Objective Evidence for the God of Scripture?

I agree with you that gematria is possibly a better route, and I have been looking into that subject also. I would like to point out that the ELS codes in Scripture are distinctly different than other codes you could find in Hebrew texts. For example, the name of unidentified angels can be read in frequencies as low as 15, and the identity of the Two Witnesses can be read at a frequency of 67.

The God I am referring to is the one spoken of in the Hebrew/Christian Scriptures, and who is the divine inspiration for many of those writings.
I just saw a film about a deaf and dumb and blind person. Her name is Helen Keller. Then I read wiki about it and thought of God The Word: "Writing in her autobiography, The Story of My Life, Keller recalled the moment: "I stood still, my whole attention fixed upon the motions of her fingers. Suddenly I felt a misty consciousness as of something forgotten — a thrill of returning thought; and somehow the mystery of language was revealed to me. I knew then that w-a-t-e-r meant the wonderful cool something that was flowing over my hand. The living word awakened my soul, gave it light, hope, set it free!"[15] Keller quickly demanded that Sullivan sign the names of all the other familiar objects in her world." (WIKI) (You can watch the film on you-tube)

Consciousness, mind, words. Is there self-awareness without words? "God spoke" it is written. The proof is the word itself perhaps? So is the word spirit?
 
Lurking in the archives I found a post referencing an interview with one of the ruling bloodlines priest from 2008. His explanation gives insight into what god is and how he came to be including us. Basically the Gnostic's point of view about the Demiurge. Morals and everything we know as heavenly, godly or evil workings are up side down into this description of reality, but the mechanism that is at play it's quite interesting. The short version is only 4 pages, or you can read the whole interview Hidden Hand Interview With Hidden Hand, Alleged Ruling Bloodline Priest for a more comprehensive understanding.
If you're a religious believer in god you might dismiss it entirely. Personally I'll dismiss half of the claims in that transcript.
 
While I do believe the scriptures have been tampered with, the ELS evidence would require either a computer program to produce or a much, much superior mind.

Sure the law of averages dictate that ELS can occasionally be located in other writings but not prophetic ones synchronizing with the main text.

Newton believed there was a bible code and searched diligently for it as he was ahead of his time but didn't have access to a computer as we do today.

Michael Drosnin discovered that code and found many instances of hidden truths (God in us) and even a prophecy regarding assassination of a high ranking political leader. He met with the leader to warn him but was ignored. The leader was indeed assassinated. You won't find that in Harry Potter.
 
I've seen this before. It's a written example that you can take absolutely any book you want, and through the application of 'interpreting' things as you see fit and stringing them together in a specific way (via math, cryptograms, etc), make your book of choice 'say or reveal' anything you want. I honestly don't know why people go to all the trouble.

It's much easier to understand the bible by breaking down the stories, comparing them to the *exact* same stories from texts millennia older, and, you know, noticing that they're the exact same stories but the 'names have changed to protect the innocent'.
 
I've seen this before. It's a written example that you can take absolutely any book you want, and through the application of 'interpreting' things as you see fit and stringing them together in a specific way (via math, cryptograms, etc), make your book of choice 'say or reveal' anything you want. I honestly don't know why people go to all the trouble.

It's much easier to understand the bible by breaking down the stories, comparing them to the *exact* same stories from texts millennia older, and, you know, noticing that they're the exact same stories but the 'names have changed to protect the innocent'.
Millennia older? Says who? That’s the problem people have faked dates and histories for every part of the world. Besides why would I believe that something written survived that long and I tampered and if it did what makes the text true or special. If we were told biblical events happened in the 1800’s I’d bet many wouldn’t believe in the Bible, but “ancient-ness” takes on a whole other mystical nature for people.
 
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Millennia older? Says who? That’s the problem people have faked dates and histories for every part of the world. Besides why would I believe that something written survived that long and I tampered and if it did what makes the text true or special. If we were told biblical events happened in the 1800’s I’d bet many wouldn’t believe in the Bible, but “ancient-ness” takes on a whole other mystical nature for people.

