Note: This post was recovered from the Sh.org archive.Username: ripvanwillieDate: 2020-06-22 02:18:45Reaction Score: 11
I don't have the energy to debate people, and I don't think debate is a positive method of discovery, so I don't do it. But, since you asked for my opinion, and you seem to have a genuine interest in finding the truth, I'll give you mine. Btw, this is not my model. I haven't figured it all out. Just bits and pieces. I watched the videos you provided.
First the video on flight paths.
The video is not showing you any evidence of this, it's just telling you it's so. There are many flights in the southern hemisphere that show the time and mileage to be correct. The airline industry has it's reasons for the bizarre paths it takes. Don't trust me, check with the airlines and do the math yourself. The video is simply parroting other videos on the net. Most of civilization lives in the northern hemisphere, and travel is made according to that. The oceans in the southern hemisphere are much larger and it makes it much more difficult if something goes awry. The flight path mystery has long ago been debunked so I won't do it here (I don't want to be a debunker anyway).
The distances by the sailing are not explained. Were they all nautical miles? How did they measure that in the 18th century? Short answer, they couldn't. The old ships sailed by the stars, and manual instruments. And it wasn't an experiment to find the shape of the earth. So no accurate measurements were ever taken, not that they could anyway. Remember, they couldn't figure out longitude back then! Winds, currents, seasons all change the time of travel, not to mention all the stops in between. Plus, they didn't have the chronology we do now. They were exploring the world, mostly looking for spices, gold, and stealing slaves. Even today different countries have different systems of dates and calendars, and there isn't really a way to figure out the old dates precisely. So how can we do math from that missing data? Look into the work of Anatoly Fomenko and the new chronology and you'll learn how screwed up our historical dates are.
As for your second question. I disagree with that video. Again, he's just parroting other videos. The distances he shows are just numbers, not sure where he got them. He doesn't even say if it's nautical miles. I have yet to see any actual discrepancies in distances. They are well known.
Your third question I can't answer, because I've never seen that photo before, so I haven't studied it. But I will. The texture you see in the background may just be from the photo process and/or type of paper it was printed on, but without being able to view the actual photo, I can't determine that. But it clearly is texture of some sort. This is a major problem with digitizing photos. You have to look at the original. I am a professional photographer, so this is a subject I understand quite well.
As far as the firmament, that is a religious term and is only found in the Bible and Qu'ran, so much as I am aware. That is why science minded people always raise their eyebrows when that word comes up. That is why I try not to use religious terms when I describe things. It has nothing to do with religion. But, there is evidence of a glass firmament, or whatever you wish to name it. It's the Libyan glass. They found glass, lot's of it, in the Libyan desert that simply couldn't have been made here in earth. It had to be made in the sky. They even sometimes call it sky glass. You can actually buy some on Ebay! So, this one is a true mystery that may actually prove some sort of firmament or sky barrier. Remember, a vacuum will suck everything in until it's filled, so without some sort of barrier, we'd be sucked right off the planet along with our atmosphere. Either there is a firmament, or there is no vacuum in space. Take your pick. But it doesn't have to be shaped like a dome, it could be a sphere inside of our sphere.
Third question, the grid lines. This one is easy. He is using a digital zoom. It's simply an artifact of the sensor, which when digitally zoomed it shows overlapping pixels. You won't see that if you use a film camera to make the video.
Fourth question, the Lake Michigan photo. There is no way to tell if the camera was leveled or how high above the waters surface it was. There is much photographic and video evidence that shows the earth isn't convex. But that doesn't mean it's flat. In fact, (and I do mean fact) WATER IS NEVER LEVEL! The nature of water molecules and how they connect with each other makes flatness impossible. It's just how our brains interpret the scene. This is a very complicated subject that involves the brain, the eyes, the inner ear, molecular biology and such. Far too much to explain here. Simply put, our brains make it look level so we can walk upright without falling over. I do plan on making a video about this when I have the time. There are lots of photos and videos you can see on the internet that absolutely shows an upward curve. But I think people expect it to be more dramatic of a curve because of what they see in some video games. The curve is there to be seen, it's just subtle because of the size of the earth (and us!).
These are all valuable observations, but none of them show proof of a flat earth. Some of it is simple misunderstanding. If you want proof of the earth's concavity, look into FM radio waves, the Calamut and Tamarack mine surveys, et al. I will eventually do a write up and video on FM radio and how it proves a concave earth. Airplanes give us much evidence as well. They couldn't fly until someone invented wing flaps to make airplanes pitch upward!
Now take a look at the flat earth map.
Does Australia look like Australia? Not even close. Show this to an Aussie and they'll laugh in your face (or chuck an ale at you!). We have long ago mapped the lands, and we know precisely their shape and size. None of the land masses on a flat earth map are correct. If you plot the correct shapes of the land masses the oceans are wrong. If you plot the oceans, the land masses are wrong. Simply put,
the flat earth model cannot be plotted on a 2 dimensional plane! This alone should tell you the earth can't be flat. These polar projection maps are just that, polar projections. Almost nothing is accurate. All maps try to plot a three-dimensional object onto a two-dimensional plane, so they all have at least one major distortion. Out of dozens, if not hundreds of different map projections, the one that has the fewest distortions and is most accurate is the Nicolosi Globular projection. And this one is clearly a concave earth projection. There is even a three dimensional one you can observe and walk inside! It's called the Mapparium. It's at the Mary Baker library in Boston, MA. USA.
Mapparium | Mary Baker Eddy Library
Now don't get me wrong, I agree that the people who believe the earth is flat are half way there. They are the ones who are awakening. It's not their fault that they believe the earth is flat, it's the only real option they've been given by TPTB (the powers that be).
I truly feel the flat earth model is a psyop to keep people from the truth. I am 60 years old, and ten years ago no one believed in the flat earth, sans a few people in the flat earth society, which was started in the 1950's. Its growth is a modern internet phenomenon. Whereas the concave model can be seen in maps going back hundreds of years, and it's all hidden from us.
Please do not judge the concave model on my words. Investigate it yourself. I'm more afraid of turning people off to the possibility than convincing them of its accuracy. I'm only one man. Just look how many men it took over hundreds of years to develop the convex model we have been taught. I believe we all have pieces to this puzzle. No one person will ever have all the answers.
