Stolen History and Psychoanalysis

[Frostychud]

Jef Demolder, thanks for your response. Before anything else, let me tell you that I have gone carefully through your entire blog and read every single post. You’re probably too polite to shill yourself, so I will do it for you. For those readers here who are unfamiliar with Jef’s work, I strongly encourage you to check it out:

Abyss of Time

Jef, you have at least twenty posts there that would blow a lot of minds and generate a lot of discussion if you ever choose to republish them here. I tried to comment there once and it involved registering under my real name, so I didn’t do it. It’s a pity, because you have so many great ideas.

I agree strongly with what you say about the terrible error:

Often it has been said that to have a spiritual life you have to escape from bodily conditions on the side of the more ideal beings. This way of thinking is a terrible error. The contrary is the case. The closer we are to simple reality, the closer we are to ultimate reality, the source of being/energy.

Hegel echoes the Actus Purus that you cite. As an idealist, Hegel believes that the final essence of reality is Geist or spirit. The Geist constantly flows into material existence in the form of what he calls “negativity”, which could also be described in more Greek language as “becoming” (as opposed to “being”). To return to an earlier imagery, I imagine that the Geist lives in the “neutral center” of the rotating torus, in the tiny gap where space and counterspace meet. I read somewhere that this is the significance of the Planck Unit – it is the precise size of the gap into which photons disappear and from which they reappear. Light emerges, spirals upwards, curves around the torus, then disappears back into the neutral center on the other side bearing the information it picked up on its journey from through space, and which it now imprints on the infinite sea of holographic aether. Hegel refers to this process as the spontaneous self-determination of Spirit. It is a process we can either hinder or facilitate.

For Hegel, negativity “wants” to become material. It wants to move from the abstract to the concrete. It wants to be slowed down, elaborated, made material. True thought involves seizing this flow of negativity and riding it. The goal is not to dominate the Geist, nor is it to submit to it passively. There is an intermediate way. To return to the original theme of this thread, this is exactly how a dream must be interpreted. The dream is the portal through which the living unconscious, the Geist, sends messages from counterspace. Those messages “hit” the artificial unconscious of the dreamer and are spontaneously translated into complex, unique individual dreams. These dream symbols are simultaneously expressions of the subject’s desire to evolve and distortions of it. Crucially, these symbols are then subjected to a second distortion when they are translated from an instantaneous image into diachronic language.

To return to the point made by Jef Demolder about the archons and the Actus Purus, it seems to me that human life, as opposed to archontic life, is not closer to the counterspatial source at the center of the torus (where we might be tempted to situate God), but rather suspended precisely at its most distant edge, in other words, at exactly the midpoint of the “photon’s” spiral journey from the north pole exit of the neutral center, around the donut, and back into counterspace through the south pole entrance exactly one Planck unit away from its starting point. On the ascending journey we find archons and disembodied intelligences and on the descending journey we find increasingly dense and wise entities like trees and rocks. We humans appear to live right at the fertile verge where everything meets. Jef, maybe this is the place you refer to when you say we are closer to God.

This leads me to something I have been thinking about recently. I wondered earlier on this thread if some languages are inherently more holographic than others, based largely on Jef Demolder’s theory that certain ancient languages were used by the gods and not the people. I believe that it is not language but the human unconscious that is holographic in nature. I suspect it can take any language, any symbolic system, and imbue it with holographic power. That said, some languages, and some alphabets, appear to react differently than others to being transformed into holograms, as I hope to illustrate.

In psychoanalysis, the goal is always to return to reality in its most concrete essence. Patients are always tempted to drift off into abstraction when the truth is always singular and concrete. Abstract interpretations often leave the patient feeling good, but explain nothing. A good example of the flight into abstraction is the “dream dictionary”. These are books where you can look up dream symbols and get a ready-made explanation for what they mean. But since dream symbols are holographic encodings of traumas and desires from the patient’s own life, it is impossible to find their meaning in a book. They are always radically singular, although they love to “hide” behind commonplace interpretations. If a patient dreams of a snake, it is a dead end to search for a collective interpretation, such as: the snake represents wisdom, the snake represents sexuality, the snake represents the gods... Once you start down this path, the unconscious has won, and is laughing at you. It loves to lead both the patient and the analyst into sterile, feel-good discussions about generalities. The unconscious put the snake there to trick you into going to the dream dictionary, reading that it represents wisdom, and then “introspecting” about what wisdom is. Once it can get you introspecting, it wins and you lose. What the unconscious does not want is for the patient to remember the particular (ugly, painful) childhood episode or the specific (shameful, humiliating) childhood desire that is hiding behind the snake (more specifically, behind the word “snake”, even more specifically, behind the letters S, N, A, K, and E). Most of all it does not want you to vocalize certain things. There is no way to derive the concrete content hidden behind the symbol from the symbol itself. The symbol is always a higher-level hologram that encodes multiple messages. Again, the holographic intelligence of the unconscious is utterly breathtaking when you come face to face with it. A dream composed of only a handful of superficially simple symbols (an abandoned house, a tunnel, a stream, a mummy, a companion) often reveals itself to possess three, four, five or more layers of signification that only reveal themselves when the patient is ready. An entire analysis can begin and end with the same dream. Even more mysteriously, the dream symbol does not just passively “reveal” secrets, it actively pushes the dreamer towards the realization of a more authentic mode of existence, which I would define as a less dissociated existence, an existence that is precisely more rooted in the real, the here and now, the concrete, the humble, the slow (see The Shell and the Kernel by Nicolas Abraham and Maria Torok). But you have to engage with the dream for it to help you. It is like a horse. If you know how to approach the horse, it might let you climb on its back and ride it. If you don’t, it will just stand there and ignore you or possibly even kick you in the head and kill you.

