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I didn't know where to put this thread exactly, I figure Tolkien's name has far more caché than Ior Bock's - so books it is!
J.R.R. Tolkien couldn't possibly require any introduction around here, but he may require a radical re-appraisal. As the "official" story goes Tolkien began forming and writing the cosmology of Middle-Earth in his tent during WWI. This is where he came up with the supreme God (Eru Ilúvatar/Aulé) and the lesser gods (Ainur/Valar) of Middle Earth (Eä/Arda). The book in which this mythos is brought to life is undoubtedly Tolkien's magnum opus, it is of course - The Silmarillion. It goes back to back to the point of primordial nothingness, where Eru Ilúvatar creates the Ainur to sing the song of creation.
Now, here's where reality gives Tolkien a run for his considerable posthumous estate.
The Bock Saga
This is where the speculation about Tolkien begins to tie in. In addition to being a prolific writer, Tolkien was also a prolific linguistics researcher who spent a fair amount of time in Scandinavia and Finland in particular. For those who aren't aware, the Finnish language is quite the conundrum. It is part of a larger language grouping called Finno-Ugaritic, Ugarit being an ancient port city in modern day Syria. Finno-Ugaritic is part of the Semitic language base that includes Akkadian, Chaldean, Babylonian, Assyrian, Phoenician, and the oldest of all Sumerian. Even more tantalizing is how modern Finnish allegedly has more in common with Sumerian syntactically than Akkadian did 5000 years ago.
Who would have known about these linguistic intricacies and subtleties?
-Tolkien
There are many theories that he received a deeper, secret oral version of the Kalevala and the Eddas. The Kalevala being the foundational mythology of Finland.
The Kalevala Index
Even to the casual observer Gandalf is Väinämöinen, and I'd doubt Tolkien would refute it. He might even insultingly say something to the effect of "congratulations you can read." [As an aside; from Tolkien's private correspondences he seemed like a cranky dude]
There are many links here, but I'd recommend starting with the Bock Saga THC. As far as alternative research podcasts go it is really one of the best out there. I'm not shilling for it, I just respect the consistent quality. Here's the rest of what I have:
Väinämöinen: The Finnish Deity and Hero Who Inspired Tolkien to Create Gandalf and Tom Bombadil
Revelation13.net: Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings" - and Finland
The Bock Saga vs. the Lord of the Rings
Does The Bock Saga lead on to the Lord Of The Rings? - Page 5
Tolkien’s Middle-Earth, true History? - World Mysteries Blog
J.R.R. Tolkien couldn't possibly require any introduction around here, but he may require a radical re-appraisal. As the "official" story goes Tolkien began forming and writing the cosmology of Middle-Earth in his tent during WWI. This is where he came up with the supreme God (Eru Ilúvatar/Aulé) and the lesser gods (Ainur/Valar) of Middle Earth (Eä/Arda). The book in which this mythos is brought to life is undoubtedly Tolkien's magnum opus, it is of course - The Silmarillion. It goes back to back to the point of primordial nothingness, where Eru Ilúvatar creates the Ainur to sing the song of creation.
Now, here's where reality gives Tolkien a run for his considerable posthumous estate.
The Bock Saga
Abstract: Ior Bock, the last of the Bock Family lineage is the official story keeper of humanity. His family line goes back thousands of years to the very origins of humanity's root races. This was when "We" could all access the Shamballa-like land around the central mountain of Earth.This is where the speculation about Tolkien begins to tie in. In addition to being a prolific writer, Tolkien was also a prolific linguistics researcher who spent a fair amount of time in Scandinavia and Finland in particular. For those who aren't aware, the Finnish language is quite the conundrum. It is part of a larger language grouping called Finno-Ugaritic, Ugarit being an ancient port city in modern day Syria. Finno-Ugaritic is part of the Semitic language base that includes Akkadian, Chaldean, Babylonian, Assyrian, Phoenician, and the oldest of all Sumerian. Even more tantalizing is how modern Finnish allegedly has more in common with Sumerian syntactically than Akkadian did 5000 years ago.
Who would have known about these linguistic intricacies and subtleties?
-Tolkien
There are many theories that he received a deeper, secret oral version of the Kalevala and the Eddas. The Kalevala being the foundational mythology of Finland.
The Kalevala Index
Even to the casual observer Gandalf is Väinämöinen, and I'd doubt Tolkien would refute it. He might even insultingly say something to the effect of "congratulations you can read." [As an aside; from Tolkien's private correspondences he seemed like a cranky dude]
There are many links here, but I'd recommend starting with the Bock Saga THC. As far as alternative research podcasts go it is really one of the best out there. I'm not shilling for it, I just respect the consistent quality. Here's the rest of what I have:
Väinämöinen: The Finnish Deity and Hero Who Inspired Tolkien to Create Gandalf and Tom Bombadil
Revelation13.net: Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings" - and Finland
The Bock Saga vs. the Lord of the Rings
Does The Bock Saga lead on to the Lord Of The Rings? - Page 5
Tolkien’s Middle-Earth, true History? - World Mysteries Blog
Note: This OP was recovered from the KeeperOfTheKnowledge archive.
Note: Archived SH.org replies to this OP: Tolkien and The Bock Saga