SH Archive Urban Fire verdict: global attack on our civilization or incompetency?

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This could probably be the biggest cover up in the history of mankind. At the same time, it could be a case of the mind boggling stupidity. I will present the facts, and you be the judge of which one it is. One way or the other, this bizarre occurrence could be classified as a historical anomaly.

I probably need to stop right here, and present my position right away. And this position is ridiculous, and improbable within the constraints of the today's science and history. Whether it is impossible could only be revealed through the in depth research by individuals with proper resources, skills, and levels of access.

To gain your immediate attention I will post a few pictures of the aftermath of the 1871 Great Chicago Fire. Inspect those pictures, and be honest with yourself. What kind of fire destroyed those concrete, and brick and mortar buildings without any trace of the fire damage? How could those trees and utility poles survive? What fire can cut three concrete blocks vertically in a straight line? Why were the structures reduced to single bricks, and dust?


An additional topic to think about are the structures themselves. What did the above buildings look like before they got destroyed? The remnants look more like ruins of some 1893 World's Columbian Exposition. Yet, we are being told that primarily wooden structures were destroyed.

Palace_of_Mechanic_Arts,_1893_World_Columbian_Exposition.jpg
1893 Chicago

The War of the Civilizations
I think there was a devastating global war which took place in the 19th, or early 20th century. Time frame is somewhat of an unknown entity, while the similarity of events suggests that chronological spread could be artificial.

It remains to be determined whether our Planet was attacked from the outside, or it was an internal war fought on the Global scale. These are the only two scenarios I could come up with after my little amateur research. These scenarios bring along two distinctive developments:
  • Internal War - would mean the destruction of the architectural signature of the previous advanced civilization present through out the world on the scale beyond explainable. The purpose of such an attack would be to erase this signature, and to bring it to the levels manageable by the dogmatic science. Why we are not supposed to know about that civilization is a million dollar question. There are multiple possibilities of Biblical proportions.
  • Outside Attack - would suggest that the previous civilization was annihilated by some unknown forces. If it was indeed the case, than our current civilization could be that occupational force. Whether we are the "bad guys" I do not know, but this possibility definitely comes to my mind.
Human Incompetence
This possibility is way more convenient for the dogmatic way of thinking. Yet it makes the civil engineers of the past sound highly incompetent, and border line dumb and stupid. It is obvious that contributing factors of the devastating fires stayed the same for approximately 150 years. An attentive person would probably ask a reasonable question of why these bad experiences of the neighboring cities were widely ignored when new cities were getting constructed. Below is just an example of corrective actions to be taken by the burnt cities to prevent the fires from happening again. In reality this corrective action would be the same for just about every single urban fire within approximately 150 years.

1788 Great New Orleans Fire, "Officials were to replace the wooden buildings with masonry structures which had, thick brick walls, arcades, and wrought iron balconies"
1802 Great Portsmouth Fire, "As a result of the fire, the town voted to request state legislation banning wooden structures one story high within the town limits."
1835 Great New York Fire, "The destroyed wooden buildings were quickly replaced by larger stone and brick ones that were less prone to burn."
1871 Great Chicago Fire, "Authorities believed that with brick walls, the deaths and damage caused would have been much less."
1889 Great Seattle Fire, "A new building ordinance resulted in a downtown of brick and stone buildings, rather than wood"
1914 Great Salem Fire, "Salem Councilman, introduced an order that would have required all new or replacement roof coverings to be non-combustible."

In the 1871 Chicago case, I am not quite sure what wooden buildings they are talking about. Do you see any on this pre-fire schematic?

pre-fire_Chicago_1871.jpg
Than again, I think the above image is all fake. First of all it is not adequately representing the destroyed buildings. For if you do some research into the 1868 Chicago architecture, there might be a surprise waiting for you.

URBAN FIRES
What we have is hundreds, may be thousands of Urban Fires destroying huge chunks of 18th, 19th and early 20th century cities through out the world. It is very hard to find a city which did not suffer this fate. Chicago, Toronto, New York, Seattle, Montreal, Boston, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Sydney,, Moscow, Wellington, Salzburg, Detroit, Lisbon, New Orleans, etc, etc, etc...

