Castration, Circumcision, and Transgenderism from Antiquity to Today

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This is a brilliant recapitulation and testament to the import of this thread.

Some reflections:




I wish I could underscore this operation, this sentence, a hundred times.

2020-- it is as if it didn't happen. Life goes on. Some of us, however, got our final proof. The Liberal Establishment is daft and cowardly. An impotent, castrated father.

What is lost in the repeated castrations of American intellectual life? The capacity to both experience separation anxiety and longing and nonetheless push forward without forgetting the unity? Isn't there honor in that consciousness? It is deeper than ideology, deeper than DNA; for ultimately, we only have clues but no composite. We don't know who we are, but here we are? And, from that, the questions never cease.

As in the Dao De Jing,

故常無欲,以觀其妙
常有欲,以觀其徼
此兩者,同出而異名

Anciently and without common desire, we see wonder.
Often and with desire, we see borders (the forms).
From both modes simultaneously, the shared origin of all named things appears. (my translation)




How much drama! And comedy! The structure is present in every relationship I've known.

Is it very difficult for a goddess to reflect on this pattern? Any evidence from the stories? Is this impossibility a difference between the gods and us?

If possible and via this reflection, can maturity occur and people act without recourse to Kantian-style maxims and prescribed identity patterns?

What is the cost of that? Loss of innocence, familiar patterns, safety and the ease of artifice?

A new field can emerge. I seem to believe in this-- contrary to the preponderance of evidence.
"I wish I could underscore this operation, this sentence, a hundred times.".

I wonder which word processor does not tolerate the word "penis"? Can anyone name that word processor?
 
I wonder which word processor does not tolerate the word "penis"? Can anyone name that word processor?
It was Gmail.

I'm in the middle of writing a long and somewhat confused post in which I investigate the religion of Osiris and the identity of the "Persians" in light of the castration hypothesis. But in the meantime, I ran across a very interesting article in the "Cahiers Jungiens de Psychanalyse" by Marie-Laure Colonna about the hermaphrodite as an unconscious symbol.

"On this point, Jung is categorical: in dreams, images of the androgyne are never symbols of the Self as a goal...far from being a symbol of the objective to be attained, they express a transition, a stage of psychic fusion-confusion, a mix of opposites, a dangerous interpenetration of the conscious and the unconscious."

"It seems to me that images of the androgyne in dreams...signify moments of crisis, disorientation, or dissociation that accompany the painful encounter with the lower functions."

She goes on to cite several passages in which Jung insists that the hermaphrodite is not a forward-looking or "liberating" fantasy image, but rather something monstrous and terrifying that points backwards, towards a dangerous state of psychic confusion.

"If I had such a vision [Jung is commenting on the dream of a patient in which a hermaphrodite appears], I would be horrified. It would shake me violently and grab me by the guts."

Jung is clear: there is no "freedom" to be found in the symbol of the hermaphrodite. On the contrary, the hermaphrodite must be separated into its constituent parts in order for the subject to pass from a state of pre-symbolic confusion of opposites to a "higher", properly dialectical conjunction of opposites.
 
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I'm not sure what the exact line on this forum between the connections between history and modern events is, but I do think this topic ties directly to @Frostychud 's research into castration.

I've been seeing the connection between various known faces for TPTB and them funding Testosterone Replacement Therapy. The argument being that after the chemical castration that caused men's testosterone to half over the past 50 years, there is a need to complete the castration process using Testosterone Replacement Therapy. TRT replaces the body's natural testosterone production, essentially making the level of castration complete yet variable based on the TPTB's needs. The final goal being a class of eunuch warriors, that are castrated until the government needs them to fight and they turn on the TRT faucet.

So with the US government declaring it'll offer testosterone testing and TRT to members of the military, this thread is very relevant to modern events.


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I mentioned that I am working on a longer post in which I try to connect all this with the religion of Osiris. There are so many threads to weave together and my knowledge of classical historical texts is not sufficient for me to make really educated arguments. So as always, take everything I write with a grain of salt. I will keep hammering away in any case.

The "Persians" are a big theme in both Herodotus and the Bible. This empire has always seemed fishy to me, but of course that might simply be due to the fact that I am not well-read enough. Philippe Wajdenbaum argues, in "Argonauts of the Desert", that the Old Testament was based on Greek mythology, and that the Bible was written as a kind of backdated "prequel" to the Histories of Herodotus, which is why the Bible ends more or less where Herodotus begins, with the Persian Empire. Wajdenbaum is not a chronological revisionist, but again, I am working from the paradigm that all these texts were written no more than five hundred years ago and maybe much more recently.

