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I am planning to go there this year as it about 250km from my town, to see it first hand.Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: realitycheckDate: 2019-03-07 17:02:50Reaction Score: 9
Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: JuzzerDate: 2019-03-07 18:47:51Reaction Score: 1
I think it may have been added to my list of places I've got to go.. make sure you pick up a PyramidI am planning to go there this year as it about 250km from my town, to see it first hand.
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I have started wondering about these alignments of various structures. If you were constructing a pyramid or other building to collect energy, would it be beneficial to align them to the sun, moon, cardinal directions, and various stars?Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: BrokenAgateDate: 2019-03-19 20:58:43Reaction Score: 2
I had never thought of that, it makes perfect sense. Astrology teaches us we’re all defined by the position of the planets we’re born under, Leo’s are said to have feline features etc.. makes me wonder if the frequency produced would reflect the time of year.Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: JuzzerDate: 2019-03-20 07:43:25Reaction Score: 1
This one really grinds my gears. Sam Osmanagich seems like a genuine ARCHeologist and everything you read on this ordeal makes him sound like a complete kook. The Wikipedia makes my blood boil. Psudeo this psudeo that, all misdirection. They even have the nerve to tease about people “meditating” there. I studied archeology/anthropology in a past life and have been on numerous digs in Israel so this is high on my list of places to work, heck they even take volunteers! Seems very unpretentious unlike other sites I have encountered. That is what makes it feel real to me is that science says this is BS look the other way while the actual people on the ground invite you to come and see with your own eyes. I will attach a few images of a ceramic “resonators” they found In the tunnels, some of which even had running water under them. These are the most facinating finds to me, seems like advanced technology. Something about these mega structures and flowing water I tell ya what. Great YouTube videos of him leading groups into the caverns, yeah it seems tourtisy but who cares if it helps them generate money for further excavation. Everything is very well documented in PDFs on their website chronologically year by year, I really can’t poke any holes in their findings and don’t think any of these artifacts are planted for public intrigue. They mock Bosnians for using this as an attraction as if it is all part of the hoax, give me a break. I think the main reason for denial is any pyramids in Europe would lead to people questioning the mainstream narrative.Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: KronosDate: 2019-04-04 10:32:26Reaction Score: 2
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Great post, I'm going to check it out in a couple of weeks. I just made a post in the Tartary thread which is pertinent to this subject also regarding the ancient history of this area.An Amateur Archaeologist claims he’s discovered the world’s oldest Pyramids in the Balkans. But many experts remain dubious.
An illustration of the largest of the pyramids near Visoko.
Welcome to the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun - also known as Visocica Hill - which, at 220m, dwarfs the Great Pyramids of Egypt.
I was watching this recent ZEG TV Youtube upload of Sam Osmanagich unveiling his big discovery to the world, naturally I became intrigued and wondered.. why don't I know more? There are three Pyramids in total the Pyramid of the Sun, the Pyramid of the Moon, the Pyramid of the Dragon; and two "shaped hills" that he has named the Pyramid of Love and the Temple of Earth. Osmanagich said Visocica's conglomerate blocks were made of concrete that ancient builders had poured on-site. This theory was endorsed by Joseph Davidovits, a French materials scientist who, in 1982, advanced another controversial hypothesis—that the blocks making up the Egyptian Pyramids were not carved, as nearly all experts believe, but cast in limestone concrete. “The concrete is manufactured from material taken from a locally deposited post glacial conglomerate; pebbles and cobbles of varying rock types and sandy quartz limestone. The 'Bosnian Pyramid complex' is of course a pseudo archaeological notion and dismissed by geologists, archeologists, and other scientists. Dated at around 12-15,000 years old.. we're within The Younger Dryas cold snap. His thesis holds that both the Mesoamerican and Egyptian Pyramids are the work of the same people who built the Pyramids of Bosnia Herzegovina and that the Pyramidal complex could be, according to his words, “the mother of all the Pyramids.”
Are they orientated according to the cardinal points?
Of course, as well as being aligned with the four cardinal points, the Pyramidal structures of Visoko also share alignments that are relative to each other. The first and most striking of the structural alignments present is the near perfect equilateral triangle formed between the peaks of the Sun, Moon and Dragon Pyramids. Each side of this triangle is 2.2km in length (+/-2%) and has three internal angles of 60°. Further, by producing a circumcircle around the equilateral triangle it encapsulates the peak of another topographic high point South-West from the Sun Pyramid. Named Cetnica, this spot height is the second highest peak in the area and is also found to have four facets, each Nearby,the highest peak within the local vicinity of Visoko is Krtnica, found west from Cetnica. By drawing a line between the two highest peaks and extending that line eastwards, it indicates that both Krtnica and Cetnica are aligned with the Sun-Moon-Dragon equilateral triangles barycenter.
