SH Archive 1840: Napoleon's Funeral Carriage

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KorbenDallas
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2019-06-18 03:38:27
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Username: VonKitty
Date: 2019-06-22 14:39:38
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None of the drawings or paintings make it look cold but written accounts depict otherwise.
Despite the temperature never rising above 10 degrees Celsius, the crowd of stretching from the Pont de Neuilly to the Invalides was huge. Some houses' rooftops were covered with people. Respect and curiosity won out over irritation, and the biting cold cooled all restlessness in the crowd. Under pale sunlight after snow, the plaster statues and gilded-card ornaments produced an ambiguous effect. Retour des cendres - Wikipedia
Which is 50 degrees Fahrenheit, but this attendee describes it as very cold -

SHALL I tell you, my dear, that when François woke me at a very early hour on this eventful morning, while the keen stars were still glittering overhead, a half-moon, as sharp as a razor, beaming in the frosty sky, and a wicked north wind blowing, that blew the blood out of one's fingers and froze your leg as you put it out of bed; -- shall I tell you, my dear, that when François called me, and said, "V'là vot' café, Monsieur Titemasse, buvez-le, tiens, il est tout chaud," I felt myself, after imbibing the hot breakfast, so comfortable under three blankets and a mackintosh, that for at least a quarter-of-an-hour no man in Europe could say whether Titmarsh would or would not be present at the burial of the Emperor Napoleon. THE SECOND FUNERAL OF NAPOLEON, Pt. 3 (1841, 1874 ed.) by Michael Angelo Titmarsh (pseud. for William Makepeace Thackeray)

He also describes the carriage, and his description makes it seem as though the coffin could be seen as well, which doesn’t match other accounts. Interestingly, he does describe it as a “machine”. In general, though, given the grandiose appearance we see in the drawings, written descriptions of it are lacking.
Fancy then, that the guns are fired at Neuilly: the body landed at daybreak from the funereal barge, and transferred to the car; and fancy the car, a huge juggernaut of a machine, rolling on four wheels of an antique shape, which supported a basement adorned with golden eagles, banners, laurels, and velvet hangings. Above the hangings stand twelve golden statues with raised arms supporting a huge shield, on which the coffin lay. On the coffin was the imperial crown, covered with violet velvet crape, and the whole vast machine was drawn by horses in superb housings, led by valets in the imperial livery... His Royal Highness the Prince de Joinville. The 500 sailors of the "Belle Poule" marching in double file on each side of
THE CAR.
[Hush! the enormous crowd thrills as it passes, and only some few
voices cry Vive l'Empereur! Shining golden in the frosty sun -- with
hundreds of thousands of eyes upon it, from houses and housetops,
from balconies, black, purple, and tricolour, from tops of leafless trees,
from behind long lines of glittering bayonets under shakos and bearskin
caps, from behind the Line and the National Guard again,
pushing, struggling, heaving, panting, eager, the heads of an
enormous multitude stretching out to meet and follow
it, amidst long avenues of columns and statues
gleaming white, of standards rainbow-coloured,
of golden eagles, of pale funereal urns,
of discharging odours amidst huge
volumes of pitch-black smoke,
THE GREAT IMPERIAL CHARIOT
ROLLS MAJESTICALLY ON.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-06-22 15:00:24
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Who would you think this is at first glance?

From here: source
who.jpg

Apparently he was an organizer of balls at court. An odd sort of position to warrant an engraving one would have thought.
Emile Waldteufel (1837-1915), French musician, organizer of balls at the Court under Napoleon III.
 
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Username: Recognition
Date: 2019-06-22 15:59:16
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Perhaps we should be taking a closer look at the discord between 'royalists' and 'bonapartists'.

Obviously it was a battle between 2 ideologies about government, but maybe when people alligned as bonapartist or royalist people were saying something very different about their life views, than what we have been lead to believe, in the modern day.

Here's a quote from wiki on bonapartism:

Philosophically, Bonapartism was Napoleon's adaptation of principles of the French Revolution to suit his imperial form of rule. Desires for public order, French national glory, and emulation of the Roman Empire had combined to create a Caesarist coup d'etat for General Bonaparte on 18 Brumaire. Though he espoused adherence to revolutionary precedents, he "styled his direct and personal rule on the Old Regime monarchs." For Bonapartists, the most significant lesson of the Revolution was that unity of government and the governed was paramount.

The honey bee was a prominent political emblem for both the First and Second Empires. It represents the Bonapartist ideal of devoted service, self-sacrifice and social loyalty.

Honey bees, according to greek myth, anyway, are messengers from the gods. Perhaps, as KD said in an earlier post

'It’s probably not whether they could accomplish such a feat with horses only, but why would they do this re-burial in first place? Who was Napoleon? Was he a man, or was he a God?'

