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Hey guys,

I heard a theory that the transatlantic cables, allegedly run in the 1870s were old tech that had been 'found'.

Even today it seems like a feat of engineering to get a cable to lay across a sea floor...

What holds it in place? With the pressure of thousands of miles of sea pressing against the cable surely it would break?

I suspect there is more to the story than we are told
 

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Something I wonder about is how they lay the cables over the extremely variable terrain that's on the ocean floor. There are mountains, valleys, and canyons, just like on land. How does the cable go over these features? How do they not break when there's an earthquake?
 

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Something I wonder about is how they lay the cables over the extremely variable terrain that's on the ocean floor. There are mountains, valleys, and canyons, just like on land. How does the cable go over these features? How do they not break when there's an earthquake?
I know the more modern one will pull a sort of anchor/plough type device through the seabed to create a trough to lay the cable in however i think this is a fairly modern technique. how the old ones.

View: https://youtu.be/KDcdgcRtvBQ


Official view, good stating point but maybe more to the story.

View: https://youtu.be/2UTrqHZf7Cg
 

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Skimmed the video, it is resplendant with the usual bravado and genious 'men' of the times... they laid the line, then the engineer sent too many vaults down the line, and fried it... yeh, because they wouldn't have tested this prior...

I have no evidence, but my gut feeling is that these cables were found, with elaborate tales of their invention and instalation retro fitted. And, if they fried the line, it was through not understanding what they had found.

Cyrus Feild is possibly another historical psuedo character, his wiki certainly reads like one.

The SS Great Eastern, another one of those found technologies was involved in laying a later cable.

Most probably all part of the same fairytale
 

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The main ones - from the US to New York, would have to account for the mid-Atlantic ridge / rift.

Apparently the ridge was discovered whilst trying to investigate the possibility of submarine cables, by Charles Wyville Thompson (of the East India Company). The ridge however is seismologically active, and volcanic. So this would be something else the cables would need to navigate.

Another thing that I find interesting is that the cables were laid before the idea of sea floor spreading / continental drift THEORIES were recognised in the 1950's / 1960's.

Seafloor spreading - Wikipedia

This strikes me as something they should have taken into account. Apparently the Atlantic increases by 1-10cm each year. Since the first Transatlantic cable in 1866, that would be a minimum of 154cm to a max 15.4m. Do cables not need to take account of continental drift? It strikes me they should, although I may be unaware of a stretchy tech that accommodates. Although I doubt this existed in those days, or would have been taken into account by people unaware it existed. I struggle to see how one could measure the sea floor accurately in the mid-nineteenth century. We are talking pre-sonar, pre-submarines. The article below seems to provide a good amount of detail behind the process:

History of the Atlantic Cable & Submarine Telegraphy - 1870 British - Indian Cable

A further thing to note: is that in the history of submarine cables being laid, there is a number of East India Company people being involved. See the below link:

Distant Writing - The Companies Abroad

For instance, William Montogomerie - a surgeon in the British East India Company. The aforementioned Charles Wyville Thompson. Sure they were a big company running the worlds trade and doing what they do. So you would expect them to be involved. However, I am sure we are all in a similar boat that they are very much heavily involved in the Great Heist story (I am really proud of that wordplay).

Apparently undersea cables were considered safer, and less liable to attack than overseas ones. But this begs the question, were they not a target during the World Wars? I can see that they were less vulnerable, although surely if they were destroyed then that would be more critical?

I also below have a few more specific musings on this that are related, although not directly:

Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but it also strikes me that the undersea cables issue might be of relevance to the shape of the Earth debate. In a similar way to flight plans, they appear to be heavily centred on the North hemisphere. I wonder how they would look on flat earth maps. It could be evidence either way I guess.

Another slighly offtopic musing that has popped into my head during this. Is that perhaps the search for somewhere to lay cables across the Atlantic (or possibly the discovery of pre-existing cables) may have had something to do with searching for Atlantis. The vast body of cables seem to go through the rough locale (sure I can see that it is between New York and Europe) but hey. Maybe they stumbled across such cables whilst looking for this?

In the context of our current situation, one could not have a worldwide technocracy without such cables. We could not be in this interconnected situation without them. Conversely this makes me think, if they were an essential part of a teleological NWO narrative, then it may be that they needed to develop them at that particular point. Except perhaps using a tech that wasn't yet available at the time.

The timing of the cables seems to fit into that sweet spot - similar to the invention of photography, the start of the Police system, the invention of the bicycle, where things just seem to come into being, just in time to setup a new world per a re-set narrative.
 