Map & info from research paper Nine cases for the existence of Pyramids in Bosnia
So this is sounding like my sort of thing, according to Osmanagich it comes complete with tunnels too.. beneath the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids there is an extensive underground tunnel and chamber network which runs for a total of more than ten miles. Below is a map of the underground tunnel system present in the Pyramid of the Sun. The map came from a friend of Osmanagich who works with sophisticated ground penetrating radar from satellites. The big breakthrough happened at the Second International Scientific Conference on Bosnian Pyramids held in September 2011 where Klaus Dona presented the map. It shows several levels (depth) of tunnels, probably connected to each other by vertical shafts, and couple of chambers. Klaus Dona said that most of the chambers are empty, but one "contains bones, and something else that will surprise you when you find it".
The tunnels are color coded: light blue is 5 meters ( 15 feet) under the surface, white is 10 meters (30 feet) deep, blue is 40 meters ( 120 feet) deep, brown is 70 meters (210 feet) deep, yellow is 150 meters (450 feet) deep, black is 180 meters (540 feet) deep, red is 350 meters (1050 feet) deep. The circles are rooms or hollow spaces. Independent researcher and executive director of Serbian Research center “Duh Rtnja” Saša Nađfeji has further analyzed Klaus Dona’s map:
Thanks www.soul-guidance.com for the maps, they have loads of pictures and plenty of information to sink your teeth into.. I may miss a bit here and there.
Check out and explore the Ravne Tunnels with this awesome 360 tour.
Osmanagić began excavations in 2006 and has since reshaped one of the hills, making it look like a stepped pyramid. The academic community called for the government to end funding of excavations and disruption of the site because of the damage to true archaeological resources. It would seem as though Osmanagić may have upset a few people in the academic world, the next few years would see a rise in disinformation and mainstream archaeologists calling for MSM to cease all reporting on the Bosnian pyramid complex.
Furthermore, mainstream scholars such as Curtis Runnels, an American expert on prehistoric Greece and the Balkans from Boston University, claimed that the people who inhabited Bosnia and Herzegovina in the past, were a primitive people who were small in number and who “did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture.”
But Runnels, for example, is clearly underestimating the ancient people that lived on the earth thousands of years ago.
The Cyclopean Walls of Daorson.
Daorson was built around a central fort or acropolis, surrounded by cyclopean walls made of huge stone blocks.. those look quite familiar to the trained eye. Daorson was the capital of a Hellenised Illyrian tribe called the Daorsi. The Daorsi lived in the valley of the Neretva River between 300 BC and 50 BC. The remnants of Daorson can be found at Ošanići, near Stolac, in Bosnia.
The hill fort was built on a prehistoric fortified settlement which had been in existence there since the early 17/16th century BCE to the end of the late Bronze Age 9/8th century BCE. The date of the ransacking of the town of Daorson that finally put an end to human settlement there can be determined with fair accuracy as the mid or second half of the 1st century BCE from the details of the wars waged by the Roman Praetor Vatinius against the Delmati. No permanent settlement ever arose on the ruins of the town of Daors. There is ample evidence of its advanced culture and civilization: it minted its own coins and produced complex artistically decorated buckles, there is graffiti on shards of pottery vessels, and parts of stone statues of human figures some 2 m in height were found.
The megalithic wall, erected following the lie of the land, has been dated to the 4th century BCE, when both towers were probably built following the construction of the wall. The rest of the acropolis is of later date, through to the 1st century BCE. One of the most important finds is a helmet with the Greek inscription ΠΙИ, probably the abbreviated Illyrian name of the owner PINNES; it was probably made in the 3rd century BCE.
"Real archeologists" tell us that some primitive tribes cut huge blocks of stones, right angled, surfaces flat and weighing tons, to construct their buildings, without considering they didn't have the tools to move or lift them. The stones have been cut so precisely that you can't get a credit card in between. These stone blocks, and their construction, look to me to be of the same as we find in Peru, at Ollantaytambo, Machu Picchu and Sacsayhuamán and many other places around the world.
This gives you an idea of the size of the stone blocks
Here is a chapter from the summer issue of The European Archaeologist from 2006, with a letter to the London Times.
That Bosnian pyramid! (by Anthony Harding) President EAA
Few EAA members will have escaped the news about the “discovery” of a colossal pyramid at Visoko in Bosnia. It has been everywhere in the media in recent months. If you have been on another planet recently, then go to one of many websites where you can find comparable information. Details vary, but in essence the hill in question is said to be a vast man-made structure: “The hill of Visočica is a colossal step pyramid with its height of 220 meters and a monumental paved access plateau 420 meters long, and with an underground complex of tunnels”, to quote the website. And the date? 12 000 BP apparently.