The huge size of the thing, combined with the comparison to christ/heavenly being, suggests that there may have been more to the battle between the bonapartists and royalists. Perhaps it was one population that loved the 'godlike' populous, who built things like the les invalides, and another that sought to destroy it?

Napoleon Bonaparte

Meaning & History
From the old Italian name Napoleone, used most notably by the French emperor Napoléon Bonaparte (1769-1821), who was born on Corsica. The etymology is uncertain, but it is possibly derived from the GermanicNibelungen meaning "sons of mist", a name used in Germanic mythology to refer to the keepers of a hoard of treasure (often identified with the Burgundians). Alternatively, it could be connected

Bonaparte name origin from wiki:

Bonaparte is a French and Italian surname. It derives from Italian, bona (buona) "good" and parte "solution" or "match" (a name bestowed as an expression of satisfaction at a newborn's arrival).

Maybe napoleon bonaparte is a place holder name, or 'good fit' to explain away strong discord between 2 opposing groups-(here my theory)- one supporting the old, perhaps giant population, the other, seeing to take them down. Interestingly, wiki ranks bonapartism as a royalist ideology, as well
 
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Username: hilgaski
Date: 2019-06-28 17:43:08
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Hey Timeshifter: Little bloke on the right seems to be raising/waving his hat, as is the soldier bloke next to little bloke. Respect thing I'd imagine. I think the women statues appear to be holding up his coffin?
 
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Username: Recognition
Date: 2019-06-29 01:56:22
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Haha jd55 we seem doomed to disagree! These dudes def look like giants to me! Asked my impartial s.o. And the response was 'they look like bigger people'?

napoleon_giants.jpg

I may be going down a rabbit hole here, but this looks like people in togas in the sky! ?Kept playing with contrast and filters. Lmk what you think!!!

 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-29 02:11:48
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I don't know about the sky togas,but them soldiers are about 9-10 feet tall. Would be interesting to find out what the narrative has to say here.
 
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Username: VonKitty
Date: 2019-06-29 12:49:30
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They do appear taller. Are they of higher rank and maybe that’s why they were drawn bigger? Regardless, why do they wear such tall, heavy hats? Perhaps reminiscent of elongated skulls?
Anyway, I did find these photos of surviving veterans taken in 1858. There’s 15 total - not sure how some of them still fit in their uniform. The only surviving images of veterans of the Napoleonic Wars

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2019-06-29 15:04:13
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Several of them have an asiatic look, like the one you chose.

Mason?
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-29 19:56:30
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There is a reason why we do not have certain things like the ones below. I consider that presence of the giants in the older photographs could be one of those reasons.
giants_1.jpg

giants.jpg
It's probably important to understand that certain giants are out there for everyone to see, but to understand human sizes we need a point of reference like we have in the image above.

From this perspective I see a high possibility for our Mr. Napoleon to be something entirely different from what we are told.
 
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Username: Recognition
Date: 2019-06-29 20:39:50
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Great point about the uniform fit, i don't buy it!!!
Your second picture is amazing!!! That def reveals a size difference, pretty compellingly! If you look at the pictures of his tomb, look at the size difference between the tomb items and the visitors there, pretty interesting.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-29 20:58:14
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I think we could be dealing with several sizes of humans there, but some of the proportions we see appear to checkout. Seeing these sizes in conjunction with the size of the Napoleon's funeral carriage sure does provide for certain thoughts.

 
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Username: madroona
Date: 2019-08-27 14:29:05
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A few simple thoughts re the carriage: if the drawings are accurate, there is virtually NO clearance for anything but flat, paved roads. And let's hope the earth is flat in those travels because any run of downhill slope will end up killing many horses in front of the carriage should it NOT have a braking system.
And regarding the two arches above, are we to believe they are the same objects? If so, there are distinct differences in the eye of the beholder of the brushes.
 
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2019-08-28 02:45:16
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I think we may all be missing the bus here.
Obviously, the huge carriage was meant to transport his giant EGO, which never died.
His legacy lives on and on...one petty despot after another, one pitiful attempt at empire after another......

JWW
 
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Username: Mifletz
Date: 2019-10-21 16:06:41
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Just the skill of the artists who drew the pictures of the funeral is unbelievable. No one is able to draw like that today. How was the different individual details of so many soldiers' uniforms and postures achieved by memory?! How long did such a drawing take from start to finish?!
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-11-04 01:49:06
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Ok, is it me, or some people are not as tall as some other ones in the below images?

 
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Username: WildFire2000
Date: 2019-11-04 06:27:08
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Of course they're taller, they're "important". Blizzard has a thing they've done for years, that in order for people to recognize their heroes/important characters, they're about 1/3rd larger or taller than every other character in the game. So, clearly, that's how art is done. Important "aristocratic" types, governmental officials and the like, are always depicted much larger than civilians and 'normal people'.

[ stupid sarcasm, if you all didn't realize ]
 
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