SH Archive 1530: The Great Flood of Rome

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The below video popped up in my YT feed. I guess I would like to recommend watching it, for the video is really interesting. It is obvious the author spent days researching, translating and presenting his findings. Here is the description provided with the video:

• This is a project that has been months in the making. We came across these two documents from the "1530"s or "i/J530" that gives an account of the incredible damage of Rome from a huge flood. Have you ever wondered how "ancient Rome" was destroyed and turned into ruins? We might have the answer!

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"Actual" Destruction of "Ancient" Rome - The Terrible Deluge In The Noble City of Rome"

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This is a project that has been months in the making. We came across these two documents from...

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The research, as far as I understand, is based (in part) on two older books written in Middle French:

• The terrible deluge that occurred in the noble city and town of Rome​
• Copy of the letters of the terrible flood which occurred in the noble city and city of Rome​
• Translation​

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Judge for yourself, but may be the information presented in the above research could shed some light on why the Rome had to go through some excavation activities. But essentially, there is much more in this video than just the mud flood alone. The author talks about timing, papal inconsistencies, and many other things.

• Excavation of Rome: archaeologists are silent

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[Mabzynn]

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Not quite the same year but pretty startling and sounds straight out of Velikovsky.

The Life of Martin Luther Gathered from His Own Writings

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2020-01-21 02:28:38
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I think one of the main points presented in the video comes down to this devastating flood not being properly advertised in the official Rome related historic narrative. The other point would be people and events existing during the wrong historical periods.

At the same time in November 1530 we allegedly had a major flood in Netherlands:

• The St. Felix's flood happened on Saturday, 5 November 1530, the name day of St. Felix. This day was later known as Evil Saturday (kwade zaterdag). Large parts of Flanders and Zeeland were washed away, including the Verdronken Land van Reimerswaal. According to Audrey M. Lambert, "all the Oost Wetering of Zuid-Beveland was lost, save only the town of Reimerswaal."
• St. Felix's flood - Wikipedia

May be this event was a bit more global than we are lead to believe.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-01-21 02:31:24
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Oh, I thought we were just cheering Rome getting flooded...
Just kidding!
Probably LOTS of the missing narratives are current narrators getting their asses handed to them in one way or another. Shows weakness. Loses face. Either by nature or peasant revolt.
Empire rewriting itself.

 

[Mabzynn]

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It's referencing 1530:
Loosely: In this year in the middle of October a flood came to the city of Rome causing the Pope, Cardinals, and large part of the population to abandon the city. Around November a similar flood hit Flandres and Holland.

It also mentions Cardinal d'Yort (Thomas Wolsey) saying he was poisoned.

Then you have these works commemorating it later:

Also explains this flood map popping up between 1500-1699

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2020-01-21 12:21:51
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In this year in the middle of October a flood came to the city of Rome causing the Pope, Cardinals, and large part of the population to abandon the city.

Does it by any chance mention the Pope’s name in there?

 

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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-01-21 12:34:45
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The tiber flooded a lot.
8 October 1530: 18.95 meters above sea level
Flood Markers, Rome 1530
When the Tiber Grows

The Pope is Clement VII aka Giulio di Giuliano de' Medici an member of the revolving door arstocratic/theocratic popery.
7 March 1530 - Pope Clement VII Forbids Henry VIII to Marry Again - The Anne Boleyn Files

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2020-01-21 12:38:53
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I think in the video the author is talking about a different Pope mentioned in the texts he based his video on.

 

[Mabzynn]

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Does it by any chance mention the Pope’s name in there?

"Clement" but there's no association with the Medici's. Never gives a family name from what I can remember. I'll dig through it later because it parallels a lot of that what the book on the destruction of Troy was saying. (edited for Synchronicity because this book came up again through more digging).

So it seems to be discussing the known "Clement (but never once is Medici mentioned)" because they both may have died from poisoning.

Also interesting... Prince of Orange shows up in 1534 right before the death of the Pope. Then Paul III is made Pope who legitimizes the Society of Jesuits.

