SH Archive American Civil War a Photographic History

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sharonr
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2018-09-02 21:14:52
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-09-08 12:33:52
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That’s probably because those churches were not churches at all, and were used for a totally different purpose.

As far as the topic at hand, we have 10 butt loads of governmental activities drawings pertaining to 1840-1860s, but no photographs. This is beyond suspicious, once one factors in this Civil War photographic shit show.
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2018-09-08 18:14:40
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How did this guy die and still have his arm up in the air like that? The back of his arm is supported by something so it's not just some janky perspective of photography. His arm is actually up in the air.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-09-08 18:26:40
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Either brought and placed here when already stiff, or got electrocuted.

What could be a possible reason to raise the arm on purpose?
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2018-09-08 18:48:22
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Raising his hand to ask for a potty break? :)
 
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Username: Glumlit
Date: 2018-09-08 19:29:39
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In the marching-band-on-the-root-ball photo,

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there's a flag that was mostly blurred out, held by the second guy from the right - but a single white star was allowed to remain.

The blurred part is obviously in the shape of a flag that is calm and still. Otherwise, how was the flag so violently vibrating in that small space, in the few seconds it took to photograph, but not at the single star?

And which civil war flag does it look like to you guys?
 
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Username: LordAverage
Date: 2018-09-08 20:16:36
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Good point, couldn't see the flag due to how distracting the band on a root ball is (i'm seriously still confused about that, I couldn't find any more about it online but i didn't look suuuper deep). Do you mean it doesn't look like any of those flags? Hard for me to tell sorry.
 
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Username: Glumlit
Date: 2018-09-08 20:33:41
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I personally don't think they look like any. Especially not Union flags. But I suppose it's possible to be one of the Confederate ones listed on that site - although I'm not sure why it would be since they're Union soldiers
 
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Username: sharonr
Date: 2018-09-08 23:07:55
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Maybe a Texas Flag, but don't know why if they are Union. Closest I can get for now.



And it's not real close. It just reminded me of it. Something to look out for.

In almost every photo of dead bodies there are peole standing around just looking. Just strikes me as strange, of something is going on. And again, not everyone looks like soldiers. Maybe a few pasted in. Just a mystery. The horse in it also. Just looks so strange. I keep going back to this one. Looks more like a Western movie set almost.
Again asking these tough questions :) I'm putting my thinking cap on. I'll be back soon.
 
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Username: Username
Date: 2018-09-09 08:06:26
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Looks like homeboy died on his right side and got rolled onto his back. You see things like that a lot, even in modern day crime scene photography.


The flag is plausible if you think about how its motion would be in a breeze. The visible part (the hoist) is anchored to something relatively stable, while the fly end is free to flap and snap about in the breeze. The hoist is going experience the least motion from wind. I do have to say, that your link doesn't show any banners with asterisks, so I couldn't tell you which it might be.
 
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Username: sharonr
Date: 2018-09-09 12:25:12
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So yesterday I went to a picnic/cookout (during which the now occurring "hurricane" is coming through...shaking my head) I met a new friend who is from South West Virginia, who grew up on a farm, his father was a lawyer, he graduated from VMI (Virginia Military Institute) was in the Army as a Major for 15 years, and his degree is Political Science. We talked almost the entire 3 hours. I didn't quite get into the conspiracy of the Civil War, but we both talked about the bullshit of politics after we woke up being Bernie Sanders supporters. Anyway. VMI, old southern boy......I'm thinking I may have found a real live person* who may be smart enough to help me with this. Or have me arrested. Who knows. You don't meet a VMI graduate every day.

(*as opposed to you guys who are very smart internet friends :) and my real life boyfriend who is more interested in free beer and food and talking to "normal" people about "normal" things.) Did you know when I moved here in 2013, Charlottesville was called, by the New York Times the "smartest" city in America. There was a whole article on it, and any Charlottesvillian (none of which were actually born here) will quote it to you.

Early history (VMI)
In the years after the War of 1812, the Commonwealth of Virginia built and maintained several arsenals to store weapons intended for use by the state militia in the event of invasion or slave revolt. In the 1830s Lexington attorney John Thomas Lewis Preston belonged to a debate club known as the Franklin Society. In 1836 he made the case to the society that the arsenal in Lexington could be put to better use as a normal school for providing education on practical subjects, as well as military training to individuals who could be expected to serve as officers in the militia if needed.

When I grew up in the 80's my next-door neighbors had Encyclopedias. Never did you scroll through those and read about supposed "slave revolts" slave everything. I think they are re-writing history as we speak. This is a big deal to me, because I would like to show that Southerners were not all racist, murdering, hateful bigots. Something else went down but unfortunately that is the narrative. The Trail of Tears, which some of my ancestors may have been on, is another leg in this mystery. Walking THOUSANDS of native Americans across coutry, while they DIED, to re-locate in Oklahoma??????? I've been across country twice, southern route........in the 90's. Have not been to the Oklahoma Reservation though.
 
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Username: The Wack
Date: 2018-09-09 16:59:38
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Nice post. I have some weird pics of the era showing some possible big'uns fighting for the West, and some crazy 'double' photos of the day.... like 2 of the same pic but some extras where moved/removed, or pictures mirrored with slight changes or a horizon full of smoke on one pic and an identicle pic with a clear sky... but exact same debris and shadows on the ground.

I think it was more East states Vs last hold-outs of Tartaria (western states).... but They confuse, distort and lie about everything to make the real story hard to find... history, victors write it blah blah.

