The solar system: Our view from here

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Although not strictly stolen history, the narratives of the sky have been obscured and stolen, and the skies do come up in discussions here. I thought that given that I have taken these images, I ought to share them with the community, to at least allow us all a view of the solar system as viewed from earth, with equipment available to anyone. Nothing is obscured here, no trickery, just images as I take them, observed mostly from my back garden in Yorkshire.

All images are taken by me. All the images, kit, edit, everything, no one else has been involved in any stage of the creation of these images. For clarity, I am someone who is not trying to prove anything, I have no dog in the fight so to speak. I am simply recording what we can all see, as accurately as I can with my 20 years practical photography experience. I would like to add though, I am not strictly an ‘astrophotographer’. I do this as a hobby, out of interest. I am not interested in taking 5 day exposures of the universe from some mountain or desert in the middle of nowhere, I'll leave that to the specialists.... :)

I began taking images of the nights sky around 5 years ago, mostly wide skyscapes. 4 years ago I decided I wanted to get closer the these objects in the sky, so I invested in a decent telescope (Celestron nexstar 5se) and began looking more closely, and of course attaching my cameras to the scope.

It is not as easy as people think to attain clear images of stars and planets with this kit, but you can get images good enough to see in more detail what is up there. The truth is, digital cameras, although cheap and convenient, they are crap. You can see much more using your eyes with a scope that what the camera records, due to mechanics of how focal lengths, shutter and sensors work. Naked eye is much more revealing. These guys who get clear images of the ISS for example, must have lighting reflexes and Nasa style tracking equipment, because even attempting to follow an aeroplane a few miles up, travelling at 500 mph with a 1200mm zoom is extremely difficult, even getting the thing in the frame in the 1st place never mind trying to manually focus on it, this is mostly impossible.

No illustrations here.

Everything I present is ‘as was’ the only adjustments I ever make are exposure and or colour issues. Occasional I may edit out dust spots, but mostly leave them in. Nothing is added to these images/ videos/ I am always happy to share originals and raw files for authenticity.

Something is moving.

Whether the earth moves, or the things in the sky move, I have no definitive answers, but what I do know however from experience, is that things do move. My gut feeling is it is the dome that is moving, not the earth. Tracking the movement of the moon and planets is difficult. With a 1100mm equivalent zoom, these things move pretty quickly across the viewfinder.

Anyway I will add to this thread as when I can chase (Clear skies are rare in the UK) to add something new. If anyone knows of anything worthy of photographing, let me know and I will do my best to capture it. If you can add to this great, perhaps this may help us uncover what we are actually looking at, or at least what we are not!

Here are a few samples for my captures over the last 3 or 4 years.

The moon, seems to be quite illusive. Difficult to photograph in detail with my kit, soft lenses (Even the scope is soft to the camera) and the wind, as good as I can get currently, you can see quite a bit of detail though. In the day, it does appear as if the craters are blue, not black, like holes not craters, but what do I know. It is also exceptionally bright! if it is reflecting the suns rays, then it has to be made of the most reflective surface in the universe!

Sony A600 with 5 inch scope, I have left the sensor dust spots in. top image 2016, following 5 are 2018.

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Here is a composite I made of the moon. Shot 16th Sept 2016. With the 5inch scope on a canon 5DS (52megapixel) You can only fit half the moon on each frame, so this is two frames, top and bottom of the moon composited together, with the background darkened a little. Full res file is 200 megabytes, but big to post here:

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Ahh, the planets, the orbs, the wandering stars! Are they spheres, flat, lights, solid, who knows! They are there, and they move. Viewing with the naked eye through ht escape, they are as clear as day, you can see real detail, however they still only appear about the same size as on these images. The lens distortion, atmosphere and shutter movement, even when reduced cause shake and blur issues, however, you can see their is something there, and not the out of focus tripe posted by youtubers.

Sony A600, Canon EOS 5D, Celestron Nexstar 5se electronic telescope. Shot between 2016 - 2020

Below: Jupiter, actual size in frame on the left, with magnifications next to it.

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Saturn, Mars and Jupiter placed side by side. Not to scale.

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Jupiter and its moons, over exposed to allow viewing of the moons. 30-5-16. Canon 5D Mk 3, ISO 256,00, Shutter 1.3 seconds, 5 inch scope.

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Below is a video of the same

Mars, original size left and 2 magnifications.

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Here is Venus how we see it in the Sky. Shot at sunset at the local wind farm.

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Contrary to some You tube video, planets do not appear as funky sparkling circles when they are in focus. If you see them presented as such, they are simply out of focus. Venus through the scope, with a practical demo of 'in and out of focus' planets.... None of the P900 planets are circles rubbish.

