strong circumstantial evidence to support such a theory.

Questions to Answer
1. Saint Petersburg was the capitol of Russia. Yet Napoleon chose to attack Moscow. Why?

2. It appears that in 1912 there was a totally different recollection of the events of 1812. How else could you explain commemorative 1912 medals honoring Napoleon?

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And specifically the one with Alexander I, and Napoleon on the same medal. The below medal says something similar to, "Strength is in the unity: will of God, firmness of royalty, love for homeland and people"

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I have hard time imagining the below two guys on the same medal in "Love and Unity"...

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3. Similarity between Russian and French uniforms. There are more different uniforms involved, but the idea remains, they were ridiculously similar.

How did they fight each other in the dark?
Russia: Regular Army
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France: Regular Army
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There was one additional combat asset officially available to Russians in the war of 1812. And that was the Militia. It does appear that this so-called Militia, was in reality the army of Tartary fighting against Napoleon and Alexander I.

Russian Volunteer/Militia Units... Tartarians?
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More on uniforms: Uniforms: Old World Order vs. New World Order
4. Russian nobility in Saint Petersburg spoke French well into the second half of the 19th century. The general explanation was, that it was the trend of time and fashion. Google contains multiple opinions on the matter.
  • Following the same logic, USA, Britain and Russia should've picked up German after the victory in WW2.
5. This one I just ran into: 19th-century fans were totally into a Napoleon/Alexander romance

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American Tartary
The jury is still out on this one, but there are some indicators that Tartary was present on the North American continent as well. There obviously are no official historical accounts, but some bits and pieces of info suggest just that.
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I think there is enough circumstantial evidence to justify a deeper look into who fought who, and why this Tartary country is so little known about.
  • And the main question out of this all should be what is the purpose of misleading generations of people? It appears there is something tremendously serious hidden in our recent history.


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Thank you for your post!

Back when the old site was online, I've always wanted to reply to this thread but never got to it. Might as well place it now.

WHAT DO THE DUTCH THINK?

Who cares, right? Well this time you might, since we wrote some stuff about Tartary.

Source: Gedenkwaerdig bedryf der Nederlandsche Oost-Indische maetschappye, op de kuste en in het keizerrijk van Taising of Sina: behelzende het tweede gezandschap aen den onder-koning Singlamong en veldheer Taising Lipoui; door Jan van Kampen en Konstantyn Nobel. Vervolgt met een verhael van het voorgevallen des jaers zestien hondert drie ein vier en zestig, op de kust van Sina, en ontrent d'eilanden Tayowan, Formosa, Ay en Quemuy, onder 't gezag van Balthasar Bort: en het derde gezandschap aen Konchy, Tartarsche keizer van Sina en Oost-Tartarye: onder beleit van Zijne Ed. Pieter van Hoorn. Beneffens een beschryving van geheel Sina. Verciert doorgaens met verscheide kopere platen : Dapper, Olfert, 1639-1689 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

''Gedenkwaerdig bedryf der Nederlandche Oost-indische Maatschattpye etc.''

For the non Dutchies here: basicly we are sending an envoy to Konchy (the new emperor of Eastern Tartary and China) to get the following:

1) That the Dutch with as many ships as they deem nessacery, sail to and freely trade within Tayzing.

2) That the Dutch ships from Quantung, Singcheu, Hokfieuw, Ningpo and Hangkfieuw are allowed to trade.

3) That the Dutch are allowed to trade with whomever, without being forced to pay extra or having a chance it gets confestated.

4) That the silk and the silk fabrics will be allowed to be bought and sold by the Dutch to everyone, except to the specific ''enemies'' of the emperor. Of which the ambassador should inform the Dutch, for they want to completely abide the will of the emperor.

5) That whenever Dutch ships arrive, they can freely bargain and leave whenever desired.

6) That at any time all the Dutch are allowed to buy food and supplies, and transport them to their ships.

7) That the Dutch are always allowed to hire capable living stock, to stay at and safe their wares. Preferably in a fire proof area.

8) That the points mentioned have to be ratified with a letter and seal from the emperor himself


The book contains 3 envoys, as the first 2 never reached emperor Konchy himself.


The book also includes a description of the places visited, along with the lay out, animals, housing, religion etc.


I will update this post later on.

Have a great day!
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