SH Archive New History - what is it?

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KD: Google Ngram is an interesting and useful tool. This tiny thread is just some food for thought. To be honest, at this point in time, I fully expected to see the above chart results for < new history >.

Back when history was still a boring subject, these two words - new history - incorporated into various history related book titles did not stand out as much as they do now. At least for me they do, for the words give a new meaning to the entire thing. When something is being advertised as new, it is probably not that old...

I'm just going to leave this here. If you have thoughts of your own to add, please do.

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-01-16 03:12:41
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Instructive and pleasing!
As opposed to?...
Is WEIRD. Patriotism takes on a new meaning, when you write your own story of how you want to be portrayed.
Kind of reaching. Fake it til you make it, I guess.

 

[JWW427]

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Username: JWW427
Date: 2020-01-16 04:01:52
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Every decade a "new" history of something arrives. Usually it is the same old BS stuff with just a little more spice and info.
My favorite?
Stuff like this:

"ALL you need to know about 19th century Paris." Etc. Etc. Etc.

Yeah, right. All THEY want you to know.
Ten bucks on the table says this site won't tell you about the 200 plus pyramids in China built by those dynasties.
Silly PTB academia, we're on to you!

 

[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-01-16 04:46:52
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I've been noticing new history as it's being made lately. Usually to serve a political agenda. For example, one of the headlines that popped up in my news feed was "ancient Norse runes warn of catastrophic climate crisis". Watched a TV show this week about an ice bridge that Solutreans used to cross the Atlantic into Chesapeake Bay long before "native Americans" arrived via Beringia from the north. Could all be true, of course, but I view the new history about like I view space science-you can't prove or disprove any of it. A LOT of archaeological discoveries are being made lately. Every day there are 4-6 new BS stories in my news feed we're expected to believe about our past. History is being rewritten as we speak. Must be time for a reset.

 

[feralimal]

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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-01-16 07:28:46
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These strike me as marketing/sales/PR pitches. A *new* something - must be better, right? Seems that this sales approach has a pedigree from the 1750s. The runes thing, that's about creating an instant sense of history to support a contemporary line of thinking: 'it's always been like this'.

It's amazing that we are so easily sold. We just need to be told words that play to some narrative and we're happy to swallow it.. Most of us anyway.

I love the ngram word occurrence tool. This is excellent for investigation.

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2020-01-16 08:25:15
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I've been noticing new history as it's being made lately. Usually to serve a political agenda. For example, one of the headlines that popped up in my news feed was "ancient Norse runes warn of catastrophic climate crisis". Watched a TV show this week about an ice bridge that Solutreans used to cross the Atlantic into Chesapeake Bay long before "native Americans" arrived via Beringia from the north. Could all be true, of course, but I view the new history about like I view space science-you can't prove or disprove any of it. A LOT of archaeological discoveries are being made lately. Every day there are 4-6 new BS stories in my news feed we're expected to believe about our past. History is being rewritten as we speak. Must be time for a reset.

I ve been thinking along these lines in the vein of articles that claim Newly discovered ------ that will rewrite history!!! I see them in my feeds everyday.

 

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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-01-16 08:46:44
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New History - what is it?
Whatever we are told it is.
A way to sell a book.
A phrase to sell a different history.
A phrase used to signify 'up to the minute' reasearch.

 

[feralimal]

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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-01-16 16:46:03
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It's somewhat off topic, but this prompted an interesting-ish word investigation for me.

I love the ngram word occurrence tool. This is excellent for investigation.

Strangely, after mentioning the ngram thing, I then bumped into this word - engram. Phonetically they sound the same, so I am considering them as the same.

From dictionary.com, Definition of engram | Dictionary.com:

a presumed encoding in neural tissue that provides a physical basis for the persistence of memory; a memory trace.

I guess this is the the metaphor google are refering to - the memory trace bit. And they are extending the metaphor to cover our 'history' and the traces they find in the evidence they can search.

However, there is also a further meaning. From wiki, Engram (Dianetics) - Wikipedia

An engram, as used in Dianetics and Scientology, is a detailed mental image or memory of a traumatic event from the past that occurred when an individual was partially or fully unconscious. It is considered to be pseudoscientific and is different from the meaning of "engram" in cognitive psychology. According to Dianetics and Scientology, from conception onwards, whenever something painful happens while the "analytic mind" is unconscious, engrams are supposedly being recorded and stored in an area of the mind Scientology calls the "reactive mind".

The term engram was coined in 1904 by the German scholar Richard Semon,[6] who defined it as a "stimulus impression" which could be reactivated by the recurrence of "the energetic conditions which ruled at the generation of the engram. L. Ron Hubbard re-used Semon's concept when he published Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health in 1950. He conceived of the engram as a form of "memory trace", an idea which had long existed in medicine.

So engram is also a Scientology term meaning "stimulus impression" that can be reactivated. I'm not really into magic or that side of things, but this sounds like a word spell thing.

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-02-28 02:21:47
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I’ve mentioned the possibility of archaeologists, anthropologists, etc. starting a huge data base where they could gather up all the information ‘out there’, then run different analyses. For instance, on ancient rulers, popes, etc. perhaps repeats and other anomalies could be seen.
they could have all the undergrads of the world adding old books, maps, etc.
of course they probably wouldn’t want internet discussions, or even formenko...but pretty soon they will start adding them in, I bet. It would be great if the data base was made public. i can’t believe it’s taken this long, or we just don’t know what they’re doing, or too much would be discovered...where is Google getting the ngram info back to the 1700’s? Perhaps their crawlers and spiders know all.
it will probably be when the younger people Really start moving up their ladder.

following is an article
Big Data Used to Create Comprehensive Map of Inca Settlements
They are using just one area and ‘time’, but also things like drone gps mapping.
(think they’ll collate the giant and cone head info? Joke)

Big Data Sources
One database, called LOGAR, includes collated information from the “Tasa de la Visita General,” a comprehensive record of the resettlement kept by the Spanish-appointed viceroy of Peru. Another, titled GeoPACHA, serves as a repository of new and existing imagery of these sites, from historical photos to current satellite images.

*sorry about my missing capitalization- this iPad is bad and I’ve gotten lazy about always correcting

 

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Username: Reichenbach
Date: 2020-02-28 03:20:51
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Could present day "New History" includes Wikipedia also ???

 

[BStankman]

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Username: BStankman
Date: 2020-02-28 10:43:39
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Fairly simple if you ask me.
It is a not so subtle way of reinforcing the false idea that the men that have come before you were fools, and simpletons.

And also disclosure on History. The telling of a lie only leads to new lies.

Take a look at History and progress. You will see structures we cannot replicate today, and works of literature from just 200-300 years ago at the very limits of current comprehension. No I guess they were just imbeciles with antiquated beliefs.