SH Archive Excavation of Rome: archaeologists are silent

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Got caught up in the comments until I remembered why I came here...
This buried business was the very first intro to all discussed on this site, and it's interesting timing that I now live in Italia, during this weirdo apocalypse and still living out of suitcases, all of a sudden this turns up (or drops down?) in the Pantheon today;
Sinkhole open at Pantheon (5) - English
If you choose not to open it, here's the picture;

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Squarest sinkhole I've ever seen, although perhaps they started preliminary tidying for repair?
Or perhaps it was purposefully created. Dunno.
But I remember going on a rant once about the Pantheon (of Gods) being literally on the Tiber, and a little port beside it, Port de Ripetta, where boats came and went.
After whatever happened to bury so many cities etc., the Tiber began to flow a few kilometers north-west instead.
The image of the Pantheon was illustrated with steps curving up towards it from down near the river.

I'll try to find...
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In my humble estimation, when looking at the distance of the hole suddenly appearing right beside the Pantheon (of Gods) (Planets)
as the planets themselves are stirring all sorts of mischief (meaning huge change) in the heavens, as above so below, while the occult symbols ebb and flow daily through the media, that hole would be round about where that section falls away and a woman stands with her back to the painter, more or less, in the arch down below.

As to what it all signifies, I'm not so sure. But it must be significant, because they... "they" wouldn't have mentioned the sinkhole otherwise.
Cracks in the narrative... destruction of the old...

And the Husband found this today, of Rome as late as 189...9? Around the very end of the 1800's anyway. It's of the Roman Forum. My word, how very chaotic it must have been to be quite so BURIED, that all that junk had to be dug out at that time, and yet Mussolini still had armies of men digging for years under him to get it to the state it's in today.
(That's a military balloon apparently, who sent men up to photograph the place.)

The sheer SCALE.

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Just found a great connection further to this, which points (yet again) to the occult angle.

This is from a FB post in a group I pop in to now and then.

Just the first bit, here;

"Take, for example, the Roman founding myth. When seeking a location to found his city, Romulus spotted 12 vultures (a symbol associated with Jupiter and rebirth for their ability to bring life from death) and marked off this sacred location with the wall we know as the Pomerium.

So sacred was this boundary that Romulus slew his brother for leaping over the battlements, thus defending the integrity of the “center of the world” from being profaned.

Mircea Eliade states “for religious man, space is not homogenous; he experiences interruptions, breaks in it; some parts of the space are qualitatively different from others“ (The Sacred and Profane, page 20)

“To organize a space is to repeat the paradigmatic work of the gods... The pole represents a cosmic axis, for it is around the sacred pole the territory becomes habitable, Hence is transformed into a world.” (The Sacred and Profane, page 32-33)

“Where the breakthrough from plane to plane has been affected by a hierophany* (see below), there too an opening has been made either upward (The World of Being) or downward (The Underworld, the World of the Dead). The three cosmic levels- Earth, heaven, underworld- have been put in communication. As we just saw, this communication is something expressed through the image of a universal pillar, Axis Mundi.”, (The Sacred and Profane, page 36)"

*Had to look up hierophany; A hierophany is a manifestation of the sacred.
The word is a formation of the Greek adjective hieros (Greek: ἱερός; sacred/holy) and the verb phainein (φαίνειν; to reveal / to bring to light).


This is neat. They popped a hole in front of the Pantheon of the gods... in this earthly world's plane... through to the underworld... so all three worlds can be in communication.
Wild!

 

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The latest on the sinkhole;

Sinkhole opens near the Pantheon, revealing 2,000-year-old Roman paving stones

 

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The latest on the sinkhole;

Sinkhole opens near the Pantheon, revealing 2,000-year-old Roman paving stones

From the article:

Luckily, no one was hurt when the sinkhole collapsed on the afternoon of April 27, because the normally crowded piazza was empty due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Heh, interesting timing.

"This is further evidence of Rome's inestimable archaeological riches," Porro told ANSA.

When your city has a lengthy "official" recorded history, you can say stuff like this. Elsewhere, it just goes back down the memory hole.

Also, maybe I missed this in the earlier posts somewhere, but:

This find is actually a rediscovery: The slabs were first found in the 1990s, when service lines were being laid in the piazza, according to ANSA. The new sinkhole swallowed about 40 sanpietrini, or cobblestones, which fell into a service tunnel holding cables and pipelines, according to Roma Today.

"Should we maybe do something about this find, boss?"

"Nah, Rome's got enough old $%#*! Just throw the dirt back on it."

 

[Deleted member 37]

Just a few words about this speculations about Rome with the help of images. According to wiki and other various articles I've read the 'dirt' was removed with an entire district called Alessandrino since the client was Pope Pius V born in Alessandria (city in Liguria, italy). Here the description (Via Alessandrina - Wikipedia):

"The first modern urban planning in the area between the Forum of Nerva and the Trajan's Column took place around 1570 thanks to Cardinal Michele Bonelli. He arranged to reclaim the area and make it buildable and traced the street, called Alessandrina from his nickname. The street cut through the ancient Argiletum reaching the Temple of Peace (beyond today's Via Cavour).

