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A slight modification to the flat earth map answers quite a few criticisms and inconsistencies in that cosmology, perhaps bringing us one step closer to the truth.

For instance, why the polar night above a certain latitude? Quite simply, that's when the sun dips below the level of the polar circle and can no longer be seen.

If you look on Flight Tracker, all North South flights show as a straight line, but all East West flights show as curved. Why? Perhaps because the north/south dimension is straight, while only the east/west dimension curves!

Why can't people agree whether the horizon is flat or curved? Perhaps it's both, depending which direction you look!

How about cone sun and cone moon? Why not! The reason we only see one face of the moon (the bottom) is that the large end is "gravity locked" in with the earth, spinning about like a floating magnet.

What if the cone is infinite? What if the cone is hollow? What if there are 2 cones, one inverted over the other? What if the cone is GROWING? All these are possible. The cone fits with any theory, uniting them all.

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-08-22 19:45:58
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So how does water stick to the surface?

Edit: Me personally, I’m yet to see a curved horizon.

 

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Username: Anonymous
Date: 2018-08-22 19:56:29
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Water is attracted by static electricity, which is a form of magnetism, just as current electricity is a form of magnetism.

When magnets are used to generate electricity, we call that an alternator. When we use eletricity to create a magnet, it's called an electromagnet. When static electricity creates a magnet, we call it "gravity"

Newtonian gravity does not exist, but the force that holds us to the earth DOES exist. I call that force "static magnetism" - here is a video of that force in action. While an electromagnet only attracts metal, a static magnet attracts EVERYTHING.

Like the balloon above, the earth is "charged" with static electricity, creating static magnetism. Anti-gravity is achievable by countering or dispelling this static electricity. (see vril craft)

Cone earth (or flat earth for that matter) does not rotate, which is why gravity is the same all over. This matches observed reality, where you would weigh the same on the equator as you do on the poles. On the globe model, you should weigh far less at the equator due to centrifugal force.

 

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Username: CyborgNinja
Date: 2018-08-22 20:13:50
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I'm just wondering how this would work. If I look east or west the horizon is flat. That makes sense but when i look north or south the horizon is not a curve like you claim. The flat earth is a very intuitive model. Your cone model is very unintuitive. It just isnt even remotely supported by personal experience.

Why not just go with a cube or a cylinder if we're just making stuff up here?

Anti-gravity is achievable by countering or dispelling this static electricity. (see vril craft)

What do you mean "see vril craft"? Is there an actual vril saucer avaliable to the public that I haven't been told about?

 

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Username: Anonymous
Date: 2018-08-22 20:50:44
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I'm just wondering how this would work. If I look east or west the horizon is flat. That makes sense but when i look north or south the horizon is not a curve like you claim. The flat earth is a very intuitive model. Your cone model is very unintuitive. It just isnt even remotely supported by personal experience.

Why not just go with a cube or a cylinder if we're just making stuff up here?

What do you mean "see vril craft"? Is there an actual vril saucer avaliable to the public that I haven't been told about?

There is no Vril saucer to see, but you can read in some places about how their antigravity is achieved, and it is described in terms of electrostatic charge.

source: Viktor Schauberger & UFO's of Nazi Germany

also notice that Vril craft, have a giant cone in the middle. It seems like the cone is a shape with some interesting gravitational properties.

To answer your questions regarding earth's shape.I considered the cylinder first. Have you ever wrapped the earth map around a cylinder? It is much taller than you would think.

The reason I went with the cone in the end is that the southern "hemisphere" seems to be much larger than the northern. I would like more data on this though, I heard it took some explorer 9 times longer to circumnavigate the southern region than it should have, but I haven't been able to find the primary source.

The flat map is very good and fits with a lot of flights, but it isn't perfect. That's why i adjusted it just a little bit into the cone. They are almost the same thing.

notice that on the flat earth map, continents look like they should close to the north pole, but start to get very distorted toward the southern ice wall. Imposing the flat earth on a cone, fixes the distortions perfectly.

basically, i just continuted to massage the map until there were no more distortions. I came up with the flat top doing the same thing, and now the map looks beautiful.

