SH Archive Something is very fishy with the tides
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Gravity is what holds the planets in orbit around the sun and what keeps the moon in orbit around Earth. The gravitational pull of the moon pulls the seas towards it, causing the ocean tides. Gravity creates stars and planets by pulling together the material from which they are made.
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It’s fairly obvious that all this gravity based Moon tide thing is a bunch of non-sense.
- Moon gravity: 1.62 m/s2
- Sun gravity: 274 m/s2
Sun influenced tides should make our planet look like a large washing machine. This is obviously not the case. I’m not gonna be posting that gravitational gradient BS explanation of why this is not happening. It can be found on Wikipedia. The pull is strong enough for the planet, but too week to proportionately influence the waters.
It’s their style to convolute the issue to the point where normal people just give up and have to rely on smart pseudo scientists.
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And here is why groundwater does not get squeezed out to the surface with Moon passage.The gravity change from Earth tides squeezes the sediment, and therefore changes the pressure of the water in the pores. The atmospheric tides add to the weight that is sitting on top of the groundwater and cause a change in stress that results in a downward squeezing.
LOL. Groundwater is actually being pushed down instead of being pulled.
Scientists clearly do all they can to force their non working model instead of saying how it actually is.
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I find the idea that the moon's effect on tides is due to electromagnetism rather than gravity to be very interesting. If that's really the case, then it's very sneaky of the establishment indeed, hiding the full truth inside of a half truth so that people don't ask deeper questions. It wouldn't be the first time, that's for sure.
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1. Salt water conducts electricity.
2. The sun and moon are hovering over our oceans, getting their charge from that water. (If you already believe that you live on a planet floating through space, it shouldn't be difficult to understand this.) They give their own light (each, respectively).
Genesis Chapter 1:
- 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
- 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
- 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
- 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
- 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
- 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Genesis Chapter 11:
- 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
- 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
- 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
- 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
- 10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
- 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
5. This explains why certain areas do not experience tides. The greatest tidal zones are nearer the openings to "the deep."
*The salt in the oceans comes from the tears of clowns.
Thank you Puddles.
In order to get you to believe the contrived nonsense, they break your will, and intellect, with whimsical mathematical creations:
The physical world needs not some Good Will Hunting computation to understand; your senses are enough.
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I have been contemplating this for a bit now too! I never thought about it before and wonder why the ocean is SOOOO salty to the point of being undrinkable. I am beginning to think that massive electric discharges, the kind that the Thunderbolts folks discuss brilliantly in their documentaries ( which if you haven't seen the one on Mars, then please go see it), have been a primary cause for the incredible salinity content in our oceans. I think massive electric discharges caused the Grand Canyon and other spots and the pulverization of the earth caused a massive increase in dust/salts in the atmosphere and later into the ocean's water. Furthermore, if there was a crustal displacement, or just somekind of widespread flooding event(mudflood), wouldn't the runoff have crap tons of salts from the soil? Way more then the normal hydrologic cycle would produce. Or maybe the 40 days and 40 nights of rain, storm, etc from the biblical story of Noah...caused so much runoff, it greatly increased salinity. My thinking is that the salinity has increased and was not always the case here on Earth. Also, if salty water is what is actually being 'tugged' by the Moon, maybe its mega huge 'salt ponds' at the bottoms of ocean's ( that probably could be QUITE voluminous ), that get moved, but since they are covered by less dense salt water, the less dense stuff has to move also. From our point of view it looks like tides.
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@Trouvare Sorry but that last picture seems pretty misleading. The bottom picture is what is happening all the time. The top picture is what you observe as those rays are going into your eyes. Bottom picture: forest. Top picture: you seeing the tree falling.
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Saltwater pushes up through the layers of rocks & is being filtered into fresh water.
The lakes & rivers @ the bottom of the ocean are denser saltwater.
This denser saltwater should push up in the same way through layers of sediments as the ocean saltwater pushes up.
This would increase salinity over time. Read once the original ocean had the same salinity we have in our body, blood, which is 0,9 %.
The salinity of the ocean is about 3,6 %. Dead sea shall have 33,7 %, you float.
