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Username: UnusualBean
Date: 2018-10-01 03:27:08
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That's not a hexagram on that flag, it's a 6-pointed asterisk.

It could be a Star of Life...

Commonly displayed on modern ambulances, the Star of Life (often seen with an inlaid Rod of Asclepius, which represents medicine and healing) is a symbol representing emergency medical services, similar to the plus sign used by the Red Cross. We're told that the Star of Life originated in the latter half of the 20th century, but what if it's actually older? What if the people in that photograph are not soldiers, but disaster relief?

...But then, it's a little weird for a disaster relief group to have a marching band, unless you consider a lack of music to be a state of emergency

The main use of the asterisk has always been a marker for edits, so maybe that's how it was used here? It looks oddly hand-written. What if the flag in the photo was marked for editing for whatever reason, but whosever job it was forgot to do it and it ended up getting printed with the writing on it?

 

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Username: Glumlit
Date: 2018-10-01 03:40:00
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look they photoshopped out his stand for the book...
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I was so excited to show this post to my dad. Very satisfying. Thank you

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-10-03 12:20:28
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Very realistic flags but those WW2 helmets are just priceless

The 10th Cavalry Regiment aka The "Buffalo Soldiers"

The 10th Cavalry Regiment aka The "Buffalo Soldiers"

 

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Username: Ice Nine
Date: 2018-10-03 12:57:38
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What the hell?!? great find on that photo Korben. I saved it and I'm trying to make out what it says in the bottom left corner, something about what collection it's in I think, but I just can't make it out. Jeez louise, what a glaring error!

 

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Username: anotherlayer
Date: 2018-10-03 13:26:40
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And just so we're clear here, I did a quick scour for helmets in the US Civil War. I could not find one reference and certainly no pictures of Confederate army helmets. I found this thread thread full of goofs. I love how we use the term "fashion" like this goof posted:

The Russians wore a spiked helmet in the mid 19th century, too. American military fashion was much more influenced by French fashion than anything else. After the swift and thorough thrashing the French received at the hands of the Germans in 1871, there was a massive uniform overhaul. Several highly ranked U.S. observers watched that defeat unfold. Thanks for posting this. I wasn't aware anyone in the U.S. was wearing spiked helmets before the war. Bet they never saw the light of day when actual hostilities started.

That thread is actually pretty informative, I shouldn't call them goofs, but anyway... Let's get this abundantly clear, there were no WWII helmets being used during the American Civil War. Lol?

 

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Username: Ice Nine
Date: 2018-10-03 13:52:38
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I know there weren't any WW II helmets in the Civil War, (atleast I thought I did) but I sure was surprised to see so many spiked helmets.

 

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Username: BStankman
Date: 2018-10-03 14:12:32
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And just so we're clear here, I did a quick scour for helmets in the US Civil War. I could not find one reference and certainly no pictures of Confederate army helmets. I found this thread thread full of goofs. I love how we use the term "fashion" like this goof posted:



That thread is actually pretty informative, I shouldn't call them goofs, but anyway... Let's get this abundantly clear, there were no WWII helmets being used during the American Civil War. Lol?

Agreed, those are Prussian helmets from the Indian wars.
General Grant's 1885 Coffin - is this normal?

 

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Username: nothingnew
Date: 2018-10-03 16:23:49
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Great topic. I do not know much about American history (maybe for the better) but I noticed some things regarding this photo.

Whenever I visit other cities, I tend to go around the centers and try to spot/find buildings that seem out of place. I also live in a star shaped city so there are a couple of them here. A lot of these buildings have intricate facades depicting serpents/snakes/dragons and architectural common features that I also noticed in this picture attached.

We essentially see four (4) pillars with three (3) arches, which are a dead giveaway of the square and compass. I would bet money on the pillars being red and white (a combination used by masons all the time). On the top of the arches we see the six sided star. That is no star of David, there never was. This seem to be the star of Remphan, belonging to Moloch (Satan) the great god of fire.

We have many cathedrals and churches today that have these features. 4 pillars and usually 3 doors/gates. Usually 2 smaller ones on the outside surrounding one strangely huge doorway/entrance in the middle.


Also, those soldiers with dead black eyes give me the creeps.

 

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Username: Laluna
Date: 2018-10-03 16:27:57
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Not sure if this was posted but last night I ran across an article explaining that some famous civil war photographer Alexander Gardner admitted to staging photos including moving bodies after the fact. It really made me start to question the civil war and slavery.

From a civil war online forum :
Staged Sniper's Den Photo?

"The Analysis of the moved body is written by William Frassanito in his book "Gettysburg: A Journey in Time" 1975 pp. 186-192.

Frassanito studies 6 photographs of this dead soldier made by photographers Alexander Gardner and Timothy O'Sullivan at the Gettysburg battlefield in July 1863. Geographic features place 4 of the 6 photographs at the southern slope of Devil's Den and 2 at what Gardner called the "sharpshooter's den". Frassanito argues that the original location of the body was the southern slope of Devil's Den, suggesting that the soldier was probably an infantryman, killed while advancing up the hillside. After taking the pictures of the dead soldier from several angles, the two photographers noticed the picturesque sharpshooter's den, forty yards away, and moved the corpse to this rocky niche and photographed him again. A blanket visible under the soldier in another version of the sharpshooter's den image may have been used to carry the body.