 

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Username: CyborgNinja
Date: 2018-08-23 07:22:02
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There is no Vril saucer to see, but you can read in some places about how their antigravity is achieved, and it is described in terms of electrostatic charge.

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source: Viktor Schauberger & UFO's of Nazi Germany

also notice that Vril craft, have a giant cone in the middle. It seems like the cone is a shape with some interesting gravitational properties.

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To answer your questions regarding earth's shape.I considered the cylinder first. Have you ever wrapped the earth map around a cylinder? It is much taller than you would think.

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The reason I went with the cone in the end is that the southern "hemisphere" seems to be much larger than the northern. I would like more data on this though, I heard it took some explorer 9 times longer to circumnavigate the southern region than it should have, but I haven't been able to find the primary source.

The flat map is very good and fits with a lot of flights, but it isn't perfect. That's why i adjusted it just a little bit into the cone. They are almost the same thing.

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notice that on the flat earth map, continents look like they should close to the north pole, but start to get very distorted toward the southern ice wall. Imposing the flat earth on a cone, fixes the distortions perfectly.

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basically, i just continuted to massage the map until there were no more distortions. I came up with the flat top doing the same thing, and now the map looks beautiful.

Seems legit. Extra points for the time it must have taken to do the 3D mock ups.

 

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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2018-08-23 08:00:28
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The kind of logic I see in this thread is something that really permeates the flat-earth communities. Don't you see that there is no evidence for a flat or cone earth? That's why flat-earthers will always resort to conspiracies, and never talk about physics.

Instead of reinventing the wheel it would be more appropriate to start with a coherent model and see if there are any discrepancies.

"I heard it took some explorer 9 times longer to circumnavigate the southern region than it should have", some arbitrary UFO shape, etc.

All of this isn't convincing, and the fact that people just make up their preferred earth shape out of thin air shows that something isn't quite right with this form of logic. Everything that doesn't fit is a lie, and everything that remotely fits will be shaped according to ideology.

What you have done isn't a theory or a model, it is merely an idea based on currently nothing but cherry-picked and non-verifiable observations.

I don't question your intentions, but creating emotionally loaded memes is based more in propaganda/politics than in honest questioning of reality. I guess you are honest and you just copied this form of low-quality communication from the flat-earth community without knowing the background.

Just start with looking at history and you see that flat earth wasn't even a prominent concept in science, but that the debate in society for a long time resolved around the question whether we are basically the center of a small universe (either concave or convex), or just a random convex planet in a endlessly big universe. Every notion of concavity was deleted from history, to make it appear as if the concept doesn't even exist. It is too obvious though and that's why it resurfaced. With aggressivity some forces pushed for convex heliocentrism, even though just like catastrophism was the dominant concept in the 18th Century geology, it appears to be that concave or convex geocentrism was the majority believe in astronomy. Goethe left some clues to concavity, but he always hinted that he was censored and is not allowed to write down certain things. This was during the time when science was co-opted to become a modern religion, and it was not allowed to write down the obvious, to make it impossible for us future people to figure out the truth. Modern concept of flat-Earth came up after this historical censorship to fill the void, but it is a dead-end.

Now flat earth itself has enough circumstantial religious/mythical evidence, so it should be explored as a concept, but quickly diverting from it when some things supposedly don't make sense is not valid. But everyone who analyzes this circumstantial evidence needs to carefully argue in favor of it, because there is apparently much evidence to argue for a gradual decrease in flat-earth believe when the astronomical observations contradicted the old models. I don't know if that is the case, but everyone arguing in favor of the mythical evidence needs to show why things were different.

Where you are right is with elecricity and gravity, which is an active force created probably by the sun, the poles or maybe by the earth as you say. I think the sun not only governs electricity, magnetism and gravity but also how light bends, which a coherent model of the world needs to take into account.

 

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Username: CyborgNinja
Date: 2018-08-23 09:32:45
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All of this isn't convincing, and the fact that people just make up their preferred earth shape out of thin air shows that something isn't quite right with this form of logic.

True but you gotta have some fun with it.