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The timing of the cables seems to fit into that sweet spot - similar to the invention of photography, the start of the Police system, the invention of the bicycle, where things just seem to come into being, just in time to setup a new world per a re-set narrative.
100% agree, no coincidences, any of these.
 

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cable-cross-section tower of babel.jpg


The cross-section looks a little like the Tower of Babel. Sure I know that means nothing and is probably a co-incidence. However quite poetically, if this was destroyed the world would no longer be able to be in communique. Something else that I am now wondering is whether the Tower of Babel is a metaphor for such a cable except instead of across an ocean, perhaps to the Heavens. When one would try and transfer that story into a Biblical - pre-cable narrative. One must replace a cable with something that fits the narrative. You say Cable, I say Kabbalah!

Apologies if this observation is a little on the esoteric side. I don't per se buy into it myself. I just was struck by the similarity, and wanted to document it.
 

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Skimmed the video, it is resplendant with the usual bravado and genious 'men' of the times... they laid the line, then the engineer sent too many vaults down the line, and fried it... yeh, because they wouldn't have tested this prior...

I have no evidence, but my gut feeling is that these cables were found, with elaborate tales of their invention and instalation retro fitted. And, if they fried the line, it was through not understanding what they had found.

Cyrus Feild is possibly another historical psuedo character, his wiki certainly reads like one.

The SS Great Eastern, another one of those found technologies was involved in laying a later cable.

Most probably all part of the same fairytale
Reads like a list of happy coincidences, interesting snippet from there is that the western union could not get an overland cable because of a lack of trees in Siberia but had plenty on the Canada side and the relative flatness of the atlantic seabed(rolls eyes).

The whole affair seems to tie up a lot of loose ends in a very convenient way, an eventual use for the seemingly useless great easton, the fulfilment of Morse's prophecy, are just a few of the highlights.

I also wonder how and who's generator they were using to get that much voltage as the were at the relative dawn of such technology!
 
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The main ones - from the US to New York, would have to account for the mid-Atlantic ridge / rift.

Apparently the ridge was discovered whilst trying to investigate the possibility of submarine cables, by Charles Wyville Thompson (of the East India Company). The ridge however is seismologically active, and volcanic. So this would be something else the cables would need to navigate.

Another thing that I find interesting is that the cables were laid before the idea of sea floor spreading / continental drift THEORIES were recognised in the 1950's / 1960's.

Seafloor spreading - Wikipedia

This strikes me as something they should have taken into account. Apparently the Atlantic increases by 1-10cm each year. Since the first Transatlantic cable in 1866, that would be a minimum of 154cm to a max 15.4m. Do cables not need to take account of continental drift? It strikes me they should, although I may be unaware of a stretchy tech that accommodates. Although I doubt this existed in those days, or would have been taken into account by people unaware it existed. I struggle to see how one could measure the sea floor accurately in the mid-nineteenth century. We are talking pre-sonar, pre-submarines. The article below seems to provide a good amount of detail behind the process:

History of the Atlantic Cable & Submarine Telegraphy - 1870 British - Indian Cable

A further thing to note: is that in the history of submarine cables being laid, there is a number of East India Company people being involved. See the below link:

Distant Writing - The Companies Abroad

For instance, William Montogomerie - a surgeon in the British East India Company. The aforementioned Charles Wyville Thompson. Sure they were a big company running the worlds trade and doing what they do. So you would expect them to be involved. However, I am sure we are all in a similar boat that they are very much heavily involved in the Great Heist story (I am really proud of that wordplay).

Apparently undersea cables were considered safer, and less liable to attack than overseas ones. But this begs the question, were they not a target during the World Wars? I can see that they were less vulnerable, although surely if they were destroyed then that would be more critical?

I also below have a few more specific musings on this that are related, although not directly:

Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but it also strikes me that the undersea cables issue might be of relevance to the shape of the Earth debate. In a similar way to flight plans, they appear to be heavily centred on the North hemisphere. I wonder how they would look on flat earth maps. It could be evidence either way I guess.

Another slighly offtopic musing that has popped into my head during this. Is that perhaps the search for somewhere to lay cables across the Atlantic (or possibly the discovery of pre-existing cables) may have had something to do with searching for Atlantis. The vast body of cables seem to go through the rough locale (sure I can see that it is between New York and Europe) but hey. Maybe they stumbled across such cables whilst looking for this?

