The Third Reich - Part 1

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If there is one field of historic research, where the amount of contradicting data presented to us, surpasses any other event, it has to be the thematic complex of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler.

There are roughly 4 narratives, that we know from literature. The medial or official narrative, paints Hitler as the ultimate evil, trying to conquer the world, and being responsible for terrible atrocities. The academic narrative tells essentially the same story, but is more differentiated and has many works with substantial sources.

Then there are two narratives in revisionist literature, Hitler was an agent funded by the PTB, to build up Germany for the next big war, and the second: Hitler fought against the PTB, and all kinds of mixes between these narratives.

The most famous example of this ambiguity is Dunkirchen, where Hitler let the British Army escape, which greatly angered his generals. You could argue in favor of Hitler, this act was a sign of good will, to open up the possibility for future peace negotiations.

Or you could argue, that he let the army escape on purpose, to strengthen the british position in the long run, thus sabotaging Germanys war effort.

Both are completely valid points, and you see just from this one example, how difficult it is, to paint a somewhat accurate picture, as there is truth in all narratives.
So how can one evaluate what really happened, is to look for events that coexist in either the academic or revisionist literature, and are backed up by evidence and thus we can try to sort out some of the myths and contradictions on this subject.



The Rise of National Socialism


(National socialism, the organized will of the nation)

Historical Background


The First World War and the manifestation of communism through the Sovjet empire was the initial plan of the Illuminati to defeat the remaining parts of the Old World by installing a communist regime in Germany and Russia and ultimately the whole World.
They succeeded in Russia first with the moderate Menshevik takeover of Czarist Russia, or the March Revolution, and then the October Revolution with the radical Bolsheviks under Lenin, who immediately started applying ways of terrorizing the rural people, called Kulaks, by confiscating their food, and deporting and executing those who resist. It was common to shoot the eldest son in front of the parents, or raping the female family members, these being the harmless atrocities, as there are accounts of terrible torture being committed on nuns and priests.
Concentration camps, the later vast Gulag system, started in 1918. In the cities and villages Lenin used mainly a system of spies, who would pretend to be counterrevolutionary, only to reveal being of the Tscheka and immediately shooting all those willing to resist, and it took until 1922, the end of the civil war, to subdue the Russian people, but that was only the start of their suffering, with Stalin succeeding Lenin. Both committed terrible atrocities and genocides, being responsible for 3 major famines with together 20 million, destroying many cultures sites as churches, and murdering up to 60 million (Solschenizyn). The most famous crime is the murder of the Romanov Family including the children, to cover their involvement in the downfall of Tartaria.


The German Empire proved to be even more resilient, and despite all efforts, financing its enemies and vicious propaganda, it couldn't be brought down by force, so it was ensured parallel efforts were made in Germany within by a group of a marxist socialists called Spartacus League within the SPD, later USPD, consisting of Luxemburg and Liebknecht, who tried to sabotage Germanys war effort, as early from 1914, first with rising resistance in the parliament, then through call for dissertation and ultimately instigating strikes, which culminated in the November Revolution. Under these circumstances, being betrayed from within, the OHL had to accept terms of surrender, but hey only agreed to the terms of the initial Wilson Plan, and then were again betrayed with the Versaille Treaty, and the majority of Germans, even in the political parties, protested against it, as the Reich was split up, put under Sea blockade and humiliated, to lay the seeds for a radical communist takeover like in Russia.


The Versaille Treaty, and the rising threat of Communism, are the catalyst for the emergence of several war veteran groups, opposing against the Versaille treaty and the communist uprisings, called the Freikorps, others like the Thule Organisation and political parties, like the DVP, DNVP and DAP, which is the predecessor of the NSDAP, whose members like Hitler and especially Goebbels, while being opposed to the concept of International Socialism, still admired certain propaganda techniques, so they started applying socialist/communist methods, and the National Socialist German Workers Party emerged, as the only real querfront party, in the history of the World.



Hitlers Financiers


In the early days of the NSDAP from 1919-23 funding was sparsely and mostly from personal friends of Hitler and a few industries, and besides Ford as the largest international source, the main income were donations by own members. From 1925-30 he tried to attain more support from german businesses but with moderate success as most didn't like their socialist stance, and according to them didn't want to finance their own demise.
So still most of the income came from donations and merchandising, through contracts with small businesses, where they sold cigarettes and other stuff, which brought them 1,7 m. combined with the income of mass events in 1930, and the members fees accounted for 3,3 mil.


These funds were sufficient to cover the expenses of the election campaign and they managed to establish themselves as a mass phenomen and a serious candidate for power around 1930, and after that he was being considered by german industry, but whose overall amounts remained small compared to their donation to other parties.
This is presented by the revisionists Kosiek and Rose in the "Große Wendig", who based their research on the academic Guenther F. Schmidt.
It is the same time the popular marxist myth emerged, that Hitler was funded by the Capital, which was proven false by another academic called Turner, who backed up the financing, presented by Schmidt of the NSDAP with substantial evidence. His book caused a controversy among modern Historians, as it disproved the marxist theory.


