SH Archive Forget Sumeria. It's impossible to decipher an unknown language

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This is a Text by a german Linguist called Eduard Landmann, which has controversy Theorys about the real decryption of older languages. He is widly ignored by the establishment. Normaly this means , he are right ;-)
One of his claims is, no one can decrypt an unknown language, exept you have a rosetta stone.
He also has decrypte ..huhuhu , the mystical Voynich Manuscript, whitch is in real only "old high German" also called "theodiske spraha" (spraha = language)
As he says, its like in other science areas, you only need to implant a bogus method/theory, then teach it to students, and everything rolls from alone. Especially you only award the works that fit in your narrativ.

Forget Sumeria!
by Erhard Landmann translated by Joska Ramelow

The mishandling of clay tablets and the invention of the wedges for cuneiform scripture.​

Some years ago I received a letter from a rather irate gentlemen, who I had written to expressing my point that there never existed a Sumerian, Assyrian or Babylonian culture, thus, he totally misunderstood the point I was making and asked back in a manner close to outrage: "Do you mean to say that the many old style buildings (Ishtar Gate, Ziggurat of Ur) and the hundreds of thousands of cuneiform clay tablets never existed?'' Of course I did not assert that there were no ancient buildings or clay tablets even still uncovered to this day in the location of Mesopotamia between the two mighty rivers Euphrates and Tigris..

I just wanted to say that the cultures known today as 'Sumerian' or 'Babylonian' never existed together with the Sumerian and Assyrian language.
This is on the strength of my discovery that the clay tablets ended up totally wrongly handled, and thus, translated. This leads to a string of constant errors to the point of incomprehension and fabrication of stories mostly reflecting the flowery fantasy of the 'cuneiform expert' interpretors. Why?

As early as 1948 Alice Kober correctly noted deciphering an unknown font in an unknown language is impossible. It is simple logic that an unknown script of an unknown language never heard spoken, cannot be rendered properly, other than by hit and miss guesswork, subject to the imagination of the expert. When I asked one of these famous archaeologist decipherers, that an unknown language in an unknown writing cannot properly be deciphered he agreed, but pointed out that related languages that had been 'deciphered' were useful to help in the task of tackling this problem.

I inferred that the very 'deciphered' languages originally had suffered the same problem, he retorted that there were also 'third' and 'fourth' languages that had already been 'studied' that had yielded enough information to decipher the unknown script and language, obviously, not getting the point. So easy, and yet so illogical the challenge can be to even try to get answers to the first question from these gentlemen.

So if it is impossible to decipher an unknown script in an unknown language in first place and then simply to resort to a second, third or fourth unknown script in an unknown language which apparently had been "deciphered" (which, in my opinion, is an impossibility to the highest degree ) is trying to pot a square peg into a round hole. In consequence there are enough gullible people who believe that everything they are told in this world, whether it is in politics as well as on the campus of the pseudo-sciences.

Some years ago during the lectures to my book “worldpicture shuttering” , some people were adamant in denying that it would be impossible to decipher an unknown script in an unknown language. (and the most stubborn ones are often times the very ones who have actually studied the subject the least and, thus, do know but simply believe) I made the following suggestion to my audience: I wrote down some Japanese phrases in Kanji (Chinese characters) on the blackboard and asked the audience relax, take your time and try and guess what they mean. Then I asked two questions:

whether a) are they Japanese or Chinese sentences?

And b) how the characters would sound?

and c) what were the meaning of these phrases?

(The multiple interpretations and multiple tonalities of Kanji characters, sometimes triple, Four times, or even more , I did not even mention) Although I did not show an unknown script and language, but for the sake of the exercise it was unknown to the audience. None of the participants was in a position to even fathom anything close to resolving this issue. This exercise produced a stunned silence in the lecture hall, since even the most stubborn gainsayers recognized the inherent problem.

Incidentally, you can try this test for yourself at home when you are not conversant in either Japanese or Chinese language. The characters can today be found without big trouble everywhere on the internet. The gentlemen experts of cuneiform and "Sumerian experts'' will by all accounts remain unperturbed and retain their expert composure. It is more likely that the camp followers of Sitchin et. al., who may admit that many things are not quite right with the translations, they will be screaming outrage the loudest, after they have spooned up the nonsense in a re-interpreted 'ultimate' form. But when I accept nonsense for real and only add a new interpretation, then, according to simple mathematical arithmetic we arrive at ' nonsense squared by nonsense'. So, please check out and weigh my photographic evidence in the images provided below to arrive at your own conclusion.

The beautiful thing is that these images do not come from me, but from a professional standard teaching manual about the treatment (preparation) of clay tablets in preserving cuneiform writing. This volume was written by the very people who carry out this type of specialist treatment. Firstly, the clay tablets are being unearthed, unfired, encrusted with dirt and salts from the soil they were found in. Secondly the with encrusted materials are washed (!!) and brushed off. During this process the odd pieces get rubbed off or things simply break off (!!).

Figure 1 shows the very same clay tablets, at the top before, and below after treatment. The large plain areas on the tablets clearly indicate that a lot of data has been lost during he first phase of treatment. Subsequent to this the tablets in expert care are completely (Completely !!!) smeared over with a solidifying paste. This is shown in Figure 2a, 2b and 2c.

Then the tablets get fired the tablets get scratched free again, as shown in Figure 3.

Figure 4 shows a partially freed clay tablet on the surface of which (please check very closely), not a single "wedge" as such is visible. Certainly not the type of wedge we are suddenly treated to in Figure 5. Here the mirror image casts suddenly reveal
'sim sala bim' wondrous cuneiform wedges. These then are the basis for our expert decipherers to come up with the amazing script and language results they all discuss busily amongst themselves.

( For Figure 5, I had to consult another book, because the final products of the process containing the wedge shaped writings were not shown in the first book). You can view thousands of clay tablets, you will not find a single cuneiform wedge. The books, however, that are for reading the script are full of wedges, as are found in Figure 5.

Once you have established the self-created wedges and declared it to be a font, you can make up any system you like. (This is the same for the so-called Mayan calendar, where some hieroglyphs that one could not read were simply declared numbers and hey presto, we have found the "calendrical glyphs" of the Mayan culture. Albeit, there are clearly numbers as we know them today on the very same panel. It is the old
adage when a system is based on a lie to begin with then it's inherent logic becomes self propagating for a long time to come).

Having got that far you invent a "Writing system" for corresponding languages that never existed such as Sumerian, Assyrian, Hittite and so on. (By the way, at this juncture you may enter the bidding process if you want to strike it famous, Since you may enter Urukitian for the City of U-ruk or Bablebaeic or some such?). Likewise, is it not the case that with the Invention of the Sumerian, Assyrian, Hittite languages, the inventors considered the languages perfect, 'that stood the test of time' for decades and centuries and many students of respective 'cultures' found new words and phrases that were added to the canon of their respective 'expert field'. Also, if they could not agree amongst themselves and disputed other respective 'experts' insights and prevailed with their view after all, then their doctorates or professorships were gained as academic titles in the most meritorious and 'deserving' manner.

Let's take for example the case of the adepts of the Zecharia Sitchin myth of the
popular planet "Nibiru". I do not know whether there actually exists a planet, with the
defined properties attributed to this mysterious "planet"
To determine this would definitely be the responsibility of our Astronomers, although
I'm well aware, that our astronomers are not inclined to tell us all there is to know
from what they observe. But two things are certain: if there is such a
planet, none of the clay tablets ever related it's existence in any shape of form. It is
also certain that, 'whatever-it-is', has never been called Nibiru. Also the feeble minded
nonsense of the "Anunaki" (derived from "naked ancestor"?), unfortunately very
difficult to erase from the mindset of people. And by the way, the real truth about the
ancient cultures for the survival of mankind is by magnitudes more important as for
example he hysteria of global warming , which in the most nonsensical way makes us
believe that the 0.03% man-made rise of C02 so important for plant growth, is the
basic challenge to mankind.

....... (shortened by HengistErbse)

Good bye Marduk and Gilgamesh, adieu Enki and Enuma Elish, adiós Anunaki and
Ninurtam; bye bye, Nibiru and the fantastic nonsense in the 5th and 6th Potency,
good bye also patriarch Abraham.
Forget Sumeria! Forget Assyria, Babylon and Chaldea!
But do not forget the "ass from the Ur in Space ", do not forget the rushing to the
skies Bab, the "Bab ylon", do not forget the cold Ea, the "cold Galaxy Ur in space"

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Figure 2 a b c

Figure 3

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Figure 5

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[khaoz]

I heard a joke from the Freemasons that since they, the Germans, found these tablets, then let them now get out what they wrote there )))

It is worth remembering the British.
That in the mummy of Tutatnhamun they found traces of cocaine (!) And tobacco. That is, the versions can be divided into two camps. Or world Egypt, where they go to Latin America for cocaine.
Either the British caught a bum-Arab in an opium-salon and made a mummy out of him

 

[Ameth]

"When I asked one of these famous archaeologist decipherers, that an unknown language in an unknown writing cannot properly be deciphered he agreed, but pointed out that related languages that had been 'deciphered' were useful to help in the task of tackling this problem."

This is very true.
weirdly enough the written language i find most closely resembles the glyphs and cuneiform signs is modern day english.
because the sentence structure is rigid as are defined symbols and signs,
yet how the words and symbols are interpreted,
can have multiple meanings.
case in point is how legalese and english can be interwoven to assert authority.
Do you understand? Do you stand under me?
similarly visually the depiction of a mouth can determine anything which has a mouth, or it can determine speech, or an opening.
this is just one example of the same concept both english and glpyhs present to us.

I can only speak for myself,
but i have found cuneiform tablets extremely useful in regards to forming understanding of the past.
cuneiform vital in my learning to translate ancient dead languages.
this writing system is so precise and visually informing,
Words are shaped by its process,
through those defined lines and wedges words are composed,
words joined together by lines to denote combinations or sentance structures.
They present as being the simplex shorthand version of original pictographs and glpyhs which they represent,
we see the same occuring with hieroglyphs becoming demotic over time.
So too in the alphabet these letters formerly held symbolic statement now used simply as placeholders.