My list of the Urban Fires presented below was put together fairly quickly. I did not try to identify every single "Fire" which fits the profile. There were hundreds of additional Urban Fires out there. I live in the US, and Google was obviously region-guiding my search. In reality, no matter what continent you are on, if you have a 200-300 year old city, it most likely suffered one of those fires. The list below, is just a tip of the iceberg.

[Additionally we have devastating floods, earthquakes, hundreds of smaller scale "independence" wars, and the industrial revolution, happening simultaneously with the great after-urban fire rebuilding efforts]

These "Urban Fires" share some traits of striking similarity. These traits give up certain and undeniable relationship between all those fires.
  1. Devastating damages done to the brick and mortar / concrete buildings
  2. Lack of distinctive fire damage signature on the collapsed structures
  3. Presence of the bizarre diagonal wall cuts
  4. Trees and wooden utility poles did not really burn
  5. Often ridiculously insignificant levels of the loss of human life, or the information is not present
  6. Presence of similar people posing for "trophy-like" pictures
  7. Lack of photographic evidence of the clean up activities
  8. Super fast rebuilding activities
  9. Lack of photographic evidence of the rebuilding activities
  10. Presence of the signs announcing future project to be executed at a specific location
  11. Presence of the non-researchable, dead-end "appointed" architects
  12. Presence of the non-researchable buildings
  13. Bizarre fire initiating stories
It is important to understand that we are not talking about some single house fires. These event were total game changers for many of those places, and are being called Great Fires for a reason.

Urban_fire_devastation_map_1.jpg Urban_fire_devastation_map_2.jpg Urban_fire_devastation_map_3.png Urban_fire_devastation_map_4.jpg Urban_fire_devastation_map_5.jpg Urban_fire_devastation_map_6.jpg

1. Devastating damages done to the brick and mortar / concrete buildings

san_francisco_1906.jpg toronto_fire_1904.jpg View from the Southwest corner of Dearborn and Monroe, 1871.JPG The Great Boston Fire of 1872 (2).jpg
1904 damges.jpg Great_chicago_fire_1.jpg Great_chicago_fire_2.jpg great_fire.jpg spokane_fire.jpg

2. Lack of distinctive fire damage signature on the collapsed structures

Today it looks like this
Broadway-fire.jpg Burnt window.jpg

3. Presence of the bizarre diagonal wall cuts

building_cut_1.png building_cut_2.png building_cut_5.png diagonal_cut_1.jpg

4. Trees and wooden utility poles did not really burn
Sometimes even foliage survived the "fire"
trees-and-poles_after_urban_fire_0.jpg trees-and-poles_after_urban_fire_1.jpg trees-and-poles_after_urban_fire_0_1.jpg trees-and-poles_after_urban_fire_2.jpg trees-and-poles_after_urban_fire_3.jpg trees-and-poles_after_urban_fire_4.jpg

5. Often ridiculously insignificant levels of the loss of human life, or the information is not present
(the below are some of the most compelling, impossible numbers)
1842 – Hamburg Fire - 51 killed. 1/4 of the inner city destroyed, and an estimated 20,000 homeless
1845 - Pittsburgh Fire - 2 killed. The fire destroyed as many as 1200 buildings.
1871 - Chicago Fire - 120 killed. Destroyed were 17,500 buildings more than 73 miles (117 km) of roads, 120 miles (190 km) of sidewalk.
1872 - Boston Fire - 76 killed. Destroyed 776 buildings.
1889 - Seattle Fire - 0 killed. Up to 64 city blocks destroyed in the Fire.
1889 - Great Bakersfield Fire - 1 killed. Destroyed 196 buildings.
1901 - Jacksonville Fire - 7 killed. 146 city blocks, destroyed more than 2,368 buildings.
1916 - Paris, Texas Fire - 3 killed. 1,400 buildings destroyed.

6. Presence of people posing for "trophy-like" pictures. Staged?
(clean washed clothing. no shock or strain. very matter of factly)
great_seattle_fire_posers.jpg poser_1.jpg poser_2.JPG 1872_fire_Boston.png poser_6.jpg
poser_3.jpg poser_7.jpg poser_4.jpg poser_5.jpg poser_6.png

7. Lack of photographic evidence of the clean up activities
With millions of tonnes of brick, concrete, marble and other debris to clean up, we have close to zero evidence of any clean up activities. A guy holding a broom is not sufficient. One horse hauling some bricks is not enough. There had to be trains of horse carriages, and armies of people cleaning this up. Remember how long it took to clean up after the 9-11, with all the contemporary excavators and dump trucks. Yet in the 19th century nobody took a picture of thousands of people cleaning the streets, and trains of horses carrying the rubble away. At the very least, this is bizarre.