In the context of our current situation, one could not have a worldwide technocracy without such cables. We could not be in this interconnected situation without them. Conversely this makes me think, if they were an essential part of a teleological NWO narrative, then it may be that they needed to develop them at that particular point. Except perhaps using a tech that wasn't yet available at the time.

The timing of the cables seems to fit into that sweet spot - similar to the invention of photography, the start of the Police system, the invention of the bicycle, where things just seem to come into being, just in time to setup a new world per a re-set narrative.

The video also mentioned in passing that the ridge had been mapped some years before.

Mapping the sea floor in the 1850's...

With what exactly? A yardstick?!

Or did they find a map, that we are not allowed to see
 

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Does it occur to anyone else they simply buggered about with dates and events?
Today they sell the tale of satellites flying in circles without any means of propulsion as being the epitome of communications infrastructure when the truth is it is cable based supported by microwave masts. Not that I know more or less than anyone else but the lies being told about reality are older than I am.
Undersea cable breaks are so frequent there are specialist repair ships at sea all the time. I only know this as a friend of my wife's has a son-in-law who works on one of them.
 
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My brother - who has spent a large amount of his life mapping the sea floor around the Antarctic, has informed me that they would have used a rope with a lump of lead on the end. A lead line. You can feel when it hits the bottom and and measure the length of the rope. Not sure that this could be used for an entire ocean. He thinks it would be an immense process of trial and error.
 
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Does it occur to anyone else they simply buggered about with dates and events?
Today they sell the tale of satellites flying in circles without any means of propulsion as being the epitome of communications infrastructure when the truth is it is cable based supported by microwave masts. Not that I know more or less than anyone else but the lies being told about reality are older than I am.
Undersea cable breaks are so frequent there are specialist repair ships at sea all the time. I only know this as a friend of my wife's has a son-in-law who works on one of them.
I'm showing my ignorance here, but I know you're a tolerant lot....
I also believe satellites are fictional artefacts for pre-existing technology - which until reading this thread I assumed was cable-based, as many have said. But could the cable story itself be a fiction? I mean, earth-bound telecommunications seem to work miraculously well, but when we consider what they supposedly rely on - as documented in this thread - could it be a cover for something else? Could our intention/belief in the efficacy of these communications be the actual instrument? Or some as yet unidentified technology?

Having repair ships on standby would add to the story, and doubtless cables break, but what difference does the breakage really make?
I've been wondering about telephone lines too. When you see them stretch across mountains and valleys - something just doesn't add up to me.
 

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Does it occur to anyone else they simply buggered about with dates and events?
Today they sell the tale of satellites flying in circles without any means of propulsion as being the epitome of communications infrastructure when the truth is it is cable based supported by microwave masts. Not that I know more or less than anyone else but the lies being told about reality are older than I am.
Undersea cable breaks are so frequent there are specialist repair ships at sea all the time. I only know this as a friend of my wife's has a son-in-law who works on one of them.
I'm showing my ignorance here, but I know you're a tolerant lot....
I also believe satellites are fictional artefacts for pre-existing technology - which until reading this thread I assumed was cable-based, as many have said. But could the cable story itself be a fiction? I mean, earth-bound telecommunications seem to work miraculously well, but when we consider what they supposedly rely on - as documented in this thread - could it be a cover for something else? Could our intention/belief in the efficacy of these communications be the actual instrument? Or some as yet unidentified technology?

Having repair ships on standby would add to the story, and doubtless cables break, but what difference does the breakage really make?
I've been wondering about telephone lines too. When you see them stretch across mountains and valleys - something just doesn't add up to me.
You reminded me of something I watched recently, took me a bit of head scratching to find it it again as I watch a lot of stuff! I finally remembered, link below. In short it is about the ether being the medium for our modern communications/internet. He backs this theory up with some good examples, like how fast we can access a webiste on the other side of the world. The other example that sticks out is the difference between the quality of a phone call to someone local, which sometimes breaks up as you lose signal, vs the efforless streaming of an HD movie on the same device. The former uses the mobile phone network, the latter directly uses the ether! The cables etc he suggests are used purely for data mining.....

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeYWjNhZ_JY
 

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The cables could be a cover story for using radio tech, which shouldn't work on a globe... But would work okay using the ether on a flat plane
Without this whole bouncing off the ionosphere garbage. Bouncing off of the dome would work...

I'm pretty sure they made a transatlantic radio broadcast with radio.
 

