SH Archive How did they get the slab atop the two big stones?

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-11-24 18:48:18
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Once you deliver those huge rocks, it could be easy with a crane may be. Otherwise anything is easy when we don’t have to do it ourselves, i.e. canals, pyramids, artificial lakes, etc.

As far as an honor of being on the work crew goes. That’s an explanation one would expect from the mainstream, when they are clueless. Unless have at least circumstantial evidence, please do not use justifications like that on this forum.
 
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Username: Tart Aryan
Date: 2019-11-24 19:11:08
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Almost all of Siberia and upper Russia is covered in them. They have a different name for them there that I can’t recall at the moment. Many are buried in Ice and Snow. We’re talking places so inhospitable no one has lived there for ages. Many dolmens are above ground. There are many that are unburied though as well. Dating is not something to worry about for me. The archeologists have given us the position of having them dead to rights on their construction. Most are older than the wheel and metal by thousands of years. They then tell us though oh they had some pulleys, shovels and the dug the ground up, pulled the stone over, and dug the dirt back out. Problem is these people according to them didn’t even have the tools for basic farming. So what were they digging with? Their fingernails and hands? Sticks? That’s before we even get into the problem of the stones always coming from miles away. The archeologists have let us back them into a corner so for this I let their dating stand without argument and let them explain to me how any of these explanations make one bit of sense. They never can without then saying that oh they dug with shovels and used leverage and pulleys and logs. But according to them many of these structures predate all of that. It’s a great first step toward breaking down their ridiculous ideas and showing they have no clue.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-11-24 19:14:01
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There we go again throwing thousands of years around. Please provide sources for such information. The way presented, it sounds like a pure speculation.
 
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Username: Tart Aryan
Date: 2019-11-24 19:28:55
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I don’t worry about the dates when the archeologists tell us something so contradictory that we have them dead to rights. They say these things predate the wheel and metal. The invention of the wheel is 3500 BC. Gobekli Tepe is from 9,000 BC. Many dolmens are from 7-5000 BC. 3000 BC is the first bronze. These are the accepted dates and I don’t have time to source to such well known conventions. Civilization is 4500 BC. So prior to that they say all people were hunter gatherer nomads. That makes a lot of sense, while traveling around scrounging for animals and fruit and nuts, people without the use of metal or knowledge of the wheel were just randomly in their spare time while traveling endlessly building something like this below, 5500 years before civilization. 1574623634990.jpeg
It’s beyond laughable.

The dates don’t matter only in the sense that their story makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

An easy google will show you when the wheel was invented according to them, or civilization or metal tools.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-11-24 19:29:08
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Well there's a dearth of dlmens here on this island, unless I've managed to avoid them all. Quite probable as I haven't wandered over the entire thing.
So no method of dating stone and no method of dating artifacts aka finds or layers of deposits and yet dates or time periods get thrown around willy-nilly. My brain hurts.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-11-24 19:37:54
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I do worry about the dates, and I did when I was creating this forum. As a matter of fact this is one of the reasons why this site exists, and I’m not gonna let it slip into something it was never meant to be.

Thousands of years are perfectly ok, when backed up by reasonable verifiable evidence. Archaeologists dating stuff to whatever time they want is not evidence. This is a mainstream opinion.

Please do not use dates of this magnitude, unless have data or evidence to back them up.
 
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Username: Tart Aryan
Date: 2019-11-24 19:45:59
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You’re missing the point. That the archeologists have gotten so silly they are gift wrapping evidence that their dates are massively wrong in one way or another. If you choose to invalidate their ridiculous claims and let them off the hook then that is your choice. I think you miss the big point, that what they are asserting is impossible. It’s like saying man forged metal before the invention of fire. It’s the perfect window of attack to take down their narrative.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-11-24 19:57:04
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I apologize if I missed your point.

I hope mine was clear enough as far as thousand/s year old dates go. I do need to make an official announcement pertaining to the issue though.
 
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Username: Tart Aryan
Date: 2019-11-24 20:28:12
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I totally get what you’re saying and I completely agree. This place is nice because you do keep things very orderly and on point. Some other boards are a mess and the threads devolve so badly they’re hard to read. I love what you’re doing here to keep that from happening.

Dodge posted that all of this stone work is just shoveled dirt and leverage systems. That doesn’t jive with the accepted dates of what the mainstream tells us for when we discovered these systems. Dolmens are something I heavily researched for 10 years in the in 2,000’s. I have debated archeologists on this and in fact my professor in an archeology class lost the debate on my final paper which he gave me D originally. We had an email discussion and he said it’s obvious that they used wheels and moved dirt. So I asked the date of when those things were invented. He didn’t respond for 2 days and then finally said ok you have me. These technologies didn’t exist during the construction of many of these structures. Then he told me that Archeology is a constantly evolving science and that I had obviously exposed some illogical thinking in their ideas of ancient construction. He then changed my paper to an A. So, hopefully what I said makes sense, but I trust your judgement and I will also try to lay my case out with links better in the future.
 
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Username: Banta
Date: 2019-11-25 00:31:57
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I like your argument but I feel like the approach that JD and Korben took in this thread is perhaps more efficient... which is simply asking for how we arrived at these dates in the first place, because as we know, those answers are not inspiring to say the least. You can beg the question with the dates and point out how sequentially certain events don't jive with common sense and within certain debates/discussions that may be the right tact to take to open someone's eyes, but generally speaking, it's better to lop these off at the knees. Academia has gotten away with stories over substance for far too long.
 
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Username: dr dodge
Date: 2019-11-25 01:17:06
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Agreed
Man has dug holes for ever
Just because we need a ditch witch now does not mean many things, hands included could move significant amounts of dirt.
because when it comes down to it, it is just moving dirt.

so many exist because it was easy. someone figures out the trick and everyone is copying. (keep up with the jone's, if you will)
basic human instinct.

I suspect the first hole dug was in a safe place to poop.

dr
the concept was more like convincing for a person (or groups) to become a zealot(s) of some sort,
then village would willingly send their best and strongest to build these things
voluntary slaves, if you will.

more a mob mentality thing

dr
 
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Username: 0harris0
Date: 2019-11-25 18:05:32
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BS link, those pictures are from 1960's for a start, they didn't have diesel trucks and cranes "100 years ago" LOL ;)
look at photos from 1800s and then try to tell me it was built in the 1960s :ROFLMAO:
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when was it somewhere else? and, where is this "somewhere else"?

did they also move Avebury stone circle from "somewhere else", and Stanton Drew stone circles?

Presumably then, they moved all the ancient sites from elsewhere to Wessex? and all the supposed local history is also false, and nobody ever lived here before recent times?
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ps. they had cranes in ancient times. problem solved. stones could potentially have been floated in on rafts as there is a river nearby (y)

and manpower?! this area must have been very well settled way back when. so many "tumuli", "iron age" "forts", "burial mounds", "earthworks" and signs of agriculture (stepped fields, drainage etc) in the same area!
though i doubt the nomenclature, original usage, and "archaeological" dates, there must have been a considerable populace to even bother with any such scale of groundworking/ landscaping
 
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