King Arthur in Hyperborea & The Arctic Mud Flood Cataclysm.

[codis]

Part of the arctic region is also the magnetic (nord) pole, which pulls in more solar wind (ionized particles) - which is the reason for the northern lights.
I think this increased radiation has not a positive health effects I think.
Related (or not) is the effect of light.
The sun is always up around midsummer, and is not at all visible around winter solstice.
The latter period is associated with a high suicide rate in Scandinavia.

 

[Deleted member 37]

I imagine that nowadays is like you say. But myths have preserved the opposite view. So I was talking of that possibility in relation of a bygone age. Who knows...

 

[codis]

I imagine that nowadays is like you say. But myths have preserved the opposite view. So I was talking of that possibility in relation of a bygone age. Who knows...

Some theories suggest that upon certain conditions (e.g. a solar micro nova), the solid earth crust decouples from the core, because the induced currents melt the solid "pillars" connecting both, which results in arbitrary, inertia and mass-equilibrum based rotation.
In short, the crust (surface) may move "randomly", with the former north pole now suddenly located at the equator.

 

[Felix Noille]

Could the Younger Dryas serve as the cold snap in the Arthur legend?

It's a possibility I suppose, Britannica states that it's onset took less than 100 years. However, the flash-freezing evidence shows that it was something that took less than 5 seconds. Also the core samples show that what was there before was a tropical environment. I think the Younger Dryas... or Dryas the Younger, he came along before the climate had fully reverted back from the supposed Ice Age. There's even doubt about the Ice Age ever taking place in certain scientific circles.

The video is interesting. Google Earth/Maps are full of anomalies. My personal favourite is satellite images of huge reservoirs in Spain showing the reflection of clouds. Obviously the 'satellites' were orbiting below cloud level that day.

Yes, I was referring to the possibility of an Arctic free of ice as suggested in some of the books quoted in the main article.

Modern geography/science whatever, would have us believe that there's no actual land at the North Pole, it's all ice - so they say. I think it does also get mostly free of ice in summer, again, so they say. This is the basis of the "Oh my God! The Polar Ice cap is melting! We're all going to die!" global climate warming change histrionics. There are a great many more recent accounts of warm seas nearer the pole and phantom lands. There are also books, but they will always be regarded as fiction. 'The 'Smoky God' by Willis George Emerson for example and the truly strange 'Etidorhpa, or, The end of earth : the strange history of a mysterious being and the account of a remarkable journey as communicated in manuscript to Llewellyn Drury who promised to print the same, but finally evaded the responsibility which was assumed.' All of these are consigned to the Hollow Earth Lunatics Department archives.

It's very odd that the poles are so shrouded in mystery, legend, rumour and speculation, probably more than most other places in the World and are also so highly secured against casual observation.

 

[anselmojo]

I imagine that nowadays is like you say. But myths have preserved the opposite view. So I was talking of that possibility in relation of a bygone age. Who knows...

Or like the Electric Universe Purple Dawn model, where earth was tidal locked at the north pole to Saturn-Mars-Venus-Mercury-Moon sky train that crashed into the Sun-Jupiter system...

 

[Deleted member 37]

I imagine that nowadays is like you say. But myths have preserved the opposite view. So I was talking of that possibility in relation of a bygone age. Who knows...

Or like the Electric Universe Purple Dawn model, where earth was tidal locked at the north pole to Saturn-Mars-Venus-Mercury-Moon sky train that crashed into the Sun-Jupiter system...

You read my mind, bro!
Although it's probably an instable model. We'll see

 

[anselmojo]

I imagine that nowadays is like you say. But myths have preserved the opposite view. So I was talking of that possibility in relation of a bygone age. Who knows...

Or like the Electric Universe Purple Dawn model, where earth was tidal locked at the north pole to Saturn-Mars-Venus-Mercury-Moon sky train that crashed into the Sun-Jupiter system...

You read my mind, bro!
Although it's probably an instable model. We'll see

Instable (=not) Unstable !