You're right. I agree that the majority of recorded history has been tampered with and I won't use that as an example again. Nonetheless, if I were going to throw 'historical texts' out the window as pure BS, then the bible would be in the first lot tossed weather it was written a thousand years ago or last week. At its very core, it's a weapon designed to promote a specific set of thought patterns, fear and obedience. That's it. That's the 'message'. 'Believe in all this, or burn in the fires of hell forever'. Strictly from a perspective of an analysis of the writings, if you take the bible, the koran and the talmud and study them - you'll find striking similarities and patterns of style that provide powerful evidence that they were all written from minds with the same train of thought.
 
Couldn't get a Latvian to English translation. :(
The book isn't in Latvian. I'm sorry, i didn't care about the language of the website google search spat out for me.

The author also has downloadable e-books in Lulu.com

I posted mainly for the phenomena of ultra long equidistant letter sequences (having thousands letters between each letter of a sequence) depicted in the book. Author claims that you cannot add or remove a letter in manuscripts without making all these sequences disappear. Also claiming that the phenomena does not appear on translations of the books of the Bible - be it English, Latin or Greek.
 
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When I hit the translate button it says "oops cannot translate from Latvian".

I'll take your word for it that it's not Latvian.

The book I mentioned earlier shows the ELS in bible. I think he uses KJV.
 
Abracadabra => I will create as I speak
As a Prisca Theologian, living in the UNI-VERSE; This resonates with me highly.

I prefer not to pick and choose theologies from one culture over another; instead I look for my "proof" of my Creator within it's works. I believe firmly that all theologies are nothing more than a twisted divide and conquer scheme created to hide the perfection that has been here all along.

In my opinion; the best evidence for an Intelligent Designer, is not from ancient texts written by the hands of men; but rather mathematical patterns found repeated in all of the Creation.

The proof, is literally in the pudding. The "My god is better than your god" Is just a distraction/division tactic. Just as we discover the nature of a person through their actions, the nature of our Creator is right here all around us; yet we look towards men for answers, instead of looking within ourselves, and being more observant of the natural world around us.

It's called "Intelligent Design" for a reason.
 
I so enjoy this topic! My journey has led me on a similar path as many of you: QUESTION EVERYTHING!

I met the Lord when I was seven years old and He saved my life. He was very real, very present, spoke to me. Had I not listened, I would not be alive today. In my twenties, I began attending church...and found a lot of nonsense. Scripture used to oppress women into being nothing more than unpaid hookers, black labs, and maids. Husbands and fathers were given all the rights, while wives and daughters were taught "obey" "submit" or God would strike us with lightening, close our wombs, burn down our houses, and give our husbands' permission to cheat on us. I was in and out of my first marriage after 4 years because the church I attended SANCTIONED my husband having an affair, coerced me into allowing her to move into our house while she divorced her husband, then coached them both on divorcing me. Then the church pressured me to leave, saying I would be targeting their men for affairs. When I asked God why they made me leave, He laughed and said, "They won't let Me in either."

I learned in that church by their ugliness to seek the Lord alone, to trust His Voice instead of the voice of man, and man's interpretation of His Word. Was I a saint during this time? Nope. I made lots of mistakes!! And He didn't strike me with lightening after all. There were times that I could hear the disappointment in His Voice when I prayed to Him and He answered though. That hurt me more that getting burned by lightening, trust me. And the most painful part...His silence. Looking back I realize those times were well deserved, yet they hurt me very much.

A decade later, I choose to marry again. The promise (from the man not from God) was that we would be missionaries to Uganda, raise our kids on the mission field, homeschooling while he flew small planes for the ministry organization. My first clue that something was amiss was when the ministry director found out I was marrying this particular man. That was when I should have run. There were more and more red flags along the way, but I wanted to be the "good Christian wife". Three years into the marriage, he dropped the act, and I learned he had an severe addition to sex that he was unable to control. It didn't help that leaders in our church were swingers though. Yeah, that's a real thing. And because I wouldn't play along, I was attacked, isolated and mistreated by everyone in leadership including the pastor's wife (who later confessed to the congregation that she was having affairs with 14 year old boys).