I took the experiences i had translating some of these tablets,
the words, these shapes and lines presented,
and applied their concepts to the egyptian hieroglpyhic writing system,
it really enabled me to see the glyphs more so than simply reading them via the grammars instruction.
Doing this completely unlocked their meaning.
some of these signs are so similar in the heiroglpyhic and cuneiform too.

Such Signs as,
Lugal and Kur. prevelant as Lord and Mountain/Underworld respectively really got me considering them visually as well as verbally.
it was Kur,
that really got me considering what the Underworld specifically was,
and why Kur would also mean mountain given its initial context.

combining the "Theogony of Dunnu" accounted in Eden by Anton Parks (discounting the space bias) essential reading.
and "the book of knowing the evolutions of Ra and of overthrowing apep" in legends of the egyptian gods by e. a. wallis budge (discounting the religious bias) essential reading.

I began to piece together two puzzles as two stories that were telling the very same tale.
and they actually began to fit together and became suggestive of one another.
when considered in a corresponding way.

So my advice,
for anyone who is interested,
Is dont discount cuneiform.
it is most definately the sexy egyptian hieroglyphs,
plain and perhaps ugly looking sister.
but shes got a beautiful vocabulary on her.

just take the translations given to you with a pinch of salt.
similarly so with the egyptian.

If anyone wishes I can present a list of links and helpful tools for working with cuneiform.

CDLI - British Museum results (tablets and drawings of tablets) looking at them gives you a real perspective you start to see common signs etc.

ePSD Digital Sign list
for example, at the bottom of the page in the search box, type kur,
this will help you find all the signs for kur look for the one suggesting mountain, it looks like three triangles.
good luck and I hope this helps someone.
Cheers.

 

[Quiahuitl]

"When I asked one of these famous archaeologist decipherers, that an unknown language in an unknown writing cannot properly be deciphered he agreed, but pointed out that related languages that had been 'deciphered' were useful to help in the task of tackling this problem."

In this thread, Dr Meyl argues that cuneiform was a signalling language like Morse code. He's advancing the argument that highly psychic people, working in an environment that supported those innate human abilities, transmitted complex information via a very simple set of codes... Which was then replaced by bell ringing once the original etheric network had broken down.

The class of people who transmitted and received the signals had no understanding of the content of those signals. A separate class of scribes had the knowledge to convert those signals into meaningful information. The scribes worked directly for the ruling classes.

 

[Ameth]

In this thread, Dr Meyl argues that cuneiform was a signalling language like Morse code. He's advancing the argument that highly psychic people, working in an environment that supported those innate human abilities, transmitted complex information via a very simple set of codes... Which was then replaced by bell ringing once the original etheric network had broken down.

The class of people who transmitted and received the signals had no understanding of the content of those signals. A separate class of scribes had the knowledge to convert those signals into meaningful information. The scribes worked directly for the ruling classes.

I read this suggested thread recently,
I found it to be a thorough and complete assessement of that theory,
but ultimately I found it to be lacking as a theory.
It is my understanding that temples and churches, as with all other ancient structures.
were built specifically for structural stability when under vertically applied duress and for no further reason.
that is to say, these structures were simply designed in the way they were to survive extreme periods,
Periods where the solid sky, or the area of inertia and its solar absent conditioning were in effect.
That these structures indicate structural design techniques supportive of this claim is visually indicative of this and nothing more.

In regards to radiowaves and radio transmission and their structural abilities in this regard,
these such things require adequate and complimentary shaped antennas to achieve.
These buildings are the absoulute opposite of the design requirements necessary to transmit or receive radio signals.
All those pointy vertical elements or domed and curved spaces,
are to aide in the break up of the vertically presented face of a structure,
Reducing the impact pressure exerted upon it from above.
Domes similarly are structural attempts to displace that pressure to the outers of the structure via natural lines,
that is to say via curved lines.
for example in capitol buildings as seen abundantly across the americas,
within the dome are usually design elements to increase the surface area boxes with patterns inside laid out equally around the dome in circles or patterns so too found inside triumphal arches,
the dome has a smooth outer surface area perhaps with vertical lines down the dome from center to edge.
but overall this vertical facing outter has less surface area than that of the patterned and increased inside.
this inner area when under solid sky conditioning,
creates a strength inside the dome as the solid elements grip these increased surface areas,
buoying and supporting that area in opposition to the external downward force.
that external vertical force is subsequently displaced from the external center of the dome,
to the outer edges of its circumference.
feel free to check out other examples of architecture and consider them in this way,
the temples in india conform to the same break up of vertical facing areas,
and the same increase in vertically attacking design elements, as gothic churches and cathedrals indicate.
greek temples conform to similar design elements as those seen in the roman built structures such as the capitol buildings we used in example.

as far as cuneiform being akin to morse code such a statement is absurd.
although visually it is as interesting to look at as morse code,
thus my reference of it being the ugly sister when compared to the egyptian glyphs.
the writing itself sign for sign,
and even just as the lines and wedges forming those signs.
tells a story pictographically much the same as the hieroglyphics do.
morse code on the other hand, is a letter by letter expresssion of a predefined pattern,
which is totally different and not visually apparent at all when viewing cuneiform.
perhaps i took this analogy to the extreme,
but i hope the statement and the comparison made is considerd fair,
there is ultimately no comparison and the statement meyl makes in this regard is unsupported.

Respectfully to Meyl highly psychic people, and such complex notions as those suggested,
are not required to achieve such things.

Symbolism achieves the transmission of complex information via the simplest mode and by the simplest imagery.
You dont need to be psychic, you dont need to be anything other than what you are now.
all you need to do is have a mind and be able to contemplate the meaning of a symbol.
Your mind and whatever that is, or is linked to does the rest.
We are all capable of this are we not?
as far as a transmission of information by this means,

freemasonry and as such the mysteries of egypt,
teach the reading of the hieroglpyhs or hidden symbols found in nature.
this is why they tell you that they have a religious book, but that you cant read it.
they see signs in nature such as i have shared with you here regarding ancient architecture,
they teach their initiates via symbolism and specifically the symbols found in the natural world.
no cuneiform morse code, no psychic powers,
just structured masonic tracing boards conforming to the same symbology.
each tracing board indicating the very same concepts or at least similar ones,
adjusting via degrees the image being brought into focus.
granting illumination to the initiates mind,
allowing them to see the ultimate symbol at the very end.
does that not sound exactly like the fanciful process meyl suggests?
only this method using symbolism is far simpler,
desire for comprehension of those symbols the only prerequisite for success.

I couldnt help but see you commented on the other thread in regards to scalar energy.
Iam attempting to understand field theory as part of my research, and in support of my theoretical work.
My go to in this regard is a guy named Ken Wheeler,
on youtube his account name is Theoria Apophasis.
He is a Genius, His understanding of field theory, magnetism, neoplatonism and ancient writings is unequalled.
He is worth watching if your interested in such areas.
Set his videos to half speed and write the content down as he speaks,
It has helped me so much doing that.
Just a suggestion feel free to ignore if your more capable of learning via verbal instruction than i am.

This was a particularly good video.
Light, Force and Magnetism explained
hope it helps.
Good luck.

 

[Quiahuitl]

It is my understanding that temples and churches, as with all other ancient structures.
were built specifically for structural stability when under vertically applied duress and for no further reason.

You've written an interesting post which deserves to be read carefully.

However I find the above statement baffling given that medieval churches have tall towers, spires, and steeples? If the only criterion was structural stability a low block house shape would be the norm, no?

 

[Ameth]

You've written an interesting post which deserves to be read carefully.

However I find the above statement baffling given that medieval churches have tall towers, spires, and steeples? If the only criterion was structural stability a low block house shape would be the norm, no?

Thank you for your response. totally understand where your coming from careful thought is always a necessity.

if the only criterion was structural stability a low block house shape would be sufficiently stable.
unless,
the force was being applied over a wide spread area,
specifically from above,
and it was put into effect by a dense volumetric mass,
as is posited in solid sky theory.
all of which is brought about via solar absence or the state of inertia being in effect.

this very question is what lead me to consider the entire area of the sky to be that volume of mass.
and those design elements on the structures we see,
as being the counter measures to such force and the pressures created by it.

The medieval structures
so i feel a distinction should be made,
medieval in my mind is a period, specifically the middle ages,
gothic is a structural example of a people.
much the same as roman is a structural architecture of the roman people.
greek of the greeks and so on and so forth.
im in no way shape or form an expert in regards to architecture.
i just view such labels as a necessary means by which to sort and order these structures and buildings.
so i will assume we are speaking about the same structures,
when you speak of medieval,
i will assume gothic architecture such as examples of cathedrals and churches etc.
if im wrong in this please correct me.

gothic architecture is vertically attacking.
by this i mean it is directly confrontational to the space above it.
it is designed to go up into the volumetric mass above it and remove any capabillity of forming a flat surface, or area by which pressure could be directly exerted onto the structure.
gothic structures tend to maintain a symmetry in their design so as to displace any pressure evenly down the structure and into the ground below in a mirrored manner usually but often in sections too such as a tower area a wing etc.
So fundamentally these forms of architecture are designed with durable stone as the material by which they are composed.
this affords them density and thus strength by which to counter act the force applied to them.
when locked in an inert state such stone is incredibly strong and maintains shape well.
however of the many ancient variants capable of negating this pressure,
it seems gothic (more so) and brahman temples (less so) due to their aggressive verticality develop weakness at the lower areas of the structure.
this weakness over time,
and during times of such pressurised conditioning,
have produced many examples of these stuctures failing in their attempts to overcome vertical force,
These failures are seen today as ruins.
in these examples the sheer force involved buckles the overall structure in a corner,
these weak points making the layout asymmetrical and putting them at the mercy of the force applied to them.

in towers we usually see openings by which to fill the internals of the structure solidly.
So too we see a symmetry in the placement of those openings,
as to not create a weakpoint while under duress.
usually in gothic architecture we see the highest point being the thinnest area of the structure,
and its base the widest area of the structure this intuitive design in any case.
also in tower design and upper areas of such structures,
we see this break up of the vertically facing flat surface areas,
this tends to look something like this apologies for the crudeness -> TUTUTUTUTUT or VVVVVVVVVV
this in the hopes of increasing the vertically applied surface area at the important corners and outerlines of the towers vertical face.

in regards to spires and steeples these are again to push up into the area above the building and to break up the solid sky,
doing so reduces the flat surface areas of these elements and the structure,
and thus prevents a meaningful area of either being available to exert force by or onto.
combining this with increased horizontal surface area,
through designs and patterns above door ways, arches and windowed areas,
these all when combined produces an increase in the chances of survivability for the structure.
some old churches also have variations of the pediment above door ways,
which is as you likely know, a greek/ roman method of producing strength above doorways,
important when under vertically applied force.