Now I wonder abt those 33,7 %, as Sole is said to be saturated @ 26% ?
There r some electric/magnetic forces that pull or push the saltwater to move in large vortexes.
Like around New Zealand.
Here is an animated map of the tidal waves, but distorted to fit the official gloBAAL narrative
This thread just reminded of some articles I saw sometime back in case anyone is interested
The Trouble with Tides, by Miles Mathis
More Trouble with Tides, by Miles Mathis
the solution to tides by Miles Mathis
The Solution to Tides part 2 by Miles Mathis
the solution to tides part 3 by Miles Mathis
http://milesmathis.com/tide7.pdf
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Tidal theory is one of the biggest messes in contemporary physics. I will start with tides on the Earth, since they have gotten the most attention and the most theory. We know the ocean tides are caused by the Moon, since they follow lunar cycles. But are they caused by the Moon’s gravity? Let’s look at some numbers. Let’s compare the Sun’s field to the Moon’s field, at the Earth.
aS = force on the Earth by the Sun
aM = force on the Earth by the Moon
aS = GMS/r2
= .006 m/s2
aM = GMM/r2
= .000033 m/s2
You can see that the Sun has a much stronger gravitational effect on the Earth, if we look strictly at field strength. We could have guessed this without the math, since if the Moon had a stronger gravitational effect, we would be orbiting it, not the Sun. If tides are caused by gravity, then it seems like we should be experiencing Sun tides that utterly swamped our Moon tides. By the math above, Sun tides would be about 180 times as great as Moon tides, making the Moon tides invisible. They would follow the movements of the Sun overhead.
Why aren’t we experiencing Sun tides that are stronger than Moon tides?"
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Correlation does not equal causation. All we know is that the two cycles appear to be the same.
I was just talking with another member about the Casimir Effect and a couple links that fit in here. First off let's simply this business of gravitational forces. Einstein's General Relativity said gravity was a distortion of spacetime; or alternatively explained as motion in curved spacetime.
Watch this 90 second clip.
The thing to keep in mind is that Einsteinian Physics generally offers clever and seemingly logical explanations for cause and effect, but it is highly probable that these explanations are at best partial explanations, and at worst they are entirely incorrect altogether. I'll leave to others to ponder the complexities of how bodies of water would be shifted according to the physics of Einstein.
Water itself is rather mysterious and appears to be far more mysterious than previously imagined.
Professor Brian Josephson – CymaScope – Royal Society of Medicine – John Reid – Becoming Borealis
As an addition to the mysterious ways of water, it also figures big in Ufology, and take this example which I personally find highly interesting due to the date, the supposed alien, and the reporting party. This is one of the earliest post World War II Ufo reports. Notice the location and date puts this property in British Possession.
Encounter near Paarl Cape Town, South Africa, in spring 1951
Then there's the saline content of water and magneto~hydrodynamics.
Magnetohydrodynamics - Wikipedia
MHD Propulsion
Magnetohydrodynamic drive - Wikipedia
What's taking place in whole is probably not yet possible to understand with our current models. As Scottfreeman points out, correlation does not equal causation, and in this sense Einsteinian Physics is geared to explain cause and effect with correlations. Many of which have been called in to question.
Now Take a look at the Casimir Effect and the descriptions of what's taking place as described by Quantum Physics: The gist of which is, that the closer the plates, the greater the energy potential exist, because (black hole in the official explanation) the vacuum force grows which acts to pull the plates together. Casimir effect - Wikipedia
However, if I understand Ken Wheeler's dielectric simplex theory correctly, and when considering the moon's correlation as a mass, then when masses move towards each other, come closer, then the dielectric counterspace between the masses should be undergoing a compression. This compression causes a depression towards counterspace (the vacuum in Quantum Theory), and is akin to what takes place with the Casimir Effect.
Uncovering the missing Secrets of Magnetism : Ken L Wheeler : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
In other words, and this fairly complex and not simple at all, there is an increase in pressure changes which would be relative to two magnetic fields interacting, and which can only be seen as complex given the nature of how magnets moving towards one another create pressure variations as the dielectric inertia plane compresses.