Somewhere in the middle of all that weirdness, God asked me, "When will you believe who I say you are? Stop believing them."

After twelve years, I filed for divorce...endured the wrath of that very large church that had a lot of influence in our small town, was called all manner of ugly things, accused of affairs, etc. (by the people who were actually have the affairs...go figure). I wouldn't darken the door of a church again. Instead I went hiking, went for drives and bike rides and talked to God myself. And each day, He trusted me with fantastic wisdom, pointed me in the direct of REAL TRUTH (like showing me the videos for Stolen History, and leading me here), showed me how different versions of the Bible had been corrupted and why, and especially answered EVERY SINGLE PROMISE He had made to me. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

God has nothing to do with religion. He is EVERY thing to do with Relationship. He showed me a way of prayer was quite damaging to the evil forces, and part of that prayer even says, "Hide me in the Shadow of Your Wing, Lord" so that the enemy doesn't see me and I am safe. He especially answers that prayer often.

Each of us has to make our own journey with Him. It's starts by talking to Him. Exodus 33:11a "Thus the Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a friend to a friend..." WE can do this too. The more time you spend talking to Him, the more He will sort out your life, your relationships, your finances, your future, your job...everything. And He will teach you the most AMAZING things! If it helps, He had me start at the beginning, Genesis. I would write a chapter or a half chapter a day before I went to bed. I still do this, though I am only focused on the Torah, or first five books (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deutonomy). He has cautioned me about the New Testament, showed me data about the KJV, the Council of Nicia (sp) and King James forcing a patriarchal slant to the Bible meant to oppress women into subservient roles, when HE SAYS women are co heirs with Christ just like men are.

I could write a book here, lol...so I won't. I just encourage each of you to seek Him for yourselves. We are all walking different paths, have come from different backgrounds, and will live different futures. There isn't a "one size fits all" method to knowing God. He simply wants a very personal relationship with each one of us, like He had with Enoch (the descendant of Seth...not Cain's son) who never saw death but was translated to be with God. Now THAT is my kind of relationship!!
 
And what is a religion but a cult that over time becomes popular and thereby respected. Religions utilize cult phenomena, fear based programming, no different than the gov't uses cult phenomena and it does this frequently.
The only differences between a 'religion' and a 'cult' are the number of 'believers' and -- marketing.
And each day, He trusted me with fantastic wisdom, pointed me in the direct of REAL TRUTH (like showing me the videos for Stolen History, and leading me here), showed me how different versions of the Bible had been corrupted and why, and especially answered EVERY SINGLE PROMISE He had made to me. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
And it never occurred to you that these things happened because of what you did; because of your effort and work?
"Hide me in the Shadow of Your Wing, Lord" so that the enemy doesn't see me and I am safe. He especially answers that prayer often.
You're literally proving here that what a lot of us know about followers of the 'bible' already: it makes you weak, and it keeps you weak.
He has cautioned me about the New Testament, showed me data about the KJV, the Council of Nicia (sp) and King James forcing a patriarchal slant to the Bible meant to oppress women into subservient roles, when HE SAYS women are co heirs with Christ just like men are.
The only 'people' that I have ever heard speak like this have names that end in -stein, -burg, etc..
 
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The only differences between a 'religion' and a 'cult' are the number of 'believers' and -- marketing.

And it never occurred to you that these things happened because of what you did; because of your effort and work?

You're literally proving here that what a lot of us know about followers of the 'bible' already: it makes you weak, and it keeps you weak.

The only 'people' that I have ever heard speak like this have names that end in -stein, -burg, etc..
I agree highly with your first statement; but I think it's crucial to understand that once these boundaries are drawn up, it's extremely difficult to break them back down again; to leave the indoctrination of either or is a very difficult thing to do.

Most folks don't fathom that the power of their will does much more for them than faith. Will/Faith are two very strong; but equally different motivators. Your intention to achieve versus a belief that what you want to achieve is going to happen for you. Personally, in my belief I feel that our Creator favors the strong. (Turning the cheek is a great way to be slapped twice)

I do feel, that all 3 abrahamic religions do very little for women as a whole. Where as in nature, the feminine aspect is a MAJOR foundation. It seems as if all 3 of these religions have done what they could to destroy that foundation.
 
