SH Archive Sodom and Gomorrah are at the bottom of the Dead Sea

[KD Archive]

For centuries people knew exactly where Sodom and Gomorrah once stood. The ruins of the Biblical cities were apparently still visible as late as 1650. Only with the approach of the 19th century did we conveniently forget where to look for the famous cities of sin. Their sins we could debate at a later date, but for right now let us point our ever-blind and ignorant archaeologists in the right direction. Before we get into the grid coordinates, let's see what the official version says.

Wikipedia, "There are other stories and historical names which bear a resemblance to the biblical stories of Sodom and Gomorrah. Some possible natural explanations for the events described have been proposed, but no widely accepted or strongly verified sites for the cities have been found. Of the five "cities of the plain", only Bela, modern-day Zoara, is securely identified, and it remained a settlement long after the biblical period." There is a whole bunch of additional worthless information in the wiki article, none of which points to the obvious. It starts to look, and sound like our overzealous archaeologists are working hard at not finding anything on purpose.

We have 5 cities which were allegedly punished by God. According to the Torah, the kingdoms of Sodom and Gomorrah were allied with the cities of Admah, Zeboim, and Bela. These five cities, also known as the "cities of the plain", were situated on the Jordan River plain in the southern region of the land of Canaan.

Divine judgment by God was passed upon Sodom and Gomorrah and two neighboring cities, which were completely consumed by fire and brimstone. Neighboring Bela was the only city to be spared.

• Sodom - destroyed
• Gomorrah - destroyed
• Admah - destroyed
• Zeboim - destroyed
• Bela - spared

As can be seen, 4 cities were destroyed, and neighboring Bela was spared. Bela was allegedly identified as modern-day Zoara. I think they deliberately placed Bela/Zoara at a wrong location, for Zoara is definitely not a neighboring city to the destroyed Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboim. These 4 are still at large, and some even question their existence in first place.

Sodom and Gomorrah
+ neighboring Admah and Zeboim
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The below presented maps cover years 1540 - 1753. Supposedly these 4 cities were destroyed between 2000 BC and 1900 BC (according the Biblical Timeline). I find it tremendously suspicious that the memory of their exact location made it through 3,750 years of history, including the periods below, but then somehow got lost.

• Bronze Age
• Iron Age
• Ancient History
• Classical Antiquity
• Post-Classical Antiquity
• Middle Ages
• Early Modern Period

Yup, people knew where Sodom and Gomorrah were located all the way untill the late modern period which began approximately in the mid-18th century. The knowledge was mysteriously lost when book printing, map making and the Age of Discovery were in full swing.

KD: I do not believe for a second that there were thousands of years between the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra, and the first of the maps below. If I was to guess the time frame, I'd go with 1,000 AD -1,400 AD on the conventional time scale.

The Maps​

We will take a look at a couple of specific map cutouts first. They provide us with some interesting information.

1586
Historical map of Israel, Canaan with the Wanderings of Abraham.
Printed around 1595 in Antwerp


Abrahami Patriarchae Peregrinatio Et Vita
Abrahami Patriarchae Peregrinatio Et Vita
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Note: on the above Ortelius map with 1586 contents we can see that the Dead Sea does not exist yet. The river Jordan is flowing freely through "plains" which will eventually become the Dead Sea.

1651
Canaan - Jerusalem

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1720
Two maps on one page.
A modern 1720 map and an ancient map of the Holy Land.

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• here was Sodom, and its remains could be seen until 1650
• here was Gomorrah

• This sea, which is surrounded by high mountains, is 25 leagues long, and five broad, filled with black bitumen (asphalt) and tips, and its edges covered with a species of talc or niter.
• Arabs crossed the Dead Sea on their Camels.

Essentially what we get is the sea with no water. Apparently, it was claimed that the dead Sea was filled with asphalt and Arabs rode their camels to travel across the Dead Sea.

Wiki: These five cities, also known as the "cities of the plain", were situated on the Jordan River plain in the southern region of the land of Canaan.

• In geography, a plain is a flat, sweeping landmass that generally does not change much in elevation. Plains occur as lowlands along the bottoms of valleys or on the doorsteps of mountains, as coastal plains, and as plateaus or uplands.

KD: It almost appears that the Dead Sea, was already dead (dried up) back when Sodom, Gomorra, Admah and Zeboim were built. I have no clue why it was paved with asphalt, but that sounds geographically "plain".

1655
Holy Land

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Asphalt Lake | former Salt Lake

This 1655 map has to be viewed on the source site. It is so detailed, that I am unable to do it justice by pasting cut outs here. It gives as a pretty good idea of where these 4 lost cities once stood.

1692
A depiction of Canaan, by Philip Lea

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Maps: 1540 - 1753​

All of the below maps contain the cities which are presumably either lost, or have never existed. There is plenty of additional info within the maps pertaining to the topic of this thread. If you are good with translating things, please contribute.

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Source of all the above maps. The link will take you to the search results. Simply pick a year on the left side of the screen and investigate away.