A still of Venus, magnified:

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To put in perspective: Venus on the right, and and Orion's Belt, and other 'stars' over the rooftops. 15th March 2020: Canon 7D, 28mm, ISO 100, 30 second shutter, aperture F3.5; EDIT. to Add (thanks to E.Bearclaw) I hadn't noticed that I had inadvertently captured 'starlink' in this image. EDIT EDIT: It's not starlink, it is a plane.

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The moon and Venus: 17/10/18: Sony A600, 50mm, Iso 200, F5.6, Shutter 15 seconds.

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The 'ISS' passing by Yorkshire, 2 - 4 - 20. Its just a dot....


The great 'conjunction' this was shot on 20th December 2020, with Sony A6000 and 5 inch scope. Actual size.

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Video of the same: Slightly over exposed to allow the moons of Jupiter to be seen.


Some more recent images of the sun, I have shared on other threads: Canon 7D, Manual 900mm lens, Aperture F22, ISO 100, 8 stop ND filter. Size as shot,

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Same image, under exposed

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If you have a decent smart phone, and access to a scope, place the scope on a tripod, and place the camera of the phone over the eyepiece of the scope, you can use this to get images, it's a bit fiddley but works. Samsung Galaxy S20 in Manual mode, place over the eye piece of the 5inch scope.

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Ill stop there for now. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

As I create more, or come across anything exciting I will post here. Hopefully we can all contribute and bounce around some interesting ideas as to what we are seeing, and why 'history' and 'science' tells us what it does about the skies.

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Great pics, i live in a city so it is very difficult to see anything from here apart from the brightest things in the sky.

Spent some time in Brazil in 2017/18 at this location,


It is at a good elevation and in parts have no artificial lighting and there is enough light in the sky from the stars alone to see, when the moon is out it is very bright and you can see visible shadows from objects obscuring said light.

Far more detail than i have ever seen from here in the uk or anywhere else.

I was lucky to be there for my alleged birth day(12/09/2018), the moon was big very big, big enough for me to question the validity of it's official distance, and quite orange as well.

Have you ever come across the lunar wave phenomena, and do you have any thoughts on it??

View: https://youtu.be/4CCJxF7nIcM
 

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I haven't come across the Lunar wave, despite looking for it, but that doesn't mean it's not there. To be fair I have never spent more than perhaps an hour or so at a time observing the moon, so chances of seeing it have been pretty slim.

Would love to see it for myself and attempt to work out what it could be!
 

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I haven't come across the Lunar wave, despite looking for it, but that doesn't mean it's not there. To be fair I have never spent more than perhaps an hour or so at a time observing the moon, so chances of seeing it have been pretty slim.

Would love to see it for myself and attempt to work out what it could be!
I was just wondering if I had any other way of verifying it other than someone I do not know on youtube!
 

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I haven't come across the Lunar wave, despite looking for it, but that doesn't mean it's not there. To be fair I have never spent more than perhaps an hour or so at a time observing the moon, so chances of seeing it have been pretty slim.

Would love to see it for myself and attempt to work out what it could be!
I was just wondering if I had any other way of verifying it other than someone I do not know on youtube!
Would love to have 1st hand evidence. It may be a time of day, month, year thing to best view it. I will post if ever I see it 👍
 

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Have you ever seen the moon with a flat side to it around the 3 to 10 past position on the clock face, clumsy but the best way to describe it?
Also quite often I look at the moon waxing or waning and see a shutter opening or closing.
 

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You know when a ball gets hit or dropped and a flat bit appears well on occasions the moon displays something similar at the 3 minutes past to 10 minute past angle. Mathematicians would say a segment of the sphere has disappeared.
On some nights the shutter effect is very pronounced, hell on some days its pronounced though on others you can see a crescent of light on the 'dark side' of the waxing and waning moon. Some days in certain blues the shutter not yet fully open appears transparent.

Whatever is going on your moon photographs are revealing to me we truly are looking through something transparent into or onto something else. The looking glass takes on a new meaning or I may be remembering its proper meaning.
I wonder is there anything in your photographic experience that tells you if we are looking at magnification of what lies beyond or just fishbowl like effect or just a flat 'window' if you get my drift?
 

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Whatever the moon is, it appears to be a more solid object than the sun, which I guess is a big ball of hot plasma in the sky (although NOT 93 million miles away). The moon also seems to not have much to do with ocean tides. If the moon's gravity were that powerful, wouldn't farmers notice their ponds sloshing around every time the moon moves overhead?