I was first alerted to the existence of this project in January, through a message from an army major serving with the European Force (EUFOR) in Bosnia-Herzegovina. I confess that I took little notice of it at the time, imagining that it was another crackpot idea which would go the way of all such notions. I could not have been more wrong. The promoter of the scheme, one Sam Osmanagic (an expatriate Bosnian who has made his money in the US), has cash to throw around and sees his role as a mission not only to investigate and safeguard the “pyramid”, but also to provide help for the impoverished region in which it lies. Unfortunately neither he nor any of his collaborators appear to have any qualifications whatsoever to be conducting archaeological investigations, and it seems that there are genuine ancient sites on the hill in question. All this is apart from the fact that the whole thing is a colossal piece of charlatanry, as the slightest acquaintance with archaeology would have shown.
On 15 April the London Times devoted a whole page to the story, without consulting their archaeology correspondent, Norman Hammond. I wrote to the editor pointing out that it would be much better to support Bosnia’s imperilled sites and monuments, and those who are trying to protect them, than to give credence to crazy stories like this. My letter was printed on 25 April, and the published version can be read online. There are two aspects to this sad affair, it seems to me. The first is the situation of archaeology and heritage management in Bosnia-Herzegovina. From what we hear, professionals in these fields are doing their best on slender resources but are commonly ignored or bypassed, with the result that anyone with money or connections can do more or less what they want in terms of development or building. In June I will visit Sarajevo with Predrag Novaković and Sylvie Květinová to talk to some of the people who are trying to protect Bosnia’s heritage, and to find out how our support could best be mobilised.
A research paper by Master of Philosophy TERA C. PRUITT Trinity College Department of Archaeology University of Cambridge
ADDRESSING INVENTED HERITAGE: THE CASE OF THE BOSNIAN PYRAMIDS
Most archaeologists dismiss or simply acknowledge the Bosnian pyramid case as cut-and-dry pseudoarchaeology; it fits securely within any diagnosis of fabricated science, leaving no question as to how mainstream archaeological professionals can define and categorize it. But a closer look shows that this type of case study is much larger and more complicated than simple labels like ‘real’ or ‘pseudo’ can characterize.
This study, when positioned in its contextual framework, illustrates how much larger processes form the conditions in which alternative accounts thrive and how such ‘alternative archaeology’ affects mainstream archaeological discourse. This case represents manifold questions: why is a site of invented heritage so popular in Bosnia while genuine archaeological sites go unnoticed or are intentionally disregarded? Is such invented heritage malicious or harmless? What is the value in studying such invented heritage? What defines an archaeologist and who has the authority to say what is archaeology, what is authentic or invented, and what is not? Could the professional community have acted to prevent or alter the project’s popularity, and is it their job respond in such a situation? In a profession that admits room for a great deal of diversity in the way it explains the past, where do we draw the line between a pluralist vision of the past and an invented re/construction?
So what I can make from that is there was the mainstream EAA preventing information getting out, and "real archeologists" not wanting to believe there was advanced technologies long ago.. was only a matter of time.
Lets take a look at some of the artifacts recovered from the Pyramids,
The first picture they have called this an amulet, an artifact comprised out of two kinds of stone materials, found on the slope of the Pyramid of the Dragon.
The second picture is a stone with incisions found on the Pyramid of the Sun. It turned out to be a map of the valley, with the positions of the Pyramids, some tunnels and other locations.
We also find Runic writing
There is a hypothesis that there were three civilizations that used the Ravne tunnels for some purposes. The first one is the one that built the tunnels and used the Ravne tunnels material for the Bosnian Sun Pyramid, the second was the one that built the other Pyramids around, like the Bosnian Moon Pyramid. The third was the civilization that closed the tunnels for some thousand years ago. After the carbon datings it has been proved that the Ravne tunnels are at least 30 000 years old. Could there be a fourth culture that closed the tunnels and made the symbols on the megalith? Could Germanic tribes have written these runes? Are they the last people that went inside the tunnels before they were closed by the filling material? The discovery of the symbols on one of the megaliths in Ravne raises more questions than answers.
Many scholars have noted that the claims have been used for serious ideological, political and economic gains by various factions in Bosnia. Although Osmanagić's claims have been completely disproved by the scientific community, the site has attracted pseudoscience enthusiasts. By June 2016, Osmanagic had completed an "archeological park" at one of the hills, where he attracts volunteers who are constructing botanical gardens; meditation sessions have been held at the site. It has been noted that tourist traffic has aided the economy of this small Muslim town, located near the front of the war that destroyed so much of the country in the late 20th century.
Lets remind ourselves where Bosnia is..
As you can see we have direct connection to the Mediterranean, maybe this idea of the Ancient stone builders isn't as far fetched as academics like to make out after all, we know the Phoenicians (known as the "sea people" for a reason) liked to sail.
A little of the narrated history of Bosnia..
