BS Cover Stories for Ancient Ruins

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This video was literally made with SH in mind.
Golf courses to hide ruins? Check.
Silly cover stories about an 18th century ruins fad? Check.
Follies and the like were just fads for the elite? Check.
Rome ruins under 30ft. of dirt? You betcha.


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Username: Tarheel
Date: 2020-07-15 22:06:20
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It's videos like this and like Wooden Nickel's recent 'Castle' videos that make you feel a collective conscious.

An unseen, but greatly felt hive-mind that 'awakens' this old knowledge, if you will.

This snowball is rolling downhill fast and it's accumulating!
 
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Username: Divine Wind
Date: 2020-07-16 17:54:36
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For those who don't know, there are several forever- non-hidden Roman ruins in England. My gut feeling is that there was some effort to hide many of the more elegantly designed temples and palaces.

Inside information here, an old friend of mine's father led the team that actually discovered Fishbourne Palace in the early 60's, and several people wanted to just press ahead with the new water main and it's designed route, and break up part of the ruins, bury the main, back-fill and carry on. Archeologists had to fight the local water compant to prevent this happening, and when they kept digging, they just couldn't believe what they eventually found. This palace is the largest domestic Roman dwelling in England, and also anywhere north of the Alps. What is strange about this palace, apart from almost all of the above ground structure being knocked down, is that the local councils in days gone past built a main road (2 xsingle carriagways) over a lot of the palace with adjacent housing also sitting on top. Was this by design? with the roads and local housing covering up an enormous amount of floor mosaics?

The floor mosaics, tiling and layouts are extremely elegant and the original missing structure was substantial.

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Around 8 miles away is Portchester Castle, a solidly built structure with a Roman fort, an inside Saxon Church, and a Norman keep added to the fort which certainly makes it a castle. The Roman fort walls must be 7/8 metres high in places, with some part even higher, and it is the best preserved Roman fort in Northern Europe. The fort is one of a chain of 5/6 Roman forts/ castles on the south coast of England. All the forts are solid and well constructed, and they have often been used as storehouses, and dwellings through the ages. The fort and others are all 1700 years old or older.

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My suggestion is that the Forts/ Castles were all rather functional, and none have contained impressive water systems, drainage, or elegant designs with mosaics. Therefore, there was no point in hiding them/ pulling them down, as they didn't interefere with the idea of the European renaissance and fine art and design, unlike the domestic dwellings.


The Roman Baths in the city of Bath is quite possibly key here, they are also of a very elegant design, and are quite tall, and have old obvious facilities and technology within the overall structure. Therefore you would need to research whether or not these were accidently uncovered/discovered or whether it was a character who knew what he was looking for outside of the establishment (1878 discovered by Major Charles Davis). One thing is crystal clear to my mind, a structure this high doesn't get buried by accident, just maybe the people who buried it loved it so much they kept the structure intact - unlike at Fishbourne.

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The big problem here might be the name of course ie the city of Bath gave everyone the word 'bath', so they would have always known that there would be natural baths here - unless someone tried and failed to change the name of the town - another bit of research for somebody here.

The Story Behind the Roman Baths in Bath
 
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2020-07-17 14:50:08
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Anything labeled "Roman," to me anyway, should be judged suspicious.
I think it may be possible that some Roman ruins are from earlier cultures.
The issue we have is that many cultures have incorporated older constructions into their new ones built on top. A layer cake of history.
My gut feeling is that Bath may represent this theory.
Are we sure all mosaics are Roman and Greek? I wonder...
 
Here's a connection I made recently. There was a thread years ago about how golf course could be use as an excuse to literally cover the ground of buried cities. I was re-reading the thread about the crumbling buried pillars of the Ritz hotel in Half-Moon Bay, when I stumbled upon this picture:
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What do you see all around? Golf course.
Those pillars were definitely NOT "an erosion counter measure". It was allegedly built in 1970s - they had good engineers back then. No engineer would have consider this a good erosion measure.

I think I'll do a day trip and get pictures of the bay and hotel, I'm just a few hours away.
 
No its not an erosion counter measure. It is a piled foundation topped with a reinforced concrete ring put there for a hotel extension that was never built because of the erosion to the cliff. All the evidence is presemted there in the thread you linked to.

Here is the original golf course cover story thread. Merging this one into that one makes a lot of sense to me.
BS Cover Stories for Ancient Ruins

And heres another.
Savannah Georgia: Fire or Faux?
And another.
SH Archive - Inconvenient questions about the war; Just a few queries the world should answer before we do it all once more
And another.
SH Archive - 19th century St. Augustine, Florida architecture
 
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Not only do golf courses cover important past information, but flooded towns and cities, most electrical wires that have paths of old roads and water canals, and much more infrastructure that the typical human has no clearance to investigate. There are "secret" canals, tunnels, dams, and old infrastructure everywhere. I also see old pump houses that look out of place in dry environments. No one would equate pump house with desert climate, so they go unrecognized. Most people don't pay attention, or would call me crazy if I pointed something like that out to them and they would refute the facts.

There are sooooooo many underground cities that show proof of past civilizations, and proves most of the "myth" stories where peoples had to retreat to underground coverage to survive a cataclysm.
 
I love Fishbourne at the start of this post. Chedworth Roman Villa is another interesting one, which made me age 7 want to be an archaeologist. Excavation is very highly controlled. One local company I worked for ad hoc 20 years ago was founded by and all permanent staff were the same year at the University of Edinburgh.

Edinburgh has several places in the Old Town said to have been buried or shut off due to the plague. Mary Kings Close is a major tourist attraction now, but in the 1980s it was only a few that actually talked about it and when I first visited in the 1990s it was led by the city's archivist as just so happens to be beside the city chambers! On the South side near me and there are tunnels by an old waste treatment unit, which they built houses on, that to me look like something else.

I met the man recently who illustrated many of the books I read as a child, and even age 94, he could tell me about how much 'research' he did ensure they were 'correct' historically.

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There's a city in Minas Gerais, called São Tomé das Letras, with a quite interesting cave that leads to a massive underground tunnel. The total extension of it is unclear, but some evidence suggests a path all the way to Machu Picchu!

Due to government interferance, a full on independant research endeavour is not possible at the moment, but the locals who are aware of said tunnels aren't buying into any mainstream explanations anymore
 
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