SH Archive 1530: The Great Flood of Rome

[Mabzynn]

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In 1658 in The New World of Words or a General English Dictionary these are the only references:

SOURCE

In 1691 from a French Dictionary apparently it meant DELUGE. And, Inundation meant inondation/deluge. Classic.

SOURCE

Other references in the dictionary:

Dictionaries as we know them don't really pop up until the 1600's. Sounds like the Confusion of Languages after a flood eh.

 

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I will do a thread later on on why I think dates similar to 1450 - 1550 - 1650 could be referring to the exact same span of time. In other words we could have roughly 100 years worth of events spread out to cover 300. Kind of like 1400-1700 equals 100.

Scaliger definitely mixed stuff up imho. When we add this Gregory to the equation, stuff gets real screwed up.

 

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Date: 2020-01-21 19:16:27
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I found this 100 years on, final part of Latin Dictionary is finished

"This is the first ever comprehensive description of the vocabulary of the Latin language used in Britain and by Britons between AD 540 to 1600

Which has an online access, though limited.

• inundatio

Which is a dictionary of Latin words from British sources apparently
From google translate deluge is inundatio in Latin
Using that dictionay I get these.
ĭnundātĭo, ōnis, f. inundo,

1. Ian overflowing, inundating, inundation (postAug.): fluminum,

1 flooding, flood; b (fig. and in fig. context); c (w. ref. to invading army).
2 a downpouring, downpour (of rain); b copious flow (of tears, blood).

inundātiō, ōnis f (inundo) (postklass.) overstroming.

 

[Mabzynn]

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A lot of this is in the traditional history - October 8 – A flood engulfs Rome. But it just seems not even discussed?

My real question is why was the coronation of Charles V done in Bologna during this period? The only one ever.

Towers of Bologna: the skyscrapers of the 12th century?

Here's my guess why. Go ahead and delete all the Popes in yellow if you want a more accurate representation of "Pope Characters" in history:

 

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Are the interregnums the times when it went to complete shit and they couldn't get it together? Or obfuscations?
Power slippages...

 

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My real question is why was the coronation of Charles V done in Bologna during this period?

According to the author named at the ednd of this passage it was at Charles V's insistence due to the risk of attack from Ottomans.

From here The entry of Charles V into Bologna | British Library - Picturing Places
The Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500–58, reg. 1519–56) entered Bologna on the sedia gestatoria on 5 November 1529 for his coronation by Clement VII. Imperial coronations normally took place in Rome, but Charles wanted to meet in Bologna because of reports that the Ottomans were approaching Vienna, to which he could return more quickly if needed. A papal bull ratified the coronation on 1 December 1529. The formal ceremony took place in the church of S. Petronio, which had been decorated to look like St Peter’s. At the first part of the ceremony on 22 February 1530 the iron crown was placed, and on 24 February, the imperial crown (Cadenas y Vicent 1992, pp. 206–10). Charles remained in Bologna until 22 March 1530, meeting nobles, ambassadors and ecclesiastics to resolve military matters, negotiate treaties and form alliances (Tracy 2010, pp. 119–22).

 

[Mabzynn]

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According to the author named at the ednd of this passage it was at Charles V's insistence due to the risk of attack from Ottomans.

From here The entry of Charles V into Bologna | British Library - Picturing Places
The Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500–58, reg. 1519–56) entered Bologna on the sedia gestatoria on 5 November 1529 for his coronation by Clement VII. Imperial coronations normally took place in Rome, but Charles wanted to meet in Bologna because of reports that the Ottomans were approaching Vienna, to which he could return more quickly if needed. A papal bull ratified the coronation on 1 December 1529. The formal ceremony took place in the church of S. Petronio, which had been decorated to look like St Peter’s. At the first part of the ceremony on 22 February 1530 the iron crown was placed, and on 24 February, the imperial crown (Cadenas y Vicent 1992, pp. 206–10). Charles remained in Bologna until 22 March 1530, meeting nobles, ambassadors and ecclesiastics to resolve military matters, negotiate treaties and form alliances (Tracy 2010, pp. 119–22).