 

[AthroposRex]

This is fascinating stuff, thank you very much for sharing it. Throughout my own research for the above, I was very much aware that there was far more to the story than I was able to piece together I also realised that I wasn't going to get any closer to it with the material available to me. However, the information you have given above is obviously closely related and I'm looking forward to finding out more. I suppose that's the beauty of an international forum - we can coordinate information from all the different cultures. I will watch the videos tonight.

Thanks again

You are most welcome.

I wish I could explain the beauty of it...bear with me, and I'll try.

To test Mr Bock's
(and he was not alone; there were/are other keepers-of-the-ancient-truth, folk lore legends and the occasional snippets like sayings of older generations, underneath the official surface of both Asir and Vaner-rooted Finnish daily life; heard them all my life, unable to spot the greater story behind them)
epic narrative, I started looking at academical history, ancient myths of other peoples, old symbolism, old maps, et cetera - and found confirmation just about everywhere.

I understand fully, if it gets too confusing to follow for speakers of other Mother Tongues, but to me, as a natural, organic Rot (root) speaker, things seem obvious. And I must say the sheer brilliance of Oden Allfather's wisdom gives me goose bumps. My very own daily language starts talking to me. Over here, on the Ostrobothnian coast, Finland, Rot-language still lives. The dialect of my fellow town folk is way "older" (= more isolated = closer to the ancient roots) than even Mr Bock's was, down in the Helsinki/Uusimaa/Uudenmaa region.

Like this:

Su-omi (Van) = our/my marsh (Suomi = Finland)
Su-mer (Van) = sea of marshes

Ap-kullu/kulla (Rot) = flock of apes/litter of monkeys
Enmebaragese (1st Sumer king) = "Ein-me-ba-Ra-ge-se" (Rot) = "One to whom/with only surrender [because he is/has/is of Ra]"
Ur (Rot) = original, first
Lag-ash (Rot) = put down/lay ash

et cetera

Hel-vet-ia = "Hel-know(ledge)-here" - vet, veti (Rot) = knowledge, wit, wisdom
Hel-As = "Land of Asir Hel"
Frank-riike = "Place where people frank"
Par-is = Bar-is, "place where ground still frozen, but not covered"
Is-span-ja = "ice seen here"
It-all-is = "Not all ice"

et cetera

in America (A-mi-riika):

All-As-ka = all cas-tells, castle, "tower/heap from where Wäinämöinen/Asir tells", "kasa" in my language as of today
Dela Ware = "trade/share goods"
Norumbega (as still seen on J500 and J600 maps, northern shore of the Gulf of Mexico) = "north of bay" = "Norr om veka" in my language as of today
All-goon-qvinn = "all woman good"
Puu-ebb-lå = Wood when ebb/dry, (mix of Van and Rot words - mixing which still today very much happens every hour here in town)

Inca = (Lemm-)inka(-inen)
Maya = goes without saying, Earth Mother, Allmother, often depicted in Wäinämöinen's company
As-te-k = Asir tea kings
Ju-ka-taan = "wheel 'kas' from there"

...and on and on it goes.

Aph-riika:

Ethiopia = Ett-ihoop-igen (Rot) = One together again
Hadd-is = Hadd is (Rot) = had ice
Makkonen = family name of king line
Ras Tafari = Ra-sta-Far-i = King/light-stands/centers-in-Father's-bloodline/penis...you get it...apparently 225 generations

As-träl-ijeen = "Australia" = Asir serfs here ("Träl" did not originally mean serf or slave in Hel, merely 'the lowest caste' beneath Jarls and Karls)

Ma-O-re = land/mother/soil-Oden-again

Couple of things from thread above:

Olger = All-ger (Rot) = All-giver (al-gae first visible life on the planet)
Avalon = As-val-ön, place where choice of Asir breeding partner ritual took place
Caer Wydyr = Island of weather = Väder-skär (Rot), skär, skäre, skäri = (small) island, "sk" pronounced "sch"

And the Celts got the name, simply because the colour yellow was important to them: Keltainen (Van) = yellow.

Narr-a-Tor = non-breeding middle brother who tells of Tor; a caste in itself, neither Jarl, Karl nor Träl = Narr, story-teller, sooth-sayer, "court jester".