(Meaning of the Hitler greeting: little man is asking for big gifts)

1930 is also the time period, where according to some literature, a secret meeting with international bankers took place, so is this account true or a modern revise of the old marxist myth, that Hitler was the Agent of the Capital or the finance cartel that many genuine researchers fell for?
The main proponents of this theory are Stutton and Preparata, and many others followed their research, like Lina in Architects of Deception:


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The person(s) Sydney Warburg, or whatever maybe behind the pseudonym, mentions 3 meetings between Hitler and the bankers, and large sums from 30 million, sometimes up to 100 million were transferred to Hitler. The problem with this theory, there is largely any hard evidence, to back up many of the alleged transactions and sums of that amount, as even Stutton, on of the main proponents of the theory, fails to prove the amount of money, described in the Warburg meetings:


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There is evidence of indirect and direct donations from industry and international financiers, which is backed up by Turner and Schmidt, but the amounts of money, Hitler supposedly received by Sydney Warburg is not proven, and Stutton, while arguing the accounts are correct, still considers the fact, that this book might be a forgery.

So Hitler was in any case financially supported around 1930 either by german industry according to Turner/Schmidt/Kosiek or by the international finance according to Stutton/Preparata/Lina, as he more and more emerged as a serious candidate for taking power in Germany, But both match on the early financing, and the literature presents clearly, there is no evidence indicating he was an agent of the Illuminati, that was financed from the start, as they originally funded Communism/Marxism, and the theory he was approached around 1930 and heavily funded, cannot be backed up substantially either.

Still, the possibility that Hitler came in some form of contact is, even if it has to remain speculation, very likely and the more interesting question will be to see if he acted according to their wishes, as in either narrative the heavy german businesses, mainly Thyssen and Hindenburg, or the international bankers tried to tame and control Hitler.

Struggle for Power

The Weimarer Republic was a failed state from the beginning that was immediately subject to the cabals initial plan of implementing a communist regime with Spartacus uprising in 1919, ending with the March Week, these are aftermath of the November Revolution, but still many other attempts followed. (Deutscher Obtober)
In 1919 the KPD was an already established party, consisting of 100000 members and funding from Moscow and international bankers. They brought a type of brutality to the streets, unknown before in Germany, as uprisings were fought fiercely and need to brought down with artillery. The defense minister of the Reich, Noske (SPD) issued the following order to stop the uprising:

"Every person, found armed with weapons and fighting against government troops, is to be executed on sight!" (Rose, Kosiek)


This means the communists brutality conditioned an early radicalization of the counter forces like the Freikorps, who murdered Liebknecht und Luxemburg as revenge for the uprising, and later attempted to gain power, first with the Kapp-Putsch and then the Hitler-Putsch.

That is also the reason, most larger parties, attained paramilitaric arms, as the Weimarer Republic was in a constant state of almost civil war. While the communist were infamous for attacking institutions of the state, the national socialists radicalized against the communists.
But the NSDAP started as the smaller group, and so they could sell themselves as martyrs, as indeed many Nationalsocialists were attacked and murdered by communists groups, the most famous example being Horst Wessel, so a vicious cycle of violence evolved, when the NSDAP started attacking and murdering communists too, much like the Freikorps killed Luxemburg and Liebknecht as retaliation for the uprising.


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1931 were killed or injured: 4699 National socialists, Stahlhelm 625, Reichsbanner 1696, Communists 1228. Perpetrators were National socialists in 2589 cases, Stahlhelm in 320 cases, Reichsbanner in 1884 cases and communists in 4184 cases. (Rose, Kosiek)

This is also backed up when looking at the evolution of member numbers, which collaborates with the funding of both parties, the NSDAP has a steady growth, while the KPD already had many members in the beginning:



And as the NSDAP was growing stronger, many germans starting to hope this party could achieve, what the Weimarer Republic was incapable to do, establishing law and order again.
But the international bankers were controlling, what was happening, and even if they didn't finance Hitler, they sure did ease his way to power, by ensuring with the Dawes and Young Plan the financial dependency of the Weimarer Republic, further creating the great depression and withholding credits in time of need, and thus steering more and more people into the arms of radical parties. (Höfelbernd)

So, we can conclude for now, Hitler wasn't financed as a marionette from the beginning, and the NSDAP emerged largely self-funded. but he might have been approached around 1930 by the Illuminati to control him, because he showed promise as a potential candidate for power in Germany.
But did he fulfill the wishes of the people who liked to tame him, or had Hitler something different planed?


Part 2: The Third Reich
 
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Great thread. Looking forward to part 2.

NOTE: topics of this nature have a tendency to induce high emotions. Please don't sink to that level. Remain civil and on topic.

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If there is one field of historic research, where the amount of contradicting data presented to us, surpasses any other event, it has to be the thematic complex of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler.
This is absolutely true. The difficulty we have as a community is to be narrative adjacent. All narratives have some truth and together we may be able to paint a more reasonably consistent one. As has been pointed out regularly on SH and other places, the newspapers and textbooks that are used by researchers should be taken as potentially accurate. An example is this https://stolenhistory.net/threads/dr-hitler.2784/ where we have a newspaper elevating Adolf Hitler to Doctor status. Most researchers can show that AH never received a doctorate but it was still printed and no doubt believed by many readers at the time. Be wary of misdirection.
 

