SH Archive 1877 French Ironclad Fulminant

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Nothing fancy here for 1877, right? This ship is mentioned here, but has no info pertaining to it.
  • Fulminant (1877) – stricken 1908.
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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-02-05 10:21:13
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She is a Tonnerre class monitor. One of her sister ships or maybe her is in the pictures of the other ironclads in Brest on this thread. Ironclad ships - another example of Tartarian technology?

Not derailing but linking. These ships were afloat around the time when popovs tiny fleet of knackered warships sailed into two American ports and 'saved the union' from the 'might of the french and british navies' apparently. Makes no sense how either navy felt threatened by the russian ships.

For more French ship weirdness go here Coast Defence ships of the Palestro, Arrogante, Embuscade, Floatting batterie class. Taureau, Cerbere, armoured rams Tonnerre, Temptet Monitor class. , Tonnant, Furieux, barbette ships. Fusee and Acheron armoured Gunboat classes, and Jemmapes and Bouvines Coast defence Ships.
A slight aside but we are told the French bought this thing in 1867 or as the site suggests 'aquired it' ( so either bought, stole, was given or swapped for something).
Okay how did it get across from America to France?
Was it taken apart and shipped?
Did it sail?
Why did the French aquire it?
How did they know of its existence?
Why did the Americans let it go?

from here Coastal Defence Ships and Monitors

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That is allegdly taken at Brest in France and she is flying a French flag but look at her freeboard. She did not sail across the Atlantic.

Details and more pictures here Battleship Photo Index USS ONONDAGA
"Fate: Sold to her builder 12 July 1867, and was then resold to France under the same name. Was rearmed by the French with four 9.4 inch rifles; remained in service through 1903, stricken 1904, and subsequently scrapped. "
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-02-06 19:43:56
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All those are good questions. This tech does appear to come out of nowhere, with developmt stage outside of our reach,

I’m wondering what the circular structure could be. Looks like a tank of sorts.
 
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Date: 2019-02-06 20:30:43
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Apparently that ship did sail across the Atlantic as she is shown here in Cork Ireland in 1866 year before she was decommisoned and sold to the French so either she sailed back again, truly remarkable, or the dates are off by a year and she is on her delivery voyage, which mkes one wonder why she stopped off in Ireland as Britain and France were not on the best of terms.

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Arrival of US naval in Cork Harbor, Ireland 1866.

Do have a read through this page it is truly fascinating "Our Ironclads on the James River": The Collected Correspondence of "Garryowen" – Irish in the American Civil War
Won't load for me unless a proxy is used but here's some snippets.

"The identity of Garryowen, who served as a Fireman aboard the ironclad USS Onondaga, was revealed in his 1872 obituary in the Irish-American. He was Michael J. Callinan, who unsurprisingly (given his chosen nom de plume) was from Limerick City.*"

"We weighed anchor and proceeded from the Navy Yard on Monday afternoon, the 18th ult., and went down without any accident or interruption as far as Sandy Hook, the ship working to the satisfaction of all concerned; the weather being considered boisterous, we remained opposite the “Hook” until the Thursday following, when we started on our mission of death and destruction, for which purpose our “iron cave” (as I may call it,) was constructed."

"and when Richmond is taken, as it must be, and the rebellion subdued, then we will head our iron monster across the Atlantic and anchor in “Bantry Bay,” where we will soon plant the “Green above the Red.”


Boisterous weather on a river prevents this boat from moving and yet the author predicts traversing the Atlantic and if the engraving and picture is any guide it actually did at least once. However cannot find the source of that engraving and it has a funnel as it did on the James river not the one it had outside of Brest so maybe 'poetic licence'?

KD is going to luurve this, just had to share.
Water jet propulsion in 1866!
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Maschinery of the water-jet drive of HMS WATERWITCH, year of construction 1866
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1866: Britain Builds the First Jet-Powered Warship

And that American monitor she was towed across the atlantic by le European in 1868 Gardes-côtes cuirassés

historical
1-1865: in service on the James River for the Union forces
8-6-1865: decommissioned.
7-3-1867: a special law authorizes the resale of the Onondaga to its builder, then its transfer to France under the same name.
2-9-1867: towed from New York to Halifax.
15-6-1868: departed Halifax for Brest, towed by the European, for overhaul, 5-1869: exit for tests.
1898: reserve in Brest.
4-1898: functional tests.
2-12-1904: scratched
 
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Date: 2019-02-06 23:29:42
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I call it wikiliar for good reason.
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1877 and England and France are supposed to be antagonistic at best sworn enemies at worst. Well check this ship out compred the Fuminant above. Slightly different horses from the same stable?

Protection against torpedos on the armoured English ship, "Thunderer ". Wood engraving 1877
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