 

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Username: BStankman
Date: 2018-08-23 09:40:29
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Is that direct flight even real?
A quick search of airlines and I find few direct flights, but a whole bunch that have layovers in Texas or Mexico for some reason.

 

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Username: pushamaku
Date: 2018-08-23 12:05:37
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What you have done isn't a theory or a model, it is merely an idea based on currently nothing but cherry-picked and non-verifiable observations.

Exactly...

Personally I subscribe to the Hermetic belief, "As Above, so Below", which would be fractal in nature, and the "cone" just doesn't seem to stick here. Now, if you presented a donut earth, I may be intrigued...

 

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Username: anotherlayer
Date: 2018-08-23 14:29:15
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Now, if you presented a donut earth, I may be intrigued...

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well, have i got a theory for you!

 

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Username: Anonymous
Date: 2018-08-23 16:02:30
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The kind of logic I see in this thread is something that really permeates the flat-earth communities.
I don't question your intentions, but creating emotionally loaded memes is based more in propaganda/politics than in honest questioning of reality. I guess you are honest and you just copied this form of low-quality communication from the flat-earth community without knowing the background.

You can have the best intentions honestly questioning reality, but if you don't have memes your ideas will never catch on. I've seen many other internet users come up with the cone earth model on their own independently, but no one else has traction because no one else created high quality memes.




If you can create a viral hypothesis that will capture people's imagination, they will do the work for you in proving it right or wrong. Cone earth is catchy because it compromises by addressing some problems with flat earth, while maintaining a few of the elements of globe earth that made it so successful for 500 years. Is it literally correct as drawn? Probably not. But like evolution, science is an iterative process.

 

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Username: humanoidlord
Date: 2018-08-23 19:35:59
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i am still skeptical of any alternative earth shape models, though i have to say this is more plausible than flat earth

 

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Username: Glumlit
Date: 2018-08-23 23:30:02
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Now, if you presented a donut earth, I may be intrigued...

I'm drawn more toward the donut shape too.

It makes me wonder if we're spinning around the sun. And maybe the moon is a reflection

I would think the top and bottom rims would be the North and South poles. I'd assume cold dead space past where the sun can't hit

 

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Username: Ian Goss
Date: 2018-08-24 12:58:45
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This April I flew London to Phoenix Arizona.
Outbound the inflight display showed us arcing north touching southern tip of Greenland .. Then south across canada , Minnesota.
Officially this is a " great circle route" which avoids the extra distance of the earths curvature.

Time to get a large globe and some string and measure..

(Of course if the mapping on a globe is distorted .. Theres no way of proving anything)

Mountains of South Greenland coast from 747 window

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-08-24 16:54:54
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Kinda like this?

 

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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2018-08-24 17:06:16
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Why do you fly over Greenland in an airplane flight? Or why is it that when you see flight paths on a map they always take a curved route between 2 cities? It’s because planes travel along the true shortest route in a 3-dimensional space. This route is called a geodesic or great circle route. They are common in navigation, sailing and aviation. But geodesics can be confusing when you’re looking at a 2-dimensional map as they follow quite the odd flight path. Let’s dig into this concept a bit deeper.
Planes travel along the true shortest route in 3-dimensional space. This route is called a geodesic or great circle. While map projections distort these routes confusing passengers, the great circle path is the shortest path between two far locations. This is why pilots fly polar routes saving time and distance. And this is why pilots often fly over Greenland. source

Thus a flight path north of the equator can not be used as proof for a flat earth. And the common (slightly curved to the bottom) southern flight paths disprove it: flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA222

 

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Username: Ian Goss
Date: 2018-08-24 17:07:25
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Certainly fits very well on a flat earth.
I tried finding a distance calculator that works on a sphere, didn't find one yet.
Spherical geometry is a bit beyond me manually!

 

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Username: Anonymous
Date: 2018-08-24 17:11:44
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I tried finding a distance calculator that works on a sphere, didn't find one yet.

Google Earth has it, here is England to Texas

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-08-24 19:02:01
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This is little things like this, when they add up in mass quantities, make you start questioning things.