SH Archive Chronology: of the World, of Rome, of Christ...

[KD Archive]

Found these, in my opinion, interesting chronological references. This book was allegedly published in 1571 and has a few references pertaining to different chronological systems.

• Year of the world: 4744
• Year of Rome: 1535, or I535
• Year of Christ: 782.

While I am not sure what military conflict between the Turks and Saracens is being talked about, the below reference to Ivan the Terrible (me thinks) could be of particular interest.

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I have a hell of a time trying to read this book, for this font is killing my concentration. But...

• On 16 June 1552 Ivan IV led a strong Russian army towards Kazan. The last siege of the Tatar capital commenced on 30 August. ​
• In two campaigns of 1554 and 1556, Russian troops conquered the Astrakhan Khanate at the base of the Volga River .​

I understand that I530 and 1552 are some years apart. Yet, they are pretty close.

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KD: Could it be that our today's chronology is a mix of "of Rome" and "of Christ"? As you can see this book was printed in I571 or 1571.

• Based on the above examples ... could it be "of Rome" - year 1571?
  • ... 753 year difference between "of Rome" and "of Christ"
  • Of course, the city of Rome was allegedly founded in 753 B.C. From this stand point the PTB are covered.
    • As legend has it, Rome was founded in 753 B.C. by Romulus and Remus...
• Would that make it "of Christ" - year 818?

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Where would this place us today?

• Year of Rome: 2020​
• Year of Christ: 1267​

In turn, these calculations would push the fall of the Western Roman Empire from 476 A.D. to 1229 "of Rome".

• It could also make sense of why the fall of the Byzantine Empire (aka Eastern Roman Empire) is dated with 1453 A.D. Why did it last for almost a thousand years longer?
• What if 1453 is "of Rome"? Then we have a more reasonable 700 A.D. for the Eastern Roman Empire.

When did the Age of Discovery start and why? Could it be because whatever they call "Roman Empire" fell to whatever events? How many things started in the 15th century?

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[Onijunbei]

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might want to take into consideration the Krishna of the Hindu Vedas. This is where Greek will draw the Christos of the Bible. Also one can make a timeline on any Christ thru history, for many play that role in Spiritual writings and teachings. Rome would be more influenced by Zoraster and Mithra before the Bible comes along. Also take into consideration that the Biblical Christ is an amalgamation of spiritual teachings coming in from the East and the North. The Essenes will play a huge part in the Christ figure, and the Essenes are Eastern spiritual, taking from Hindu, Zoroaster, and Buddhist meditations and philosophies. It might piss some people off, but Truth is more important...Christ is a character that represents Spiritual Enlightenment or Attainment. Not a historical figure. According to Galatians 4, the characters of the Bible are allegories.
I also , could have missed it, didnt see AD or BC being used, I just saw Anno, which just means year if I am not mistaken.

 

[Whitewave]

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According to Galatians 4, the characters of the Bible are allegories.

The events described in Galatians 4 are allegories, not the people.

 

[Onijunbei]

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The events described in Galatians 4 are allegories, not the people.

The characters are the events... Two sons, one born of a free woman and one born of the bond woman.. Isaac receives the promise as the allegory of being free as opposed to the allegory of being born into bondage...

 

[Whitewave]

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The characters are the events... Two sons, one born of a free woman and one born of the bond woman.. Isaac receives the promise as the allegory of being free as opposed to the allegory of being born into bondage...

Ok. Have it your way.

 

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The title page has me nearly convinced that "1571" is not 1-5-7-1, or I(i)-571, but J(j)-571.

I come to this conclusion because I was confused about the name "Iulius Caesar" when I realized that the copy wrote the "J" as an "I(i)"

Now, based off my reading of a large portion of the 1749 "Universal Magazine" I remember an article about the "history of the world" saying that the Romans had tyrannical Emperors. I think it would be right up Julius Caesars alley to change the year moniker, naming it after himself with a "J," or as they wrote it, an "I(i)."

Edit: Reading further on in the "Julius Caesar" portion of the "I/J/1-571" book, it confirms that Julius was thought to be a cruel tyrant. It seems almost likely that after Julius Caesars assassination, the Romans would want to move away from the "J" or "I" year moniker.

The only thing I know is that the Powers That Should Not Be have had a hell of a laugh screwing around with our historical years. I think, at this point, it is entirely impossible to ever pin down a firm timeline. To achieve a firm timeline, we would probably need whatever hidden archives are stashed in the Vatican Vaults, or the Antarctic bases/kingdoms/temples/mansions/etc. that are kept hidden from the uninitiated.
Found the proof I've been long searching for: On the second page of the "Octavius" section.