I hope this has been satisfactory as an explanation.
I would urge you to go view further examples,
and consider them as suggested.
when viewing their design elements,
their construction materials.
their symmetry.
how each example faces the sky above.
also look at the "mud-flooding" of their lower areas,
signs that a pressure and force have been applied to them.
You come to realise that all ancient structures have only one singular commonality
and that is this need to negate vertical pressure.

if you have any furher questions please let me know.
cheers.

 

[JimDuyer]

I got a good laugh out of the Morse code idea. The scribes were part of the priestly class - both worked in the same temple households and sometimes they held both jobs in one person. They had as many female scribes as male, in the earliest period. The time of the cuneiform period is much much different from the earliest pictographic period - both in style and in contents.

 

[greengrey]

hi,
this is so general that can be true and false at the same time:
"It's impossible to decipher an unknown language"

most of the times its true.

on planet earth, language spoken/made by humans:

a)you need the correct source, undamaged characters, to retrieve the meaning.
in the same way he had access to old german.
but that is based that someone knew old german. (unkown language for him, & known language for other one)

b)mayan-sumerian-chinese-aramaic-indian connection
the world was connected.

c)languages evolve by systems. understood by the brain. (waves)
if a "unknown" language is in a system, your brain can understand it.
there, the main differences between languages are:
cosmovision in numbers. like totemic animals as numbers.
the identity, ego & relations with others, verb to be.
how present, past and future are seen is included inside language.
collective conscious is included in the language.

in each system, languages are like tones, you move in a tone to shift language.

d) drawings, sculptures.
can be understood or not. like paintings in caves.
inclusive if their language was unknown.

e)living translators accessing (direct contact) people from "unknown language"
they create their translation tablet ( in the brain, paper,etc)
the "unknown" language is no longer unknown.

f)symbols from a language to represent a foreign language,
like spanish wrote with arabic symbols.
same practice happened in tartarian regions.

g)encoded symbols in same language.
for example, movie wargames, 1982.
is a buddhist film.
it is a popular & cult movie about codes and encryption
almost all hackers on the planet have seen that movie.

during 35 years no one saw the hidden message codes that the movie showed

something curious I realized years ago:
CPE1704TKS In the movie means SKY HOLIED SEE.
You have to look for the digital alarm clocks with radio from that era, and turn it upside down.
then you will understand / read the other codes in the movie.

it is plain english.
upside down coding.
easy. in plain sight.
but no one on the planet decoded it for 35 years.

I just remembered how were the alarm clocks/radio (linguistics: frame of reference), and decoded the codes in wargames ,1982 movie.

now, think about unknown languages & few linguists...

h) common practice.
lot of messages, are transmited ,broadcasted in film, series.
ones to"educate" the people (seeding and reinforcing an idea)
others with instructions for the operational people, staff, in field.( depopulation tasks, coordination, instructions, milestones, history, cyclic resets, etc)
it is language inside known language.
yes, people doesnt decipher that known language: english.


if you have a reference frame, or related language in a family system of language, you can decode a "unknown language" (or having a reference frame in your language for language inside language, or living access to that language or species, works too).

i)fake languages, poor symbols, guided "truth"
To impose a false truth.
fiction created...tales they made and told you.

j)pure symbols.
can remain unknown.
can be not understable if there is no reference frame, nor explanation, nor family of language.


if there is no reference frame, oops. its hard to do a translation.

 

[Ameth]

if you have a reference frame, or related language in a family system of language, you can decode a "unknown language" (or having a reference frame in your language for language inside language, or living access to that language or species, works too).

i)fake languages, poor symbols, guided "truth"
To impose a false truth.
fiction created...tales they made and told you.

j)pure symbols.
can remain unknown.
can be not understable if there is no reference frame, nor explanation, nor family of language.


if there is no reference frame, oops. its hard to do a translation.

your translation was awesome
theres a lot of truth in that.
thanks for saying this.
but what if that language you used had bias or differences in it that resulted in a flawed translation?
we see this so many times with the sumerian and akkadian translations.
sumerian to me is more of a pictographic language,
there are visual elements to it that cannot be ignored and have been by past translators.
similarly the akkadian reads more like our modern day alphabets and as such there are less pictographs presented in it.
Ancient Egytian Heiroglyphs and i think equally possibly the South American Mayan Glyphs,
indicate pictorially as much as they do alphabetically.
a middle ground of symbol and language.
there is an additional layer of context to them due to their symbolism and their language conveyance capabillities.

there are definitely fake languages and equally,
symbols intent on deception in this world.
the globe is everywhere on tv,
on peoples clothes as nasa logos,
and presented in schools to children all across the world.
you can't escape that visual symbol.
but yet there is no definitive evidence or actual photographs of it being a reality.
more so nature tells us it does not exist in its non movement as the ground.
in the visual indication that the sun does move above us in the sky.
yet this symbol and the training we recieve with it,
makes us reject those natural indicatiors.
and believe in the symbol depsite that lacking of evidence in nature.

A guy i watch alot is ken wheeler on youtube his channel is theoria apophasis
one of his mantras is does the center hold?
its such a wise concept and one i use constantly when determining truth and actualities.
if when you consider something,
elements at its core do not allign with what is demonstrable in reality
then ultimately the center does not hold.
if the opposite is true and support is given to a concept by what is demonstrable in reality
then the center does hold.

you speak of pure symbols and i have recently been reading morals and dogma,
I have been reading this book for what feels like a lifetime (since oct)
im about 70% of the way through.
i have recently got to a chapter where albert pike speaks of the gnostic understanding of numbers.
he goes through them as a gnostic discourse of the numbers 1 to 12
we are so used to numbers in the context of mathematics
and generally we are surrounded by them at all times there is a number somewhere around you.
yet we never really look at them as pictographs only as the numerical values we assign to them.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

when you look at the as pictographs (and developing ones) not numbers
immediately
(3 and 8), and (6 and 9)
stand out together
then theres,
2 and 7
5 on its side if mirrored and rotated looks like half of the greek omega symbol
so too 10 rotated anti clockwise and cut into two 5 symbols would look like the omega symbol.

1 is a line,
2 is a line with a half circle forming from it,
3 is a mirroring of the process in 2, but the same occuring from the otherside of the line as well.
8 is the mirroring of the process in 3 producing two connected full circles.
6 and 9 are mirrors of one another upper and lower.
what if 7 was meant to look like a 2 upside down?
if so then 7 and 2 would be mirrors of one another also.
and 10 is 1 combined with a 0, together the princple 1 and nothing or zero 0, and the process begins again.

my point being when you consider these numbers they have visual properties as well as numerical values
which means they have symbolism.
which means they mean something.
and speak of something.

i havent decided what i see yet.

i see field theory.
i see the model ive worked on.
i see a sun becoming two.
i see balance to them.
i see progression in them.
thats just me though.

A flat earther would see plains becoming hills and mudflooding happening,
an alien loving globe advocate would see a meteor and the earth and an impact of that meteor.
im sure you get the point.
symbolic interpretation needs a reference frame to correctly interpret such things.

That reference frame you spoke of is exactly what I am personally looking for.
all my research and efforts are in hopes of achieving and defining that viewpoint.
Things I know,
that its nature based.
because only the people of today are materialistic and nature ignorant,
and by that i dont mean like climate change and all that weaponized rubbish,
the ancients knew all the things we have forgotten,
and as such they knew how important this place earth is.
they knew the task we are all here to achieve,
the one none of us know anymore.
The only remnants of them and those concepts are the symbols they left behind
as the earth itself
the things upon it such as buildings and unnatural elements in the environment.
as the writings left to us specifically the ones with symbolism interwoven.
and as the art and music we have available to us.
i really think those elements are important too.
all these things combined and adjusted correctly should give the viewpoint required to see it all.
thats my theory anyway
but so far i feel one thats proving to yield fruit.
i hope you find yours too.
good luck.

 

[greengrey]

hi,

human brian associates concepts by qualities when naming things.
for example:
macro and micro.
saint and satan.
black and blanc.

that is where tartaria , tataria, and earth,terra, tierra,are very related. they identified themself with the earth, the ones on/from earth were the tartars.


tarot cards tell a story,
cards are numbered sequential, ascending,
each number has a metaphysics concept explained in the card.

hundred, a hound cares 100 sheeps..for that people, important animals included as number

greel alphabeth, is symetric, reflected in a mirror.

going to original sources, base language on that system , and reference frame, to try to get the original concept.

reflection is important
a view from above

but you can realize it from the below.
in the same way the peel of a fruit tells you the shape of the fruit.
it does not matter if you look the peel of the fruit from the outside or from the inside part... the peel tells you the shape of that fruit.

the peels from the inside are the clouds,...
inner peels: frozen lakes, urban megacities!


planet is named earth, earth,soil, land matters.
the rich own land.
promoting religion was a way to get land, (at least in africa)
land, earth, matters.

common practice over the same symbols
they replace the original concept with a fake one.
subsitution of ideas.
for example: christmas , santa claus.
in the movies now santa claus kills and looks for revenge.
idea which is far from christ and closer to satan.
christmas symbol replaced.

at least you know that all is fake.

the truth is not in the common path.