Since the Asir-of-Hel re-spawning of human culture and nations took place a few thousands of years before the "oldest" known writings of mankind, sounds and words and their meanings have gotten mixed up and morphed into new shapes and new traditions already ancient themselves. But in the oldest geographical and historical names and words, the Rot language core is still very much there, it seems.

Can't help but remember, that Ior Bock was relentlessly and massively ridiculed and scorned by all mainstream media from 1987 until his violent death in his home in Helsinki in 2010 by brutal stabbing. And that bloody well fits the pattern of the På-ra-si-t-es and how they work.

Again, sorry for lack of scientific principle education...I hope this helps any- and everyone interested in delving further into the Saga anyway.

To me, as a native speaker of ancient but living, breathing Rot language, the world, history and present all open up.
No doubt another Ragnaröik is coming.

Schack (Rot) = people, group of people, folk
Schack-Ra = people's light

In Ki-na, the MiddleBrother from Hel who traveled that way, met a people who loved to debate and discuss, in their own Allt-land-is period language.
So the place got the name Ki-Na (= "key of knowledge". To debate, discuss, heatedly contest views in my language = "ti kina"). Those folks had never seen a white man before, of course, so they gaped and pointed fingers (to point and gape in my language ="ti peek" [Swedish long 'e' sound, not Eng]), so the place where the MiddleBrother built the Ki-Na Star City, he called "Pek-ing".

He taught the people of Ki-Na - since they were rather intelligent in and of themselves - a board game, simply called "Schack", to make understandable the dangers and mechanics of war: the ordinary Träl, peon, dies first. Schack [with Swe 'a', not Eng] = chess. (No idea, why the word "Schack" turned into "Chess" in the Anglo-saxon mouth.)

And it just so happens, that the - in my opinion - best Narr-a-Tor of the Bock Saga today is called Jim Chess-Narr.
The one person on the internets who has single-handedly prompted the most people to have a look at the Saga in the last couple of weeks is anthropologist Robert Sepehr. Ra-bärt Se-Per. "Light bears see Father". Odds..? :O

Mind blown and re-blown. Very unscientific magic.

Static, stagnated info on static media is rather useless in direct, organic communication about spiritual things in the here-and-now, which is self-evident, when one thinks about it. It is all in the sounds that make up the (Rot and Van) language.

The Asir invented/remembered Sann Skrift, (= True Writing, "sanskrit" in Hin-du-stan; the Eng word 'sound' means just that - "sann" [Rot] = true, sound-and-sane), the runes, in/since På-rad-is times, but did not share it right away with post-Allt-land-is peoples, since they understood the dangers of such. Used in spiritual context on static media, runes risk birth of religion (Re-ligg-hjon = "Lie back down, peon/pariah"), politics, strife, war, death, slavery and destruction. This is why all ancient Viking rune stones are rather matter-of-fact "Kilroy was here" prose.
Snorri Sturlausson was already Catholic - his words corrupted.

OK, I'll stop there for now
I understand perfectly well, if all this is hard to follow for non-speakers of Rot.

I am not really interested in debate as such about the Saga's authenticity or truth, given its very nature as evident in the Rot and Van sound system, but would be happy to answer any questions as best I can.

I am not a scholar, merely a poor Narr, all my adult life spent in underground rock n' roll. But The Great Awakening is here, as it must...and it is time for all people of the world to listen to Oden/Wäinämöinen and take heed. Not even the normies and gagged smartphone zombies around me can avoid feeling it in these totally absurd "COVID19" days. Parasites at work since thousands of years. Here come the inevitable consequences of not being able nor willing, as a society, to spot nor analyze the Parasites and their true nature.

Wish it weren't so - but it bloody well is.

Peace & good luck to 1 and All.
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Here is Mr Chesnar, explaining the sound system:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKrzJoToWi8&t=883s

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Crap...got 1 detail wrong: "Norumbega" not the northern coast of Gulf of Mexico, but further North. Statement still stands, regarding the etymology.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b531711799/f1.item.r=Norumbega.zoom

Wow. I don't even speak Rot and my mind is blown.
I am going to see if I can find a Rot language site or tool so I can learn a little more. Thank you so much for sharing.