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"So, we can conclude for now, Hitler wasn't financed as a marionette from the beginning "

how does one come to that conclusion? What jobs did he have? What positions did he hold? I believe the OP mentions the Thule Society...
How does he afford lodging and food?
How does a Jewish looking guy from the Hapsburg Empire, which included Austria, get into the German Army?
Can we even collaborate the story that he was even in the Army?


"The most famous crime is the murder of the Romanov Family including the children, to cover their involvement in the downfall of Tartaria."

How do you know they were murdered? Wasnt that family related to the Aristocracy of England? Would England then help to finance the Zionist Movement....help Communism when it goes against the economics of England and all surrounding countries? Doesnt the downfall of Tartaria occur many centuries before WW2? Did Tartaria even have a unified government?

Isnt the main enemy of Germany...Russia, or the Soviet Socialists Republics? How does one push National Socialism?

What about the members of the NSDAP themselves? What were their ties? Where did they come from? Who was financing them? Who were they tied to and what affiliations did they have? Did they come from Jewish or Masonic families?
 

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A great start for discussion of this topic. Considering English is not your first language as well I am even more impressed with the presentation.

The most famous example of this ambiguity is Dunkirchen, where Hitler let the British Army escape, which greatly angered his generals.
This is something when I first learned of it years after my mainstream education that quite surprised me and made me question official modern history.
If I remember correctly from my reading at the time, he also offered peace terms 3 times in that same period and was rejected, something that culminated in the destruction of Dresden which seems very much like that was a goal from the beginning.

Historical Background
That was a very good summary of the influence and behaviour of Communism at that time.
It has seemed to me that the destruction or ownership of the Royal houses was happening all over Europe prior to ww1 and in Germany in particular efforts were further made to destroy the international trade efforts of the Kaiser which threatened the status quo of the monopoly of other european powers ( by whom the hidden hand benefited greatly).

With regard to the later infiltration of communism,
Here are some quotes from a commentary on the book Weimar Republic ,Promise or Tragedy by Eric Weitz

The period in Germany from the end of World War I to the Nazi seizure of power is known as the Weimar era, after the Weimar Republic that was set up to govern the country after the revolution at the end of World War I. With the Kaiser gone,a whole new form of political life was created nearly from scratch; while this volatile period opened up myriad new possibilities, it eventually ended in the Nazi takeover of the country.

........Weitz prefers to use standard political and economic explanations for the Nazi takeover, particularly the persistence of anti-democratic tendencies in major institutions and the level of tension and conflict involved in Weimar politics.

In fact, tension is one of the major underlying themes of the period, according to Weitz.
.......The excursion into film and radio does delve into popular culture and its development in an interesting fashion, but it does not draw on broad-based sources in as much detail as the individual portraits of thinkers do. The discussion of the sexual revolution in Germany comes closer to touching on the wide variety of general public attitudes and is also one of the few areas where Weitz portrays politics actively reacting to, and almost interacting with, cultural developments.
...... he sees this culture as something ultimately determined by politics and economics, even saying "as with economics and politics, so with culture." Weitz argues that economic and political factors stifled the cultural promise of the Weimar period. In his view, the widespread economic depression of the 1930s and the conflicted nature of Weimar's parliamentary politics precipitated the country's descent into Nazi rule.
I disagree with Weitz's assessment of native culture being based on film and radio and the sexual revolution though, these are the trademark weapons of communism for destruction of cultures as we see worldwide today.

Thanks for the links and information re Hitler's financial backing, I will look further into the subject.



Wasnt that family related to the Aristocracy of England? Would England then help to finance the Zionist Movement....help Communism when it goes against the economics of England and all surrounding countries?
I think most of us are aware that English Royality and government have been owned by the Zionists since at least the napeolianic wars.

The brothers helped coordinate Rothschild activities across the continent, and the family developed a network of agents, shippers, and couriers to transport gold across war-torn Europe. The family network was also to provide Nathan Rothschild time and again with political and financial information ahead of his peers, giving him an advantage in the markets and rendering the house of Rothschild still more invaluable to the British government.
In one instance, the family network enabled Nathan to receive in London the news of Wellington’s victory at the Battle of Waterloo a full day ahead of the government’s official messengers.Rothschild’s first concern on this occasion was to the potential financial advantage on the market which the knowledge would have given him; he and his courier did not immediately take the news to the government. It was then repeated in later popular accounts, such as that of Morton.The basis for the Rothschild’s most famously profitable move was made after the news of British victory had been made public. Nathan Rothschild calculated that the future reduction in government borrowing brought about by the peace would create a bounce in British government bonds after a two year stabilisation, which would finalise the post-war restructuring of the domestic economy. In what has been described as one of the most audacious moves in financial history, Nathan immediately bought up the government bond market, for what at the time seemed an excessively high price, before waiting two years, then selling the bonds on the crest of short bounce in the market in 1817 for a 40% profit. Given the sheer power of leverage the Rothschild family had at their disposal, this profit was an enormous sum.
.....He gained a position of such power in the City of London that by 1825–6 he was able to supply enough coin to the Bank of England to enable it to avert a market liquidity crisis
from Rothschilds knew Napoleon lost at Waterloo a day before everyone else

"So, we can conclude for now, Hitler wasn't financed as a marionette from the beginning "

how does one come to that conclusion? What jobs did he have? What positions did he hold? I believe the OP mentions the Thule Society...
How does he afford lodging and food?
How does a Jewish looking guy from the Hapsburg Empire, which included Austria, get into the German Army?
Can we even collaborate the story that he was even in the Army?