 

[Frostychud]

as far as cuneiform being akin to morse code such a statement is absurd.
although visually it is as interesting to look at as morse code,
thus my reference of it being the ugly sister when compared to the egyptian glyphs.
the writing itself sign for sign,
and even just as the lines and wedges forming those signs.
tells a story pictographically much the same as the hieroglyphics do.
morse code on the other hand, is a letter by letter expresssion of a predefined pattern,
which is totally different and not visually apparent at all when viewing cuneiform.
perhaps i took this analogy to the extreme,
but i hope the statement and the comparison made is considerd fair,
there is ultimately no comparison and the statement meyl makes in this regard is unsupported.

Hello, I wanted to make something clear. In my thread about Dr. Meyl and his theory that temples and churches are broadcasting and receiving stations for radio transmissions, I made the mistake of suggesting that cuneiform originated as a telegraphic language. That was my mistake, not Meyl's. He does not speculate on the origin of cuneiform, just suggests that it was used at some point to transcribe some kind of radio or perhaps scalar broadcasts. Cuneiform appears to have originated as a pictorial language. I do suspect, however, that phonetic alphabets, invented by the "Phoenicians", were connected with international commerce plus some form of telegraphic communication technology.

Respectfully to Meyl highly psychic people, and such complex notions as those suggested,
are not required to achieve such things.

Symbolism achieves the transmission of complex information via the simplest mode and by the simplest imagery.
You dont need to be psychic, you dont need to be anything other than what you are now.
all you need to do is have a mind and be able to contemplate the meaning of a symbol.
Your mind and whatever that is, or is linked to does the rest.
We are all capable of this are we not?
as far as a transmission of information by this means,

freemasonry and as such the mysteries of egypt,
teach the reading of the hieroglpyhs or hidden symbols found in nature.
this is why they tell you that they have a religious book, but that you cant read it.
they see signs in nature such as i have shared with you here regarding ancient architecture,
they teach their initiates via symbolism and specifically the symbols found in the natural world.
no cuneiform morse code, no psychic powers,
just structured masonic tracing boards conforming to the same symbology.
each tracing board indicating the very same concepts or at least similar ones,
adjusting via degrees the image being brought into focus.
granting illumination to the initiates mind,
allowing them to see the ultimate symbol at the very end.
does that not sound exactly like the fanciful process meyl suggests?
only this method using symbolism is far simpler,
desire for comprehension of those symbols the only prerequisite for success.

Here I would like to echo the other commenters who suggest that the enterprise of decoding ancient symbols is impossible. Etymologically, a symbol is a piece of clay broken in half at the conclusion of a contract. The two halves are then separated. When the contract is liquidated, the two halves of the "symbol" are put back together.

The Latin word derives from the Greek σύμβολον symbolon, from a verb meaning 'throw together, put together, compare,' alluding to the Classical practice of breaking a piece of ceramic in two and giving one half to the person who would receive a future message, and one half to the person who would send it: when the two fit perfectly together, the receiver could be sure that the messenger bearing it did indeed also carry a genuine message from the intended person.

We see here right away that the symbol has no transcendental meaning. It only has meaning inasmuch as it refers to a specific message that is superimposed onto the contingent fracture lines of a piece of ceramic. Symbols are meant to die once the two "halves" are put back together. There is no message inherent in the symbol!

I believe that symbols originate in dreams. The human unconscious is a symbol machine. It takes stories, memories, desires, fantasies, etc. and compresses them into symbols as we sleep. Just like the Greek broken ceramic, these symbols have no meaning in themselves. My snake means something different from your snake. They are living images that envelop a specific subjective truth for a moment, and then expire once that implicate truth becomes explicate. After they expire, there is no way to derive the original meaning from the images themselves, since the relationship between the two was always artificial. The symbol was never anything but an envelope.

You bring up the initiatory journey in which the initiate discovers deeper and deeper layers of meaning in the sacred symbol, until the moment when he arrives at the "ultimate symbol". I would argue that this is not a slow progress towards truth but on the contrary a dangerous form of hypnosis. How does a hypnotist operate? "You are sinking down...deeper and deeper...now even deeper..." In other words, he "traps" you in the fantasy that you are proceeding stage by stage towards...something. Towards what? His voice. By the end, you are simply his slave, because the voice you now hear in your head is his and not yours. You have internalized his false sense of progression. He has drawn a maze on the floor and convinced you that the only way to get from one side of the room to the other is by following the twists and turns he has painted. In reality all you have to do is walk across the room and kick the scumbag hypnotist in the balls. Take a masonic symbol, the ladder, the beehive, the coffin, whatever, and you will find a "deeper" interpretation at each level. My contention is that each and every one of these interpretations is completely contingent and corresponds to nothing more than a will to dominate and hypnotize on the part of the initiator. There is no depth here, just empty horizontal movement. Sean Hross interprets Masonic symbols this way. Their ultimate substance is nothing but the laughter of the masters as they exploit, drug, mind-control and sodomize the dupes who have been tricked into seeing some transcendental meaning there. I attended a series of lectures by a distinguished Rosicrucian, a kind and intelligent man, who had pushed the "ladder" logic to its extreme. He took a few symbols, the rose, the twins, etc. and revealed a few of their meanings. This guy had a phenomenal memory and appeared to believe that as one moved from the exoteric to the esoteric, symbol by symbol, one approached "enlightenment". For him, "it all made sense". I disagree. These symbols mean nothing in themselves. The supposedly deep and magical meanings can just as easily be expressed in plain language. It is precisely this plain language that is withheld from initiates until their brains have been washed and they are in thrall to their owners. Once this happens, the banal "translation" of the symbol into plain language is imbued with a mysticism whose last essence is nothing but submission and masochism. The ultimate secret in the holy of holies is the c*ck of the master in your *ss as he rapes you and makes you his zombi. Period. The only reason to hide knowledge is to exert power over others. The symbols that appear in heraldry or in alchemical texts are there to intimidate you, dominate you, and enslave you. Once you "see" some mystical meaning there, you are already lost.

The only symbols that can lead to any kind of spiritual enlightenment are your OWN symbols, the ones that spontaneously emerge from YOUR unconscious. And once you decipher them, they fall to the ground like dead leaves as new living symbols take their place. Once you die, the meaning of these symbols is lost forever. Masonic-type symbols conceal, at best, scientific, historical, or mathematical knowledge in coded form, but there is nothing magical or mystical about them. They are just highly concentrated mnemonic devices, nothing more. They have no life. Anyone who tries to tell you that there is some kind of spiritual component has probably got his eyes on your cornhole, and wants your soul. I read somewhere, I forget where, that the true meaning of "illumination" is the following. When an initiate is anally raped, and the penis of the rapist is angled upwards in a specific way, it hits a nerve at the base of the spine that causes the "initiate" to see a blinding flash of light. He dissociates, and is now the mind-controlled slave of his master. Is this true? I have no idea, but I suspect it is closer to the truth than the more mystical definitions of illumination.

On a completely different note, one that is a little closer to the original theme of the thread, Andrey Sklyarov suggests that Sumerian was the language that the "gods" used to communicate to the people, and Assyrian, or Akkadian, or whatever, was just the vernacular language used by the people to communicate with each other. They were the same people.

 

[Ameth]

Hello, I wanted to make something clear. In my thread about Dr. Meyl and his theory that temples and churches are broadcasting and receiving stations for radio transmissions, I made the mistake of suggesting that cuneiform originated as a telegraphic language. That was my mistake, not Meyl's. He does not speculate on the origin of cuneiform, just suggests that it was used at some point to transcribe some kind of radio or perhaps scalar broadcasts. Cuneiform appears to have originated as a pictorial language. I do suspect, however, that phonetic alphabets, invented by the "Phoenicians", were connected with international commerce plus some form of telegraphic communication technology.



Here I would like to echo the other commenters who suggest that the enterprise of decoding ancient symbols is impossible. Etymologically, a symbol is a piece of clay broken in half at the conclusion of a contract. The two halves are then separated. When the contract is liquidated, the two halves of the "symbol" are put back together.

The Latin word derives from the Greek σύμβολον symbolon, from a verb meaning 'throw together, put together, compare,' alluding to the Classical practice of breaking a piece of ceramic in two and giving one half to the person who would receive a future message, and one half to the person who would send it: when the two fit perfectly together, the receiver could be sure that the messenger bearing it did indeed also carry a genuine message from the intended person.

We see here right away that the symbol has no transcendental meaning. It only has meaning inasmuch as it refers to a specific message that is superimposed onto the contingent fracture lines of a piece of ceramic. Symbols are meant to die once the two "halves" are put back together. There is no message inherent in the symbol!

I believe that symbols originate in dreams. The human unconscious is a symbol machine. It takes stories, memories, desires, fantasies, etc. and compresses them into symbols as we sleep. Just like the Greek broken ceramic, these symbols have no meaning in themselves. My snake means something different from your snake. They are living images that envelop a specific subjective truth for a moment, and then expire once that implicate truth becomes explicate. After they expire, there is no way to derive the original meaning from the images themselves, since the relationship between the two was always artificial. The symbol was never anything but an envelope.