This would really take some serious computer modeling to even begin to forecast predictive outcomes, and even that wouldn't be taking in to account the known proven effects which take place when magnetic fields interact with electrically conductive fluids such as in MHD Drives, and obviously salt water bodies are greatly effected as compared to fresh water.
Over all I don't think we have a great enough understanding to really understand the phenomena of why some places do tides and others don't when there doesn't seem to be any reason for the discrepancy. Really it seems like this may be a fine example which truly shows how little we really understand about the true physic of nature.
With the Casimir Effect we have to ask why there is a vacuum in the first place? I mean this isn't logical. Should be just two metal plates coming together, but since it does create a vacuum then how is this taking place? Like WTH?
Here I find Quantum Theory again seriously lacking and so if we use Ken Wheeler's dielectric simplex field theory the following seems to be taking place, and the idea here is that this same action is taking place between the moon and the earth.
The Casimir Effect is producing is a pressure which is towards the vacuum, and how that occurs is that as the space between the plates shrink the area surrounding the plates does not shrink at the same rate, and therefore the surrounding pressure created along the peripheral edges of the plates pushes inwards towards a center point between the plates, and which is also being done with greater pressure as the volumetric opening is decreased and as the space between the plates decreases.
We therefore have an increase in pressure feed by the peripheral since the (*relative) volumetric area along the peripheral increases as the space between the plates decreases, and thus the exterior pressure pushes inwards upon a center point. This pressure collapses our space back towards counter~space and at some point may create a hole to the counter~spatial vacuum and whereupon the creation of a hole back to counter~space creates the point where maximum energy potential is obtained. The Casimir Effect is actually creating a hole connecting with counter-space and which is the dielectric energy field of counter~space; the so called quantum vacuum in contemporary lexicon.
Yes to the above.
REALITY
The truth is more simple than complicated conjecture. The school says learning have had to make up so much stuff, too complicated and confusing to dilute us and to make it seem like we really need their teachers. Science is the same way. It's as if we think we have to have their professional scientist in order to no even the most common things. Things that should be obvious if we were not duped so many times in our lives. Most of our minds are kind of messed up right now. But goodness ahead. Think of how peaceful and felt to finally be allowed to realize that we are not spinning at 18,000 miles an hour. We could feel that we weren't, but the spirit of confusion had us in its grips. Now we are free, and getting free-er, thank God.
SALT DEPOSITS
There is a huge salt mine under Cleveland, Ohio. I met the manager of it in around 2001. He said it was currently mined from 1 1/2 to 3 miles deep under Cleveland and is one of the largest in the world.
BY THE WATER
The mine/deposit has a vast amount of "high quality sea salt" (analyzed by a science friend w/a Doctorate.) And it is right next to/ perhaps even somewhat under (?) Lake Erie. But the water of the Lake never hit the exact area where the salt is.
EXTRA WATER
It seems that where extra water came to the earth, creating or enhancing oceans, as told in history, it hit some other salt mines. THAT could very well be when salt dissolved into the "ocean" water as well as in salt lakes such as are in the middle east and Utah.
LAKE ERIE
Lake Erie did not quite reach the the salt deposit nearby, and it's waters are not salty. That in itself may show that the salt was there before the water there for the term sea salt might just be a misnomer. According to some older maps Lake Erie may be a newer lake and shallow. The deeper parts average only 25 ft deep according to the internet. I saw ancient items when looking down into the water as a child. And I read an article by divers last year, that there have been at least 3000 shipwrecks on the lake! Could boats be hitting the tops of tartarian style buildings? Fishermen told me that Lake Erie is extremely dangerous, the water rushes around in strange ways (which could indicate buildings and who knows what else under the water.) There are many man-made lakes and reservoirs in North America the people now say weirfield in to cover up "ancient" sites.
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How the salt got to be in such big deposits around the world (some of which have been dissolved already) is a question for Rodger at Mud Flood University. He might have an insight. I don't have time to watch all of his videos to see if he mentions that. Maybe someone here does, or has already??
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