The Roman Republic was proclaimed on 15 February 1798 after Louis Alexandre Berthier, a general of Napoleon, had invaded the city of Rome on 10 February. Anything before this date connecting the current Catholic Church and the Vatican to Rome is no good.

 

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From the weather pdf linked to in the useful sources thread.

1530 A.D. A great sea flood (St. Felix's Flood) occurred on November 4 in Holland. 400,000 people drowned.
In Holland, there was a great flood in November.
In 1530, there was a general inundation by the failure of the dikes in Holland; the number of drowned said to have been 400,000.

In November 1530, a flood from the sea ravaged Calais (France), Antwerp (Belgium), Cluse, Gravesend (England), Mardyck (France), Dunkirk (France), Neuport (Newport, England) and almost all the Zealand (Denmark).

In England, on November 4th and 5th there was great wind, which blew down houses and trees, then a high tide, which drowned the marshes of Essex, Kent and Thanet, and drowned much cattle.
In England, there was a great flood all the year. In Rome, Italy on 8 October, there was a great flood.
In France, the heat was extraordinary during the summer.
The fate of Rome, Italy caused by the Tiber River overflowing its banks in 1530 was compared to the carnage cause the inundation of the sea in 1521 that killed 100,000 people.
From here The Coronation of Charles V: The Largest and Most Important Gathering of Nobles in the 16th Century

Recording the triumphal and majestic procession of Charles V (1500-1558), Clement VII (Giulio de Medici known as the "lord of all cunning" by his fellow Florentines), and all the Princes and Dukes of the Spanish empire, after Charles's coronation as Holy Roman Emperor at Bologna on 22 February 1530, St. Matthew's day. Charles V was the last Emperor to receive a papal coronation, and since he and Clement VII had often been on opposing sides of the complicated political divides of early 16th-century Europe, it was an event of tremendous historical significance, and a moment of supreme triumph for Charles V.

Clock the procession on that day on the linked page above.

From here The Jesuit Vatican New World Order
As I mentioned back up the thread revolving door arisocratic/theocratic popery in action just as the Jesuits came into being. No such thing as coincidence and whose library was Scaliger working in?

The Medici family was a powerful and influential Florentine family from the 13th to 17th century. The family produced three popes (Leo X, Clement VII, and Leo XI), numerous rulers of Florence (notably Lorenzo the Magnificent, patron of some of the most famous works of renaissance art), and later members of the French and English royalty.

The family of Piero de' Medici portrayed by Sandro Botticelli in the Madonna del Magnificat.The "senior" branch of the family — those descended from Cosimo the Elder — ruled until the assassination of Alessandro de' Medici, first Duke of Florence, in 1537. This century-long rule was only interrupted on two occasions (between 1494–1512 and 1527–1530), when popular revolts sent the Medici into exile.

To ensure the continuance of his success, Lorenzo perceived his children’s abilities and planned their futures and careers for them. He predicted, or rather forced, Piero II to be headstrong, Giovanni a scholar, and Giuliano--not to be confused with Lorenzo’s brother who had the same first name--good. Giuliano, Lorenzo’s brother, was assassinated in church on Easter Sunday (1478). Lorenzo adopted Giuliano’s illegitimate son, Giulio de' Medici (1478-1535), the future Clement VII.

The Medici remained masters of Italy through their two famous 16th century popes, Leo X and Clement VII, who were de facto rulers of both Rome and Florence. They were both patrons of the arts, but in the religious field they proved unable to stem the advance of Martin Luther's ideas.

 

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Figured this incomplete list of floods and some of the flood consequences, mentioned in this 1913 pub, could be relevant to this thread.

• What to do after the flood.

 

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Anything before this date connecting the current Catholic Church and the Vatican to Rome is no good.

In what way no good?

 

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I guess we have the next "1530 Floods" video from the same author. His subscriber count also went up a bit, which is good. We need more researchers like that.

St Felix Flood of November 5th 1530 - Strange Accounts From a 1530 middle-French Book!

• Submitted
• 1/25/20

This video looks into a middle French written account of some of the events of the St. Felix...