"The most famous crime is the murder of the Romanov Family including the children, to cover their involvement in the downfall of Tartaria."

How do you know they were murdered? Wasnt that family related to the Aristocracy of England? Would England then help to finance the Zionist Movement....help Communism when it goes against the economics of England and all surrounding countries? Doesnt the downfall of Tartaria occur many centuries before WW2? Did Tartaria even have a unified government?

Isnt the main enemy of Germany...Russia, or the Soviet Socialists Republics? How does one push National Socialism?

What about the members of the NSDAP themselves? What were their ties? Where did they come from? Who was financing them? Who were they tied to and what affiliations did they have? Did they come from Jewish or Masonic families?
As always (it seems to me) you offer good questions to help further analysis and discussion.
 
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"So, we can conclude for now, Hitler wasn't financed as a marionette from the beginning "

how does one come to that conclusion? What jobs did he have? What positions did he hold? I believe the OP mentions the Thule Society...
How does he afford lodging and food?
How does a Jewish looking guy from the Hapsburg Empire, which included Austria, get into the German Army?
Can we even collaborate the story that he was even in the Army?


"The most famous crime is the murder of the Romanov Family including the children, to cover their involvement in the downfall of Tartaria."

How do you know they were murdered? Wasnt that family related to the Aristocracy of England? Would England then help to finance the Zionist Movement....help Communism when it goes against the economics of England and all surrounding countries? Doesnt the downfall of Tartaria occur many centuries before WW2? Did Tartaria even have a unified government?

Isnt the main enemy of Germany...Russia, or the Soviet Socialists Republics? How does one push National Socialism?

What about the members of the NSDAP themselves? What were their ties? Where did they come from? Who was financing them? Who were they tied to and what affiliations did they have? Did they come from Jewish or Masonic families?
Jewish-looking? There was nothing in Hitler's features that suggested a semitic background. Look at Freud, Adler, Fromm, Frank if you want to see what a real Austrian or German Jew looks like.
 

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"So, we can conclude for now, Hitler wasn't financed as a marionette from the beginning "

how does one come to that conclusion? What jobs did he have? What positions did he hold? I believe the OP mentions the Thule Society...
How does he afford lodging and food?
How does a Jewish looking guy from the Hapsburg Empire, which included Austria, get into the German Army?
Can we even collaborate the story that he was even in the Army?
You are right, there are many more questions open, but as stated in the OP, i first want to show, what can be backed by the academic and revisionist literature, that is how i came to the conclusion, feel free to present any books or articles that show otherwise.
About him being jewish, there is uncertainty about his paternal grandfather, where such speculation derives from like the theory about a certain jewish Frankenberger from Graz being the father of Alois Hitler. But these remain speculation, and aren't backed up by anything, not even in the revisionist literature, that presents him as a marionette.
He joined the bavarian army voluntarily, an independent army from the rest of the Reich, this was his regiment.
Not everything about him is a mystery. He was a regular soldier in WWI, and like every other regular soldier after the war, he probably paid for food and lodging with money.
"The most famous crime is the murder of the Romanov Family including the children, to cover their involvement in the downfall of Tartaria."

How do you know they were murdered? Wasnt that family related to the Aristocracy of England? Would England then help to finance the Zionist Movement....help Communism when it goes against the economics of England and all surrounding countries? Doesnt the downfall of Tartaria occur many centuries before WW2? Did Tartaria even have a unified government?
About the Romanovs: The bolsheviks admitted their murder, but hid the truth about the children and it fits the overall brutality of the bolsheviks. There were rumors about a child that survived though.
Tartaria in this context meant the eastern part of the Old World, according to Formenko.

Isnt the main enemy of Germany...Russia, or the Soviet Socialists Republics? How does one push National Socialism?

What about the members of the NSDAP themselves? What were their ties? Where did they come from? Who was financing them? Who were they tied to and what affiliations did they have? Did they come from Jewish or Masonic families?

Some background on other important members like Göring, Himmler, Göbbels and Schacht will be covered, the first 3 parts are planned as an overview from the Weimarer Republic to the second World War. Part 4 will be about the Occult roots of national socialism, so hopefully by then some of your questions can be explored.
 
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Hoo-Boy, big important OP here. But I'll crack the old knuckles and shoot back a whiskey...



• People readily forget that the Weimar Republic was a failure. Germans had never taken a stab at Democratic republic before. How to do it literally overnight? Big loans and debt slavery was the goal. Was this an agenda by the 1919 Paris Accords?

• The big multinational banks printed tons of money and bankrupted Weimar Germany by inflation. People starved. It could be considered a form of attempted genocide to a degree. (The stories of German sausage-makers using dog and human flesh may be correct).

• Did the PTB want and unstable Germany that was ripe for National Socialism as a bulwark against the bogeyman of Communism? Both Fascism and Communism were implemented by design, which is a clue.