You bring up the initiatory journey in which the initiate discovers deeper and deeper layers of meaning in the sacred symbol, until the moment when he arrives at the "ultimate symbol". I would argue that this is not a slow progress towards truth but on the contrary a dangerous form of hypnosis. How does a hypnotist operate? "You are sinking down...deeper and deeper...now even deeper..." In other words, he "traps" you in the fantasy that you are proceeding stage by stage towards...something. Towards what? His voice. By the end, you are simply his slave, because the voice you now hear in your head is his and not yours. You have internalized his false sense of progression. He has drawn a maze on the floor and convinced you that the only way to get from one side of the room to the other is by following the twists and turns he has painted. In reality all you have to do is walk across the room and kick the scumbag hypnotist in the balls. Take a masonic symbol, the ladder, the beehive, the coffin, whatever, and you will find a "deeper" interpretation at each level. My contention is that each and every one of these interpretations is completely contingent and corresponds to nothing more than a will to dominate and hypnotize on the part of the initiator. There is no depth here, just empty horizontal movement. Sean Hross interprets Masonic symbols this way. Their ultimate substance is nothing but the laughter of the masters as they exploit, drug, mind-control and sodomize the dupes who have been tricked into seeing some transcendental meaning there. I attended a series of lectures by a distinguished Rosicrucian, a kind and intelligent man, who had pushed the "ladder" logic to its extreme. He took a few symbols, the rose, the twins, etc. and revealed a few of their meanings. This guy had a phenomenal memory and appeared to believe that as one moved from the exoteric to the esoteric, symbol by symbol, one approached "enlightenment". For him, "it all made sense". I disagree. These symbols mean nothing in themselves. The supposedly deep and magical meanings can just as easily be expressed in plain language. It is precisely this plain language that is withheld from initiates until their brains have been washed and they are in thrall to their owners. Once this happens, the banal "translation" of the symbol into plain language is imbued with a mysticism whose last essence is nothing but submission and masochism. The ultimate secret in the holy of holies is the c*ck of the master in your *ss as he rapes you and makes you his zombi. Period. The only reason to hide knowledge is to exert power over others. The symbols that appear in heraldry or in alchemical texts are there to intimidate you, dominate you, and enslave you. Once you "see" some mystical meaning there, you are already lost.

The only symbols that can lead to any kind of spiritual enlightenment are your OWN symbols, the ones that spontaneously emerge from YOUR unconscious. And once you decipher them, they fall to the ground like dead leaves as new living symbols take their place. Once you die, the meaning of these symbols is lost forever. Masonic-type symbols conceal, at best, scientific, historical, or mathematical knowledge in coded form, but there is nothing magical or mystical about them. They are just highly concentrated mnemonic devices, nothing more. They have no life. Anyone who tries to tell you that there is some kind of spiritual component has probably got his eyes on your cornhole, and wants your soul. I read somewhere, I forget where, that the true meaning of "illumination" is the following. When an initiate is anally raped, and the penis of the rapist is angled upwards in a specific way, it hits a nerve at the base of the spine that causes the "initiate" to see a blinding flash of light. He dissociates, and is now the mind-controlled slave of his master. Is this true? I have no idea, but I suspect it is closer to the truth than the more mystical definitions of illumination.

On a completely different note, one that is a little closer to the original theme of the thread, Andrey Sklyarov suggests that Sumerian was the language that the "gods" used to communicate to the people, and Assyrian, or Akkadian, or whatever, was just the vernacular language used by the people to communicate with each other. They were the same people.

I neither advocate for or against freemasonry. I see major defects in its design and in its layout. so too in its ability to do all the things you just described and to look away when those things are being done in the name of brotherly love and with the notion that they might get it right next lifetime. as stated in other posts here I find this to be profane. But that there is meaning in symbolism from my perspective is undeniable. that there are hidden depths to such things and that this entire place is composed of such things is undeniable and if someone were to believe otherwise, then my perspective would be that they were either intentionally ignorant of that due to a bias, such as fear of getting their corn hole stuffed, or they were misconceiving what they were seeing because they lacked the necessary context required to form a full understanding of that thing which would likely be brought about third party and externally through a form or combination of indoctinration and or deception.
for example you speak of σύμβολον and everything you say in this regard is true. but you fail to grasp that what these specific forms of symbolism actually relate to is ἱερογλυφικός hierogluphikós, which when broken down to mean ἱερός hieros as sacred or holy and then combined with, γλυφή gluphḗ meaning carved work. gives the required context to see that they do have a significant meaning and a sacred context which all denotes a symbolism of some form or kind.
Similarly you speak of Scalar and Radio waves but scalar energy is an endless compression where there is no transverse electrical magnetic this is not condusive with any form of transmission. radio transmission requires frequency attenuation and modulation of the signal. these are not present in telegraphic language and as such any conveyance in a cuneiform form using any such language format would be incredibly lacking in this regard. more sensible would be to convey these elements orally where one could adjust and attenuate pitch and vocal tone to convey that required context a written example would lack. this would afford it a far better transmissibility.

in regards to symbology in matter and similarly in dreams, it would be insensible of me to attempt to persuade you of something you clearly have a formed and unyielding opinion of. I would draw your attention however to the fact you dismissed symbolism initially in your first argument and yet conveyed that it is in fact an envelope of something in the second. To be an envelope it would necessitatively require something to be placed inside it. For that to occur it would need to indicate the meaning of that thing or conceal the meaning of that thing. Which it either conceals or forms within itself. this is suggestive of a symbolic nature and representation.

As stated the gods in all their forms are but mechanisms of a system in which we dwell and go no further than that. Ironically they as their images and literary projections, are deified symbols of these elements and of the actions and interactions performed within the material world. horus, thor, soloman, osiris, hiram abiff, helios. are all symbolic variations of the very same element within this world.

To close I appreciate and accept your truth in regards to symbols and those who perceive them. I see the personal logic in what you say and it is true that such things can be misinterpreted easily and any conclusions formed by those interpretations can then set in motion a chain of events that result in both gross ignorance and mass deception. Sincerely I feel we are already living in that environment. that we have so little true understanding of anything in matter is an indicator of this. that we possess no real defining and provable concepts of what we are or what we consist of speaks to this too. I appreciate your stance on symbolism but from my perspective the hieroglyphic's of the earth are the only defining elements we have by which to make any meaningful account of what is going on here, what has happened in the past and what is to happen in the future. and we can only read that natural book via the interpretation of its symbols. that a seemingly nefarious element covets and hoards the full knowledge of how to do this speaks volumes of both our ignorance in this regard and their fear of sharing such abilitiy. Again I feel this supports the notion that it is the key to forming a full comprehension of what is going on here. I will non the less cover my bunghole when wandering the masonic maze at night lest the masonic master minotaur rises its horns to my corn-hole unawares. I jest of course.

just in closing I highly recommend the youtube channel theoria apophasis if you are looking to understand field theory and radio/ scalar etc. he affords a Russellian comprehension of it but gives it his advanced understandings of magnetism too. he really does produce the best determination of such concepts, dare I say his definitions are on par with big daddy tesla himself. it takes a while to penetrate the terminology he uses but he is incredibly insightful and is also correct in his assertions made regarding nature, magnetism, light and the dielectric.
cheers.

 

[Frostychud]

Hello Ameth, first of all, let me thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment.

I neither advocate for or against freemasonry.

Let me be clear, I have no firsthand knowledge of what happens in a Masonic lodge, and did not mean to focus of Freemasonry as such, but rather on the general practice of interpreting occult symbols metaphorically.

But that there is meaning in symbolism from my perspective is undeniable. that there are hidden depths to such things and that this entire place is composed of such things is undeniable and if someone were to believe otherwise, then my perspective would be that they were either intentionally ignorant of that due to a bias, such as fear of getting their corn hole stuffed, or they were misconceiving what they were seeing because they lacked the necessary context required to form a full understanding of that thing which would likely be brought about third party and externally through a form or combination of indoctinration and or deception.

I don't disagree with you. I too believe that these weird old symbols conceal depths and mysteries. I just think that a certain mode of interpreting them, namely the metaphoric mode that is promulgated by occultists, in which something represents something else because of some conceptual correspondence, is a dead end. For example, I just read, in the thread on knights and their armor, that snakes symbolized the soul in Ancient Greece, because these creatures move without limbs, exactly like the soul. In my opinion, equivalencies of this type are too easy. You can make anything stand in for anything else this way. I do not believe that any of these ancient symbols that we see follow this logic. I think they are much more literal, and that the only hope we have of understanding them is taking them very literally. These metaphors are too abstract. As a psychoanalyst who spends his days listening to dream symbols and attempting to unravel them, the deepest layers are always surprisingly concrete and literal. Abstract interpretations of the type "snake = soul" or "phallus = fertility" rarely lead anywhere. Another example would be the eight-pointed star and the crescent moon, which often appear together. The Saturnian Cosmology people think that this is what Saturn looked like when it was hanging directly over the North Pole. Only later, after the planetary alignment changed, did the crescent and star symbols separate and begin to take on more abstract meanings. I don't know if Saturn was really our Sun or not at some point, but I suspect that the deepest symbols are born this way. I don't know if centaurs really existed or not, but we almost have to assume they did, because any attempt to unravel the centaur symbol metaphorically will just lead us on a wild goose chase from one image to another with no end in sight.

As stated the gods in all their forms are but mechanisms of a system in which we dwell and go no further than that. Ironically they as their images and literary projections, are deified symbols of these elements and of the actions and interactions performed within the material world. horus, thor, soloman, osiris, hiram abiff, helios. are all symbolic variations of the very same element within this world.