Here is what it says, with modernized spelling of the words: "After Julius Cesars [sic] death, Octavius succeeded in a sole regiment, who reigned at the height of our Savior Christ. Then there was a universal peace over all the world."

This affirms my theory that we are living after the time of Christ's Millennial Kingdom. As I see it, this would put us around Revelation 20. However, I think some of the earlier Revelation Prophecies, even other Scriptural Prophecies, are cyclical and will be repeated in our lifetime.

This is as accurate a general modern timeline as I can think of, based off Scripture:
After Christ died, he went to hell and freed every man, woman, and child who had ever perished (Gospel of Nicodemus/Acts of Pontius Pilate). He then brought them up to the Heavens, and returned to the Earth to tell His Apostles that He would return (Millennial Kingdom/the Reign of Peace - Revelation 20) before the current generation - the generation of the Apostles - had passed (Mathew 24:34). Christ then left for a time, returned, had His rule of peace (spoken of in the Octavius section), finally leaving and releasing Satan for his little season of rule to deceive all the nations.

I think that's where we are now, and the levels of deception we see today would seem to affirm this.

 

[Archive]

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-06-25 18:23:00
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... 753 year difference between "of Rome" and "of Christ

This is right at what even some mainstream historians are starting to think have been added, especially between 600 and 1100’s AD.

 

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I am not convinced either of them existed, so dating them could prove problematic.

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
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In today's life we are led to believe that I530 means 1530 AD.

The OP book says this:

• Year: of Rome I530 = of Christ 777

If “I” = from Julius Caesar, what year is it today? If Julius Caesar existed 247 years after Christ, this stuff can get interesting.

• Year I0 = 1000 = 247 from Christ
• Year I1 = 1001 = 248 from Christ
• Year: I30 = 1030 = 277 from Christ
• Year: I530 = 1530 = 777 from Christ
• Year: I520 = 1520 = 767 from Christ
• Year: I1020 = 2020 = 1267 from Christ
  • 2020 - 1267 = 753 years

The city of Rome was established in 753 BC.

• Rome founded

Julius Caesar:

• Born/Died: 100BC/44BC
• Lived: 2,120 - 2,064 years ago
• Per the OP book calculations:
  • Lived approximately 1,000 years ago... that is in 1020 AD for us.

Jesus Christ:

• Died: 33 AD
• Lived: 2020 - 1987 years ago
• Per the OP book calculations:
  • Born: 1267 AD
  • Died: 1300 AD
  • For us: 753 - 720 years ago

Ok, I’m not sure what any of this is supposed to mean, or where Caesar and Christ existed in real life. At the same time, based on the book saying that:

• I530 = of Christ 777, I is not 1, and it cannot stand for Jesus.

At the same time the book says:

• Of Rome: I530
• Of Rome is not really of Julius or Iulius
• We have this 753 year gap, which is “coincidentally” the exact time gap between the foundation of Rome and the birth of Christ.

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KD hypothesis Ladies and Gentlemen:

• today is - 2020 “of Rome”
• today is - 1267 “of Christ”

In other words it looks like today is 1267 AD, while Jesus Christ still ends up being born in 753 “of Rome.”

 

[Archive]

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Username: Hipophoralcu
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777

What a coincidence.

 

[KD Archive]

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Based on what we have, this book was printed in:

• "of Christ" - anno 818
• "of Rome" - anno I571

 

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A few problems with the whole reset, as I see it are as follows:

1. Jesus is mentioned by Suetonius and Tacitus. Both would need resetting.
2. Pontius Pilate is part of the plot, and archeological evidence for him was recently discovered, despite many historians questioning his existence for centuries.
3. Herod the Great, Tiberius and Augustus are all mentioned in the Gospels. All would need to be reset.
4. The Gospels are all written in Koine Greek, why? Thislanguage stopped being used circa 500AD People in the area at the time were also speaking Aramaic and loads of coins and inscriptions are found everywhere in these languages. These languages meshed at a certain time, and would need to be moved accordingly. Aramaic generally died off 500AD
5. The apostle Paul is connected to Nero. Another reset needed.
6. Josephus also briefly mentions Jesus, and the christians.
7. The Romans introduced Christianity to Britain, who introduced it to the Irish and the Saxons. Another reset required.
8. Christianity spread like wildfire all over Europe, Asia and Africa. That is one hell of a trail to cover up, and move several centuries.
9. Constantine decided to change the whole religion of Rome to Christian during a period when his capital moved to Constaninople, and started the process by pulling down pagan temples, why did he officially change the states religion?
10. Then you have all the church councils, like the 325 AD Nicaea, and the Edict of Milan in 312 AD which would all need resetting.
11. Then you have the Colisseum, the most famous Roman building, with the arch of Titus showing jewish spoil all built on the looting of Jerusalem by Vespasian. These structures are tied in around 72-80 AD. Archeological and looting reset required

 

[KD Archive]

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All of the documents supporting the above were dated when and by who?