I mentioned Roger Sabbah, who argues that the Pentateuch was composed by the Greek Ptolemies after conquering Egypt in order to write the original Jewish/Egyptian religion out of existence and replace it with a corrupted version which they controlled (the Septuagint) via their fictional character, Moses, and their new God, Kyrios. These two theories fit together.

Here is where I am going. Were the "Persians" and the "Pharisees" (Pharisians) one and the same? Was the Persian empire not a land empire based in today's Iran, but one of the names of the original merchant network that controlled the ancient world? Was this the "medieval empire of the Israelites" that Grishin and Melamed describe, the one that practiced castration, the one that was defeated and replaced by the Greek, Roman, and Ottoman empires?

I can't develop this idea (which I encountered on the website of Didier Lacapelle) completely here without going too far afield. But I would like to tarry with it a bit. It simplifies (perhaps oversimplifies) a lot of things. The principal language of the Persian Empire in its trade dealings was Imperial Aramaic, which is basically proto-Hebrew.

The word "Pharisee" in English comes from the Hebrew root PRS(h) which means "set apart" in the sense of a priestly class set apart from ordinary people. "Persian" and "Pharisian" are more or less the same word. Was the Persian Empire simply the empire of eunuch priests? While considering this idea, it struck me that the distinction between the set-apart PRSns and the masses still exists in the English language. I am talking about the words PERSON and PEOPLE. They come from two unrelated Latin words, persona and populus, the first referring to a kind of mask (which is itself curious) and the second referring to humans considered as an animal mass. No one knows how these roots entered Latin, however. The French peuple and the German Pöbel still both suggest the helot classes. Is this a linguistic relic of a time when the Persians, i.e. Templars/Jews/eunuchs, still ran the global trade empire?

In Jewish tradition, a boy receives a name when he is circumcised. Historically, one's name day was considered more important than one's birthday, because this was the moment a baby passed from the "animal" realm to the properly "human" one. Was the name "bought" at the expense of the genitals? Was castration what transformed someone from a nameless "people" into a "person" with the right to a name?

Cyrus the Great, a Persian, is the only non-Jewish Messiah in the Bible. Roger Sabbah argues pretty convincingly that the Bible was written by the Greek Ptolemies with the goal of substituting their fabricated God, Kyrios, for the original Egyptian/Jewish God, Osiris. Well, "Kyrios" looks an awful lot like "Kyros", which is how Cyrus is written in Greek. Hypothesis: the fake character Cyrus was a first attempt on the part of the Greek Empire to "hack" the Jewish/Egyptian/Persian Empire by inventing a universalist God/Messiah and inserting him into their rewrite of the Jewish holy books. Is "Kyrios" a mix of "Kyros" and "Darios"? Was he written into the Septuagint after the (real) destruction of the first Temple in order to Hellenize the Jews/Persians? Was Cyrus a first Jesus?

Claude:

Ezra the scribe, the founding figure of the Torah-centered Judaism from which Pharisaism descends, operates under explicit Persian royal authorization. The Persians funded the rebuilding of the Temple, authorized Jewish legal autonomy, and actively promoted Torah observance among the returning exiles.

In this oversimplified version of things, there were only two real rival empires at the "beginning" of history, the Jewish/Persian/Templar and the Greek. The Elephantine Papyri are intact papyrus documents found in Egypt and written in Demotic, Greek, and Aramaic that are supposedly 2500 years old. I originally assumed they were forgeries, but once we take into account that "Ancient Egyptian" history is no more than a few hundred years old, the idea of papyrus letters surviving in the desert is no longer so unrealistic. They show that "Jews" did not have the Torah yet, worshiped multiple gods, and had multiple temples. In one of the letters, the invading "Persians" are accused of destroying their temples.