Let me state clearly that I do not claim to know for sure what any of these symbols mean. In my experience, the only symbols that mean anything to us are our own. When I look at old paintings or heraldic crests or alchemical illustrations or flags I feel nothing. The symbols do not grab me in any direct way. Only the symbols we encounter in our dreams have this power. I may find the painting fascinating for purely aesthetic reasons, and I am of course curious to know why the hell there are so many sculptures of man-snake chimeras in these old Etruscan villages, but the symbol does not transmit any kind of resonance to me. Perhaps for others it's different. The standard explanation for the ubiquity of certain images is that they "resonated" with the people, in other words, that they spontaneously captured some collective experience. Everyone witnessed the miracle mystery of the spring bloom, and the Green Man holding his phallic tree emerged as a unifying symbol of this collective experience. I don't buy it for a few reasons. First of all, the unconscious is singular in nature. If ten people dream about the spring bloom, you will get ten different symbols, all of which will be filtered through the specific, unique symbology of the dreamer. Let's say one of these people dreams of the Green Man. The nine other dreamers will not rally around this symbol. The Green Man symbol will be meaningless to them. It will not "survive" for thousands of years. Second of all, no one dreams about springtime. They dream about more prosaic individual desires. The perennity of these ancient symbols has to be explained in a different way. As part of my hermeneutics of paranoia, I always privilege the hypothesis that things happen because someone with power wants them to happen. Everything comes from the top of the pyramid. Following this logic, all these symbols persist over time because they belong to someone with power. Whatever their origins may be, today they function as empty stand-ins for power as such. Maybe the people with power today know what these symbols originally meant, or maybe not, but they know how to use them to dominate us, and that is the most important thing. Power, by its nature, is not interested in metaphors or symbols. Only people with open minds and open hearts care about poetry. Power is materialism. Power is anal rape. Power is money. Power is hypnosis. Power is narcissism. People with power recognize nothing greater than themselves. They could give two fucks about some symbol. And I suspect that the world has always been run by people who think this way.

In other words, there are, to my mind, two possible explanations for the ubiquity of any given symbol. First, the symbol is a literal representation of something that everyone actually saw: Venus with its coma of long hair, for example. Second, the symbol was adopted by a powerful family at some point, for whatever reason, and is thereafter plastered everywhere as a naked reminder to the slaves that they are property. Metaphorical explanations are later fabricated to make it look like the symbols are organic, beautiful, magical, spontaneously unifying products of the collective. Without power and money behind any given symbol, it would quickly disappear. This makes me think of the hermaphrodite symbol and the weird practice of "Elite Gender Inversion". I think this is real. I once believed that the hermaphrodite symbol had some solemn, ancient religious signification and that crypto-trannies like Michelle Obama, Brigitte Macron, or Melinda Gates were high priests of an occult religion. Now I think that they are just a bunch of perverts addicted to mockery and anal sex. Or rather, this is all their religion is, deep down. Our screens are now full of living Baphomets ("transgenders") for the simple reason that the people with money and power who script the hologram want to destroy our minds and bodies, and this is a particularly funny way to degrade and humiliate us, just like they think it's funny to order a million soldiers to run directly into machine gun fire in the Battle of Verdun, just like they think it's funny to see people walking around in masks and visors, terrified of the air.

I appreciate your stance on symbolism but from my perspective the hieroglyphic's of the earth are the only defining elements we have by which to make any meaningful account of what is going on here, what has happened in the past and what is to happen in the future. and we can only read that natural book via the interpretation of its symbols. that a seemingly nefarious element covets and hoards the full knowledge of how to do this speaks volumes of both our ignorance in this regard and their fear of sharing such abilitiy.

I agree with this.

just in closing I highly recommend the youtube channel theoria apophasis if you are looking to understand field theory and radio/ scalar etc. he affords a Russellian comprehension of it but gives it his advanced understandings of magnetism too. he really does produce the best determination of such concepts, dare I say his definitions are on par with big daddy tesla himself. it takes a while to penetrate the terminology he uses but he is incredibly insightful and is also correct in his assertions made regarding nature, magnetism, light and the dielectric.
cheers.

I have watched a number of Ken Wheeler's videos and always come away with a bad taste in my mouth. It would not be complicated for him to explain his ideas in plain language, but he refuses to do so. He is addicted to jargon and appears to take pleasure in dominating the audience with his code language. He appears to be an authentic autistic freak, so it is possible that he cannot speak or think in any other way. In fact I suspect this to be the case. To his credit his ideas do appear to have merit, but I am highly suspicious, perhaps too suspicious, of anyone who engages in any form of guru pedagogy. I watched the "simple explanation" video you posted elsewhere and the guy just cannot control himself. "Magnetism is the force in motion fundamental extrapolative vector loss of energy or inertia - the dielectric, which is a three-dimensional curve linear force vector." To speak like this is to my mind a form of mockery. I am highly interested in his ideas, but I need them to be explained more clearly. Does he have any followers or students who do this?

 

[Ameth]

Hello Ameth, first of all, let me thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment.
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Greetings to you as well on this fine evening,
I think we both feel the same way in regards to freemasonry it is an entity that has many faces and sides and as such it should be quite rightly treated with a healthy amount of cynicism, in regards to their true agendas and motives. as stated my personal opinion of what they do as a reinterpretation or modernization of the mystery religions of ancient Egypt is deplorable in certain elements and commendable in others. namely that which is commendable is their methodology of teaching. by teaching in this manner all their participants or initiates form the same interpretations for themselves but under a guided experience using the same tracing boards composed of the same symbols. perhaps you are right and a degree (pun intended) of hypnotic suggestion might be at play but generally I think for the most part it is purely of an art and action to unlocking the interpretive nature of the mind.