 

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I guess we have the next "1530 Floods" video from the same author. His subscriber count also went up a bit, which is good. We need more researchers like that.

St Felix Flood of November 5th 1530 - Strange Accounts From a 1530 middle-French Book!

• Submitted
• 1/25/20

This video looks into a middle French written account of some of the events of the St. Felix...

Nice that he mentioned the site. I don't watch many YouTube videos but this guy presents his info in a clear, concise, non-ranting manner, doesn't go off the deep end of conspiratorial paranoia, doesn't tell you what to think. I like him.

 

[KD Archive]

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Somewhere in the video #2 was something similar to:

• ... and create sex, so much so that everything was corrupt.

Wondering if we are taking about the same old SkyLab event and unauthorized genetic engineering.

 

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I cant help but wonder if this flood can be linked to the sacking of Rome in 1527.

By the time the imperials left in 1528 the population must have been close to zero. They left because nothing remained to pillage, food had run out and disease became widespread because of all the bodies. Rebuilding didn't start until 1534, so within this 6 year period how many people would there have been to witness this devastating flood or anything else that might have taken place? What better opportunity to go in and make some alterations.

I found an article called 'Underground Rome' that gives some insight into why so much of ancient Rome is buried, if it can be believed:

Ancient Rome slipped from sight gradually, in a 2,500-year process of natural silting and intentional burial that was already well advanced in classical times. Roman architects frequently tore the roofs from old buildings and filled their interiors with dirt, to make solid foundations for new structures. They embedded earlier buildings in tremendous landfills that raised the ground level of the entire site by several yards. Sometimes they entombed whole neighborhoods in this way. After the Great Fire of A.D. 64 devastated two thirds of the city, Nero spread the debris over the wreckage of republican Rome and then reshaped the city to his liking. Later, during Rome's long, bleak Middle Ages, nature continued the interment. The population shrank to tiny pockets within the broad ring of the imperial walls, abandoning the ancient city to relentless erosion that wore away the uplands and redistributed them over low-lying areas. Roman buildings that remained exposed contributed significantly to the landfill. Archaeologists have estimated that the collapse of a one-story Roman house produced detritus six feet deep over its entire plan. Considering that Rome once boasted 40,000 apartment buildings, 1,800 palaces, and numerous giant public buildings, of which almost nothing survives, it is clear that the ancient city is buried under its own remains.

Underground Rome

 

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I have an incident that might be related to the Rome floods.
According to mainstream history, Rosselli, Francesco was an Italian painter prolific in creating maps who lived from 1448 to 1513.
Searching academic archives for deluge. I come up upon a picture showing an unknown location.
We can clearly see something coming out of the sky like the "gods" are furious and are spewing something onto the land.
I think we can definitely take this as not a Noah flood deluge like the mainstream purports
Why would faces of gigantic beings in the sky be spewing out things then.

Here is the official image information:

I guess because of my University location and IP and can probably access these online archives. I want to go look at some microforms at my university but don't have much time as of late.
I ended up compressing the above two photos like twenty times to post them onto the website to overcome the file size limit.
So we know from the data that there was a massive flood that had to do with other beings/entities before 1465.
This is in line with Korben's opinion that the 15th century served as a major cutoff date.
Knowing ancient architecture, all the regular buildings are submerged, so this means thinking of cathedrals and such, the water may even be up to that height.

Here is the biggest thing that blew my mind, we have a second drawing that could serve to "verify this event"!
This Maso Finiguerra person was apparently an engraver (practice of incising a design onto a surface) and a draftsman.
It is strange how the first photo seems more complete, even though it was "created" at a later date.
This person is known for his work in niello (metal artistry work)

Here is the information for this photo:

I also want to bring up a photo I found from an earlier thread on this forum.

Here we have a similar phenomenon with an entity/being attacking the land and the city.
As a final thought perhaps we are seeing different stages of an event where in this photo the lands have not flooded yet.

 

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Earth may have been a 'water world' 3bn years ago, scientists find

Just replace 3bn with some more sensible time span, and voila, flood confirmation.