• Was Hitler secretly chosen by the Thule Society (And certain aristocrats that admired the Theosophists and mystics) as an occult messiah savior?

• Why were colorful Nazi rituals, pageantry, and visual imagery based on the Teutonic Knights and the Lords of The Black Stone?


• Could it be true that Hitler may have been Kaiser Wilhelm's illegitimate son? (Or a relation of some sort) So the royal bloodlines could continue to rule in absolute secrecy?

• Why was Heinrich Himmler so interested in the occult and alternative German ancestry and history? Why did he create a Reich Tibet Institute for visiting Tibetans? Why did Himmler create an Atlantis Institute in Bremen?


• Did the Versailles Treaty pave the way for Germany to rearm in 1930 with brand new high tech weapon designs unlike all the other nations?
(Simplified question, there is much debate here).

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• Were non-linear and quantum physics a priority for new weapons and possible Tesla-style free energy? Inventions that would free Germany from coal and foreign oil?

• Why did the Nazi Party make the 1933 Reichsmark value to be based on a man's work hours? Did they want to flip off the gold standard big banks and Illuminati PTB?

• Why did American Banks via Prescott Bush and others invest so heavily in Nazi Germany? Even my own family was involved in that skullduggery during the 1930s, but why?

• Did the aftermath of WW2 and Project Paperclip set the stage for what some historians call the "Fourth Reich?" Why were ex-Nazis put in positions of power at corporations, banks, military contractors, and NASA?

• IF... the wild side rumors and "outlandish" stories of a breakaway German civilization that exists out in nearby star systems are true (Neuschwabenlanders?), could we blame them for quietly leaving Earth? The Germans have been picked on since the age of the Roman Empire versus the Goths, Visigoths, and the Vandals. (The Scandinavian migration).

• Was the official narrative of the Third Reich demonized further (out of context) so that other nations could whitewash their own bloody histories of genocide, injustice, racial wars, religious enforcement, and conquest?

I don't admire Hitler, the Nazis, their harsh racial warlord ethos nor their industrialization of genocide, but Im assured the official narrative concerning the Third Reich is wrong. Every nation has blood on its hands, those who tell the lies and those who choose to be willfully ignorant. Yes, the Nazis fought the international banks and the worldwide Illuminati cabal, but they ended up being just as bad or worse. It's genuinely sad that the normal German population and military suffered for the cruel Nazi agenda.

No matter what regime or political party attains power the PTB in the shadows sets the world stage very carefully so the play turns out the same time and again, but a person must be able to clearly see the patient status quo regain strength over an extended period of time, but that takes great SH-style effort.
I believe these are intriguing questions for us to contemplate...




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WWII was a long term play on enslaving Europe by the Soviet Union by the international bankers and their accomplices. Sutton shows how American technology for war such as tanks was transferred to Red Russia wholesale while the USA only had few outdated tanks in its army. A good example of this was a factory, the largest in the world, that was built by Ford to build tractors and tanks. This special design one could switch from building tractors to building tanks immediately. This one factory out produced the entire German industrial production of tanks! The elite planned for war and as Stalin said, "Hitler would be the Ice Breaker", to destroy Western Europe's military then Soviet forces would blitzkrieg across the German borders with tanks, American designed, which would drop their tracks and use the good German roads to move quickly to overwhelm resistance. The failed world revolution from the Soviet Union's defeat in Poland, and the failure of the communist revolutions after WWI in Germany and other western countries led to the bankers rapidly industrializing Russia in the 1930s to a war footing as a plan B. Stalin supported Hitler and supported him financially with 40,000 Gold reichsmarks as a German general confessed to western allies after the end of the war. Also, Stalin had the German communists stand down to allow the rise of Hitler's party. Stalin dismantled three massive defensive lines behind rivers that would have protected the Soviet Union against western force incursion and developed weapons, tactics, and forces to launch offensives of an extremely aggressive nature. For instance there was a force of one million men in the parachute corps! The aircraft were going to be used to bomb and strafe air fields, and troop concentrations with massive paratroop drops behind enemy lines. The historians who contradict this narrative are obvious fakirs of history and hired hands to deceive. The banking elite and their minions lost control over the flow of events leading up to WWII and nearly lost their Frankenstein creation of the Soviet Union, but they ended up dividing Europe
 

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Reviving the Soviet Union still seems to be a big part of the globalists' agenda. Russia is now ruled by an ideology of Neo-Sovietism, rebranded the "Eurasian Union" and Soviet motifs remain very popular in Russia and are becoming ever more so. Duginism is an important part of this and very influential to Putin.

It's also odd that Russia is not vaccinating its own people despite producing and exporting "Sputnik V" to other countries, same with China. It would appear that Russians and Chinese being injected with this poison is not part of the agenda.
 

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I've been trying to understand the events of the 20th for many years and the latest findings about the old world have certainly added some clarity to the overall understanding. Here is what I've come to:

When the major takeover of our civilization happened (I always say that it happened ~200 years ago, but some may disagree) not all people accepted the defeat. The remaining forces of the old world just went underground and started preparing for retaliation. Most probably, they acted selectively and secretly, to avoid being detected and destroyed by the new power (which, without any doubts, would target them immediately). This is the main reason we have almost no traces of these actions. But the events of the 20th century, particularly the 2nd world war, seems to be the peak of this confrontation. No matter who tried to control and finance Germany and when, the participation of the old world representatives and supporters seems absolutely clear to me. Moreover, even the powers that initially supported the new order could at some point change their mind and act towards the return of the old world and rules (when they eventually realized to what madness the new dark force pushes our civilization).
 

