SH Archive Portrait Comparison: Elston vs Stalin

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Felix Sumarokov-Elston

Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili aka Joseph Stalin

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Username: ISeenItFirst
Date: 2018-09-10 20:57:27
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Very similar looking. Stalin looks to have more arched eyebrows, particularly the right, where the other guy has less arch and the left is more prominent. Stalin looks a little saggier in the chin area as well.

Are we meant to conclude they are the same person? I could see it, but I'd need more than this.

 

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Username: Apollyon
Date: 2018-09-10 21:30:59
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Very similar looking. Stalin looks to have more arched eyebrows, particularly the right, where the other guy has less arch and the left is more prominent. Stalin looks a little saggier in the chin area as well.

Are we meant to conclude they are the same person? I could see it, but I'd need more than this.

No conclusion should be made other than to acknowledge such a glaring coincidence. It should raise an honest mans eyebrows that this dudes last name is almost an anagram for stalin. elston-stolen-stalin-alstin . Maybe he's his son maybe it's cloning who knows?

Nor can this coincidence be understood in a vacuum. the amount of photo manipulation we see coming out of the soviet government is staggering many image manipulations are acknowledge yet many still are presented to us as unedited photographs when we can clearly see they are not.

Were told and can see that this is a composite image meant to look like a photo

But this is 100 percent real...



or this

Here's the evidence we're given that before the revolution and the soviet saviors, the average russian looked as if they were straight out of a casting call for Oliver twist.

I can't think of a single reason why this image below showing the abdication of the czar would be painted in black a white in a clear attempt to make it seem like a photograph if it weren't meant to fool people. I mean clearly it isn't fooling us, we have the power of hind sight but the average russian at the time wouldn't think it was strange at all.

I hesitate to add these examples as it surely doesn't prove anything but here it is

Lenin x Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich


Trotsky x Kalinin

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-09-11 02:22:27
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Who is that guy in the first image of the OP? His uniform does not appear to belong to the 19th century. If I was to guess, it's like post WW2.

I'm lost. Are we discussing photo manipulations, or identical doubles here?

 

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Username: Apollyon
Date: 2018-09-11 03:14:26
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Who is that guy in the first image of the OP? His uniform does not appear to belong to the 19th century. If I was to guess, it's like post WW2.

I'm lost. Are we discussing photo manipulations, or identical doubles here?

That's Felix Sumarokov-Elston leader of the Kuban Cossacks father of the guy they say killed Rasputin who I don't believe was ever a real person. Supposed to have Died in 1877. That's the thing about these old photographs they need to be scowared for timeline inconsistencies. If the uniform isn't from the time then he isn't from the time. If he isn't from the time then wtf actually went down?

I don't have any real answers, this line of questioning came to me while perusing Sandra Romans extensive work

Армия Карусов - Главная страница

It's not the easyist thing to descifer she's not skilled at making things clear but she does make you think.

I found this recent article to be particularly easy to read compared to the others

Ответ на комментарий Николе -67 , отдельным постом, потому что получился большой.

Basically she thinks there was a huge war 1900-1956 between the police and the army. Police being Cossacks (red army) and what she calls the angels of the army carus "rulers of the world"(white army) she often talks of the house Conde and Czartoryski As being part of or leaders of this world army .

She's one of the main proponents of the idea that America and Russia were one state and spoke the same language until the Bolshevik revolutions

Army for America and Carus for Russia.

She's got some interesting points about the Cyrillic language and about what is and isn't translatable and how that was used to shape the current narrative.


It's incredibly difficult to wrap the mind around considering the language barrier I'm no less confused than you but I have found it worth while to try to understand and explore her ideas.

The thing is I don't know what to think about these two characters just that they look remarkably similar.

Sorry I'm on mobile if that was hard to understand.