The type of weapon seen in these photographs was not used by sharpshooters. This particular firearm is seen in a number of Gardner's scenes of Gettysburg and probably was the photographers prop. The amount of time expended photographing this one body indicates that this may have been one of the last bodies to be buried and Gardner may have felt that he was running out of subjects.

Gardner in his "Sketch Book", recalls seeing the body again four months after the battle, when the Gettysbury cemetery was dedicated in November, 1863. Frassanito points out that the body would not have been left that long, nor would the rifle have survived the hordes of relic hunters who swarmed over battlefields. But Gardner's story succeeded in transforming this soldier into a particular character in the drama, a man who suffered a painful, lonely, unrecognized death."

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-10-03 18:19:44
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While I do think that the above helmets do not quite look like the spiked ones, the below sure do.

Buffalo Soldiers

 

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Username: Apollyon
Date: 2018-10-03 21:23:12
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i bet that is the same actor who played Abe Lincoln.

more like actress check out the hips

also note the pants legs of the guy/girl on the right. Would you go to war with your pants touching the ground? What are these Jinco jeans?

source

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”-Voltaire

 

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Username: Radal16
Date: 2018-10-04 00:27:53
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This thread is fascinating, thank you Sharonr!

 

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Username: PrincepAugus
Date: 2018-10-04 00:39:09
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Very realistic flags but those WW2 helmets are just priceless

The 10th Cavalry Regiment aka The "Buffalo Soldiers"
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The 10th Cavalry Regiment aka The "Buffalo Soldiers"

Lol, that's taken during WWII, since the cavalry still wore Civil War clothing. Well officially anyway. So I don't see any discrepancy.

As for the American Picklehaube, there's this article about them: An American Pickelhaube | Colonel J's

 

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Username: The Kraken
Date: 2018-10-04 00:55:45
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As for the American Picklehaube, there's this article about them: An American Pickelhaube | Colonel J's

So this looks like the true south. The remains of the modern tartar.

 

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Username: Laluna
Date: 2018-10-04 01:02:53
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Hmm I finally finished the thread. I agree about the photos appearing photoshopped but I'm not sure about the tartarian connection?

I have read tons of wills, property transfers, letters, court documents from around these times so I do know there were definitely some terrible people in the slave business then. I think the behavior was insane especially after the civil war with all the lynching and burning churches which seems more about erasing history than just hating someone. It wasn't just the southerners though. There are a lot of inconsistencies with black or African American history too. I might have to revisit some documents with an eye out for the civil war.

 

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Username: Apollyon
Date: 2018-10-04 01:03:38
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So this looks like the true south. The remains of the modern tartar.

One thing i've been meaning to look into are the huge pagan fountains/ statues that can be found in some ( maybe all) southern cities ( I have looked a little but antebellum history is not easy to study) the contrast between what the south is now and what it was is strange. When and where did christianity begin?

look they made up some story about an Italian ( as is tradition) and stuck a bug on top and called it a day

Boll Weevil Monument - Wikipedia

 

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Username: Glumlit
Date: 2018-10-06 13:17:15
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Has anyone noticed any references to slavery in any of these books?

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-10-08 22:48:48
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Fort Morgan, Mobile Point, Ala., 1864, showing damage to the south side of the fort. This Fort Morgan has grass growing on top of it, and half of the fort is buried in dirt.

The "Pulpit" after capture, Fort Fisher, N.C., January 1865. The pulpit, lol. They even have chimneys in there.

The Door

Harpers Ferry, W Va., July 1865. High-angle view showing the confluence of the Shenandoah and Potomac Rivers. If this is a door leaning up against the house, one of the sides had to have Goliath on their side.

Joseph, Sister M.M. of the Sisters of Mercy. I am not an expert, are sisters supposed to have wedding rings on their fingers?

Great Civil War photo source: Civil War Photos

 

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Username: sharonr
Date: 2018-10-08 22:54:28
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Has anyone noticed any references to slavery in any of these books?

There are references. If you look at my original post, page 1 start, there are 2 photos of "slaves" and a description. See below

If you expand these to read the captions, it will tell you they are slaves. @Laluna Whether they are actually slaves in this picture or not I cannot confirm. I'm sure there was some sort of slavery of that time. Before or after this? Maybe after? Reformation? I do not know. Timelines are my question. Do I think it was complicit throughout the south, and the cause of the war? NO. Some terrible things went down at this time, involving black families, poor people and native americans (don't forget the trail of tears.). It may take years to find out something conclusive.

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Fort Morgan, Mobile Point, Ala., 1864, showing damage to the south side of the fort. This Fort Morgan has grass growing on top of it, and half of the fort is buried in dirt.

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The "Pulpit" after capture, Fort Fisher, N.C., January 1865. The pulpit, lol. They even have chimneys in there.

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The Door

Harpers Ferry, W Va., July 1865. High-angle view showing the confluence of the Shenandoah and Potomac Rivers. If this is a door leaning up against the house, one of the sides had to have Goliath on their side.

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Joseph, Sister M.M. of the Sisters of Mercy. I am not an expert, are sisters supposed to have wedding rings on their fingers?

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Great Civil War photo source: Civil War Photos

Married to God?

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@KorbenDallas amazing pictures. I'd like to see a building like that in Alabama today. Grass or no grass. It's like the sea came up and engulfed it. And in the front right, is that a bent piece of piping?

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-10-08 23:05:03
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Married to God?

That’s the only explanation I could come up with, but did they actually wear rings though?