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[trismegistus]

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Username: trismegistus
Date: 2020-06-20 19:22:17
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There has to be a third enemy or a bigger facet of war thats been intentionally obscured within under a hundred years, where I am a mysterious Aboriginal American group lived near the Niagara tunnel systems, they spoke a mixed language the other Natives described as awry tounged, attawandonak, different language speaking, they insisted their culture was different, there is ancient structures buried here in dirt built by them, very fancy brickwork, they could have been building castles, it reminds me of the Nurembega tower in some ways, or the base of the Washington monument, these people could have been speaking a deutch english integrated hybrid

Do you have additional supplemental evidence of these group of natives in the Niagara region? I don’t want to derail the thread so you can just send me a direct message. I am very interested in this claim, as this is the area I grew up in and have done a lot of research on, but have never quite come across this.

 

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Username: CreoleRoyale
Date: 2020-07-03 03:28:54
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I may be able to chime in o the "lost mixed society" idea. I'm Creole and from Louisiana...we were always "free peoples" and prior to the "Louisiana Purchase" the territory was considered foreign to "Americans". Now at this time we did not like "Americans" and thought then to be a bit barbaric and uncultured. We did not like them moving into our lands and neighborhoods and tried our best to separate ourselves, continue using French/Creole and keeping them out of government, etc. Now there's writings from the "American" perspective saying when they came into the newly acquired lands they were astonished and outraged at what they saw: people of all races openly interacting with one another and holding equal positions to one another in society. They reported lavish living on par with European kings with a lot of decadence and fine clothing. Relationships between different races out in the open and negroes and whites dancing and drunk with one another in the streets....the "Americans" could not have this, they reported back and the rest is history. Free Creoles, blacks, etc slowly got pushed out if government, their businesses taken, rights taken, laws changed, French language outlawed in most cases and removed as the spoken language of the courts/government....wars, replacement, Jim Crow laws, census changes and many previous "race options" disappearing from it and everything getting consolidated to "black/colored and white". Most of the history from that time isnt spoken about or widely known. West of the Mississippi was a totally different place and country. So yes there was a much different and mixed society prior to the American takeover of the "West".

 

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Username: RTP now
Date: 2020-07-04 14:13:13
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I may be able to chime in o the "lost mixed society" idea. I'm Creole and from Louisiana...we were always "free peoples" and prior to the "Louisiana Purchase" the territory was considered foreign to "Americans". Now at this time we did not like "Americans" and thought then to be a bit barbaric and uncultured. We did not like them moving into our lands and neighborhoods and tried our best to separate ourselves, continue using French/Creole and keeping them out of government, etc. Now there's writings from the "American" perspective saying when they came into the newly acquired lands they were astonished and outraged at what they saw: people of all races openly interacting with one another and holding equal positions to one another in society. They reported lavish living on par with European kings with a lot of decadence and fine clothing. Relationships between different races out in the open and negroes and whites dancing and drunk with one another in the streets....the "Americans" could not have this, they reported back and the rest is history. Free Creoles, blacks, etc slowly got pushed out if government, their businesses taken, rights taken, laws changed, French language outlawed in most cases and removed as the spoken language of the courts/government....wars, replacement, Jim Crow laws, census changes and many previous "race options" disappearing from it and everything getting consolidated to "black/colored and white". Most of the history from that time isnt spoken about or widely known. West of the Mississippi was a totally different place and country. So yes there was a much different and mixed society prior to the American takeover of the "West".

Here's a legal brief that seems to confirm what you have shared about the mixed society of Louisiana. I previously heard that "Louisiana" was named after a "black" or mixed woman whose family actually owned the land that was/is the District of Louisiana. A little digging and I came across the this legal document that confirms that the US government disputed and conspired to take the land through legal chicanery.

This is a brief summary of the case with the legal brief following:

There is a woman named Verdiacee Washitaw-Turner Goston El-Bey, and she is the legal heir by blood to the Maison Rouge land grants that were willed to her great-great-grandfather, Henry Turner. Verdiacee's land is the district of Louisiana which is named after her great-great-great- grandfather's friend Louis Boullingny, who sold the land to Joseph De Maison Rouge in 1795. Joseph had a daughter named Annie in which the land went to her. Annie named the land Louisiana after 'Louis' and 'Annie.' In 1848 the U.S. government took the Turners to court to take the district of Louisiana, however the g overnment lost and the land was granted to the heirs of Henry Turner.

 

[Onijunbei]

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Username: Onijunbei
Date: 2020-07-04 16:31:38
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The way I understand it is the South didn't care about what the North was doing for many decades after the War. When the North started its international agenda to destroy the world (Philippines, World Wars, etc) they needed more "boys" to fight their wars. One of the ways they did that was to create monuments to the South and naming ships after famous Southern leaders. This gave the South the false sense of togetherness and healing with the North that of course is ending in current times.

As for slavery, it was never abolished. It just went from one knowing that they are a slave to not knowing that they are a slave.