A closer look at this singular book specifically its telling of the past prior to 1845.
The expedition of de Soto consumed four years, during which, his adventures, among the various tribes and nations then teeming in these quiet regions, were diversified and full of the most romantic interest. A Governor out of his appointed post off exploring for four years then snuffing it whilst still exploring.
Reads like an episode of Star Trek where the entire bridge crew leave the ship to go exploring. Only difference is the Star Trek captains don't snuff it.
It gets dafter.
Not only a dead governor but 300 dead men to boot.
So 300 men who cannot have been in the best of health and having witnessed the loss of half their company, low I would guess on ammunition not to mention supplies, especially clobber and boots, were lucky enough to have among their number shipwrights, carpenters and sail makers, tools and materials not to mention sufficient knowledge of this unexplored regions tree species, to knock up seven wooden brigantines and take to the river. Not only that but there must have been at least seven men who knew how to sail boats and what the hell did they use for sails, their shirts?
Honestly no idea where Mr Normans friends lifted this nonsense from but my god.
The Indians of course being so numerous yet so stupid they didn't think to launch some canoes down the river thus ahead of the direction of travel of the 300 and trap them between their two groups of canoes nor sneak up to the brigantines in the night and either hole them, set fire to them or otherwise kill the 300 at the very least keep them on the move until exhaustion rendered them easy prey, so too speak.
Its pure boys own bullshit to my eye.
Contrast that with what Mr Norman had to say about antiquity in America on his trip to Cuba. Either he is a bare faced liar or he didn't read whatever his gentlemen friends lifted from those history books they consulted.
Again a complete contrast to what he wrote in the Cuba book.
Mr Wirt who was he?
Two men presumably in a canoe travelled up and down the river completely unmolested by any natives either on the river or adjacent to it. Quite remarkable given the 600/300's adventures.
Six years pass, god knows why Marquette and Joilet didn't have another bash in the meantime.
And de la Salle and seventeen men, in marked contrast to the two lone explorers and the 600 governor de soto took with him, were capable enough and fit enough, to knock up a fort and presumably man it. Of course no idea what a fort constituted but still. The men these explorers take with them have all the skills needed...for the story if nothing else.
Blimey he and his men did it again!
And again!!
And again!!
But this time they knocked up houses and cleared ground for agriculture to boot.
Reminds me of those wonder men the Romans who could do just about everything from fighting and subjugating to building whilst on their all conquering marches over Europe and here in Blighty.
Wonder what de la Salle did to warrant such an act?
Hello, these wild spirited men built forts, houses, sailed and cleared land for this man. Who the hell were they?
Presumably Frenchmen but who knows.
Eighteen years between some bloke sailing down and out of the Mississippi and a different bloke sailing into and up the Mississippi. Makes no sense to me.
Yet another fort builder. And this one buggers off to France to drum up some colonists.
I find it odd that the further through the chronology we get the exact numbers disappear. Hardy settlers and scientific men cannot have all been single.
And why does this French Canadian captain not seek men from French Canada which has to be much closer than France?
Again why long distance France when Canada was much closer?
It would appear from the text, the formerly good relations with the natives the two canoeists had found had soured again back to what it was during de sotos adventure, possibly to the point where the river northwards was no longer safe for the French and French Canadians to travel on but that said France is a long way off.
Why would the French government appoint a Scot to such a position?
Surely the language and accent differences would have caused misunderstanding if nothing else. Surely there were more able Frenchmen around.
Let's not even go into the obvious linguistic problems all of these these tales across the ages ignore.
That's it for now. I'll add more as and when as its interesting and revealing.
NEW ORLEANS AND ENVIRONS.
A BRIEF SKETCH OF THE DISCOVERY AND TERRITORIAL HISTORY OF LOUISIANA
A BRIEF SKETCH OF THE DISCOVERY AND TERRITORIAL HISTORY OF LOUISIANA
In consequence of the premature death of Ponce de Leon, the expedition was given up, and little more was known of these regions until 1538, when Hernandez de Soto, having been made Governor of Cuba, and Adelantado of Florida, undertook, with a company of six hundred men, to explore these his western dominions. He penetrated Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and Kentucky, and struck the Mississippi not far from the place now known as the Chickasaw Bluffs. Thence he passed over to the Red River, and descending that, had nearly reached its mouth, when he was seized with a sudden fever, and died. To prevent his body from falling into the hands of the Indians, it was sunk in the stream at the mouth of Red River, near its junction with "the father of waters."