Going back to the theme of this thread, it occurs to me that every representation of Egyptian workers we have shows beardless men. Supposedly these slaves were shaving their beards every day with bronze razors before heading off to work themselves to death in the fields...no way. The entire Egyptian religion, in which the rulers and the people were supposedly united happily and harmoniously through the worship of Osiris and the institution of Maat, or divinely ordained justice, sounds like an early version of Stalinist propaganda to me. My guess is that "Maat" was more like the equivalent of North Korean "Juche". Egypt was the first industrial farm and perhaps the place where castration- and religion-based brainwash techniques were perfected in order to maximize output. Forget about the pyramids and temples for a moment. The Nile Delta is a perfect natural farm, and this is why it was so important in the past. Mainstream history considers Egypt to be the place where commodity farming, in which surplus is produced and sold at profit, was invented. No wonder every empire (Persian, Greek, Roman) not only wanted to conquer it, but wanted to export its culture. Were "Maat" and "Osiris" and castration the key to transforming primitive communities around the world into slave colonies? I like this theory because it offers us a hard, material explanation for why Egypt was so important: the geography of the Nile Delta, which made it a perfect natural commodity farm and established the template for imperial extractive sharecropping operations around the world.

I will go into more detail in my next post.
 
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The word "Pharisee" in English comes from the Hebrew root PRS(h) which means "set apart" in the sense of a priestly class set apart from ordinary people. "Persian" and "Pharisian" are more or less the same word. Was the Persian Empire simply the empire of eunuch priests? While considering this idea, it struck me that the distinction between the set-apart PRSns and the masses still exists in the English language. I am talking about the words PERSON and PEOPLE. They come from two unrelated Latin words, persona and populus, the first referring to a kind of mask (which is itself curious) and the second referring to humans considered as an animal mass. No one knows how these roots entered Latin, however. The French peuple and the German Pöbel still both suggest the underclasses. Is this a linguistic relic of a time when the Persians, i.e. Templars/Jews/eunuchs, still ran the global trade empire?

Cyrus the Great, a Persian, is the only non-Jewish Messiah in the Bible. Roger Sabbah argues pretty convincingly that the Bible was written by the Greek Ptolemies with the goal of substituting their fabricated God, Kyrios, for the original Egyptian/Jewish God, Osiris. Well, "Kyrios" looks an awful lot like "Kyros", which is how Cyrus is written in Greek. Hypothesis: the fake character Cyrus was a first attempt on the part of the Greek Empire to "hack" the Jewish/Egyptian/Persian Empire by inventing a universalist God/Messiah and inserting him into their rewrite of the Jewish holy books. Is "Kyrios" a mix of "Kyros" and "Darios"? Was he written into the Septuagint after the (real) destruction of the first Temple in order to Hellenize the Jews/Persians? Was Cyrus a first Jesus?
The words Pharisee and Persian are almost identical in Arabic as well. Persian is pronounced Farsi. Interestingly, Knight (faris) is also very close to Pharisee (farisy) and Persian (farsi). I don't know if the knight comment helps.
 
The words Pharisee and Persian are almost identical in Arabic as well. Persian is pronounced Farsi. Interestingly, Knight (faris) is also very close to Pharisee (farisy) and Persian (farsi).
So in Arabic, Persians, knights, and Pharisees are all basically the same...very interesting.
I don't know if the knight comment helps.
Yes, it does, very much, because of the connection between knights and the chaste devotion to the Lady (...Cybele, Isis) which they are supposed to embody (chaste comes from "castrate"). We've explored at length the possible connection of the phoneme GAL with castration and I think it is no coincidence that the knight who finds the Grail in the most well-known version of the legend is named Sir GALahad and succeeds because of his "purity". In John Boorman's Excalibur, one of my favorite films, the first symbol of royal power is the sword Excalibur (an obvious phallic reference), but its indiscriminate use leads Camelot to ruin via the sexual excess of Lancelot, at which point the knights must begin searching for its "antidote", the Grail (an obvious symbol of the vagina, or perhaps of castration). The whole thing has the structure of an initiatic journey. "Faris" also kind of resembles the Hebrew word for eunuch, which is "Saris" (it also means court official, hmm). Faris also connects with Pharaoh, which I will talk about in my next post.

It occurs to me that this may also be where we get the word pure, which in Latin is PURUS. There is no commonly accepted Indo-European antecedent for this word. I suspect it comes from the Aramaic root discussed in my previous post.

So:

Persian - Pharisee - Pharaoh - Faris - Person - Purus

What other words fit in here?

I guess this is where the city of Paris gets its name as well.

Also, the Trojan War begins when "Paris" steals "Helen"...aren't those the two names of the rival empires, the Persian and the Hellenic?
 
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