Also another source:

Les annalles et cronicque de France, Volume 2 - 1538


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In July of 1530 many children returned to France after a great deluge in Rome that killed many great people.
In October another deluge that caused the Pope, Cardinals, and population to abandon the city.
In November a deluge in Flandres and Hollande that killed a noble Princess Marguerite de Flandres (weird).
This year in Portugal many cities and castles were built where many people died.
Has the bit referencing the Thomas Wolsley character being poisoned as well calls him - "Cardinal Dyorth"

So Marguerite de Flandres is referencing Margaret of Austria because the last Margeurite de Flandres was in the early 15th century. Margaret of Austria... Go here for some more info on why this character is so important: 1516: Noah in Tartary

She had a book commissioned that I think was way too revealing, but if Flandres did indeed exist at this point then she was not working on behalf of the Holy Roman Empire which is even more interesting. This is how they say she died officially... lol:

In November 1530, one of Margaret's maids broke a glass goblet. A splinter of glass went into Margaret's foot and the wound became gangrenous. Her doctors strongly recommended that she agree to having her foot amputated. She gave her consent for the operation, received the sacrament, and revised her will. Before the amputation could be performed, however, she died, apparently from an overdose of opium given to her in preparation for the operation.

Follow the fake history: Category:1530 deaths - Wikipedia

Constantine Komnenos Arianites - This a strange name. Check out his heraldry:

A Boniface IV who was never a Pope. Died falling off a horse.
A whole bunch of Brits.
Too many to list but people and rulers all over the world:

Tenochtitlan - Andrés de Tapia Motelchiuhtzin Huitznahuatlailótlac was the ruler of Tenochtitlan (1525–1530).

Southeast Asia - Sultan Mahmud Shah ibni Almarhum Sultan Muhammad Shah (died 1530) is the fifth Sultan of Pahang who reigned from 1519 to 1530.

Korea - Queen Jeonghyeon or Queen Jung-Hyun (21 July 1462 – 13 September 1530)

Scotland - Alexander Gordon, Master of Sutherland (c.1505-1530), Scottish magnate.

Wallachia - Moise (died 29 August 1530)

A Roche - Estienne de La Roche (1470–1530) was a French mathematician.

Maximilian Sforza (1493 – 4 June 1530) was a Duke of Milan from the Sforza family

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2020-01-21 15:41:14
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Somewhere about 30 minute mark, he talks about Pope Gregory. I guess this pope was mentioned in the researched texts and is somehow related to the 1530 flood. There is no sequential number attached to Gregory, and Clement was the Pope at the time, at least per the narrative.

 

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Adrian VI born Adriaan Florensz Boeyens preceddeed Ckement VII. Don't where Gregory comes in. Was he the antipope?
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Gregory VI (Antipope)

 

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Adrian VI born Adriaan Florensz Boeyens preceddeed Ckement VII. Don't where Gregory comes in. Was he the antipope?
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Gregory VI (Antipope)

The guy explains that in the video. It’s somewhere in the researched texts, I think.

 

[usselo]

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Date: 2020-01-21 17:26:30
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In July of 1530 ...
This year in Portugal many cities and castles were built where many people died.

That sounds close to a newly-suspected 1531 Portuguese earthquake (not to be confused with the heavily-promoted 1755 Lisbon 'earthquake' and tsunami). PDF too large to upload unfortunately but it is WCEE2012_0685.pdf after jd755 found it online (thanks jd755!).

Title: The 1531 Lisbon earthquake and tsunami
Authors: J. Miranda, J. Batlló, H. Ferreira, L. M. Matias
Institution: Instituto Dom Luiz, Universidade de Lisboa, Portugal

Presumed supervisor: M. A. Baptista
Institution: Instituto Superior da Universidade de Lisboa, IDL, Lisboa, Portugal

Presumed presented at: 15 WCEE, Lisboa 2012

The establishment of the scientific knowledge concerning the 1531 event has an unusual story: in the
aftermath of the 1909 earthquake Osorio (1919), a Portuguese scholar, found in a Lisbon bookshop a
copy of a four page letter addressing the Marquis of Tarifa (Spain) describing the large earthquake that
took place in Lisbon in the year of 31. Osorio (1919) concluded that it related to a disastrous earth-
quake on January, 26 1531. In a Portuguese newspaper of 5 June 1909, Brito (1909) described the
discovery of an unsigned manuscript containing eyewitness descriptions of the 26th January 1531 in
Lisbon area. In the compilation made by Sousa (1919) of the information related with the 1755 Lisbon
earthquake, more information was recovered, because the well-known Marques Pombal inquiry,
included a tenth question saying “Do you remember any previous earthquake and the damage it may
have caused in each place?” (Arquivo Ministério do Reino, 1761). The answers strongly support the
occurrence of the 1531 event.