I so enjoy this topic! My journey has led me on a similar path as many of you: QUESTION EVERYTHING!

I met the Lord when I was seven years old and He saved my life. He was very real, very present, spoke to me. Had I not listened, I would not be alive today. In my twenties, I began attending church...and found a lot of nonsense. Scripture used to oppress women into being nothing more than unpaid hookers, black labs, and maids. Husbands and fathers were given all the rights, while wives and daughters were taught "obey" "submit" or God would strike us with lightening, close our wombs, burn down our houses, and give our husbands' permission to cheat on us. I was in and out of my first marriage after 4 years because the church I attended SANCTIONED my husband having an affair, coerced me into allowing her to move into our house while she divorced her husband, then coached them both on divorcing me. Then the church pressured me to leave, saying I would be targeting their men for affairs. When I asked God why they made me leave, He laughed and said, "They won't let Me in either."

I learned in that church by their ugliness to seek the Lord alone, to trust His Voice instead of the voice of man, and man's interpretation of His Word. Was I a saint during this time? Nope. I made lots of mistakes!! And He didn't strike me with lightening after all. There were times that I could hear the disappointment in His Voice when I prayed to Him and He answered though. That hurt me more that getting burned by lightening, trust me. And the most painful part...His silence. Looking back I realize those times were well deserved, yet they hurt me very much.

A decade later, I choose to marry again. The promise (from the man not from God) was that we would be missionaries to Uganda, raise our kids on the mission field, homeschooling while he flew small planes for the ministry organization. My first clue that something was amiss was when the ministry director found out I was marrying this particular man. That was when I should have run. There were more and more red flags along the way, but I wanted to be the "good Christian wife". Three years into the marriage, he dropped the act, and I learned he had an severe addition to sex that he was unable to control. It didn't help that leaders in our church were swingers though. Yeah, that's a real thing. And because I wouldn't play along, I was attacked, isolated and mistreated by everyone in leadership including the pastor's wife (who later confessed to the congregation that she was having affairs with 14 year old boys).

Somewhere in the middle of all that weirdness, God asked me, "When will you believe who I say you are? Stop believing them."

After twelve years, I filed for divorce...endured the wrath of that very large church that had a lot of influence in our small town, was called all manner of ugly things, accused of affairs, etc. (by the people who were actually have the affairs...go figure). I wouldn't darken the door of a church again. Instead I went hiking, went for drives and bike rides and talked to God myself. And each day, He trusted me with fantastic wisdom, pointed me in the direct of REAL TRUTH (like showing me the videos for Stolen History, and leading me here), showed me how different versions of the Bible had been corrupted and why, and especially answered EVERY SINGLE PROMISE He had made to me. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

God has nothing to do with religion. He is EVERY thing to do with Relationship. He showed me a way of prayer was quite damaging to the evil forces, and part of that prayer even says, "Hide me in the Shadow of Your Wing, Lord" so that the enemy doesn't see me and I am safe. He especially answers that prayer often.

Each of us has to make our own journey with Him. It's starts by talking to Him. Exodus 33:11a "Thus the Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a friend to a friend..." WE can do this too. The more time you spend talking to Him, the more He will sort out your life, your relationships, your finances, your future, your job...everything. And He will teach you the most AMAZING things! If it helps, He had me start at the beginning, Genesis. I would write a chapter or a half chapter a day before I went to bed. I still do this, though I am only focused on the Torah, or first five books (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deutonomy). He has cautioned me about the New Testament, showed me data about the KJV, the Council of Nicia (sp) and King James forcing a patriarchal slant to the Bible meant to oppress women into subservient roles, when HE SAYS women are co heirs with Christ just like men are.