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I've been trying to understand the events of the 20th for many years and the latest findings about the old world have certainly added some clarity to the overall understanding. Here is what I've come to:

When the major takeover of our civilization happened (I always say that it happened ~200 years ago, but some may disagree) not all people accepted the defeat. The remaining forces of the old world just went underground and started preparing for retaliation. Most probably, they acted selectively and secretly, to avoid being detected and destroyed by the new power (which, without any doubts, would target them immediately). This is the main reason we have almost no traces of these actions. But the events of the 20th century, particularly the 2nd world war, seems to be the peak of this confrontation. No matter who tried to control and finance Germany and when, the participation of the old world representatives and supporters seems absolutely clear to me. Moreover, even the powers that initially supported the new order could at some point change their mind and act towards the return of the old world and rules (when they eventually realized to what madness the new dark force pushes our civilization).
Yes, you are on to something, this is exactly what we will explore in part 4!
 

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If there is one field of historic research, where the amount of contradicting data presented to us, surpasses any other event, it has to be the thematic complex of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler.

There are roughly 4 narratives, that we know from literature. The medial or official narrative, paints Hitler as the ultimate evil, trying to conquer the world, and being responsible for terrible atrocities. The academic narrative tells essentially the same story, but is more differentiated and has many works with substantial sources.

Then there are two narratives in revisionist literature, Hitler was an agent funded by the PTB, to build up Germany for the next big war, and the second: Hitler fought against the PTB, and all kinds of mixes between these narratives.

The most famous example of this ambiguity is Dunkirchen, where Hitler let the British Army escape, which greatly angered his generals. You could argue in favor of Hitler, this act was a sign of good will, to open up the possibility for future peace negotiations.

Or you could argue, that he let the army escape on purpose, to strengthen the british position in the long run, thus sabotaging Germanys war effort.

Both are completely valid points, and you see just from this one example, how difficult it is, to paint a somewhat accurate picture, as there is truth in all narratives.
So how can one evaluate what really happened, is to look for events that coexist in either the academic or revisionist literature, and are backed up by evidence and thus we can try to sort out some of the myths and contradictions on this subject.



The Rise of National Socialism


(National socialism, the organized will of the nation)

Historical Background


The First World War and the manifestation of communism through the Sovjet empire was the initial plan of the Illuminati to defeat the remaining parts of the Old World by installing a communist regime in Germany and Russia and ultimately the whole World.
They succeeded in Russia first with the moderate Menshevik takeover of Czarist Russia, or the March Revolution, and then the October Revolution with the radical Bolsheviks under Lenin, who immediately started applying ways of terrorizing the rural people, called Kulaks, by confiscating their food, and deporting and executing those who resist. It was common to shoot the eldest son in front of the parents, or raping the female family members, these being the harmless atrocities, as there are accounts of terrible torture being committed on nuns and priests.
Concentration camps, the later vast Gulag system, started in 1918. In the cities and villages Lenin used mainly a system of spies, who would pretend to be counterrevolutionary, only to reveal being of the Tscheka and immediately shooting all those willing to resist, and it took until 1922, the end of the civil war, to subdue the Russian people, but that was only the start of their suffering, with Stalin succeeding Lenin. Both committed terrible atrocities and genocides, being responsible for 3 major famines with together 20 million, destroying many cultures sites as churches, and murdering up to 60 million (Solschenizyn). The most famous crime is the murder of the Romanov Family including the children, to cover their involvement in the downfall of Tartaria.


The German Empire proved to be even more resilient, and despite all efforts, financing its enemies and vicious propaganda, it couldn't be brought down by force, so it was ensured parallel efforts were made in Germany within by a group of a marxist socialists called Spartacus League within the SPD, later USPD, consisting of Luxemburg and Liebknecht, who tried to sabotage Germanys war effort, as early from 1914, first with rising resistance in the parliament, then through call for dissertation and ultimately instigating strikes, which culminated in the November Revolution. Under these circumstances, being betrayed from within, the OHL had to accept terms of surrender, but hey only agreed to the terms of the initial Wilson Plan, and then were again betrayed with the Versaille Treaty, and the majority of Germans, even in the political parties, protested against it, as the Reich was split up, put under Sea blockade and humiliated, to lay the seeds for a radical communist takeover like in Russia.


The Versaille Treaty, and the rising threat of Communism, are the catalyst for the emergence of several war veteran groups, opposing against the Versaille treaty and the communist uprisings, called the Freikorps, others like the Thule Organisation and political parties, like the DVP, DNVP and DAP, which is the predecessor of the NSDAP, whose members like Hitler and especially Goebbels, while being opposed to the concept of International Socialism, still admired certain propaganda techniques, so they started applying socialist/communist methods, and the National Socialist German Workers Party emerged, as the only real querfront party, in the history of the World.



