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If these musical chairs with various city names in Turkey are of any indication, we will never be able figure out what was where, and when. At first, I came across a 13th century buried chapel, which was recently excavated in Turkey. While trying to establish what older city its location could be attributed to, it became obvious, that TPTB had their way with city/town names. Same names jump all over the place. Eventually, we ended up with what we have today, but what we have does not necessarily match with what we used to have.
The chapel’s structural integrity suggests that Myra may be largely intact underground. “This means we can find the original city, like Pompeii,” said Nevzat Cevik, an archaeologist at Akdeniz University who is director of the excavations at Myra, beneath the modern town of Demre.
But Myra attracted invaders, too. Arabs attacked in the 7th and 9th centuries. In the 11th, Seljuk Turks seized the city, and the bones thought to be those of Nicholas were stolen away to Bari, in southern Italy, by merchants who claimed to have been sent by the pope.
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KD: This thread was sitting in this semi-started condition for about a week already. I guess I'm just lazy to do all the map related stuff. Here is in a nutshell on this city of Myra:
At the same time our Myra appears to be present in the Bible:
Eventually everything comes down to some real probability of the Church of Myra actually being the same old factory of Artemis.
- City/Town Name was moved to a different location
- City/Town was renamed
- City/Town was renamed and moved to a different location
Buried Chapel
Archaeologists first detected the ancient city in 2009 using ground-penetrating radar that revealed anomalies whose shape and size suggested walls and buildings. Over the next two years they excavated a small, stunning 13th-century chapel sealed in an uncanny state of preservation. Carved out of one wall is a cross that, when sunlit, beams its shape onto the altar. Inside is a vibrant fresco that is highly unusual for Turkey.
But Myra attracted invaders, too. Arabs attacked in the 7th and 9th centuries. In the 11th, Seljuk Turks seized the city, and the bones thought to be those of Nicholas were stolen away to Bari, in southern Italy, by merchants who claimed to have been sent by the pope.
- By the 13th century, Myra was largely abandoned. Yet someone built the small chapel using stones recycled from buildings and tombs.
- Decades later, several seasons of heavy rain appear to have sealed Myra's fate. The chapel provides evidence of Myra's swift entombment. If the sediment had built up gradually, the upper portions should show more damage; instead, except for the roof's dome, at the surface, its preservation is consistent from bottom to top.
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- Myra
- Myra was an ancient Greek, then Roman Greek, then Byzantine Greek, then Ottoman Greek town in Lycia, which became the small Turkish town of Kale, renamed Demre in 2005, in the present-day Antalya Province of Turkey.
- The ancient Greek citizens worshipped Artemis Eleutheria, who was the protective goddess of the town.
- In 1923 its Greek inhabitants had been required to leave by the Population exchange between Greece and Turkey, at which time its church (KD: institution?) was finally abandoned.
- It was founded on the river Myros in the fertile alluvial plain between Alaca Dağ, the Massikytos range and the Aegean Sea.
- Demre is a town and its surrounding district in the Antalya Province on the Mediterranean coast of Turkey, named after the river Demre.
- Demre is the Lycian town of Myra, the home of Saint Nicholas of Myra, the historical man later developed into the figure of Santa Claus.
- The district was known as Kale until it was renamed in 2005.
- The abandoned Greek villages in the region are a striking reminder of this exodus.
- Abandoned Greek houses can still be seen at Demre and the regions of Kalkan, Kaş and Kaya which is a Greek ghost town.
- A small population of Turkish farmers moved into the region when the Greeks migrated to Greece.
- By the 13th century, Myra was largely abandoned. Yet someone built the small chapel using stones recycled from buildings and tombs.
- Decades later, several seasons of heavy rain appear to have sealed Myra's fate. The chapel provides evidence of Myra's swift entombment. If the sediment had built up gradually, the upper portions should show more damage; instead, except for the roof's dome, at the surface, its preservation is consistent from bottom to top.
At the same time our Myra appears to be present in the Bible:
- Myra, a city of the ancient country of Lycia about 2 1/2 miles from the coast. Here, according to Acts 27:6, Paul found a grain ship from Alexandria. The city stood upon a hill formed by the openings of two valleys.
- At an early period Myra was of less importance than was the neighboring city Patara, yet later it became a prominent port for ships from Egypt and Cyprus, and Theodosius II made it the capital of the province.
- It was also famed as the seat of worship of an Asiatic deity whose name is no longer known.
- Nicholas, a bishop and the patron saint of sailors, is said to have been buried in a church on the road between Myra and Andraki, the port.
- Here an Arab fleet was destroyed in 807.
- In 808 Haroun al-Rashid, the renowned kalif of Bagdad, took the city, and here Saewulf landed on his return from Jerusalem.
- Dembre is the modern name of the ruins of Myra, which are among the most imposing in that part of Asia Minor.
- The elaborate details of the decoration of theater are unusually well preserved, and the rock-hewn tombs about the city bear many bas-reliefs and inscriptions of interest.
- On the road to Andraki the monastery of Nicholas may still be seen.
Eventually everything comes down to some real probability of the Church of Myra actually being the same old factory of Artemis.
- The town (Myra) had a market place, temples, a town hall, a gymnasium, and a bathhouse that was built by the Romans in the third century CE. The temple of Artemis Eleuthera was called the most splendid building of Lycia. And of course, it had a well-known harbor.
- Myra was destroyed in 141 CE, but rebuilt by a rich man named Opramoas of Rhodiapolis, who is known to have paid for the restoration of the gymnasium and the shrine of Artemis.
- In Antiquity, however, the town was especially famous for its temple of Artemis, which was shown on the urban coins.
- According to a medieval legend, bishop Nicholas of Myra destroyed the temple of Artemis in Ephesus; the truth may be that he managed to get the temple of the goddess in his own town closed.
- KD: In my opinion all these events took place much later. Meaning around 1650s +/-.