The small, narrow streets of the district (Via Cremona, marking its border towards the Capitolium; Via Bonella, Via del Priorato, Via dei Carbonari, Piazza delle Chiavi d'Oro) formed the mesh of the building fabric that had grown continuously between the slopes of the Capitolium, the wall of Suburra and the Roman Forum. It consisted of modest houses, but also of prestigious buildings, such as the small palace of Sixtus IV (maybe the Ghislieri Palace), the Conservatory of Santa Eufemia, born as a convent of the Sperse di Sant'Eufemia next to a church dedicated to St. Urban and the palace of Flaminio Ponzio. The ground floors housed small businesses and artisan shops and in 1855 four taverns overlooked Via Alessandrina: one of them, called alle Colonnacce, stood among the remains of the Temple of Minerva."

Here below a comparison of how it looked before being demolished and nowadays.

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I don't really see 45-50 feet (13 to 15 meters roughly) removed. There was no 'hill' of that height, just palaces. Let me know if I need a new pair of glasses.

 

[Blackdiamond]

Just a few words about this speculations about Rome with the help of images. According to wiki and other various articles I've read the 'dirt' was removed with an entire district called Alessandrino since the client was Pope Pius V born in Alessandria (city in Liguria, italy). Here the description (Via Alessandrina - Wikipedia):

"The first modern urban planning in the area between the Forum of Nerva and the Trajan's Column took place around 1570 thanks to Cardinal Michele Bonelli. He arranged to reclaim the area and make it buildable and traced the street, called Alessandrina from his nickname. The street cut through the ancient Argiletum reaching the Temple of Peace (beyond today's Via Cavour).

The small, narrow streets of the district (Via Cremona, marking its border towards the Capitolium; Via Bonella, Via del Priorato, Via dei Carbonari, Piazza delle Chiavi d'Oro) formed the mesh of the building fabric that had grown continuously between the slopes of the Capitolium, the wall of Suburra and the Roman Forum. It consisted of modest houses, but also of prestigious buildings, such as the small palace of Sixtus IV (maybe the Ghislieri Palace), the Conservatory of Santa Eufemia, born as a convent of the Sperse di Sant'Eufemia next to a church dedicated to St. Urban and the palace of Flaminio Ponzio. The ground floors housed small businesses and artisan shops and in 1855 four taverns overlooked Via Alessandrina: one of them, called alle Colonnacce, stood among the remains of the Temple of Minerva."

Here below a comparison of how it looked before being demolished and nowadays.

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I don't really see 45-50 feet (13 to 15 meters roughly) removed. There was no 'hill' of that height, just palaces. Let me know if I need a new pair of glasses.

What do you mean?

 

[Deleted member 37]

I mean that the supposed mud flood so talked about in so many threads and which was supposedly removed by Mussolini didn't even exist. There was no 'hill' 13-15 meters tall to remove. All there was were houses and palaces built after 1570, as you can see from the picture on the left.

The only strata of dirt in Rome was that which covered the 'ancient' ruins and this doesn't require a particular investigation since everybody knows it. If one wants to say that the ruins were covered in mudflood it's an entire different thing.

 

[Blackdiamond]

I mean that the supposed mud flood so talked about in so many threads and which was supposedly removed by Mussolini didn't even exist. There was no 'hill' 13-15 meters tall to remove. All there was were houses and palaces built after 1570, as you can see from the picture on the left.

The only strata of dirt in Rome was that which covered the 'ancient' ruins and this doesn't require a particular investigation since everybody knows it. If one wants to say that the ruins were covered in mudflood it's an entire different thing.

Even bbc says it was covered.

 

[Deleted member 37]

Even bbc says it was covered.

Don't know what you are talking about. The OP talks about a non-existent 'hill' removed in the time of Mussolini 13-15 meters tall. That hill didn't exist, as you can see in the photo above on the left. Mussolini removed an entire district called Alessandrino and IF he removed some 'dirt', it was the one covering the 'ancient' ruins.
I think the BBC is talking about the ancient 'dirt' which was level at that time, not forming a hill.

 

[Blackdiamond]

Don't know what you are talking about. The OP talks about a non-existent 'hill' removed in the time of Mussolini 13-15 meters tall. That hill didn't exist, as you can see in the photo above on the left. Mussolini removed an entire district called Alessandrino and IF he removed some 'dirt', it was the one covering the 'ancient' ruins.
I think the BBC is talking about the ancient 'dirt' which was level at that time, not forming a hill.

Ah might be. Cant remember exactly. But i thought you were saying that rome wasnt buried. Which it absolutely was.