We do not have a single document discovered prior to the 15th century. This forum is full of information on this issue. Pick a document from the above list and investigate the initial source and the date of this mankind learning about the existence of this source. 1415 AD and later?

 

[Nezumi]

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This is as accurate a general modern timeline as I can think of, based off Scripture:
After Christ died, he went to hell and freed every man, woman, and child who had ever perished (Gospel of Nicodemus/Acts of Pontius Pilate). He then brought them up to the Heavens, and returned to the Earth to tell His Apostles that He would return (Millennial Kingdom/the Reign of Peace - Revelation 20) before the current generation - the generation of the Apostles - had passed (Mathew 24:34). Christ then left for a time, returned, had His rule of peace (spoken of in the Octavius section), finally leaving and releasing Satan for his little season of rule to deceive all the nations.

I think that's where we are now, and the levels of deception we see today would seem to affirm this.

According to jain timecycle , time is like a "wheel" and the earth goes through "good" bad "times. Currently we are in the 5th era dusam or just before what the hindus know as "kaliyuga" which is a time of suffering.

each of these aras progess into the next phase seamlessly without any apocalyptic consequences". also it says in the time before ours the maxium height of people reached1500meters. I guess thats why we have "evidence" of a giant human that existed?

 

[Persister]

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The title page has me nearly convinced that "1571" is not 1-5-7-1, or I(i)-571, but J(j)-571.

I come to this conclusion because I was confused about the name "Iulius Caesar" when I realized that the copy wrote the "J" as an "I(i)"

Now, based off my reading of a large portion of the 1749 "Universal Magazine" I remember an article about the "history of the world" saying that the Romans had tyrannical Emperors. I think it would be right up Julius Caesars alley to change the year moniker, naming it after himself with a "J," or as they wrote it, an "I(i)."

Edit: Reading further on in the "Julius Caesar" portion of the "I/J/1-571" book, it confirms that Julius was thought to be a cruel tyrant. It seems almost likely that after Julius Caesars assassination, the Romans would want to move away from the "J" or "I" year moniker.

The only thing I know is that the Powers That Should Not Be have had a hell of a laugh screwing around with our historical years. I think, at this point, it is entirely impossible to ever pin down a firm timeline. To achieve a firm timeline, we would probably need whatever hidden archives are stashed in the Vatican Vaults, or the Antarctic bases/kingdoms/temples/mansions/etc. that are kept hidden from the uninitiated.
Found the proof I've been long searching for: On the second page of the "Octavius" section.

View attachment 48161

Here is what it says, with modernized spelling of the words: "After Julius Cesars [sic] death, Octavius succeeded in a sole regiment, who reigned at the height of our Savior Christ. Then there was a universal peace over all the world."

This affirms my theory that we are living after the time of Christ's Millennial Kingdom. As I see it, this would put us around Revelation 20. However, I think some of the earlier Revelation Prophecies, even other Scriptural Prophecies, are cyclical and will be repeated in our lifetime.

This is as accurate a general modern timeline as I can think of, based off Scripture:
After Christ died, he went to hell and freed every man, woman, and child who had ever perished (Gospel of Nicodemus/Acts of Pontius Pilate). He then brought them up to the Heavens, and returned to the Earth to tell His Apostles that He would return (Millennial Kingdom/the Reign of Peace - Revelation 20) before the current generation - the generation of the Apostles - had passed (Mathew 24:34). Christ then left for a time, returned, had His rule of peace (spoken of in the Octavius section), finally leaving and releasing Satan for his little season of rule to deceive all the nations.

I think that's where we are now, and the levels of deception we see today would seem to affirm this.

I certainly agree that our current dating is a scam. And I also agree that the date should be either I### or J###.

 

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In today's life we are led to believe that I530 means 1530 AD.

The OP book says this:

• Year: of Rome I530 = of Christ 777

If “I” = from Julius Caesar, what year is it today? If Julius Caesar existed 247 years after Christ, this stuff can get interesting.

• Year I0 = 1000 = 247 from Christ
• Year I1 = 1001 = 248 from Christ
• Year: I30 = 1030 = 277 from Christ
• Year: I530 = 1530 = 777 from Christ
• Year: I520 = 1520 = 767 from Christ
• Year: I1020 = 2020 = 1267 from Christ
  • 2020 - 1267 = 753 years

The city of Rome was established in 753 BC.

