SH Archive Single photo: 1908 New York, 5th Ave at 51st St

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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-01-21 22:19:59
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Lady on right with the hat and bow is painted in.
Bulbs look very similar to the detroit light tower bulbs likely carbon arc.
The big building on the left is venting steam presumably from water heating. The rectangular structure the right hand vent is connected two sports a pair of big chimney pots so is likely the boiler room chimney.
On the building opposite there are what appear to either huge air intakes or exhaust fan housings. There are also what appear to be a pair of antennas of some kind just to their left or could be windspeed measuring devices possibly connected with the fans?
Disguised or unseen factory of some sort behind the building we see as the same roofline has a coal/wood/gas cowl fitted chimney just to the right of the three fan?
I feel that building is either an apartment building or a hotel and the fans maybe early air conditioning.
There are a matching pair of very big chimneys or air vents in the roofline of the small gothic tower building with the cross on its roof on the left hand side of the street.
There is another much bigger one in the building next to the church. Could it and the others be masonry stove chimneys disguised for aesthetic reasons in what appersa to be an opulent neghbourhood?
The row of chimneys by the twin X flags look very germanic.
The statue of the chap building along the swan dragon metalwork feel very Dutch or Flemish.
There are a pair of wires running up to the pointy tower which could be phone/telegraph wires.
The neighbourhood feels to me like it s hosting a lot of embassy's.
just above the metal railing adjacent to the empty lot there is what appears to be word written/painted on the wall in white lettering but I cannot make out what it says.
What replaced all this is so inferior it is literally beyond belief.
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Username: Moriarty
Date: 2019-01-21 23:52:55
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That fireguy immediately reminded me of the pagan Jack in the Green, Spirit of Jack for seeing in the summer on May Day
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I am beginning to think we live in Westworld
 
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Username: nothingnew
Date: 2019-01-29 14:37:59
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The first image, eagle already lost his other head and wing. Could these buildings already been cleaned up or the tech disabled/removed?
 
I'm posting here a higher resolution version of this image for those who would like to further analyze it as well as a colorized version for clarity and a better feel of depth. You can see more easily Central Park for instance. Please note that this color version might not reflect the exact colors of the real things.
This was one the richest area of NYC. The inhabitants of those amazing mansions on the left would not appreciate the view of wooden poles with dangling wires. All wires were already buried under the street, hence the new tarmac.
On these enhanced pictures, it doesn't seem to me that the woman on the right is pasted in on painted. Both her and the old man with the straw hat seem attracted by some noise, something going on in or at the bottom of the building on the right.
Also, on the color image, the smoke is more visible. It clearly comes out the apt or hotel building behind the church. That church is still there BTW. The only survivor of the buildings visible here.
That church is still there BTW. The only survivor of the buildings visible here.

Correction: It seems it was destroyed after all. They 'simply' replaced it with a new one.
My bad...
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Well, in any case it sure demonstrates one century of degradation. From elegance to vulgarity and boredom.
 

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Aw geez. OK. Without getting too specific or into any of the well covered overall themes...
He got the big ass lectric buggy.
Whats up with these zamboni style contraptions. Is this the street vacuum team that used to roll 24/7.
Has he got his feet on a big ass seat?

Who dat? Holding fife or book?
Wild hardware on top, atmo energy? Or keeping giant ass birds from perching?
Who dat? What kind of demon beast he standing on? Who dem bitches getting looked down on.
Birds? Dragans? That dam tenna again.

Far away crosses antenna?
OMG IT'S FIREGUY!!
I know I seen this bitch in a video game. Looks like same guy above.


There is also a lot of the same type of, is it carved? is it cast? Masonry work. Super impressive buildings. All of the usual stuff.

That crazy looking fireguy. I can't place it, but it looks so familiar to me. The fireguy building had many of these panels, but the upper ones looked randomized, or something, not damaged. Everything else being perfect, you have to assume these were intentional. Reminded me of QR codes. Could those have been some other kind of information panel?

Some mythological figures on the roof? I'm not up on those, hopefully they ring a bell for someone here. Yeah, the guy/girl on top of the fishdragon thing looking down at those dogs is just wild.
The flags look like normal birds but the metal ones on the other building look kind of dragonlike.

I can't get over how much all that stuff on the roof peaks looks like giant bird deterrent.

Oh, and crazy vehicles. One electric, the others with horses. I don't see the purpose of the two vehicles on the right. Why so high up? The electric almost looks official with the writing on the back. And what is up with that horse on the left.

There is so much more could be said, this is a crazy picture. I like it.


From my little bit of research i believe that electric car you are looking at would be the Collumbia Surrey XIX. Its well documented we had electric vehicles back then and from what i can see they had many many different variations millage and power varying but the one we see can go 40miles before recharging which is fairly decent for the era.

So we did have the tech, but ignored it for close to 100 years, Seems a little fishy. However could be that they were just useless compared to the ICE which it was at the time, or too dangerous to operate?
 