The expedition of de Soto consumed four years, during which, his adventures, among the various tribes and nations then teeming in these quiet regions, were diversified and full of the most romantic interest. A Governor out of his appointed post off exploring for four years then snuffing it whilst still exploring.
Reads like an episode of Star Trek where the entire bridge crew leave the ship to go exploring. Only difference is the Star Trek captains don't snuff it.
It gets dafter.
He was succeeded in 1542 by Lewis de Moscoso, or Mucoso, who, with none of the address or enterprise of de Soto, found himself and his small company, now reduced by disease and constant warfare with the natives, to about three hundred men, encompassed with difficulty, and in danger of being entirely cut off.
Not only a dead governor but 300 dead men to boot.
They built seven brigantines, probably the first specimens of scientific ship building on the Mississippi, and then dropped down the river.
So 300 men who cannot have been in the best of health and having witnessed the loss of half their company, low I would guess on ammunition not to mention supplies, especially clobber and boots, were lucky enough to have among their number shipwrights, carpenters and sail makers, tools and materials not to mention sufficient knowledge of this unexplored regions tree species, to knock up seven wooden brigantines and take to the river. Not only that but there must have been at least seven men who knew how to sail boats and what the hell did they use for sails, their shirts?
Honestly no idea where Mr Normans friends lifted this nonsense from but my god.
Pursued by thousands of exasperated Indians in their canoes, harassed, wounded, and some of them slain, the miserable remnant at length found their way out of the river, about the middle of July.
The Indians of course being so numerous yet so stupid they didn't think to launch some canoes down the river thus ahead of the direction of travel of the 300 and trap them between their two groups of canoes nor sneak up to the brigantines in the night and either hole them, set fire to them or otherwise kill the 300 at the very least keep them on the move until exhaustion rendered them easy prey, so too speak.
Its pure boys own bullshit to my eye.
It is manifest from the narrative of de Soto's expedition, that a dense population once covered this whole territory. It is equally manifest that they were a race infinitely superior to the almost exterminated tribes which still remain. In the arts of what we term civilization, in the comforts and conveniences of social life, in the organization of society, in works of taste, in a knowledge of the principles, and an appreciation of the beauties of architecture, and in the application of the various mechanical powers requisite to the construction of buildings on a grand and magnificent scale, they may challenge comparison with some of the proudest nations of antiquity, in the old world.
Contrast that with what Mr Norman had to say about antiquity in America on his trip to Cuba. Either he is a bare faced liar or he didn't read whatever his gentlemen friends lifted from those history books they consulted.
What has become of those mysterious nations, we are at a loss to conjecture; but their works remain, though in ruins, eternal monuments of their genius and power. As far as they have been explored, they afford ample evidence that the appellation "New World" is an entire misnomer.
Again a complete contrast to what he wrote in the Cuba book.
As the eloquent Mr. Wirt once said—"This is the old World," and the day may come, when the antiquarian will find as much that is attractive and interesting in the time hallowed ruins and the almost buried cities, of America, as those of Pompeii and Herculaneum, of Thebes and Palmyra.
Mr Wirt who was he?
In 1673, Marquette, a French monk, and Joliet, a trader, starting from Quebec, traversed the great northern Lakes, ascended the Fox River to its source, made a small portage west to the Wisconsin, and descended that river to the Mississippi, where they arrived on the 7th of July. Committing themselves to the current, the two solitary travellers reached a village of the Illinois, near the mouth of the Missouri, where they were kindly received and hospitably entertained. After a brief stay, they proceeded down to a settlement of the Arkansas, near the river of that name. They did not proceed farther at this time, but returned to Quebec, by the same route, fully impressed with the belief that they could reach the Gulf of Mexico, by continuing their course on the great river.
Two men presumably in a canoe travelled up and down the river completely unmolested by any natives either on the river or adjacent to it. Quite remarkable given the 600/300's adventures.
Six years after the return of Marquette and Joliet, Robert, Chevalier de la Salle, commenced operations for a further exploration of the Mississippi. With seventeen men, he proceeded to the Little Miami, near the mouth of which he built a fort.
Six years pass, god knows why Marquette and Joilet didn't have another bash in the meantime.
And de la Salle and seventeen men, in marked contrast to the two lone explorers and the 600 governor de soto took with him, were capable enough and fit enough, to knock up a fort and presumably man it. Of course no idea what a fort constituted but still. The men these explorers take with them have all the skills needed...for the story if nothing else.