Hitlers Financiers


In the early days of the NSDAP from 1919-23 funding was sparsely and mostly from personal friends of Hitler and a few industries, and besides Ford as the largest international source, the main income were donations by own members. From 1925-30 he tried to attain more support from german businesses but with moderate success as most didn't like their socialist stance, and according to them didn't want to finance their own demise.
So still most of the income came from donations and merchandising, through contracts with small businesses, where they sold cigarettes and other stuff, which brought them 1,7 m. combined with the income of mass events in 1930, and the members fees accounted for 3,3 mil.


These funds were sufficient to cover the expenses of the election campaign and they managed to establish themselves as a mass phenomen and a serious candidate for power around 1930, and after that he was being considered by german industry, but whose overall amounts remained small compared to their donation to other parties.
This is presented by the revisionists Kosiek and Rose in the "Große Wendig", who based their research on the academic Guenther F. Schmidt.
It is the same time the popular marxist myth emerged, that Hitler was funded by the Capital, which was proven false by another academic called Turner, who backed up the financing, presented by Schmidt of the NSDAP with substantial evidence. His book caused a controversy among modern Historians, as it disproved the marxist theory.


(Meaning of the Hitler greeting: little man is asking for big gifts)

1930 is also the time period, where according to some literature, a secret meeting with international bankers took place, so is this account true or a modern revise of the old marxist myth, that Hitler was the Agent of the Capital or the finance cartel that many genuine researchers fell for?
The main proponents of this theory are Stutton and Preparata, and many others followed their research, like Lina in Architects of Deception:




The person(s) Sydney Warburg, or whatever maybe behind the pseudonym, mentions 3 meetings between Hitler and the bankers, and large sums from 30 million, sometimes up to 100 million were transferred to Hitler. The problem with this theory, there is largely any hard evidence, to back up many of the alleged transactions and sums of that amount, as even Stutton, on of the main proponents of the theory, fails to prove the amount of money, described in the Warburg meetings:





There is evidence of indirect and direct donations from industry and international financiers, which is backed up by Turner and Schmidt, but the amounts of money, Hitler supposedly received by Sydney Warburg is not proven, and Stutton, while arguing the accounts are correct, still considers the fact, that this book might be a forgery.

So Hitler was in any case financially supported around 1930 either by german industry according to Turner/Schmidt/Kosiek or by the international finance according to Stutton/Preparata/Lina, as he more and more emerged as a serious candidate for taking power in Germany, But both match on the early financing, and the literature presents clearly, there is no evidence indicating he was an agent of the Illuminati, that was financed from the start, as they originally funded Communism/Marxism, and the theory he was approached around 1930 and heavily funded, cannot be backed up substantially either.

Still, the possibility that Hitler came in some form of contact is, even if it has to remain speculation, very likely and the more interesting question will be to see if he acted according to their wishes, as in either narrative the heavy german businesses, mainly Thyssen and Hindenburg, or the international bankers tried to tame and control Hitler.

Struggle for Power

The Weimarer Republic was a failed state from the beginning that was immediately subject to the cabals initial plan of implementing a communist regime with Spartacus uprising in 1919, ending with the March Week, these are aftermath of the November Revolution, but still many other attempts followed. (Deutscher Obtober)
In 1919 the KPD was an already established party, consisting of 100000 members and funding from Moscow and international bankers. They brought a type of brutality to the streets, unknown before in Germany, as uprisings were fought fiercely and need to brought down with artillery. The defense minister of the Reich, Noske (SPD) issued the following order to stop the uprising:

"Every person, found armed with weapons and fighting against government troops, is to be executed on sight!" (Rose, Kosiek)


This means the communists brutality conditioned an early radicalization of the counter forces like the Freikorps, who murdered Liebknecht und Luxemburg as revenge for the uprising, and later attempted to gain power, first with the Kapp-Putsch and then the Hitler-Putsch.

That is also the reason, most larger parties, attained paramilitaric arms, as the Weimarer Republic was in a constant state of almost civil war. While the communist were infamous for attacking institutions of the state, the national socialists radicalized against the communists.
But the NSDAP started as the smaller group, and so they could sell themselves as martyrs, as indeed many Nationalsocialists were attacked and murdered by communists groups, the most famous example being Horst Wessel, so a vicious cycle of violence evolved, when the NSDAP started attacking and murdering communists too, much like the Freikorps killed Luxemburg and Liebknecht as retaliation for the uprising.


1931 were killed or injured: 4699 National socialists, Stahlhelm 625, Reichsbanner 1696, Communists 1228. Perpetrators were National socialists in 2589 cases, Stahlhelm in 320 cases, Reichsbanner in 1884 cases and communists in 4184 cases. (Rose, Kosiek)

This is also backed up when looking at the evolution of member numbers, which collaborates with the funding of both parties, the NSDAP has a steady growth, while the KPD already had many members in the beginning:



And as the NSDAP was growing stronger, many germans starting to hope this party could achieve, what the Weimarer Republic was incapable to do, establishing law and order again.
But the international bankers were controlling, what was happening, and even if they didn't finance Hitler, they sure did ease his way to power, by ensuring with the Dawes and Young Plan the financial dependency of the Weimarer Republic, further creating the great depression and withholding credits in time of need, and thus steering more and more people into the arms of radical parties. (Höfelbernd)

So, we can conclude for now, Hitler wasn't financed as a marionette from the beginning, and the NSDAP emerged largely self-funded. but he might have been approached around 1930 by the Illuminati to control him, because he showed promise as a potential candidate for power in Germany.
But did he fulfill the wishes of the people who liked to tame him, or had Hitler something different planed?
just saw this today....maybe you will include it in your research....and, Im glad you have taken an interest in the subject matter...