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I'm posting here a higher resolution version of this image for those who would like to further analyze it as well as a colorized version for clarity and a better feel of depth. You can see more easily Central Park for instance. Please note that this color version might not reflect the exact colors of the real things.
This was one the richest area of NYC. The inhabitants of those amazing mansions on the left would not appreciate the view of wooden poles with dangling wires. All wires were already buried under the street, hence the new tarmac.
On these enhanced pictures, it doesn't seem to me that the woman on the right is pasted in on painted. Both her and the old man with the straw hat seem attracted by some noise, something going on in or at the bottom of the building on the right.
Also, on the color image, the smoke is more visible. It clearly comes out the apt or hotel building behind the church. That church is still there BTW. The only survivor of the buildings visible here.


Correction: It seems it was destroyed after all. They 'simply' replaced it with a new one.
My bad...
Well, in any case it sure demonstrates one century of degradation. From elegance to vulgarity and boredom.
Ok, I see it much more clear in color version. I will try to explain to you, modern city boys some details here, as I see you are not accustomed to old technology. I am from eastern Europe, and remnants of those old technologies were around me till 20 years ago, so I will try to defend some details and give credibility to this photo:
1. Man on the roof - 99,9% it is a chimney man. See that dark uniform, and hat that every chimney man has. He also seems in relaxed position, as he is very accustomed to heights. I would say that "book he is holding" is shadow, or some sort of tool (bucket for ash, or lunchbox?) that is dark and in shadow. I would say that he is holding hands in his pockets, after the work is just done, he is enjoying the view, as he has rarely been in such a rich and nice neighborhood.
2. electric carriage - in 1908, that was not such a rarity. This technology was know to man for 20 years until this pic was taken. Yes, electric motor was first, but back then they also knew how hazardous battery is, and how short life it has, so they stopped to produce it and started to make a diesel engine, which was/is still better, and it is not so hazardous (yes, electric motor is not great, because batteries are made from cobalt, very rare and poisonous material - where we should dump a few billions of those? I think, if we would have electric motor only, for a 150 years, we would be all dead, because of how much batteries is that in rivers, seas, and under ground? And we would travel slow, as every few hundred miles you need to fill the battery for a few hours)
3. lady in lower right corner is not added, because it has a photo blur around, it means she was in movement when photo was snapped. Nobody was added here, I know how that looks on old photos.
4. these "antennas" are lightning rods, except those strange ones, that look like tree branches, I have seen them in my town sometimes, but not sure why are they in that form.
5. roofs are very narrow, and in combination with spikes, no bird could sit and shit on the roof. At least, it was rare.
6. "half of roman eagle" is wind measure (how fast and in which direction it blows - there was no weather cast in 1908.!)
7. Those "x-flags" could be some factory logo, not sure about it.
8. There is no wires, as they were under the ground, as they should be, but as we reproduce like some kind of planetary pest, we would have to dig whole streets to do so in modern times. Everything is nicer when there are not millions of people around it.
9. You can also have those beautiful houses built now, but nobody wants to pay stone masons to do that, as they are expensive (they are artists with university diplomas!) That kind of house today would be 10 times more expensive than ordinary house of same size! But it is very possible to do that today!
10. Poison Ivy grows very fast, in a few years it would be those size. I have it on my house, you can not trim it enough!
11. All of those does not mean it is everything according to the narrative, but there was a technology, and it was very expensive, reserved for rich, as it is now. And you listened to stories from your modest grandpa, so you think there was none. Truth is, he did not know that there is technology, as he was illiterate and working in the fields. Same as my father does not know anything about Tik-Tok, foldable phones, lasers, and much more. If I listened only to him (as your father was listening to your grandpa stories- there was no tv and radio in poor parts of states, and majority lives there), I would also not know about anything new.

P.S. clean streets - only in those, rich parts of town. Everything else was dirty as hell, including people. And it is easy to maintain clean streets when there are no idiots who think graffiti is art, and that everybody is an artist.
 

1. Man on the roof - 99,9% it is a chimney man. See that dark uniform, and hat that every chimney man has. He also seems in relaxed position, as he is very accustomed to heights. I would say that "book he is holding" is shadow, or some sort of tool (bucket for ash, or lunchbox?) that is dark and in shadow. I would say that he is holding hands in his pockets, after the work is just done, he is enjoying the view, as he has rarely been in such a rich and nice neighborhood.

I found other pictures of the same palaces (all occupied by the Vanderbilt family). The pictures seem to pre-date the previous one and are not as clear. But it appears that the chimney man is a sculpture after all.

Vanderbilt_Mansion_at_660_Fifth_Avenue_ups_.jpg
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William-K-Vanderbilt-House-Fifth-Avenue-NYC_ups_.jpg
William-K-Vanderbilt-House-Fifth-Avenue-NYC_ups_colorSAI.jpg
vanderbilt-residence_ups.jpg
vanderbilt-residence_ups_colorSAI.jpg
 
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