In his next voyage, having met with the same disappointment, he erected a fort in the Bay of St. Bernard, near the mouth of the Colorado.
Blimey he and his men did it again!
Ascending that river, about sixteen miles, he established another fort, which, however, he soon destroyed, and returned to the first settlement.
And again!!
Here he built houses, erected another fort, which he called St. Louis, and prepared the ground for cultivation.
And again!!
But this time they knocked up houses and cleared ground for agriculture to boot.
Reminds me of those wonder men the Romans who could do just about everything from fighting and subjugating to building whilst on their all conquering marches over Europe and here in Blighty.
At length, a conspiracy was formed among his own party, and he was cruelly murdered by Dehault, on the 19th of March, 1687, near the western branch of Trinity River. Thus fell, in the midst of his toils, and in the prime of his years, by the hand of an assassin, one of the most renowned adventurers of the 17th century—a man who may be justly claimed as an honor to the country that gave him birth.
Wonder what de la Salle did to warrant such an act?
He deserved a better fate. In cool courage, in hardy enterprise, and in fertility of resources, he was second only to Columbus. And in the power of subduing the wild spirits of his men, and bending all their energies to the one object before him, he displayed much of the sagacity and tact of that great navigator.
Hello, these wild spirited men built forts, houses, sailed and cleared land for this man. Who the hell were they?
Presumably Frenchmen but who knows.
In 1699, eighteen years after La Salle had demonstrated the connection of the Mississippi with the Gulf of Mexico, by passing out at its mouth, Iberville succeeded in entering it from the Gulf. Ascending as far as the junction of Red River, he returned, and proceeded, by way of the Gulf, into Lake Pontchartrain.
Eighteen years between some bloke sailing down and out of the Mississippi and a different bloke sailing into and up the Mississippi. Makes no sense to me.
He formed a settlement and erected a fort, at Biloxi, which he left under the command of his brother Bienville, while he returned to France, to induce others to join the colony.
Yet another fort builder. And this one buggers off to France to drum up some colonists.
Soon after he left, the new commander ascended the Mississippi as far as the present site of New Orleans. In returning, he met a British vessel of sixteen guns, under the command of Capt. Bard, who enquired the bearings of the great river, intimating that it was his intention to establish a colony upon its banks. Bienville, in reply, directed him to go farther west, and thus induced him to turn about; from which circumstance, the place of their meeting was called "The English Turn," a name which it retains to this day.
Iberville accompanied by a considerable accession of force, comprising hardy settlers, and scientific men, soon returned to the colony. Finding things in a promising condition, he proceeded up the river as far as Natchez, and planted a settlement there. Leaving Bienville and St. Denys in command, he again took leave, and sailed for France.
I find it odd that the further through the chronology we get the exact numbers disappear. Hardy settlers and scientific men cannot have all been single.
And why does this French Canadian captain not seek men from French Canada which has to be much closer than France?
Finding that they derived no immediate advantage from this new accession of territory, the French Government, in 1712, granted to Antonio Crozat, a rich merchant of Paris, the monopoly of the trade of Louisiana, which he surrendered back in 1717.
In 1717, a new charter was issued, under the style of "The Western Company," with the exclusive privilege of the trade of Louisiana for twenty-five years. Bienville was again chosen Governor, and in the following year, 1718, he laid the foundation of New Orleans.
Hitherto the pursuits of agriculture had been entirely neglected. Whether this neglect was attributable to the hostility of the Indians, compelling them to concentrate their little force in one spot, or to the flattering promises of trade, or to the illusive hope of discovering mines of gold, which occupied all their time, or to all these causes combined, we cannot now determine. We only know, that, up to this period, they had depended almost entirely upon supplies sent from France, for the common necessaries of life.
Again why long distance France when Canada was much closer?
It would appear from the text, the formerly good relations with the natives the two canoeists had found had soured again back to what it was during de sotos adventure, possibly to the point where the river northwards was no longer safe for the French and French Canadians to travel on but that said France is a long way off.
The chief personage in this "Western Company," was the notorious John Law, a Scotch financier, one of those universal speculators, who experiment upon every thing, human and divine, who revel only in change, and to whom mere innovation becomes the professional business of a life.
Why would the French government appoint a Scot to such a position?
Surely the language and accent differences would have caused misunderstanding if nothing else. Surely there were more able Frenchmen around.
Let's not even go into the obvious linguistic problems all of these these tales across the ages ignore.
That's it for now. I'll add more as and when as its interesting and revealing.
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