8. Super fast rebuilding activities

Nothing demonstrates this better than the following article: 1889 Post-Fire Seattle rebuild speed: 5,625 buildings in 18 months. Look into your own city, there might be a surprise waiting for you there. Additional speedy re-building can be seen here as well: Who nuked San Francisco in 1906?

9. Lack of photographic evidence of the rebuilding activities
There were millions of buildings built in the aftermath of these devastating "urban fires". Where is the photographic evidence of any of those buildings being built? You might find a picture or two of some renovation prepped buildings, but where is that "all the world came together-type" re-building activities?

10. Presence of the signs announcing future project to be executed at a specific location

signes_after_fire_2.jpg fire-7-min.png

11. Presence of the non-researchable, dead-end "appointed" architects
Rebuilding had to attract a lot of architects. It sure did. Unfortunately looking into the background of those architects proves to be a dead end. Below are the names and little tiny investigations into four of such architects. They do appear the be some sort of appointed historical figures. They can also be called an investigational dead-end.
You are welcome to try this. Find yourself a 19th century building, identify its assigned architect, and run into the dead end of your own.

12. Presence of the non-researchable buildings

The new "re-built" structures are just as much of an enigma, as the entire story. There is a building, there is an architect, and there is nothing else. There won't be any additional information pertaining to the construction of those newly constructed building, meant to replace the burnt ones. Obviously I can not vouch for every single one out there, but I looked into quite a few, and failed to locate any documents pertaining to construction: supply, delivery, blueprints, factories used, payroll, etc. Below are the buildings I wrote articles on. There were 10-15 more I looked into. You can try and do a research of your own using a building near you.
13. Bizarre fire initiating stories
Most of these fires start with some ridiculous situations, like the one in the image below, which became an urban legend, because of how stupid it sounds.

Cow started the Great Chicago Fire of 1871
the-great-chicago-fire-of-1871--was-caused-by-a-cow.jpg
In Seattle it was water on some glue, in Jacksonville some sparks from a chimney put Spanish Moss on fire. Of course some fires started in a more conventional way, and several are blamed on wars. The aftermath was always the same - destruction of the antique buildings.

List of the "Fires" I put together
(the below list probably includes less than 10% of the "fires")
While it would be interesting to add up all the destroyed buildings, I am not going to dedicate my entire life to this cause :) 1906 San Francisco alone lost 28,000 buildings, 1871 Chicago lost 17,500 buildings. You can imagine the overall results.

SUMMARY: while we are being told that mostly wooden structures were damaged, or destroyed, photographic evidence (whatever little we have) suggests otherwise. It is notable that structures destroyed look very similar to the ones in the article "Similar style buildings are all over the world. Were they built by our civilization?" It is hard to imagine that it took our civilization 150 years to figure out that wood burns. At the same time today's residential districts in the United States are nothing but plywood.

Separately, the so-called "Urban Fire" damages raise questions. I personally still want to know what "fire" was able to cut three of the below blocks in half.

View from the Southwest corner of Dearborn and Monroe, 1871_1.jpg View from the Southwest corner of Dearborn and Monroe, 1871.JPG
Could Herbert George Wells know something back in 1897?

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I am currently working on a presentation on the New Westminster “Great Fire” and like you have shown here there are so many anomalies, I hope others who are interested that may live near these areas do their own report on this subject as well. I’ll post mine back here when I’m done. I gotta say this is without a doubt an important piece of missing history!
 