I could write a book here, lol...so I won't. I just encourage each of you to seek Him for yourselves. We are all walking different paths, have come from different backgrounds, and will live different futures. There isn't a "one size fits all" method to knowing God. He simply wants a very personal relationship with each one of us, like He had with Enoch (the descendant of Seth...not Cain's son) who never saw death but was translated to be with God. Now THAT is my kind of relationship!!
One of the biggest problems with groups like the ones you mentioned is that they read verses in Scripture, but they ignore the context. While one verse on it's own may paint a picture of women being 'inferior', in the context of the entirety of Scripture, it more so paints the picture of equality but with separate roles that we were designed to fill. This poor line of thinking, taking verses out of context to support some kind of agenda, has plagued the church organization since the first century. At this point, any true believer should discard Christianity and organized religion as we know it, and actually read Scripture itself with a fresh eye. Everything previous generations believed should be re-examined with a critical eye, because you never know when someone injected their own agenda.
 
I agree highly with your first statement; but I think it's crucial to understand that once these boundaries are drawn up, it's extremely difficult to break them back down again; to leave the indoctrination of either or is a very difficult thing to do.
It really is difficult to let go of. Truly it is. That's what happens when the people that are supposed to love you the most spend the first 15-20 years of your life telling you to 'believe in this horseshit or burn in eternal literal hellfire'.

It's total psychological abuse on a nuclear scale.
Most folks don't fathom that the power of their will does much more for them than faith. Will/Faith are two very strong; but equally different motivators.
WIll is all. Faith is strong as well - but only when applied to ones fellow man. Faith applied to 'religion' or 'spirituality' is totally and completely hollow.
Your intention to achieve versus a belief that what you want to achieve is going to happen for you. Personally, in my belief I feel that our Creator favors the strong. (Turning the cheek is a great way to be slapped twice)
It's my experience that 'our Creator' - and I absolutely believe there are Creator(s) - have not a care in the world about what we do or think.
I do feel, that all 3 abrahamic religions do very little for women as a whole.
That's because they're control mechanisms - and they can be (and often are) modified on a whim simply by asserting that a 'verse' in 'the scripture' means something different than the last guy said it did. That's exactly why there are a gazillion flavors of 'christianity'
 
I don't agree with a lot of the history we have been taught, but you have yet to answer how Paul being a rabbi and the early church having some form of organization means its a psyop. You can't just say something, but then not provide evidence to back it.
I generally don't like tearing down anyone's belief system because it's usually nothing more than an exercise in ego but since you asked here is a link that provides one possible explanation.

https://www.selfpublishingreview.co...nity-a-weapon-of-ancient-rome-by-henry-davis/

Another theorized take on early Christianity is it was created by jews (Paul/Saul) to undermine the Roman empire as jews were at war with Rome. In many ways it's a master/slave religion creating submissive and easily manipulated people by promising a better afterlife if one suffers through whatever hell the masters are doling out in this life.
While I do believe the scriptures have been tampered with, the ELS evidence would require either a computer program to produce or a much, much superior mind.

Sure the law of averages dictate that ELS can occasionally be located in other writings but not prophetic ones synchronizing with the main text.

Newton believed there was a bible code and searched diligently for it as he was ahead of his time but didn't have access to a computer as we do today.

Michael Drosnin discovered that code and found many instances of hidden truths (God in us) and even a prophecy regarding assassination of a high ranking political leader. He met with the leader to warn him but was ignored. The leader was indeed assassinated. You won't find that in Harry Potter.
To play devils advocate, lets assume ELS message are encoded in the bible. God foretelling something like the twin towers collapsing (for example) in a bible code necessitates a predetermined outcome.

How is it that I'm to learn anything in this life via my free will if my every action is predetermined? I can't because I'm nothing more than a robot, doing God's preordained will. A Godbot if you will.

In that's how this universe works, I want my money back.
 
God foretelling something like the twin towers collapsing (for example) in a bible code necessitates a predetermined outcome.
The 'god' of the 'bible' creating a 'code' like that has a really, truly simple explanation:
The jews are running their playbook as planned.
How is it that I'm to learn anything in this life via my free will if my every action is predetermined? I can't because I'm nothing more than a robot, doing God's preordained will. A Godbot if you will.

In that's how this universe works, I want my money back.
I wouldn't blame you, lol!
 
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