Henriques et al. (1988) presented a systematic compilation of the Portuguese sources related with the
1531 earthquake and used the data to constrain the Portuguese seismic catalog. The compilation
includes more than one hundred different historical sources describing the effects of the shock in the
estuary between Lisbon and Santarém (see figure 1a ad 1b). Justo & Salwa (1998) made the most
comprehensive geophysical study of this event, adding additional historical data from Spain. Their
study focused on the earthquake effects and their relationship with the geological environment of each
site. In particular, they refute the claims of significant earthquake effects far away from the NE Lisbon
area, concluding that its source area should be located in the presumed Lower Tagus Fault Zone,
without attributing it to a specific tectonic unit.

Several descriptions relate water agitation in the Tagus...

I came across this event last summer after noting that mainstream explanations for Portugual's ossuaries sometimes self-contradict. Mainstream claims they are bones of thousands of clergy who died helping Portuguese plague victims but sometimes alleges they are the bones of thousands of plague victims themselves. In one case, local myth contradicts clerical myth, claiming they are the bones of victims of a celestial event.

That said, one's eyebrow twitches at the presented explanation, it being an relatively run-of-the-mill explanation for an event whose historiography is 'an unusual story' in a country where clerical myth-making has transformed into academic myth-making.

Have been working up a post on the plentiful mythological and physical evidence of celestial events in Portuguese skies (pre-Fatima). But while the evidence is plentiful; the time to write them up is less so.

 

[Mabzynn]

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Alright so another source here has a bunch on the New World. Like the Spanish controlled the Fort of Saint Helen which was the marker for the northernmost point of the Norumbega region. So definitely not built in 1820. The people born over here are a brass color from a certain ointment they use in the sun but are often born quite white. Lots of hermaphrodites. Says the Spanish only hold 3 well manned forts with people and cannons in this region. One fort had already fallen to the "Drak" (Dragon or Francis Drake). No more derailing.

The book also discusses the recent damages in Rome and in the Netherlands area and describes another flood event in 1532:

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Right at the start of their? translation the say

His excellence Saint Gregory declares who signifies these various deluge, and signs that also happened in the said town of Rome are said in this manner.

Here's Saint Gregory. Pope Saint Gregory the Great - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

Pope Saint Gregory I, also known as the Great, was the Pope of the Catholic Church between 590 and 604 AD.

Title: The 1531 Lisbon earthquake and tsunami
Authors: J. Miranda, J. Batlló, H. Ferreira, L. M. Matias
Institution: Instituto Dom Luiz, Universidade de Lisboa, Portugal

This it? The 1531 Lisbon earthquake and tsunami

 

[Mabzynn]

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Right at the start of their? translation the say

Here's Saint Gregory. Pope Saint Gregory the Great - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

This it?

Right... Rome flooded twice from these sources... Once around the year 600 and again around 1530's.

 

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Date: 2020-01-21 17:38:17
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Does anyone have any sort of dictionary access to a dictionary in any language of the time to see just what deluge actually meant back then?

Right... Rome flooded twice from these sources... Once around the year 600 and again around 1530's.

I share your mistrust of dates of these claimed events but 900 years is one hell of a long time between floods let alon remebering what a long dead pope/saint said about them, or am I misconnecting things?

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2020-01-21 17:55:47
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Right... Rome flooded twice from these sources... Once around the year 600 and again around 1530's.

According to that page dug up by JD, Rome got flooded quite a few times. 600ad not on the list though.

• 1277, 1422, 1495, 1530, 1557, 1598, 1647, 1660, 1805, 1846, 1858, 1870, 1878, 1900, 1915, and 1937.

As far as his excellence Saint Gregory goes... are we even sure we are talking about a Pope here?

If we indeed are, I do not see why some thousand year old event/pope would get referenced in docs pertaining to 1530s.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-01-21 17:58:28
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Damn near everybody else around that mud puddle would have been soggy as well. Europe and Africa...
Where did the papacy retreat to?...

 

[usselo]

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This it? The 1531 Lisbon earthquake and tsunami.

Yep. Link added to my post too. Thanks jd755.