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[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-28 03:16:41
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This entire story is very confusing no matter where you look from. I looked extensively for the name and found nothing. I do not think we can use Neopolus as something related to Napoleon.

Unless we find at least a single person predating Mr. Napoleon himself, we can consider this name to be purely made up.

His father was also a character.

• Carlo Buonaparte 1746-1785
• 17 y.o. - almost graduated from Pisa University as a lawyer at 17 years of age.
  • Carlo initially followed in his father's footsteps and studied to be a lawyer at Pisa University, but following a substantial inheritance from the death of his father, he left before earning his degree to tend to his inheritance and take charge of family responsibilities.
• 18 y.o. - For a period after his marriage at Ajaccio in 1764, he worked as a secretary and personal assistant to Pasquale Paoli.
• 20 y.o. - Paoli sent him to Rome to negotiate with Pope Clement XIII in 1766.

I'm sorry, those historians are so full of baloney. I'm not even talking about almost becoming a lawyer in the 18th century France. This "to negotiate with Pope" is what's hilarious.

Pope Clement XIII: born in 1693, and died in 1769. In 1766 Pope Clement XIII was 69 years old.

• So we have this 20 year old Carlo negotiating with 69 year old Pope.

Let us negotiate...

And Napoleon's mom - Letizia Ramolino

• 12 children in 16 years (I did not count the first one)

I think our narrative creators were under the influence of some serious substance.

 

[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-06-28 03:34:44
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It is possible to have that many children that quickly. My ex-husband was one of 16 children born in 22 years. His mother had 5 miscarriages so she was pregnant almost continually for 22 years.
The Neopolus connection IS a bit tenuous but possible. I have a very distant relative whose first name was "Cuff". No one else in the family had that name on either side of the family for as far back as anyone could trace. In 60 years I don't think I've ever met anyone else named "Cuff". I have a very unusual maiden name that is also the name of a piece of classical literature. Forty years ago I tried looking for genealogy information and found that there were only 65 people in the world with that last name. Last year I looked again and there are only 134 people in the world with that last name. I couldn't trace it back further than 2 generations which told me that some semi-literate outlaw in the ancestry decided to change his name.
Napoleon had a moneyed father but he himself seems to be more of a self-promoter than an actual achiever.
I have no idea how he came by that name . You've mentioned a connection with (not) Apollyon which sounds good on the surface but the stories we have of Napoleon's character and Christ's character are diametrically opposed. I don't deny that Napoleon sounds a lot like a corruption (or transliteration) of Apollyon but a lot of names/words sound like other names or words. Maybe his parents were hippies?

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-28 03:41:29
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Totally agree that the presented to us character of Napoleon is not Christ-like, but after reading his biography it looks like it was put together by several people and they did not communicate.

 

[SuperTrouper]

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Username: SuperTrouper
Date: 2019-06-28 03:42:01
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I would like to know who this uncle was.

I doubt that we have a single Napoleon prior to our Mr. Buonaparte.

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1500-2000

If you capitalise you get slightly different results...

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-28 03:43:15
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What's the earliest book we get there?

 

[SuperTrouper]

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Date: 2019-06-28 03:48:15
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What's the earliest book we get there?

Of Englishe Dogges: The Diuersities, the Names, the Natures, and the Properties, by John Caius. Apparently 1584, referring to a card game.

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-28 03:52:28
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Of Englishe Dogges: The Diuersities, the Names, the Natures, and the Properties, by John Caius. Apparently 1584, referring to a card game.

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This is 1881 book. If that's what print type was in like 1584, we are in trouble.

 

[SuperTrouper]

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Date: 2019-06-28 03:54:41
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This is 1881 book. If that's what print type was in like 1584, we are in trouble.

My bad.

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-28 03:55:19
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But I think there are a few books in there.

Who was Cardinal Napoleon?

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2019-06-28 03:56:34
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Of Englishe Dogges: The Diuersities, the Names, the Natures, and the Properties, by John Caius. Apparently 1584, referring to a card game.

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That's like naming your kid Canasta. It sounds pretty but it's the name of a card game! And yes, people have named their kids Canasta.

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-28 04:01:43
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Here is an 1870 book. I would like to know where they got this info from.

 

[SuperTrouper]

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Date: 2019-06-28 04:04:39
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Benedictine writer Cardinal Napoleon Orsini (1263–1342)?

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-28 04:17:46
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Raised from the dead he allegedly was this Napoleon Ursini. Who else was raised from the dead?

• 1772 An Essay on the Rosary and Sodality of the Most Holy Name of Jesus

From the same book, and this is not our 1812 Napoleon, but still is interesting. 2.5 traceable Napoleons in pre NB history, with one buried in 6 coffins, and the other one resurrected.

There is a bit in this book here, but it's in French.

Who knows what year this is?

 

[Archive]

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Username: Recognition
Date: 2019-06-28 11:09:08
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The idea of this political figure napoleon being identified with christ, the sun [son] god, the name (from the above quote) being identified with someone who was raised from the dead, all go with your theory that napoleon may have been a christ figure, however, something about it reminds me of that alleged quote from one of the popes that "the myth of christ has served us well'.