Bosnia and Herzegovina traces permanent human settlement back to the Neolithic age, during and after which it was populated by several Illyrian and Celtic civilizations. Culturally, politically, and socially, the country has a rich history, having been first settled by the Slavic peoples that populate the area today from the 6th through to the 9th centuries. In the 12th century the Banate of Bosnia was established, which evolved into the Kingdom of Bosnia in the 14th century, after which it was annexed into the Ottoman Empire, under whose rule it remained from the mid-15th to the late 19th centuries. The Ottomans brought Islam to the region, and altered much of the cultural and social outlook of the country. This was followed by annexation into the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, which lasted up until World War I. In the interwar period, Bosnia and Herzegovina was part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and after World War II, it was granted full republic status in the newly formed Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Following the dissolution of Yugoslavia, the republic proclaimed independence in 1992, which was followed by the Bosnian War.
From 1992-1995 Bosnia was a violent, international mess. The Serbian army besieged the capital of Sarajevo, killing many civilians. Bosnian Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks were divided, and the country became a three-way ethnic battlefield between Bosnia, Serbia and Croatia. Although atrocities were committed on all sides, Bosniak Muslims were the most targeted and victimized ethnic group. The country experienced the largest genocide in Europe since the Holocaust; it is estimated that 150,000 people died, mostly Muslims, and half the country was left homeless or fled the country.
Osmanagić seems to have gathered a number of archeologists in support of his find, as I scrawl through multiple pages of research, pictures and videos, I'm starting to see why.. here we have the Stone Sphere.
Associated with ancient cultures who were able to shape perfect spheres out of different rock. Yes Bosnia is home to these too, these, I have come across before.. it is said to have an "extremely high" iron content. It must weigh a few tons. Sam Osmanagich said actually less than half of the ball is uncovered. "Preliminary results show the radius to be between 1.2 – 1.5 meters. Materials have not been analyzed yet. However, brown and red color of the ball point to very high content of the iron. So, the density has to be very high, close to the iron which is 7,8 kg/m3. If we take value of only 5 kg/c.c. we have all the elements for the preliminary calculation of the mass. Mass comes to be over 30 tons!" According to Sams researcher, the region used to have many more of the spheres well into the 20th century. But many were apparently destroyed in the 1970s due to rumours there was gold hidden in them.
A lecturer at the University of Manchester School of Earth, Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences claims that the spherical stone may be an example of concretion. This is when a compact mass of rock is formed by the precipitation of natural mineral cement within the spaces between sediment grains. The result is often spherical in shape, with the process forming the famed Koutu boulders in New Zealand.
Costs Rica is home to hundreds of Stone Spheres all strewn along its beaches, locally, they are known as 'Las Bolas' (literally 'The Balls').
Seems I have a new branch of inquiry, I haven't even begun yet.. I think I've covered about all I can, I will be watching this unfold with great interest.
Sam Osmanagich book: World of the Maya
Bosnian pyramids official website
Youtubes Channel: Conspi New Facts 2019
Express Article: Bosnia pyramid SHOCK: How ancient civilisation used 'SAME POWER' as Egyptians
Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: BalibrewDate: 2019-09-02 07:38:32Reaction Score: 2
Mainstream archaologists run a mile from anything remotely challenging the official narrative and those in powerful positions are ruthless in trying to destroy truth finders like Sam Osmanagich. There are other recently discovered pyramids and i visited one of them in W. Java last year, its called Gunung Padang and its very very big indeed. The Indo Govt have called a halt to investigating this megalithic site. It is an interesting fact that the oldest parts of the pyramids inJava and in Bosnia have the highest standard of workmanship and that the latest additions are of a much poorer standard.This one really grinds my gears. Sam Osmanagich seems like a genuine ARCHeologist and everything you read on this ordeal makes him sound like a complete kook. The Wikipedia makes my blood boil. Psudeo this psudeo that, all misdirection. They even have the nerve to tease about people “meditating” there. I studied archeology/anthropology in a past life and have been on numerous digs in Israel so this is high on my list of places to work, heck they even take volunteers! Seems very unpretentious unlike other sites I have encountered. That is what makes it feel real to me is that science says this is BS look the other way while the actual people on the ground invite you to come and see with your own eyes. I will attach a few images of a ceramic “resonators” they found In the tunnels, some of which even had running water under them. These are the most facinating finds to me, seems like advanced technology. Something about these mega structures and flowing water I tell ya what. Great YouTube videos of him leading groups into the caverns, yeah it seems tourtisy but who cares if it helps them generate money for further excavation. Everything is very well documented in PDFs on their website chronologically year by year, I really can’t poke any holes in their findings and don’t think any of these artifacts are planted for public intrigue. They mock Bosnians for using this as an attraction as if it is all part of the hoax, give me a break. I think the main reason for denial is any pyramids in Europe would lead to people questioning the mainstream narrative.