Song | - "If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next" Manic Street Preachers

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from: Manic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next Lyrics | AZLyrics.com

I didn't even like Manic Street Preachers that much at the time, but I have to say the lyrics from this song seem appropriate or clearer now :)

Even had a nice lyric for stolen history, at least from my PoV:
Monuments put from pen to paper
Turns me into a gutless wonder

Flipping hell, working through some of their other songs too, eg the everlasting, ready for drowning... I'm shocked at the prescience.
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Username: Bear Claw
Date: 2020-05-18 13:58:50
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Found them a bit meh myself and quite exhausting to listen to. Generation terrorist is great though. Kinda like a valleys guns n roses.

Concerning their lyrics. Most up until a point were written by Richey Edwards - a non musical band member. The strange thing is, he disappeared and was declared legally dead around the time of Holy Bible. Their last not really middle of the road work?

Richey Edwards - Wikipedia
 
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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2020-05-18 22:05:18
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Very interesting. His bio and everything about him reads like that of potential MPD Victim.
 
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Username: Bear Claw
Date: 2020-05-19 07:57:29
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Hmmm. MPD being multiple personality disorder? I see that. Victim? Of circumstance or something more MKultra?

I was pretty young at the time. But from what I read, they were a band that meant business, and maybe weren't all about projecting an image and trying to be successful. Maybe.

If stolen history made a band I am sure their lyrics would be prescient although I would suspect that is based upon critical thought rather than knowledge - although I guess time may tell on this also. Is it possible Richey Edwards (and the Manics) were just principled and had a bit of an idea what they were talking about? They do SEEM a bit more REAL than other bands.

Maybe this couldn't be tolerated? Sorry that is a bad joke. Reading how he disappeared, it could also be he was running from something. And it got him. Or he escaped. Nonetheless once he were gone, post Holy Bible, Manics turned dull as dishwater (for me).

It kinda reminds me a little of Syd Barrett.
 
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Username: Tool18
Date: 2020-05-19 08:06:49
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Love the manic street preachers, and the lyrics to this song are brilliant.
 
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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2020-05-19 08:52:18
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Oh absolutely, the principled part and that's the rub don't ya see, therein lies the internal conflict and the music is the voice of reason of an acute mind driven by the madness of what it sees. That's at least my knee jerk reaction. Not all of the reactive impluse comes from conscious awareness but also from the inner mind of the so called unconscious mind; though In reality this part of the brain sees all and never misses anything. It knows all, it see's all, and it records all. It's not verbally communicative but speaks through symbolism and tricks the conscious mind in to constructing stories around the symbols (truths) it shows to the consciously aware mind, mostly while sleeping.

BTW I have to say an outstanding post and thanks for it. I think that it would be delusional to think he got away. Either it, which is they in reality, took him, or eliminated him, or he took himself out. It would be nice to think otherwise; that he's living somewhere's still watching.
 
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Username: Bear Claw
Date: 2020-05-19 14:27:54
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It probably shouldn't be neglected that he also joins the 27 club on a technicality.
 
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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2020-05-19 17:29:30
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Good piece from Richplanet, part one of four!

 
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Username: Bear Claw
Date: 2020-05-19 23:01:02
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Well that was a watch and a half. It got a bit Blair Witch at one point, but some interesting stuff in there. Will not listen to them in the same way again.

In summary - and the parts relating to Manic Street Preachers, rather than Richey Edwards. The band were suspected to be signed based upon a contract whereby Richey Edwards was used as a conduit to drip feed 'filth' into pop music. There was possibly a contract which involved Richey Edwards that may have involved favours. His mental state declined. And he "disappeared" to live off grid.

Obviously for the thread the most relevant point is that the lyrics were drip fed to the band being the suggestion. Which I guess we all know on some level is true of the industry. In terms of the Manics, it is borne out of the sheer amount of topics discussed by the time of the Holy Bible. The presentor lists them out and it is indeed quite the list.

I guess it would suggest the lyrics are not such prescience. More deliberate. Maybe I shall keep to the Levellers in the future.
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-05-20 06:22:53
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All bands that make it and get support are compromised to some degree, whether they know it or not, IMO. They might be neutral, degenerate or truth-dropping, but still their message is framed. Even the levellers!
 
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Username: Bear Claw
Date: 2020-05-20 07:35:39
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Yeah deep down I feel you are right. It was kinda a joke to myself.

I'm going to take the convo off on a different tangent, get a bit self indulgent then bring it back to music lyrics. But I had a bit of a breakdown in 2011, and pretty much withdrew from society for a few years. I mean I still had a job, but didn't really keep up appearances and lived in my old room at my parents, played football twice a week with friends and that was it for socialising. Beforehand I had been really into rock music, for the lyrics and so on, my favourite band was Drive by Truckers cuz they told great stories, and I loved a bit of Manu Chao or maybe even Manics for the political side of things. But then all of a sudden I couldn't listen to music anymore. I was asexual about it all and had kind of a revulsion to it. Fast forward a few years, and I am back into music, but in the main trance music. By in the main I mean it is practically all I listen to. One of the things I enjoy most about it is the relative absence of lyrics, and when they do its quite vague lyics.