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I have two comments, perhaps neither are useful but I will say them anyway.
I have a terrible memory, that isn’t the information I was going to share! I watched a YouTube film recently which was based on an interview with a female scientist who explored 911. I believe the lady has also written a book on her findings anyway one of her key “findings“ was that the twin towers seem to turn into dust as they fell, she was able to isolate footage of the original collapse and identified metal struts and followed them as they fell and disintegrated into dust. One of her key identifications behind her theory was that she believed there was not the correct amount of rubble for the collapse of the twin towers. Suppose that these buildings in your pictures had also turned into dust and collapsed? Obviously more research would need to be done around the level of rubble opposed to the size of buildings which had allegedly been destroyed
but that could be something to be considered perhaps?

My second point, which I have absolutely no backup information on as it’s currently a gut feeling work in progress. I am wondering if the world or at least part of it may have been vacant/empty for a period of time somewhere within the last 300 years. I just feel that a lot in the way of building and architecture worldwide seems to have appeared from 1800 onwards. I am 43 which is almost half a century and naff all of any Beauty has developed in my lifetime and architecturally things just do not add up.
Great work by the way, I look forward to reading the developing ideas and other people’s views.
 

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What I find curious about so many buildings destroyed in the 1800's is that there were so many buildings in the 1800's.

Just what was the population in those places during those years requiring that many buildings?

Plus, we're told we logged the crap out of America, deforesting entire swaths of the country in the 1800's. Where are all the wooden buildings on the maps? I see mainly stone structures.

What was the population of Pittsburgh in 1845 that 1000 buildings could be destroyed and yet the city has the wherewithal to carry on?

What did Mobil, Al. do to deserve 4 great fires in 10 days in 1839?

What was so incriminating about Charleston, S.C. that for 6 years (1833-1839) 13 different fires occurred 30 years before the uncivil war? Was the war of aggression used to destroy the remaining evidence?

What was the population of Salem, Ma. in 1914 that 1376 structures could be destroyed without crippling the economic development of the town or its citizens?

Also, (not listed) is the (alleged) Canadian fire of 1780 that was apparently so massive as to cause a 36 hour "horror of darkness " on the east coast USA (during the time of the revolutionary war).

Me thinks DEW weapons have been around for a long while.
 

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What I find curious about so many buildings destroyed in the 1800's is that there were so many buildings in the 1800's.

Just what was the population in those places during those years requiring that many buildings?

Plus, we're told we logged the crap out of America, deforesting entire swaths of the country in the 1800's. Where are all the wooden buildings on the maps? I see mainly stone structures.

What was the population of Pittsburgh in 1845 that 1000 buildings could be destroyed and yet the city has the wherewithal to carry on?

What did Mobil, Al. do to deserve 4 great fires in 10 days in 1839?

What was so incriminating about Charleston, S.C. that for 6 years (1833-1839) 13 different fires occurred 30 years before the uncivil war? Was the war of aggression used to destroy the remaining evidence?

What was the population of Salem, Ma. in 1914 that 1376 structures could be destroyed without crippling the economic development of the town or its citizens?

Also, (not listed) is the (alleged) Canadian fire of 1780 that was apparently so massive as to cause a 36 hour "horror of darkness " on the east coast USA (during the time of the revolutionary war).

Me thinks DEW weapons have been around for a long while.
This is still all pretty new to me but I’m so excited to read your response. Years ago, I studied to be a social worker and at the end of my first year I had a fitness to practice interview. I was given a scenario and had to say how I would respond, I didn’t know because there is only so much info a few lines can give you. What I did have was 100 questions, I passed that FTP with flying colours and really understood from them onwards the value of analysis and enquiry. Too many ppl take information for the narrative “they” want us to gain. I’m not even sure I know what DEW weapons are so I will be off to look into that.
On a side note there were fires in America last year where the houses were totally obliterated yet the surrounding trees remained. At the time, many said that there was foul play involved and pointed towards Flve Gee I suspect now there was more to this, it’s probably worth researching ( you may have already) as not only is it more recent there “should” be more up to date info around it.
I often think that we need to keep some of our findings in a written book and hide it so one day in the future the next civilisation can find it after they too have been lied too!
 

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Yes, we have a thread on here about the California fires and the possibility of DEW weapons used which may be of interest to you.
 

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I am currently working on a presentation on the New Westminster “Great Fire” and like you have shown here there are so many anomalies, I hope others who are interested that may live near these areas do their own report on this subject as well. I’ll post mine back here when I’m done. I gotta say this is without a doubt an important piece of missing history!
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ti1wqICmzmg
 
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