 

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No matter who tried to control and finance Germany and when, the participation of the old world representatives and supporters seems absolutely clear to me.

Can you elaborate on your evidence? This is most interesting.
 

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just saw this today....maybe you will include it in your research....and, Im glad you have taken an interest in the subject matter...
Some parts are a bit suggestive and he is jumping to many conclusions, but he overall made some fair points on certain members! Eichmann and Göbbels are the most strongest candidates for being jewish, imho.

Hitler was just a shill for the Vatican.

I would be careful with such statements.
We see this pattern often:

Hitler made a deal with the Zionist -> He is a Zionist
Hitler had a freemason working for him -> He is a freemason
Hitler had jewish Friends -> He is a jew
Hitler made a deal with the Vatikan -> He works for the Vatican
He let the British army escape -> He is a british agent
Hitler made a pact with Sovjet Russia -> He is a communist
Hitler made a deal with Muslims -> He wants Sharia Law

This is of course exaggerated, and many proponents of the agent theory are still making fair points, i'm just saying it's often not so simple...
 
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No matter who tried to control and finance Germany and when, the participation of the old world representatives and supporters seems absolutely clear to me.

Can you elaborate on your evidence? This is most interesting.
The most obvious argument would be the ideas and people behind Thule and Vril society as well as Ahnenerbe. Their main purpose was to resurrect the old culture, traditions and technologies. They were the only and the last organization that tried to do it (and almost succeeded in doing so). Nobody speaks about these things now. Moreover, nowadays it is forbidden to say anything publicly or do official research in the areas even partially related to the ideas examined by these Nazi organizations. Areas like the white culture and white civilization (as a single cultural unit with a common history).

The presence of Thule/Vril society and Ahnenerbe behind a seemingly ordinary political power inevitably provokes a suspicion that some people, being at the right place and time, just used this whole situation in order to bring their ideas and plans to the table. I don't think that people like Hitler or his closest generals knew about all this stuff before they started their political career. My guess is that they were at some point of time approached by representatives of Thule/Vril society, and they made a deal to cooperate. The members of these secret societies were people who kept the knowledge of the old world. And not just some tiny bits that we are dealing with on websites like this, but REAL and PRACTICAL knowledge. It also explains why Nazis were given secret knowledge in places like Tibet (I doubt that they would give their knowledge to someone they didn't trust).

Even though the shadow government had their own plans for everything throughout the last two centuries, I highly doubt that they ever wanted to see the old world symbology or ideas behind a political and military power that was capable of conquering the whole planet. That's why everything related to them is banned and prohibited since the end of the 2nd world war. Even though Germany lost the war, they undeniably made a big cultural and historical influence (not trying to give here any moral evaluations, just stating the neutral fact), and it happened mostly or partially because of the Thule/Vril/Ahnenerbe followers executing some secret plan from the very beginning. And my guess is that what we currently know is only a tip of the iceberg.
 

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When the major takeover of our civilization happened (I always say that it happened ~200 years ago, but some may disagree) not all people accepted the defeat. The remaining forces of the old world just went underground and started preparing for retaliation. Most probably, they acted selectively and secretly, to avoid being detected and destroyed by the new power (which, without any doubts, would target them immediately). This is the main reason we have almost no traces of these actions. But the events of the 20th century, particularly the 2nd world war, seems to be the peak of this confrontation. No matter who tried to control and finance Germany and when, the participation of the old world representatives and supporters seems absolutely clear to me. Moreover, even the powers that initially supported the new order could at some point change their mind and act towards the return of the old world and rules (when they eventually realized to what madness the new dark force pushes our civilization).
G.I. Gurdjieff was one of those who tried to find the "old-world representatives" in his travels.

In early adulthood, according to his own account, Gurdjieff's curiosity led him to travel to Central Asia, Egypt, Iran, India, Tibet and Rome before he returned to Russia for a few years in 1912. He was never forthcoming about the source of his teachings. The only account of his wanderings appears in his book Meetings with Remarkable Men. Most commentators leave his background unexplained, and Meetings is not generally considered to be a reliable or straightforward autobiography. Each chapter is named after an individual "remarkable man"; many are putatively members of a society of "seekers of truth".​

It is said that he met Hitler at one point to discuss cooperating on certain ideas to bring back the esoteric teachings into society. He also found previously unknown maps of Africa without deserts, but thought it was a long time ago.

The 19th century I think was the time when some members of the old-world were still secretly fighting against the degeneracy, this was after an open war destroyed the forces of light in the 17th or 18th Century, so the few parts that survived had to hide underground. After the events of the 19th century, we can conclude that evil has basically won, currently. We are now in the clean-up phase, between the old and the new world order, this is now just about managing the transition into a materialistic soul-less world, there is no systemic opposition any longer. Of course their reign can end any time. Once their cycle is over, good will rise again.
 
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