I kinda thought that it was to do with not having someone tell you a story and being able to use your own imagination to go to places. My brain felt more alive. There is a joke in the trance music scene that it is high iq music. Which is a joke. But it is suggested that there is a correllation between intelligence and listening to music with no lyrics.

Smarter people listen to instrumental music, study finds

My personal thought for awhile was that musical choices were an effect of IQ. Like you choose a genre that suits your brains disposition.

But then, maybe it is the case that our brains respond to the music. I mean - sorry I am kind of just writing as I think here - watching that doc last night, and having the topics of manics listed out - notable for how many topics and how categorically dark they were, maybe music tastes influence the brain:

Lyrics to Faster:

I hate purity,
Hate goodness,
I don't want virtue to exist anywhere,
I want everyone corrupt
I am an architect,
They call me a butcher,
I am a pioneer,
They call me primitive,
I am purity,
They call me perverted,
Holding you but I only miss these things when they leave,
I am idiot drug hive,
The virgin, the tattered and the torn,
Life is for the cold made warm and they are just lizards,
Self disgust is self-obsession honey and I do as I please,
A morality obedient only to be cleansed repented,
I am stronger than Mensa, miller and mailer,
I spat out Plath and Pinter,
I am all the things that you regret,
A truth that washes that learnt how to spell,
The first time you see yourself naked you cry,
Soft skin now acne,
Foul breath so broken,
He loves me truly this…
I know I believe in nothing but it is my nothing,
Sleep cannot hide thoughts splitting through my mind,
Shadows aren't clean, false mirrors too many people awake,
If you stand up like a nail then you will be knocked down,
I've been too honest with myself I should have lied like everybody else.
I am stronger than Mensa, miller and mailer,
I spat out Plath and Pinter,
I am all the things that you regret,
A truth that washes that learnt how to spell,
So damn easy to cave in, man kills everything,
So damn easy to cave in, man kills everything,
So damn easy to cave in, man kills everything,
So damn easy to cave in, man kills everything

And this is pretty typical of the music I and everyone I knew grew up around. Grunge, nu-metal, were kind of a dose of negativity and alienation. Britpop a dose of chauvinism hedonism and lad culture.

They were the two choices kids had growing up. It was no wonder really so many kids were crying out for Trance Nation and a bit of love and optimism.

I have bolded some lines. It is a magic spell isn't it. It is a reality of the world that is foistered onto you. It gives you heros and you want to be them.

So yeah word is, I have found happiness listening to music without lyrics. My brain copes better. There is correllation. I don't know about causation.

But the study in the Daily Mail article tells me something. That music with negative lyrics is either a spell to brainwash the people. Or a symptom of a society that isn't up to scratch.
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-05-20 08:03:43
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We have equivalent personal histories and musical tastes, sort of. I was listening to trance for years, especially when working on the computer. I stopped listening to music for ages too, worried about the corrupting influence. (I'm OK, don't worry, lol.) Nowadays I listen (or watch) consciously to anything but I'm fairly critical in what I hear. Probs why I'm posting some older songs that I've re-listened to and heard afresh.

Yes. I guess it's about externalising that which is within, as 'TPTB' can steer the external more easily. I think this is what the bible is on about when it says to accept no idols. The answers are within.
 
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Username: tdokta
Date: 2020-05-20 08:40:18
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this song came into my u tube recommendations at the start of the lock down, was a great song to be listening to at that time and i repeated it a fair bit. the lyrics were ringing and still are ringing very true to the emotive situation the western world is currently in. i say western world, because i am unsure where else this current psy op is occurring.

if you tolerate this then your children will be next, .. well the wee kids at my daughter's new school were wearing hula hoops around their wastes to learn about keeping apart from each other. needless to say, my daughter (5 yo) didn't participate in this nonsense, we kept her out of it.
 
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Username: Bear Claw
Date: 2020-05-20 10:40:38
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Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the bible is also external :). But I guess you don't accept that without critical thought. I guess you aren't talking about the Holy Bible by Manic either.

The answers are within. But then from the the TPTBs perspective the enemy is also within. Enemy / inner me. Maybe songs are more of a potent weapon that I previously thought, as you suggest.
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-05-20 10:57:42
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Cool, only I don't see songs as an overt weapon. Rather I see them as helping to create the water we swim in to get us towards some sort of collectivised consensus. Our training (school, work, life, tv, etc) has trained us with a load of inverted assumptions, such that if we aren't paying attention we can just find ourselves going along with that consensus. So (IMO) it is kind of a weapon, but I tend to see it in psychological terms, where the environment has been shaped in a way that misleads. Kind of like the Millgram experiment - if you're familiar with it - where if you control the environment you can mostly make the subject do what you like.
 
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Username: Bear Claw
Date: 2020-05-20 11:35:22
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I wasn't explicitly aware, but have just read the wiki. Pretty much sounds like it could be valid in the Corona thread. And I guess to go back to biblical analogies, how you are born into and live in sin. Without actually deliberately sinning the environment makes it so much easier to do so that one cannot live within sin.

Just another thought train here but when you hear all the 1950's tales of rock music being satanic. Maybe this is what that refers to rather than them being a literal direct attack on ones soul. I will have to muse on this more though.
 
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