The Battle of Fort Sumter is famous for being the first battle of the American Civil War. The battle only lasted two days from April 12-13, 1861. The Confederacy won the battle over the Union and took control of Fort Sumter. There were no deaths or casualties from the battle.
Compare the below three images. We have this weird phantom flag in the first image, and a cannon ball looking object present only on the one of the below two images. Probably missed something, not sure.
Why would somebody mess with the flag?
If that flying sphere is a cannon ball, why would it be either added, or erased to/from the "original"?
Note: This OP was recovered from the Sh.org archive.
I see the cannonball but I think it might be some sort of photographic artifact. Look at the cannon below the cb, no way it could fit in it. Look at the cannon closest to the picture-taker, to the right- still couldn't fit the cb in it. Same with the cannons in the ground. The cb would have to be very close to the camera at the time of the picture
That being said, if it is just some sort of photographic artifact from the time, why remove it and the other bits in the sky at all? If you look at the groundlevel around where the people are standing, there seem to be plenty of black bits removed from there as well... why take the time to do that? If they are going for authenticity for these photos in general, why modify them at all (without removing the originals from history).
With the contrast of the second photo, I'm wondering if the black bits are gone simply because the second photo has been "softened" contrast-wise? Would this softening make the giant dot of the "cannonball" disappear completely from the photo? Not sure
I think you can see a heap of cannonballs lying somewhat under the Teepee wooden frame construction in the left for comparison to the "object".
Think it's something that can be logical explained (looks like a stain) but what puzzles me more...
Where did the first image came from ? What is the source if I might ask ? First thing I see is what I believe is a Dutch flag, at best a tri-coloured flag complete with flag-pole line.
And since I've seen the Dutch flag being captured at Fort Sumter in another thread why is it showing in the first image while the confederate "Stars and Bars" is in the most "genuine/original" photo's shown ?
Looks like the first image isn't the original but there is something other curious about it. The first image extends more to the left (more is shown) than on what seems to be the original pictures. I've searched for the pictures but the "original" pictures seem to be cut off and have the proper size. See the 2 attachments for the example.
For fun sake : some 70 years before the Civil War The United States of the Netherlands after being around for 200 years came to an end. Invaded by Napoleon. If we go by the "accepted history"...
The United States of the Netherlands was a Confederation that was made up of 8 States but counted as 7. The Confederates also start with 7 secession states and 7 stars in the Stars & Banners.
The Battle of Fort Sumter is famous for being the first battle of the American Civil War. The battle only lasted two days from April 12-13, 1861. The Confederacy won the battle over the Union and took control of Fort Sumter. There were no deaths or casualties from the battle.
Compare the below three images. We have this weird phantom flag in the first image, and a cannon ball looking object present only on the one of the below two images. Probably missed something, not sure.
Why would somebody mess with the flag?
If that flying sphere is a cannon ball, why would it be either added, or erased to/from the "original"?
First looks like pencil sketch copy of middle. Third looks like cleaned up middle one (digital or otherwise). Middle appears as damaged original photo. That's my impression.
First looks like pencil sketch copy of middle. Third looks like cleaned up middle one (digital or otherwise). Middle appears as damaged original photo. That's my impression.
I agree with you. The middle picture is the original in its largest form but it's still a picture from a picture (right ? because I'm a amateur when it comes to photography) where some detail of the left and right are not shown to make a fit I guess.
I'm "deducing" this by the curves in the upper part, they would seem go curve a little but further ? To make it fit on a paper in a photobook ?
The photographs I could find all extend more to right. Some also being shortened on the sides to fit.
The pencil sketch is the only one I could find up to now of the Ft. Sumter scene which extends more to the left so it has to be taken of the original or the drawer had a very good fantasy to add things.
There are quite a few possibilities some of which may have a very boring explanation but in light of this site and thread I'm willing to do some proposterous speculation...
Maybe it's possible that the pencil sketch is a copy of an untempered original which still had the Dutch flag on it ? Later the original picture was rendered and especially the Stars and Bars ?
When I look at the Stars and Bars it seems to me that one half is original (dutch) and the other half added on/in (not sure of the terms). Could be an optical illusion on my eyes because of the flag curling in the wind and the bluriness of the picture.
Shouldn't the stars in the middle picture be more "detailed" even thought it moves because of the wind ?
Found this picture where the stars are "double" because of a moving effect in the wind it seems. Seems plausible, reasonable and real to me but still it's in relation of the timing with the "original"... That's because of the guy laying on a cannon (screenshot attached). Very intruiging all of this.... If anybody has ideas they're welcome
While browsing some confederates flag I also saw a sort of "Turkish looking one".
1st attachment is screenshot of the middle original picture ;
3rd attachment is the flag flown on the 14th of april 1861 if it's true... so that's a form of a secession flag or confederate regimental colours ? => April 12, 1861: Civil War Begins ;
Sorry for the extra reply but this subject intrigues me... like I mentioned about the flag pole line.
It's visible in the pencil sketch but not in the photographs despite being those blurry here and there they have quite some details (ropes for example) but I can't see a flag pole line. Or it's time for glases (knock off on wood)....
Ofcourse I take in account that the flag pole is somewhat thinner than a rope, white-ish and thus blends away against the sky... but still the drawer took it in account while making his sketch.
The flag on the second attachment in my previous post not only has the double stars because of movement by the wind (less exposure time to capture it in a good way ? I'm not a photograper )...
The flag is also smaller maybe this due to the same effect ?
Then the 3rd picture allegdly taken on the 14th of april 1861. Which secession flag / regimental colour is it, white stars on an all blue-ish field ? It looks darker and I don't think I can make up stripes. So if the Stars and Banners are real in the pictures from the 1st post are they photo after the 14th of april 1861 ?
The difference between the right and left is remarkable to say the least. The left is more battle scarred than the right. Some parts that are white-ish in the left are dark in the right and vice versa.
And what are the construction materials if it's for construction that is ? Wood veneer or plybords ? The use of wood veneer is well established before the civil war but wiki (yeah I know dubieous) says that plybords were introduced to the states in 1865.
Maybe crates... ?
i'm not a photographer, expert / hobbyist with plywood, engineer in construction and such so if anybody has some insights please let us know
Well it's not plywood. Looks about 6 inches thick. If I had to guess, and that's all I can do from these pics, is that they are panels to lay down to roll cannons over so they don't get stuck in the mud, or in between bricks.
They look like what is covering that low structure to the left of center with the black Xs on the wall. No idea what is going on with that part. Not sure what that post on the left is about either. Best guess right now, is some kind of contraption, used like a crane, to lower those cannons into the pit they made.
Confidence level on each guess is low. Too many possibilities.