I know there is a simultaneous discussion of napoleon going on under KD's amazing hypothesised timeline, so i may reference what's said in those comments/article. Given that napoleon's storyline doesn't really paint him as a saint, it's hard to equate him with a christ figure imo. It's further confusing when you consider the multiple meanings of his name-the great destroyer, the sun (son of) god of archery, music and dance, truth and prophecy, and healing.

KD posted about napoleon potentially really being n' apollyon, earlier, and i'd like to look at that a little more closely. I'd like to preface this by saying someone posted a gematria calculator a while ago, and it really blew my mind. I'm convinced there are meanings and uses to our words and numbers that we are just learning about, but which the ancients used for "spell-ing" that we couldn't imagine

1. N in french, means 'not'. So is napoleon 'not' the destroyer or 'not' the sun god/son of god?

2. N in math is often used to represent integers.
in·te·ger
/ˈin(t)əjər/
1.
a whole number; a number that is not a fraction.
"integer values"
2.
a thing complete in itself.

So one idea is that he is 'not' the thing described, in the other he is the essential thing, complete to himself. Very interesting!

 

[Mabzynn]

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Date: 2019-06-28 11:16:28
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This entire story is very confusing no matter where you look from. I looked extensively for the name and found nothing. I do not think we can use Neopolus as something related to Napoleon.

Unless we find at least a single person predating Mr. Napoleon himself, we can consider this name to be purely made up.

His father was also a character.

• Carlo Buonaparte 1746-1785
• 17 y.o. - almost graduated from Pisa University as a lawyer at 17 years of age.
  • Carlo initially followed in his father's footsteps and studied to be a lawyer at Pisa University, but following a substantial inheritance from the death of his father, he left before earning his degree to tend to his inheritance and take charge of family responsibilities.
• 18 y.o. - For a period after his marriage at Ajaccio in 1764, he worked as a secretary and personal assistant to Pasquale Paoli.
• 20 y.o. - Paoli sent him to Rome to negotiate with Pope Clement XIII in 1766.

I'm sorry, those historians are so full of baloney. I'm not even talking about almost becoming a lawyer in the 18th century France. This "to negotiate with Pope" is what's hilarious.

Pope Clement XIII: born in 1693, and died in 1769. In 1766 Pope Clement XIII was 69 years old.

• So we have this 20 year old Carlo negotiating with 69 year old Pope.

Let us negotiate...
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And Napoleon's mom - Letizia Ramolino

• 12 children in 16 years (I did not count the first one)

I think our narrative creators were under the influence of some serious substance.

Not just that but who in the hell inherits a large sum of money and goes to work as a secretary within a year?

 

[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-06-28 11:47:09
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Who knows what year this is?

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Had to dig for my ancient roman numeral chart but did not see the "cI backward c" or "I backward c". The CXXVij= 127. C=100. XX=20. V=5. ij with lines over them (not dots) equals 2, so 100+20+5+2=127. If the I had a line over it, it would equal 50,000 which makes no sense. My chart goes all the way up to 100,000,000 but there are no backward "c's" in it. It may be a French thing, rather than purely Roman.

 

[Jef Demolder]

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Username: Jef Demolder
Date: 2019-06-28 14:32:15
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Which year? C-I-reversed-C stands for M. I-reversed-C stands voor D. So we have MDCXXVII, 1627.

 

[anotherlayer]

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Username: anotherlayer
Date: 2019-06-28 14:57:41
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Is everyone just gonna gloss over the relation to Orsini? The current head of the Orsini family is Domenico Napoleone Orsini. And the wikipidiot says:

The Bobone surname was lost with his children, who were called de domo filiorum Ursi. Two of them, Napoleone and Matteo Rosso the Great (1178–1246), considerably increased the prestige of the family.

The remaining princely family is represented by Prince Domenico Napoleone Orsini, Duke of Gravina (b. 1948). With no sons or male-line descendants, the heir to the dukedom of Gravina is his unmarried brother Don Benedetto Orsini (b. 1956), followed by his cousin Prince Raimondo Orsini d'Aragona (b. 1931).

 

[Timeshifter]

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Date: 2019-06-29 11:45:58
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Just came across this doc on you tube. Going to give it a viewing to see exactly what the napoleon narrative is, and to see if I can spot any glaring wtfs!

 

[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-06-29 19:07:19
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Just came across this doc on you tube. Going to give it a viewing to see exactly what the napoleon narrative is, and to see if I can spot any glaring wtfs!

They neglected to mention that Napoleon was an egomaniacal self-promoting liar that lost half his battles and willingly sacrificed his men if needed to promote his self-aggrandizement. They did mention that he poisoned his sick soldiers in order to be rid of the burden of them. What was surprising is that the narrator declares that Napoleon is some sort of idol to him. How could anyone think that sort of character is praise-worthy?