Sulphur Weapons ​

"Fire and brimstone is an idiomatic expression of referring to God's wrath in the Hebrew Bible. In the Bible, it often appears in reference to the fate of the unfaithful. Brimstone, an archaic term synonymous with sulfur, evokes the acrid odor of sulphur dioxide given off by lightning strikes. Lightning was understood as divine punishment by many ancient religions; the association of sulphur with God's retribution is common in the Bible." - Wikipedia

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"Likewise as it was in the days of Lot - they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom fire and sulphur rained from heaven and destroyed them all - so will it be on the day when the Son of man is revealed."

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Forbidden Archaeology: Sodom and Gomorrah - Gentlemen in this article think that they found the lost cities. Well, that I'm not so sure of, but they sure did locate millions of balls of sulphur around the Dead Sea. Allegedly this is like 90% pure sulphur which does not exist in this state in nature. This source is not the only one as far as Dead Sea sulphur goes.

• Dangerous Journeys of a Bible Runner
• Sodom and Gomorrah

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KD: I think that our not-so-lost cities are at the bottom of the today's Dead Sea. Its depth is allegedly 1,000 feet, so I'm not sure how that works. If it used to be a regular dried out salt lake which was covered in asphalt at some point, then where did 300 meters of water come from. May be the entire area got flooded to hide this enormous carnage scene. May be it got flooded because they were unable to destroy everything they wanted to destroy.

• Or may be because these cities were situated in the land of Canaan. Cynocephali people, including Cynocephalus Saint Christopher were Canaanite.
• Some food for thought: ...in reference to a possible connection there > Canine - Canaan - Canaanite

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Zoar - Bela
was here

Today's Map​

As far as I understand, the asphalt lake did not go below the red line back then.

KD summary: I seriously doubt archaeologists want to find these cities. Have they ever looked for those at the bottom of the dead Sea?

Update - @esgee1 found an 18 year old article confirming the above:

Michael Sanders and an international team of researchers discovered what appear to be the salt-encrusted remains of ancient settlements on the seabed after several fraught weeks diving in a mini submarine. Mr Sanders, a Briton who is now based in the United States, said yesterday that he was "immensely excited" about the find, and he is already planning a follow-up expedition.

He said: "The evidence cannot be ignored. I predicted there must be something extraordinary there and, lo and behold, there was. What we found matches exactly what the remains of an ancient city might look like."

Soddom and Gomorrah found at bottom of Dead Sea

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The area was a zone of giants according to the bible, which mentions many of these peoples: Nabataeans (they were allies of Egypt according to lei), Moabites, Edomites, Philistines, Ammonites.

The Post-Flood Giants

In addition to Genesis, the term giant is used again to designate different peoples:

Numbers: "When Moses sent the spies to the land of Canaan, they returned with the news that giants lived there" (Num. 13:33): "We also saw giants there, sons of Anac, a race of giants: and we were we, in our opinion, like locusts; and so we seemed to them. "

Deuteronomy: "The Emitas inhabited it before, a great and numerous people, and high as the sons of Anak. They were also considered giants, like the sons of Anak; and the Moabites call them Emitas. Because only Og king of Bashan had is left of the rest of the giants. His bed, an iron bed, is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Its length is nine cubits, and its width four cubits, according to a man's cubit. " (Deuteronomy 2:10, 2:11, 3:11)

Ecclesiasticus: (a deuterocanonical book) "Didn't (David) as a young man kill a giant and remove the shame of the people, when he slingshots a stone with his sling and struck down the arrogance of Goliath?" (Ecclesiastical 47: 4)

Baruch: (a deuterocanonical book) "There were born the famous giants of the first times, of great stature and experts in war. But it was not them whom God chose and gave them the path of science; they perished for their lack of discernment, they perished through their folly. " (Baruch 3:26, 3:27, 3:28)

Book of Wisdom: (a Deuterocanonical book of the Bible) "So also, at the beginning, when the proud giants died, the hope of the world took refuge in a raft (Noah's Ark) that, led by your hand (Yahweh), left the world the seed of a new humanity. " (Wisdom 14: 6)

Rephaites.
They are spoken of as an ancient Canaanite tribe, living in the hills of Judah and on the Philistine plain (Hebron, Debir, Anab, Gaza, Gath, Ashdod).

Original inhabitants of Canaan, occupying Lebanon and the Mount Hermon area, they separated north of the coast of Syria and Transjordan where they built a chain of fortified cities. They lived in the region later occupied by the Moabites and the Ammonites, the former called them emitas, and the latter called them Zomzomeans.

In patriarchal times, King Chedorlaomer and his allies subjugated them when they invaded Transjordan. In the western part of Palestine, they allied and interbred with the Caftorim, who had come from Crete and settled in the coastal areas, being known as Philistines and Phoenicians. In the biblical story in which "Israel defeats Og king of Bashan", it is pointed out that after the campaign for different territories,

Because only Og king of Bashan had remained of the rest of the giants. His bed, an iron bed, is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Its length is 9 cubits, and its width 4 cubits, according to a man's cubit.
Deutoronomy 3.11
The Philistine Goliath would have been a Rephaite and measured six cubits and a span in height (about 2.9 m), his brother was a giant named Lahmi ("of bread" or "of Lahmu").

Source :Giants in the Bible


Petra easily enters this area of giants SH Archive - Petra: The melted city

 

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"The Dead Sea, to the east, has spires peeking from its depths, the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah."

"spires of the submerged cities of Sodom and Gomorrah protruding from the Dead Sea (upper right)"

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