 

[Felix Noille]

Wow. I don't even speak Rot and my mind is blown.
I am going to see if I can find a Rot language site or tool so I can learn a little more. Thank you so much for sharing.

WARNING: Please read THIS first.

 

[Whitewave]

Recently read the Bock saga which I found intriguing. I didn't take it all at face value but it did resonate with me in ways not expected.

Not being a linguist I have to ask for clarification. In the Saga it's mentioned that Altland (Atlantis?) translated to "old land". Kind of like how immigrants say they're from the "old country". Depending on the immigrant, "old country" could be Lithuania, Poland, Germany, etc. And obviously, the inhabitants of the Altland would have called their country something else. It would only be future generations who moved elsewhere that would call their homeland the "old land".

My question is, has the meaning of Altland changed in the Rot or Van language or was the English online translation mistaken?

Thanks for any help you can give in furthering my understanding. Off to watch the videos now.

 

[Felix Noille]

Off to watch the videos now

...don't say you haven't been warned.

 

[Sasyexa]

So, in the poem Gweir has been imprisoned within Caer Sidi (Mound Fortress or Fortress of the fairy-folk - possibly the ‘Skraelinger’ mentioned in Mercator’s Polar Insert map), where he is bound in chains and ‘singing woefully’ before the treasure or spoils of Annvn, which also seems to be imprisoned along with him. This situation is due to the actions of Pwyll and Pryderi. In a tale from the First Branch of The Mabinogi, Pwyll exchanges place and shape with Arawn, who is the king of Annwn. Pryderi was Pwyll’s son, who through some foolishness plunged the land (Dyfed) into chaos turning it into a wasteland where all the people and livestock disappeared in mist, except for his closest relatives. So, by all accounts, Pryderi was a bit of a disaster and his father had also been up to no good when he obtained his mother Rhiannon’s hand in marriage by deception and murder. It’s no surprise then that these two had done something to cause the imprisonment of the sun god, Gweir and the treasures of Annwn.

Reminds me of one Greek story:
Atlas (a Titan, giant, if you will) and Persephone (wife of Hades, ruler of the Underworld) decided to kidnap Helios (Sun-God) to somehow escape the underworld. The kidnapping succeeded, the world was plunged into darkness, the Morpheus (God of dreams) was now in control, whole world put to sleep. Other Gods reacted swiftly though, Persephone was punished and Atlas continued his eternal servitude.
>Why is this related to the mentioned story?
Greek world may have been situated in the North before Homer in the Baltic

 

[alltheleaves]

English also has these mystical connections. Language... measure. Cullen smith. Unpenned show. Twilight language. Green language. Language of the birds. Keyword starters.

Wyrd is magic spell in the welsh or gaelic if i recall correctly...

Wow. I don't even speak Rot and my mind is blown.
I am going to see if I can find a Rot language site or tool so I can learn a little more. Thank you so much for sharing.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Wyrd is magic spell in the welsh or gaelic if i recall correctly...

Wyrd = "Fate," "to come to pass, to become."

 

[Deleted member 37]

The Inventio Fortunata described a very different topography for the Arctic Circle to that which we have been told exists today and was the authoritative basis for mainstream maps, globes and atlas’ for more than 150 years when that particular configuration of land around the North Pole was censored from the public’s awareness by simply and literally erasing it from the maps.

I think that this North Pole was in reality a representation of Queen Elizabeth Islands in Canada. Here in the Urbano Monte map from 1587 we can see it better (LUNA).

I have highlighted Greenland in red, Baffin Island in green and the possible locations of the now gone Frisland and Hitland in light blue.

If this is true then Arthur colonised Baffin Island inhabited by the Inuit people. Was the magnetic rock there too?

Perlesvaus is said to be a continuation of Chrétien de Troyes' unfinished Perceval, the Story of the Grail.

Slightly off-topic here, but what do you think @Sasyexa of this similarity in language?
It seems to me that Perceval-Perlesvaus is extremely similar to Pereyaslavl: to achieve glory. What about the similarity both in word and concept of Glory and Grail? Wasn't the Grail something to be achieved by Perceval?