I will be honest I don't think these symbols hold to any meaningful amount of depth they are supposed to be simple. everything you have described is also my pet hate. Over several generations layer upon layer of cacked on bullshit has been applied to these symbols by those wishing to define it a little better than the last or those wishing to conceal their meaning. whatever the added context may have been, it has removed the clarity and simplicity of these symbols and this has gone hand in hand with our lack of knowledge and forgetting of what the earth precisely is. Every single significant symbol I have found indicates the same base thing repeatedly across many different ages. So too with the mythologies of the Egyptians, the Greek's, and the Norse. it is one story told over and over again with variation applied by each new accounting of it.
I came at this all from the other side. I never sought symbology as an answer or as a defining statement to produce from. I have only ever looked to support that which I had initially already uncovered, that being my determinations taken from the natural world of what the Earth really is and the mechanisms it is presented and represented by. similarly looking at the role it plays in the grander system that area resides within. this lead me initially to trying to understand cuneiform and hieroglyphic's. I have learnt to read both at least functionally but in doing so I formed the conclusion that the people who have translated these texts in the past are fools or worse have adjusted their translations to bury something. That something is the presence of a symbolic layer to these writings. It can read like a document letter by letter, but it can also be read like the pictures in a picture book. it has an additional layer of context applied by the symbols used and used with one another. At this point I had no idea about freemasonry, Hermetics Alchemy and the like. simply that which is occult. I was simply trying to understand this extra layer presented in the cuneiform tablet monographs, and the transliterated Egyptian texts of the books I had purchased. Anton parks Eden presented me with the first clues of what became this theory I've presented, discounting his conclusive notions but looking specifically at the Sumerian translations he had documented. I saw this indicator of a pattern, the pattern I was about to reveal. Then I looked to the Egyptians and in reading their hieroglyphic writings and most importantly looking at their images on the walls of temples and on the pages of papyri like the book of the dead. I saw animals everywhere and nature and I realized this is the key and context to understanding this ancient people. so I looked at the symbols and considered them in this fashion. beetles in nature dig and roll balls and they have certain shapes and patterns in their design so I considered all these elements and used that to determine what this glyph could mean with these traits in mind. then noticing that this glyph was positioned with the glyphs of mouth I then considered these from this same kind of perspective a mouth of a face? no that's not it. The mouth from a natural perspective would be a cave or a tunnel and that two mouths were indicated as glyphs made me consider a tunnel. Having both an entrance and an exit. and this process went on and finally I came to animals like the hawk/falcon of Horus. the hawk or falcon in nature can fly as all birds fly but it has two distinct modes of flight. It encircles, and it also flies in a desired direction. This immediately made sense to me because my initial design for this place we dwell upon, the sun of that model moved in this fashion it encircled this area as the 24hr period but it also moved in a larger way around the full plane of earth moving over new areas of it leaving old areas behind. So these symbols were supporting the very concepts I had theorized would occur but in animal form. The cuneiform had similar indicators more so in relation to the earth being the lower of a dual sided plane Kur the term for mountain and underworld had the same meaning, and so too with other symbols indicating tunnels and passageways depicted in a very similar style and manner to the hieroglyphic depictions of such things. So too the bible specifically the book of Moses, now Genesis. if you read it considering the earth to be the lower of a dual sided plane it reads in support of this. heaven above is a term constantly used in the bible yet we always due to our taught bias think of heaven as the sky. if you are on a downward facing plane heaven is below your feet. So this again also indicated concepts I had found prior to knowing these writings or symbols or anything at all really. All I had initially conceived of and conceptualized came from the desire to understand mud flooding. developing the idea that the sky had forced ancient buildings into the ground over time and that this effect had to be attributable to the sky becoming solid. which in turn would necessitate it being "frozen" this progressed to the concept of it being inert and thus a deadweight upon those structures. From that I used imagination and reason to consider how that would play out as a larger model. rendered it in mind and produced the theory by which I measured all these latter insights. This lead me to ken wheeler, I appreciate what you say in regards to his application of teaching, he is not the most able at conveying topics. But undoubtably his concept of what magnetism is, is fundamentally correct. I know it is because I have used it to understand this system I'm being presented with, and it allows me insight into how it works from a field theory perspective. again all these elements simply fitting together and from entirely unconnected and random places. perhaps at this point you will be skeptical and say, well your looking for signs and symbols and I appreciate that we do always eventually find what we seek for. but that its occurring in so many places and in so many random ways and topics, I find it extremely bizarre and feel compelled to ask at what point does it become more than coincidence? So with ken I learnt field theory (I'm not the greatest at it) but did so to the best of my ability so I could ask him questions to further my understanding of it. he seldom replies and in all honesty I don't think he likes my concepts or my correspondences generally. But regardless I see the value in his presented concepts and the topics he produces work for. I applied his refined concept of magnetism to the sun and how it presented through its motions and realized it is the macro of what ken wheeler is calling the three dimensional force vector or the hyperboloid (8 shape) and the torus (donut shape). the suns point torques around our area of inhabitation or our area of existence, around a non spacial point the zero or null point at the very center of the upper and lower planes. on the other side of that zero point (plane of inertia) is a counterspacial point which is either exactly the same as our sun or it is exactly the opposite. By opposite I mean instead of producing lights attributions to the material sphere as our sun does. it would perform the opposite role and conditioning removing such attribution like a light hoover. this is theoretical, I am more inclined to believe it is like the sun exactly as the sun is but simply its sister. (in the myths it is its sister and mother in Isis,) the sun on our side of that divided plane being Osiris when positioned at center and becoming Horus when in motion around its area of solar effect and also as this areas motion around the full plane too. Again as you see these elements both ancient and modern, fitted together seamlessly, it was as ken has said repeatedly all nature is simplex pressure mediation. everything definable in matter, is because of this central null point a point of nothingness where these two "suns" have been pulled apart from. All that resides between these two "suns" as if the poles of magnet, is in motion, light and life. outside of that area is of inertia and of energy as potential but not as an active component only as potential it is also of darkness. again ken does say all of this but he never makes it clear what is meant by these terms. it took me writing down his videos at half speed to really grasp the concepts presented in his videos. With this understanding I then moved back to the ancient documents to find further evidence of this system and these active components and mechanisms at work. morals and dogma by albert pike has several references to it. I have written an account of Zep Tepi or the first time in the Egyptian of what happened with the sun and its inception into this planes sky. by this I mean the sun of the earthly plane is not natural it was placed into this hemisphere and upon this plane as an artificial measure to remove inertia and the negative principle which is its natural state. this is why we age and die the sun gives light and life but not everlasting and sustainable light which is the kind it produced during the time where it was central and seen to be Osiris. last night I finished a chapter of morals and dogma and it was speaking of the kabbalah specifically of yod the Hebrew letter. In this chapter it was detailing as yod the exact things and actions which I had written the sun to be perform during zep tepi again all documented in my thread on solid sky. the book spoke of it decent into the underworld of its union with i forget the other Hebrew letter but it was compatible with the concept of Isis as a sister sun. it spoke of the initial state of the two planes of a wife and husband but she did not face him which was representative of the light being wholly in heavens hemisphere and darkness being wholly in earths until the adjustment was made and the two counterspacial suns were formed as we detailed earlier across the planes. Even the masonic allegory regarding Hiram Abiff is in regards to the first time, as Solomon's temple where its master builder (Osiris as the sun) goes to three exits gets attacked, killed and then looses the secret that built the temple being buried outside of that temple. it speaks to the conclusion of the story of zep tepi. Osiris as the sun is flung off into the plane from this central paradise, this allows the inert solid sky back into this location, retaking the earthly hemisphere as Apophis/sets victory over Osiris. Heavens side use Isis the other sun to search for him/it. she finds his parts in the story and in real life using some variation of magnetism reconnects the sun as a counterspacial point once again. in doing so produces Horus. Crucially with a piece missing his member. or that which penetrates into Isis the other sun and lights full capabilities into this material sphere. this part of the story made me think about what occurs during eclipses and how they look when full, like a dark member penetrating the sun as if a vagina. the sun being Horus presently only a shadow is produced but when these two points overlap counterspacially and when they are both positioned at the center of the full realm in a stationary manner. An Osirian alignment will occur once again. this is Osiris/Hiram being resurrected in the stories once again. In the masonic allegory at this point the word is found and the temple can be rebuilt again the word to masons is the light produced from Osiris and not as it presently is as Horus. I hope your grasping the overlapping themes presented in these stories. the Greek also have the same concepts with the same characters just with Greek variations to them. So at this point as stated Hiram abiffs allegory comes up and I see that pattern in that story once again. this leads me to look further into the symbols of masonry and here I am telling you in the middle of that process. I'm still looking into those symbols and the occult writings produced but so far they are repeatedly indicative of this very same underlying model and system and the processes of it. you mention the Baphomet and I agree they have basterdised these symbols and corrupted them with their tainted concepts and filthy perversions. but these symbols at their base level still say the same thing as when they were first conceived. look at the hands of the Baphomet the hands point to moons I believe. the moons are mirrored as if separated by a dual sided plane and they are counterspacial one upper left the other lower right. the caduceus at the center as a belt is speaking of the three dimensional force vector formed of natural curved lines (again a statement constantly made by ken wheeler) the star on its head is the star of Solomon the temple of which we just described as being this place we live in. that it has a rams head is similar to the headdresses in Egyptian imagery with the horns being the inert area displaced by the sun, the sun disc in the Egyptian images is usually atop and in the center of that horned spread and this is what we see in the Baphomet image. We see the seal of Solomon again with Solomon being the sun and a representative of that sun disc in the Egyptian imagery. that it is perverted today is beyond doubt and I believe this is by the design of those who do not wish us to remember its true meaning. but that it represents the things I have suggested is true. also that it is suggestive of this overarching system or model I'm finding everywhere is yet truer still. I don't expect to convince you of all these things in one essay I honestly wouldn't want to. I have come to the realization that this is something you can only find for yourself but to follow the path I've just detailed requires no oaths and obligations only the time to search countless archives and documents lol your welcome to check my statements should you wish and should you not I respect that also.
this was a monster write up for one sitting, I hope I conveyed the things I have tried to properly. if I have not I apologize. as stated I've found signs or indications of this now in nature, field theory, the ancient texts, the religious texts, the orphic hymns the rig veda, the rig veda americanus and even in the forms and designs of all standing and ruinous ancient architectures. I have undertaken the beginnings of trying to learn Mayan hieroglyph's in the hopes of analyzing these further but again even in the initial stages reading the chiliam balam of chumayel and the like, I'm seeing the same signs and descriptions of the same events and mechanisms I'm also seeing indications in their architecture too.
In regards to ken's videos just to reiterate, I advise watching them at half speed whilst writing them down in full. then reading your writing after and skipping around the video in real time for relative sections. it really helps me. also find videos where he uses props like the chalkboard, he draws the incomplete and complete light circuit and references it in regards to magnetism as well. that was a big help and breakthrough video for me in regards to my field theory understandings. aside from that the practical videos where he demonstrates the centipedal and centrifugal lines under a Ferrocell are great for understanding both the natural lines and also how the magnet indicates this null point I referenced as being at the center of our dual sided plane. looking at the magnet under a Ferrocell imagine the black spot to be that central point of our realm and the poles either side to be the counterspacial cartesian values forming the curvilinear but in the suns case its a torquing one and in the magnets case its a fixed one at each end of the magnet. i hope this helps you it took me a while to get a grip with it but its worth it. also Walter Russell's the universal one really helped me too. i wish you all the best.
cheers.

 

[Quiahuitl]

cheers.

Thanks to Ameth for a well thought out post. I have taken the liberty of putting it into paragraphs to make it easier to read. Could Ameth please let me know if I have / have not done justice to it?

There's some very deep stuff in Ameth's posts. I am especially interested in the ideas about Osiris (Which I assume is identical with Orion) being a former Sun? I hope to respond to some of these posts at some point in time, very interesting stuff.

Also the ideas about the invention of a phonetic alphabet and how that would affect the way people think is very deep stuff. It seems to me if people had been used to symbolic language that exactly mirrored their day to day experience and the entire culture in which they lived (Prior to the invention of phonetics); and then the phonetic alphabet came into existence, it would have the effect of breaking down the connection between people and the environment they lived in, and create far more separation in the human mind. So that would enable the phonetic thinkers to manipulate and exploit more, because they would perceive themselves as outside of reality looking at it abstractly.

Ameth's post

I think we both feel the same way in regards to freemasonry it is an entity that has many faces and sides and as such it should be quite rightly treated with a healthy amount of cynicism, in regards to their true agendas and motives. as stated my personal opinion of what they do as a reinterpretation or modernization of the mystery religions of ancient Egypt is deplorable in certain elements and commendable in others. namely that which is commendable is their methodology of teaching.

By teaching in this manner all their participants or initiates form the same interpretations for themselves but under a guided experience using the same tracing boards composed of the same symbols. perhaps you are right and a degree (pun intended) of hypnotic suggestion might be at play but generally I think for the most part it is purely of an art and action to unlocking the interpretive nature of the mind.

I will be honest I don't think these symbols hold to any meaningful amount of depth they are supposed to be simple. everything you have described is also my pet hate. Over several generations layer upon layer of cacked on bullshit has been applied to these symbols by those wishing to define it a little better than the last or those wishing to conceal their meaning. whatever the added context may have been, it has removed the clarity and simplicity of these symbols and this has gone hand in hand with our lack of knowledge and forgetting of what the earth precisely is.

Every single significant symbol I have found indicates the same base thing repeatedly across many different ages. So too with the mythologies of the Egyptians, the Greek's, and the Norse. it is one story told over and over again with variation applied by each new accounting of it.

I came at this all from the other side. I never sought symbology as an answer or as a defining statement to produce from. I have only ever looked to support that which I had initially already uncovered, that being my determinations taken from the natural world of what the Earth really is and the mechanisms it is presented and represented by. similarly looking at the role it plays in the grander system that area resides within. this lead me initially to trying to understand cuneiform and hieroglyphic's. I have learnt to read both at least functionally but in doing so I formed the conclusion that the people who have translated these texts in the past are fools or worse have adjusted their translations to bury something.

That something is the presence of a symbolic layer to these writings. It can read like a document letter by letter, but it can also be read like the pictures in a picture book. it has an additional layer of context applied by the symbols used and used with one another. At this point I had no idea about freemasonry, Hermetics Alchemy and the like. simply that which is occult. I was simply trying to understand this extra layer presented in the cuneiform tablet monographs, and the transliterated Egyptian texts of the books I had purchased.

Anton parks Eden presented me with the first clues of what became this theory I've presented, discounting his conclusive notions but looking specifically at the Sumerian translations he had documented. I saw this indicator of a pattern, the pattern I was about to reveal. Then I looked to the Egyptians and in reading their hieroglyphic writings and most importantly looking at their images on the walls of temples and on the pages of papyri like the book of the dead.