• Rome founded

Julius Caesar:

• Born/Died: 100BC/44BC
• Lived: 2,120 - 2,064 years ago
• Per the OP book calculations:
  • Lived approximately 1,000 years ago... that is in 1020 AD for us.

Jesus Christ:

• Died: 33 AD
• Lived: 2020 - 1987 years ago
• Per the OP book calculations:
  • Born: 1267 AD
  • Died: 1300 AD
  • For us: 753 - 720 years ago

Ok, I’m not sure what any of this is supposed to mean, or where Caesar and Christ existed in real life. At the same time, based on the book saying that:

• I530 = of Christ 777, I is not 1, and it cannot stand for Jesus.

At the same time the book says:

• Of Rome: I530
• Of Rome is not really of Julius or Iulius
• We have this 753 year gap, which is “coincidentally” the exact time gap between the foundation of Rome and the birth of Christ.

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KD hypothesis Ladies and Gentlemen:

• today is - 2020 “of Rome”
• today is - 1267 “of Christ”

In other words it looks like today is 1267 AD, while Jesus Christ still ends up being born in 753 “of Rome.”

This post by @wild heretic Could Jesus have been a clone?
Has images showing knights and jesuit monks at the crucifixion.

 

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Username: Hovdenes
Date: 2020-06-28 00:18:35
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Based on what we have, this book was printed in:

• "of Christ" - anno 818
• "of Rome" - anno I571

View attachment 48188
View attachment 48187

Don't know if you saw this, KD. But, I found this dating to be highly interesting but I'm not sure how to connect it.
I understand this to mean Octavius reigned 722 years after Rome was built. Wikipedia says, the order of succession for Rome was Romulus>244 years of monarchy>Julius Caesar>Octavius. That doesn't equate to 722 years.

I have no idea what the "year after the banishment of kings 480" means.

As a side note of things I found: I noticed that the Chronicle lists an Emperor "Alexander Severus" as such by name, and Wikipedia calls him "Severus Alexander." There was also the case that the Chronicle lists Julius Caesar's parents as "Lucius Caesar" and "Aurelia." Wikipedia lists Julius Caesar's parents as "Gaius Julius Caesar" and "Aurelia." Strangely enough, Aurelia has three brothers, two of whom are named Gaius and Lucius.

I assume the writers of history threw the same names into the bag to further confuse anybody trying to find the truth.

 

[yoxdo]

the confusion I think is because the book is listing the dates as a present date to each event.. therefore for the first page listing of book of christ 782, that is the date thought by the author of leo iv dying although wiki has 780 so the book is written as a timeline.

 

[wise]

Could it be because whatever they call "Roman Empire" fell to whatever events? How many things started in the 15th century?

This answer will not be an answer to your question, but it will contribute to the issue and make it easier.

We know that Jesus was brought to Istanbul in his last days. Sandokhan has a book full of publications on this subject. I don't want to go into detail. Historical and religious texts state that Jesus was brought to Rome. Religious texts mention that he was brought to the city of Seven Hills. At that time, the place known as Rome was not Rome, but Istanbul. And Istanbul is known as the city has Seven Hills. This is a clear statement that Jesus lived in Istanbul in his last days. After Rome was clearly divided into East and west, the Eastern Romans preferred the name Constantinople while the Western Romans used the Roman name for their capital. However, Istanbul is Rome historically.

I also want to briefly mention where the grave of Jesus was found here. In his last days, Jesus lived in Beykoz, died there and was buried there. But whether or not the body was present is debatable, as is the matter of his death real or not.

This is a ruins called "Yusha Hill" in the Beykoz district of Istanbul. This place is so well preserved that even the trees to which Jesus was tied was not cut down and was preserved by leaving it in the grave.

It is clear that an ordinary person would not need such a long grave. Clearly, they thought he was there, so they made a grave around the tree. We don't know if anyone's there. They won't let you open the grave, but maybe an infra-red camera can check for bones down there. I'm not sure anyone's ever done this, guess not. That's not the answer to your question. He's just pointing it in another direction. Also, I couldn't open a topic, so I found this place as the nearest topic. This issue can be deepened. As an Istanbul man, I can say that Jesus was most likely crucified in Beykoz district.

I want to give briefly information about the people of beykoz. Here are the darkest religious families in Turkey. They use Kabbala teachings and are relatives. They use the most secret and powerful spells. The fact that these people believe that Jesus was a false prophet; and killed him with this thought coincides with their physical and spiritual powers. And this condition is suitable for the natural flow of life.

Jesus has been crucified in here.