In the same way, the planets are obviously (to me, anyway) more solid than stars. People all through history have always made a distinction between planets--the wanderers--and stars, which they described as being fixed in the heavens. Planets move around, stars stay put. What are planets, what are they made of, what makes them move, and what purpose do they serve? Stars are lights in the sky, but what makes them glow, what are they attached to, and where do they go in the daytime?

What, really, are meteorites and comets, and where do they originate?
 

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So apparently, tomorrow is the 'perihelion' or the day the earth comes closest to the sun... Forecast looks worse for tomorrow and today is clear skies so I gave it a look.

'Earth comes closest to the sun every year around January 3. It is farthest from the sun every year around July 4. The difference in distance between Earth's nearest point to the sun in January and farthest point from the sun in July is 3.1 million miles (5 million kilometers). Earth is about 91.4 million miles (147.1 million kilometers) from the sun in early January, in contrast to about 94.5 million miles (152 million kilometers) in early July' Link

All of these shots are straight off the camera, exposure balanced and 1 dust spot removed from each. Notice, our friend the sun spot has now gone, I see none at all today.

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I also broke out the colour filters, Red, Green and Yellow, to see what may be hiding in there... Notice the softer edges of the sun with the colour filters, other that that, I see no discernible difference.

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Also, I can measure zero difference in the size of my images over the last week. Same camera and lens, same exact size Sun, no 3% difference detectable as yet.
 

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Great pics, i live in a city so it is very difficult to see anything from here apart from the brightest things in the sky.

Spent some time in Brazil in 2017/18 at this location,


It is at a good elevation and in parts have no artificial lighting and there is enough light in the sky from the stars alone to see, when the moon is out it is very bright and you can see visible shadows from objects obscuring said light.

Far more detail than i have ever seen from here in the uk or anywhere else.

I was lucky to be there for my alleged birth day(12/09/2018), the moon was big very big, big enough for me to question the validity of it's official distance, and quite orange as well.

Have you ever come across the lunar wave phenomena, and do you have any thoughts on it??

View: https://youtu.be/4CCJxF7nIcM
lunar wave phenomena? its the digital camera
Great pics, i live in a city so it is very difficult to see anything from here apart from the brightest things in the sky.

Spent some time in Brazil in 2017/18 at this location,


It is at a good elevation and in parts have no artificial lighting and there is enough light in the sky from the stars alone to see, when the moon is out it is very bright and you can see visible shadows from objects obscuring said light.

Far more detail than i have ever seen from here in the uk or anywhere else.

I was lucky to be there for my alleged birth day(12/09/2018), the moon was big very big, big enough for me to question the validity of it's official distance, and quite orange as well.

Have you ever come across the lunar wave phenomena, and do you have any thoughts on it??

View: https://youtu.be/4CCJxF7nIcM
it has something to do with the refresh rate on the camera
 

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If anyone has keener eyesight than me...

Is it me, or does it look like, in that photo all the starlink satellites are connected by a faint line? I cannot work out if I am seeing something that is not there, whether it is an optical illusion at looking at a series of dots and seeing a line, whether it is natural of a timed photo of moving objects (athough I would expect the dots to be longer).

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Sometime around 2010 or 2011ish, I was sitting outside a restaurant I bartended at looking at the moon and I saw an explosion on it. Next night on the news at the bar tv, there was a report about "amateur astronomers asking about the bright flash on the moon the night before but no worries, it was just NASA bombing the moon to see if there was water under the surface." The very next day I looked all over the internet for any report of it and there was nothing already. In about August 2018, Mars was on fire. I could see it pretty well with some fancy binoculars. I took a picture with my phone but it's a terrible picture. Some days after that there was mention of a battle on Mars and the big fire that followed on an obscure website but no other mention anywhere else. Whatever it was, I saw it with my own eyes. So yeah, I think the truth of space is also stolen and ties in to our general stolen history in a big way.
 
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Straight off the bat the moon close ups look to me like we are on the outside looking in on another world as in through the looking glass.
Best description I have heard yet 👍 that's how it feels looking at it through a scope too!
I agree. I have ever thought of it like that. Makes one ponder. Like perhaps the moon is a reflection off of maybe the north magnetic pole revealing what the firmament actually looks like. That’s just at first read. I like it
Earth comes closest to the sun every year around January 3. It is farthest from the sun every year around July 4. The difference in distance between Earth's nearest point to the sun in January and farthest point from the sun in July is 3.1 million miles (5 million kilometers). Earth is about 91.4 million miles (147.1 million kilometers) from the sun in early January, in contrast to about 94.5 million miles (152 million kilometers) in early July
I wonder why it’s warmer when we are further from the sun. At least warmer in the northern hemisphere.
 
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