Good thread, wish i had a pc so i could contribute more, cheers... The Wack
 
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Username: sharonr
Date: 2018-09-09 22:21:45
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By the way, I looked up Cavaliers a few weeks ago, in relation to the University of Virginia Cavaliers (founded by Thomas Jefferson) and they are specifically stated as being a force of horsemen/army who supported the Queen, or at least England. Need to go back and look. Wiki. But Virginia, UVA, Jefferson and Cavaliers and England all in SUPPORT of each other........wait, wasn't Jefferson a signer of the Declaration of Independance.

The term Cavalier was first used by Roundheads as a term of abuse for the wealthier Royalist supporters of King Charles I and his son Charles II of England during the English Civil War, the Interregnum, and the Restoration (1642 – c. 1679). It was later adopted by the Royalists themselves. Although it referred originally to political and social attitudes and behaviour, of which clothing was a very small part, it has subsequently become strongly identified with the fashionable clothing of the court at the time. Prince Rupert, commander of much of Charles I's cavalry, is often considered to be an archetypal Cavalier.

I just looked up Virginia Cavalier on Wiki and under history, they had deleted it. Seriously.
Thank you! It is all very confusing. I will devote some time in my life to trying and figuring it out :)
But I also want to put this here.

I just listened to Mud Flood on You Tube and the Tartary Nation. He mentioned Euro-Asians.......this is a picture of my mother (bottom center) and her sisters from the 50's. They look almost Euro-asian. Yes, we supposedly have native blood, and we are southern US (a long time), but I also see Asian, always have. If you don't know what I mean, it seems as if Tartary could also be Euro-Asian, which I think set up colonies in the US. Our history is screwed.

I think History is faked, and they are changing it now, as we speak. Wikipedia is a major propagator. I remember when it came out, in 2007 same as Facebook. They had something in mind at that time all ready. It only takes a couple generations to change the story. But there are clues everywhere. Maybe they want some people to become enlightened? I'm still waiting to be recruited by the CIA. We will see. So far, I'm not any one, just in case any one is paranoid.
 
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Username: BStankman
Date: 2018-09-10 10:46:38
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If you have native lineage, you may want to compare family photos to Norma Smallwood in this thread.
Five dollar Indian

I would have to agree, wikapedia is today's last refuge of scoundrels.

For a cavalier, you may want to look at dragoon.

This is fuss and feathers Winfield Scott in his dragoon uniform from the US Mexican war.
He is credited with the anaconda plan.

For a Dutch connection, the most I have found so far is he attended the college of William and Mary in Virginia.
And the Mexican war could have been a Dutch 200 year axe to grind against the Spanish.

 
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Username: anotherlayer
Date: 2018-09-10 14:58:36
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you are more likely correct, closer to the obvious is that he was just rolled over for the photo. gotta get his good side... but also, the raised arms are the bodies natural reaction to getting knocked-the-feck-out. so, if not rolled over, it's possible he was either hit by shrapnel or perhaps jolted by electricity.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-09-10 16:14:47
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We have more alleged re-enactment photos in this thread.

In general it’s not quite easy to distinguish an actor from a dead guy. Which does become a problem. We end up rationalizing who’s dead and who’s an actor, based on our experiences and expectations.

You can put an actor out with a stiff arm sticking out for a photoshoot, and everyone thinks he is dead.
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2018-09-10 19:57:26
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@sharonr:
Maybe a Texas Flag, but don't know why if they are Union. Closest I can get for now.

Texas was part of the confederacy but the SCOTUS said their secession was null and void because they couldn't leave the union except by revolution or by permission from all the other states. LOL. Not sure what the SCOTUS considered the civil war to be if not a revolution but whatevs. Looks like the 10th amendment doesn't really count for much if you're a prisoner of your Union/State.
The above flag was one of the many confederate flags used; not sure if was specific to Texas or not, though. The flag in the picture Korben posted looks to be a 6 or maybe 7 pointed star so it wouldn't be this confederate flag anyway. Haven't seen any flags that match it which seems kinda peculiar since the civil war was such a big deal, you'd think everything pertaining to those times would be preserved for history.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-09-10 20:00:54
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This brings a totally new perspective to this Confederate monument/flag take down activities of recent years.
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2018-09-10 22:38:19
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That's what the Reconstruction Phase post Civil War was all about: obliterating the culture and history of a people who would dare to rise up against their prison wardens. It's even a matter of public record (Congress). Lincoln did try to offer restitution for all the damage done but it was under a bribery type situation-200million for reparations if the CSA would come back into the fold and another 200million if they'd accept the 13th amendment. He did offer amnesty to all who participated in "the rebellion" (except Davies) but since they didn't quite know how to prosecute without legitimizing his claim they let him go after 2 years imprisonment. Many of the monuments we see today were erected long after the Reconstruction Phase. The South has a looooong memory.
 
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Username: sharonr
Date: 2018-09-12 04:53:42
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Thank you. Yes, The more I look the more I figure out. Long way to go.
Yes, It does seem strange to me that they would have pages of documents stating what flag was what for what "regiment" (and there were sooooo many of them to, for record) but if you try and look, no one knows what flag or state is what...hmmmm
That is why I am on this site. I live in Charlottesville, where I consider they had the a "false flag" event. Trying to take down the Robert E. Lee statue. I work with a friend from Long Island, on her Vegan farm (35 rescued pigs, it's a new sanctuary), and her Vegan B&B (and I'm not necessarily vegan at all) and even she thinks it's all crazy. Why I work there. It was not a comfortable event for the residents. No one was comfortable. Are they trying to wake some up?

I have a "native" history. Mostly vocal, but yes, the link to the Florida natives was interseting to say the least....
 
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Username: LordAverage
Date: 2018-09-14 02:03:58
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It definitely wouldn't be a texan flag anyway, at least not the one we know today, if you look at the flag in that 'bandstand' picture the 'star' is much smaller than what you would expect to see on well most flags I know of have bigger stars relative to the size of the flag than that one so it's a bit strange.
 
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