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I just searched on the SS great eastern in the archives and found these interesting links in the Archived replies .

Wayback link as original was 404'd
Europe calling America
The transatlantic cable connects two continents


At the beginning of the 1870s, there were three cable connections between the Old and New Worlds – and all these transatlantic cables were owned by the Anglo American Telegraph Company. Its main shareholder, the Briton John Pender, defended that monopoly unyieldingly. In order to break that hold, American businessmen and prominent figures in particular decided to install a further communication link. The only ones trusted to accomplish such a task were the Siemens brothers. And they took up the challenge.
America prepares the way – failures and lessons learned

After the major successes of the intercontinental land and sea telegraph lines, it was soon clear that laying a telegraph cable between the American continent and Europe promised to be a lucrative business. In 1854 the entrepreneur Cyrus Field founded the “Atlantic Telegraph Co. of New York, Newfoundland and London.” The route chosen by Field and his employees ran between Ireland and Newfoundland, since the ocean maps showed a raised plateau on the seabed and so the submarine conditions there looked ideal. Field began in 1854 by constructing a link from New York to Newfoundland, before he ventured on the actual task of laying a line beneath the Atlantic, three years after the company was founded.

After a failed attempt in the summer of 1857, Field succeeded in establishing the first connection between the European and American telegraph network on August 5, 1858. However, due to the lack of experience in laying cables over such distances, the cable was made too thin and so was thus too vulnerable to environmental influences. It broke down after around 400 dispatches and 23 days in operation. It took Field seven years to collect enough money again to fund a further attempt. However, this cable also broke while being laid for the first time and so it was only on the second attempt on July 27, 1866, that a permanent telegraph link was established between America and Europe. Since the broken cable has been recovered in the meantime, two functioning lines were then available. Field was saved financially and was able to pay back all his debts by 1867. He was celebrated as a hero in both New York and London.

Good business prospects and a fiercely contested market – the Siemens brothers enter the arena
The profitable business with the transatlantic link soon became a fiercely contested market.

After the British cotton manufacturer John Pender succeeded in gaining control of the existing cables, he formed a monopoly which he defended resolutely against emerging competitors.

As a result of this dominance, investors approached the Siemens brothers in the early 1870s, asking whether they could lay their own “direct” cable between Germany or the UK and the U.S.

Werner von Siemens first wrote about the matter in 1871 in a letter to his brother Carl:

At the general meeting of the Deutsche Bank yesterday […] the Third Director asked me […] whether we would be interested in participating in a direct German-American cable, for which there was a great deal of support and a lot of money in America.
Werner von Siemens, in a letter from 1871

Direct US Cable Company Ltd, prospectus, 1873
It would however be over a year before this idea took concrete shape, not least because of the hesitation of Werner von Siemens, who was still very much aware of the financial losses from a number of earlier cable-laying projects.

But not William and Carl, who were much more inclined toward the project. Throughout 1872, Carl in particular looked for investors in the English-speaking world – and was successful. In spite of all the reservations on the part of Werner von Siemens, by the end of 1872/beginning of 1873 it was more and more obvious that the Siemens brothers were going to lay a cable through the Atlantic – either for an American company or at their own cost.
Finally, in March 1873 the “Direct United States Cable Company” (DUSC) was founded, the purpose of which was “to produce a direct and independent telegraph link between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and the United States of North America.” Werner’s brother William was appointed “Consulting Director.”

Despite the company’s name, it was evident right at the beginning of the project that there was no way a direct link was going tobe created between Ireland and the United States. Instead, the main cable – as with the previous cables – was going to run from Ireland to Nova Scotia and from there a further cable connecting the American mainland would be laid.

According to an Internet source, the main reason for this was that the cable technology of the time was not sufficiently advanced to permit a direct link of this kind. The signals would have become so weak over such a great distance that it would not have been possible to receive them. There is no mention of this in the sources preserved in the Corporate Archives.
If this is old rediscovered technology,it strikes me they may have been laid in order to connect Ireland and greater Ireland.
And then there's this Reply which makes the following important observation,

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As a slight aside am I the only one to find it truly beyond amazing that this 5,000 ton ship was laying a cable from England to Russia in 1917, flying the red ensign in waters 'infested with German submarines and they never found her, or attacked her or sunk her?
History of the Atlantic Cable & Submarine Telegraphy - CS Faraday (1)

To Archangel of all places. The port in the next phase of war where the United Kingdom and the United States would send their convoys. One would think its all been scripted, were one cynical!
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