 

[Sasyexa]

Slightly off-topic here, but what do you think @Sasyexa of this similarity in language?
It seems to me that Perceval-Perlesvaus is extremely similar to Pereyaslavl: to achieve glory. What about the similarity both in word and concept of Glory and Grail? Wasn't the Grail something to be achieved by Perceval?

Interesting. Pereslavl' is situated in the area of Yaroslavl', which, as far as I remember, considered by Fomenko to be the real Novgorod, i.e the supposed birthplace of Russian statehood. It's also in the North, not the North Pole, but had trade routes there.

Not sure what the word pereya in Pereyaslavl' means. Slava means glory, the morpheme пере (pere) means over, the word перья (per'ya) means feathers. Google says Pereya is a region in Greece, but also........a region in Palestine. Is that of your doing, @Silveryou?

Wiki also says that graal is an Old French word, so there is definitely something to it. Gaul, galley, graal, glory...

 

[Deleted member 37]

Interesting. Pereslavl' is situated in the area of Yaroslavl', which, as far as I remember, considered by Fomenko to be the real Novgorod, i.e the supposed birthplace of Russian statehood. It's also in the North, not the North Pole, but had trade routes there.

Not sure what the word pereya in Pereyaslavl' means. Slava means glory, the morpheme пере (pere) means over, the word перья (per'ya) means feathers. Google says Pereya is a region in Greece, but also........a region in Palestine. Is that of your doing, @Silveryou?

Wiki also says that graal is an Old French word, so there is definitely something to it. Gaul, galley, graal, glory...

I searched 'Pereslavl meaning' on Google and that was the translation. I know for sure that there are many cities with that name or derived from it: Bratislava (Bratislava - Wikipedia) and Pereyaslavets (Pereyaslavets - Wikipedia) are two of those but there are probably more. I didn't mean to talk about the cities though, I just wanted to hint at the similarity of the words and the fitting meanings.

Or is it Paris-slavl? PRS-slavl?

 

[Deleted member 1432]

It seems to me that Perceval-Perlesvaus is extremely similar to Pereyaslavl

You mean they all begin with PER, like perhaps, personality, Persia...

Words that start with per | Words starting with per

Wasn't the Grail something to be achieved by Perceval?

"Perlesvaus, which presents itself as be a translation of a Latin source found in Avalon as narrated by Josephus, follows a high complex narrative chronicling the progress of various Knights of the Round Table in their quest for the Holy Grail." Source

"Perceval is dedicated to Chrétien's patron Philip I, Count of Flanders It was written in Old French during the 1180s or 1190s and likely left unfinished because of the death of either Philip in 1191, while crusading at Acre, or the author Chrétien de Troyes himself.

"Later authors added 54,000 more lines in what are known collectively as the Four Continuations, as well as other related texts.

"It is said by some scholars that during the time Chrétien was writing Perceval, there was a political crisis taking place between the monarchy and the aristocracy, which included his patron, Philip of Flanders, which may have influenced Chrétien’s work.

"There are possible parallels in Perceval with the Irish mythological race of the Tuatha Dé Danann. The race has three central talismans- a spear, a cauldron, and a sword- that correlate with the spear, grail, and sword present in Perceval.

"Chrétien's Perceval includes many similarities to the Irish saga The Boyhood Deeds of Finn. The main character, Finn, is raised in isolation and undergoes many adventures akin to those of Perceval, suggesting that the narrative may have been a source of inspiration for Chrétien." Source

So, maybe Christian 'integrate and dominate' tactics and/or Norman Mafia propaganda then?

 

[Deleted member 37]

You mean they all begin with PER, like perhaps, personality, Persia...

I meant that Pereyeslavl is almost the anagram of Perlesvaus. In itself it means nothing, but the meaning 'to achieve glory' fits with the overall quest for glory/Graal by Perceval.

 

[Sasyexa]

I meant that Pereyeslavl is almost the anagram of Perlesvaus. In itself it means nothing, but the meaning 'to achieve glory' fits with the overall quest for glory/Graal by Perceval.

I looked a bit more into it and found where google might have taken the "to achieve glory" meaning. Here it says that Переяславль comes from "перенявший славу" which means "the one who inherited the glory" or "the one who took over the glory". A bit less dignified than achieving it