 

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I have an incident that might be related to the Rome floods.
According to mainstream history, Rosselli, Francesco was an Italian painter prolific in creating maps who lived from 1448 to 1513.
Searching academic archives for deluge. I come up upon a picture showing an unknown location.
We can clearly see something coming out of the sky like the "gods" are furious and are spewing something onto the land.
I think we can definitely take this as not a Noah flood deluge like the mainstream purports
Why would faces of gigantic beings in the sky be spewing out things then.

View attachment 41703

Here is the official image information:

View attachment 41704

I guess because of my University location and IP and can probably access these online archives. I want to go look at some microforms at my university but don't have much time as of late.
I ended up compressing the above two photos like twenty times to post them onto the website to overcome the file size limit.
So we know from the data that there was a massive flood that had to do with other beings/entities before 1465.
This is in line with Korben's opinion that the 15th century served as a major cutoff date.
Knowing ancient architecture, all the regular buildings are submerged, so this means thinking of cathedrals and such, the water may even be up to that height.

Here is the biggest thing that blew my mind, we have a second drawing that could serve to "verify this event"!
This Maso Finiguerra person was apparently an engraver (practice of incising a design onto a surface) and a draftsman.
It is strange how the first photo seems more complete, even though it was "created" at a later date.
This person is known for his work in niello (metal artistry work)

View attachment 41708

Here is the information for this photo:

View attachment 41709

I also want to bring up a photo I found from an earlier thread on this forum.

View attachment 41705

Here we have a similar phenomenon with an entity/being attacking the land and the city.
As a final thought perhaps we are seeing different stages of an event where in this photo the lands have not flooded yet.

Remarkable! Wonder if this cathedral/structure could have been the ark? Additionally, I found several giants in the 2 versions of the first picture. Doesn’t look like a perspective issue, some lf these people are much bigger than the others.

 

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If anyone can read or interpret the text in the picture please do.
All I know is this picture is showing that there was a deluge in Rome on December 2, 1495 If I am to believe what this record says.
I cannot translate anything.

We can't really trust a lot of these dates, but it is assuring to have a document in which includes the date.

Bigger Image

Page link: Del Diluvio di Roma by Giuliano Dati

I tried translating the text in google translate. I already failed translating the first line

I got suggestions for corsican, latin, and italian.

I look closer at the image and see that there appears to be more text, so I keep searching and I only find this first image....

Further searching: Bayerische Annalen (Book is Bavarian annals: a d. Geography, history and Literature ...)
So the Germans acknowledge back in the 1833 that this is part of history...
Description of the book isn't helping.... I don't understand anything.
If anyone can read German... this book in general may be helpful for understanding history.

Only one "good result" and it leads to a paywall with this image. But translation of the title says that it is unpublished...

Del diluvio de Roma del MCCCCXCV - Inedita; 51 Anastatica

Conclusion:
Rome had a deluge in the late 1400s.
The picture shows a comet...and my previous posts also have people or something large coming out of the sky.
So the deluge must be related to a comet.
This "deluge" may not be limited to just one single event.

Leap of Faith:
Since stolen history in my mind is about letting go of your preconceived notions of reality....
I am stringing two theories together.
Mudfossil theory is showing that there are giants and creatures like massive fish and dragons and serpents everywhere on earth.
These creatures could be flying at very high speeds, thus the appearance of a comet in some pictures, and thus the appearance of giant hands coming out of the sky.
And in my last post with hands in the sky seeming to punch each other, these creatures could be fighting.
The red droplets in the picture could be a mix of blood and bodily fluids.
With the other deluge pictures in black and white. You would not be able to tell what color the liquid is whether it is clear or red like blood.

 

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If anyone can read or interpret the text in the picture please do.
All I know is this picture is showing that there was a deluge in Rome on December 2, 1495 If I am to believe what this record says.
I cannot translate anything.

We can't really trust a lot of these dates, but it is assuring to have a document in which includes the date.