I saw animals everywhere and nature and I realized this is the key and context to understanding this ancient people. so I looked at the symbols and considered them in this fashion. beetles in nature dig and roll balls and they have certain shapes and patterns in their design so I considered all these elements and used that to determine what this glyph could mean with these traits in mind. then noticing that this glyph was positioned with the glyphs of mouth I then considered these from this same kind of perspective a mouth of a face? no that's not it.

The mouth from a natural perspective would be a cave or a tunnel and that two mouths were indicated as glyphs made me consider a tunnel. Having both an entrance and an exit. and this process went on and finally I came to animals like the hawk/falcon of Horus. the hawk or falcon in nature can fly as all birds fly but it has two distinct modes of flight. It encircles, and it also flies in a desired direction.

This immediately made sense to me because my initial design for this place we dwell upon, the sun of that model moved in this fashion it encircled this area as the 24hr period but it also moved in a larger way around the full plane of earth moving over new areas of it leaving old areas behind. So these symbols were supporting the very concepts I had theorized would occur but in animal form. The cuneiform had similar indicators more so in relation to the earth being the lower of a dual sided plane Kur the term for mountain and underworld had the same meaning, and so too with other symbols indicating tunnels and passageways depicted in a very similar style and manner to the hieroglyphic depictions of such things. So too the bible specifically the book of Moses, now Genesis.

If you read it considering the earth to be the lower of a dual sided plane it reads in support of this. heaven above is a term constantly used in the bible yet we always due to our taught bias think of heaven as the sky. if you are on a downward facing plane heaven is below your feet.

So this again also indicated concepts I had found prior to knowing these writings or symbols or anything at all really. All I had initially conceived of and conceptualized came from the desire to understand mud flooding. developing the idea that the sky had forced ancient buildings into the ground over time and that this effect had to be attributable to the sky becoming solid. which in turn would necessitate it being "frozen" this progressed to the concept of it being inert and thus a deadweight upon those structures.

From that I used imagination and reason to consider how that would play out as a larger model. rendered it in mind and produced the theory by which I measured all these latter insights. This lead me to ken wheeler, I appreciate what you say in regards to his application of teaching, he is not the most able at conveying topics. But undoubtably his concept of what magnetism is, is fundamentally correct.

I know it is because I have used it to understand this system I'm being presented with, and it allows me insight into how it works from a field theory perspective. again all these elements simply fitting together and from entirely unconnected and random places. perhaps at this point you will be skeptical and say, well your looking for signs and symbols and I appreciate that we do always eventually find what we seek for. but that its occurring in so many places and in so many random ways and topics, I find it extremely bizarre and feel compelled to ask at what point does it become more than coincidence?

So with ken I learnt field theory (I'm not the greatest at it) but did so to the best of my ability so I could ask him questions to further my understanding of it. he seldom replies and in all honesty I don't think he likes my concepts or my correspondences generally. But regardless I see the value in his presented concepts and the topics he produces work for.

I applied his refined concept of magnetism to the sun and how it presented through its motions and realized it is the macro of what ken wheeler is calling the three dimensional force vector or the hyperboloid (8 shape) and the torus (donut shape). the suns point torques around our area of inhabitation or our area of existence, around a non spacial point the zero or null point at the very center of the upper and lower planes. on the other side of that zero point (plane of inertia) is a counterspacial point which is either exactly the same as our sun or it is exactly the opposite.

By opposite I mean instead of producing lights attributions to the material sphere as our sun does. it would perform the opposite role and conditioning removing such attribution like a light hoover. this is theoretical, I am more inclined to believe it is like the sun exactly as the sun is but simply its sister. (in the myths it is its sister and mother in Isis,) the sun on our side of that divided plane being Osiris when positioned at center and becoming Horus when in motion around its area of solar effect and also as this areas motion around the full plane too.

Again as you see these elements both ancient and modern, fitted together seamlessly, it was as ken has said repeatedly all nature is simplex pressure mediation. everything definable in matter, is because of this central null point a point of nothingness where these two "suns" have been pulled apart from. All that resides between these two "suns" as if the poles of magnet, is in motion, light and life. outside of that area is of inertia and of energy as potential but not as an active component only as potential it is also of darkness. again ken does say all of this but he never makes it clear what is meant by these terms. it took me writing down his videos at half speed to really grasp the concepts presented in his videos.

With this understanding I then moved back to the ancient documents to find further evidence of this system and these active components and mechanisms at work. morals and dogma by albert pike has several references to it.

I have written an account of Zep Tepi or the first time in the Egyptian of what happened with the sun and its inception into this planes sky. by this I mean the sun of the earthly plane is not natural it was placed into this hemisphere and upon this plane as an artificial measure to remove inertia and the negative principle which is its natural state. this is why we age and die the sun gives light and life but not everlasting and sustainable light which is the kind it produced during the time where it was central and seen to be Osiris.

Last night I finished a chapter of morals and dogma and it was speaking of the kabbalah specifically of yod the Hebrew letter. In this chapter it was detailing as yod the exact things and actions which I had written the sun to be perform during zep tepi again all documented in my thread on solid sky. the book spoke of it decent into the underworld of its union with i forget the other Hebrew letter but it was compatible with the concept of Isis as a sister sun. it spoke of the initial state of the two planes of a wife and husband but she did not face him which was representative of the light being wholly in heavens hemisphere and darkness being wholly in earths until the adjustment was made and the two counterspacial suns were formed as we detailed earlier across the planes.

Even the masonic allegory regarding Hiram Abiff is in regards to the first time, as Solomon's temple where its master builder (Osiris as the sun) goes to three exits gets attacked, killed and then looses the secret that built the temple being buried outside of that temple. it speaks to the conclusion of the story of zep tepi. Osiris as the sun is flung off into the plane from this central paradise, this allows the inert solid sky back into this location, retaking the earthly hemisphere as Apophis/sets victory over Osiris. Heavens side use Isis the other sun to search for him/it. she finds his parts in the story and in real life using some variation of magnetism reconnects the sun as a counterspacial point once again.

In doing so produces Horus. Crucially with a piece missing his member. or that which penetrates into Isis the other sun and lights full capabilities into this material sphere. this part of the story made me think about what occurs during eclipses and how they look when full, like a dark member penetrating the sun as if a vagina. the sun being Horus presently only a shadow is produced but when these two points overlap counterspacially and when they are both positioned at the center of the full realm in a stationary manner.

An Osirian alignment will occur once again. this is Osiris/Hiram being resurrected in the stories once again. In the masonic allegory at this point the word is found and the temple can be rebuilt again the word to masons is the light produced from Osiris and not as it presently is as Horus. I hope your grasping the overlapping themes presented in these stories. the Greek also have the same concepts with the same characters just with Greek variations to them.

So at this point as stated Hiram abiffs allegory comes up and I see that pattern in that story once again. this leads me to look further into the symbols of masonry and here I am telling you in the middle of that process. I'm still looking into those symbols and the occult writings produced but so far they are repeatedly indicative of this very same underlying model and system and the processes of it. you mention the Baphomet and I agree they have basterdised these symbols and corrupted them with their tainted concepts and filthy perversions. but these symbols at their base level still say the same thing as when they were first conceived.

Look at the hands of the Baphomet the hands point to moons I believe. the moons are mirrored as if separated by a dual sided plane and they are counterspacial one upper left the other lower right. the caduceus at the center as a belt is speaking of the three dimensional force vector formed of natural curved lines (again a statement constantly made by ken wheeler) the star on its head is the star of Solomon the temple of which we just described as being this place we live in. that it has a rams head is similar to the headdresses in Egyptian imagery with the horns being the inert area displaced by the sun, the sun disc in the Egyptian images is usually atop and in the center of that horned spread and this is what we see in the Baphomet image.

We see the seal of Solomon again with Solomon being the sun and a representative of that sun disc in the Egyptian imagery. that it is perverted today is beyond doubt and I believe this is by the design of those who do not wish us to remember its true meaning. but that it represents the things I have suggested is true. also that it is suggestive of this overarching system or model I'm finding everywhere is yet truer still. I don't expect to convince you of all these things in one essay I honestly wouldn't want to.

I have come to the realization that this is something you can only find for yourself but to follow the path I've just detailed requires no oaths and obligations only the time to search countless archives and documents lol your welcome to check my statements should you wish and should you not I respect that also.

This was a monster write up for one sitting, I hope I conveyed the things I have tried to properly. if I have not I apologize. as stated I've found signs or indications of this now in nature, field theory, the ancient texts, the religious texts, the orphic hymns the rig veda, the rig veda americanus and even in the forms and designs of all standing and ruinous ancient architectures.

I have undertaken the beginnings of trying to learn Mayan hieroglyph's in the hopes of analyzing these further but again even in the initial stages reading the chiliam balam of chumayel and the like, I'm seeing the same signs and descriptions of the same events and mechanisms I'm also seeing indications in their architecture too.

In regards to ken's videos just to reiterate, I advise watching them at half speed whilst writing them down in full. then reading your writing after and skipping around the video in real time for relative sections. it really helps me. also find videos where he uses props like the chalkboard, he draws the incomplete and complete light circuit and references it in regards to magnetism as well. that was a big help and breakthrough video for me in regards to my field theory understandings.

Aside from that the practical videos where he demonstrates the centipedal and centrifugal lines under a Ferrocell are great for understanding both the natural lines and also how the magnet indicates this null point I referenced as being at the center of our dual sided plane. looking at the magnet under a Ferrocell imagine the black spot to be that central point of our realm and the poles either side to be the counterspacial cartesian values forming the curvilinear but in the suns case its a torquing one and in the magnets case its a fixed one at each end of the magnet.

I hope this helps you it took me a while to get a grip with it but its worth it. also Walter Russell's the universal one really helped me too.

I wish you all the best.
cheers

 

[greatscot]

Sumerian history and The Bible are the same story, Edin/Eden, sky gods, flood, etc. That would imply the Sumerian language was merely a form of Hebrew or Greek