View attachment 41976
Bigger Image

Page link: Del Diluvio di Roma by Giuliano Dati

I tried translating the text in google translate. I already failed translating the first line

View attachment 41977
I got suggestions for corsican, latin, and italian.

I look closer at the image and see that there appears to be more text, so I keep searching and I only find this first image....

Further searching: Bayerische Annalen (Book is Bavarian annals: a d. Geography, history and Literature ...)
So the Germans acknowledge back in the 1833 that this is part of history...
Description of the book isn't helping.... I don't understand anything.
If anyone can read German... this book in general may be helpful for understanding history.

Only one "good result" and it leads to a paywall with this image. But translation of the title says that it is unpublished...

View attachment 41978

Del diluvio de Roma del MCCCCXCV - Inedita; 51 Anastatica

Conclusion:
Rome had a deluge in the late 1400s.
The picture shows a comet...and my previous posts also have people or something large coming out of the sky.
So the deluge must be related to a comet.
This "deluge" may not be limited to just one single event.

Leap of Faith:
Since stolen history in my mind is about letting go of your preconceived notions of reality....
I am stringing two theories together.
Mudfossil theory is showing that there are giants and creatures like massive fish and dragons and serpents everywhere on earth.
These creatures could be flying at very high speeds, thus the appearance of a comet in some pictures, and thus the appearance of giant hands coming out of the sky.
And in my last post with hands in the sky seeming to punch each other, these creatures could be fighting.
The red droplets in the picture could be a mix of blood and bodily fluids.
With the other deluge pictures in black and white. You would not be able to tell what color the liquid is whether it is clear or red like blood.

That's "italiano volgare" i.e. "vernacular" italian... supposedly the passage between latin and italian...

1) it's not "idiot", it's "idio" = "iddio" = "dio" (god)
2) it's not "cofe", that is a "s", it's "cose" (things)
3) it's not "marauglia", it's "maraviglia" = "meraviglia" (marvel)

• diluvio - Dizionario italiano-inglese WordReference
• meraviglia - Dizionario italiano-inglese WordReference

O glorioso idio che liberasti
del-gra(N) diluvio el-tuo servo noe
& che per l(')oratione elsol (?) fermasti
di-quel sancto propheta Iosue
così come le leggi tu donasti
nelle tavole scripte a Moyse
così libera & ferma i me longegno
chi ca(N)ti in versi alcu(N) tuo magno segno

Si-ho ben lecto la-tua bibia sancta
& tanti segni facti apharaone
q(ue)dol tuo popol te(N)ne i doglia ta(N)ta
che la-sacra scriptura aperto el-pone
come seccossi e arse ogni tua pia(N)ta
con q(ue)lla sa(N)cta verga et col sermone
d(')aronne et moyse: ma lo-indurato
fu sommerso nel mare e anegato.


Italian version (should be pretty accurate):

Oh glorioso iddio che liberasti
dal gran diluvio il tuo servo Noé
e che per l'orazione il sole (?) fermasti
di quel santo profeta Giosué
così come le leggi tu donasti
nelle tavole scritte a Mosé
così libera e ferma in me l'ingegno
che canti in versi alcun tuo grande segno

Se ho ben letto la tua santa Bibbia
e tanti segni fatti apparire (apparizione)
che dal tuo popolo tenne tanto dolore (doglia)
che la sacra scrittura lo pone aperto
come si seccò [seccossi] ogni tua pianta
con quella santa verga e col sermone
d'Aronne e Mosé; ma lo sventurato
fu sommerso nel mare e annegato.

Should translate to something like that:

Oh glorious god (you) that spared
Noah from the great deluge
and (you) that stopped the sun (?) for the oration (orison)
of the saint prophet Joshua
just like you gave the Laws
of the Tablets to Moses
so spare me and give me the power
to sing about your great signs

If I understood well your holy bible
and the many signs appeared
that caused much pain in your people
that the holy scriptures open up (?)
just like every plant of yours got scorched
with that holy rod and the sermon
of Aaron and Moses; but the unlucky
got submersed in the sea and drowned


I'm sorry if it is convoluted, but sometimes volgare it's not easy to understand, also for us...