The unconscious is in some ways as stupid as it is brilliant. On the one hand, it is a quantum holography machine that no AI will ever outdo. On the other hand, it struggles with certain functions.

- It cannot distinguish between homonyms.
- It has no concept of zero.
- It has no concept of the passage of time. The unconscious is always “there”, exactly where you left it.
- It has no concept of contradiction. Dreams can only contradict themselves once they have been translated into conscious thought. Someone can be simultaneously alive and dead in a dream, himself and someone else, etc.
- Something can just as easily be represented by its opposite as by itself.

Concretely, what a psychoanalyst does is notice isometries in the patient’s speech, or to use a less pretentious language, notice coincidences and bring them to the patient’s attention. For example, a patient comes in with a dream about a mansion with a wood floor. There is a man in the house. He escapes. A little later in the dream, the mansion has become a manor house. Now Woody Harrelson is there. As the patient recounts the dream, he free associates, saying whatever passes through his mind. He complains that unlike others, he has no style, no specific “manner” of being in the world. At some point he repeats, “I would…have a manner, if…” with an unusual emphasis on the word “would”.

The wrong way to approach this dream would be isolating the elements in their “imaginary” dimension, the manor house for example. I am sure I could pick up a dream dictionary, look up “manor house”, and find something like: “the house is a representation of the self, and a manor house indicates an inflated sense of self”, or whatever. No, the way to pierce the mystery of the dream is by ignoring the imaginary dimension of the symbols and focusing on the words, the sounds, and the letters that are being pronounced. Two words, “man” and “wood”, appear too many times for it to be a coincidence: man/manner/manor/mansion/wooden/would/Woody. These syllables are where the secrets lie. This is the center of the dream. Do I know what specific unconscious resonance these base syntagms, man and wood have for my patient? Not yet. Only the patient is capable of penetrating the mystery, since he is the author of his unconscious. I have a suspicion that there is a general connection with the concept of manhood, based on other things I have heard this patient say, but I know from experience that there is much more to the dream than that. The important thing is for the patient to see and feel that his everyday, logical, linear, “algebraic” discourse is actually a screen that conceals the true “geometrical” nature of thought and its interface with the unconscious and the body. Just as intelligence agencies insert their operatives in cover jobs, the unconscious inserts its syllables, its words, its signifiers, in cover discourses. Free association is nothing but a technique for disabling the rule that we always speak logically and coherently, in other words, that we respect the linear algebra of grammar and literal coherence. To put it more succinctly, conscious thought and consciously experienced reality is linear and algebraic, whereas unconscious thought and unconscious reality is geometric and without extension in time or space. Geometry does not lie the way algebra can. As psychoanalysis advances, the logical mode of discourse begins to appear more and more artificial, and the geometric, poetic mode of discourse begins to appear more natural. Life becomes more difficult, because as soon as you start speaking freely, people get confused and upset…

Psychoanalysis really gets interesting when the patient starts to catch his unconscious in flagrante delicto inserting parasitic language into his speech. In the same way, political understanding only begins when you realize that everything you see on the news has been manipulated, massaged, or even outright scripted by intelligence agencies. We will never know exactly what all these clever spooks are doing, but once we realize they are there, constantly lying to us, we can distance ourselves from the cover discourses they constantly use to hypnotize us. In the same way, the real goal of psychoanalysis is not to completely decipher the unconscious, which is ultimately impossible anyway, but to realize that it is constantly distorting reality and calibrate to it.

I guess that everyone here has had the experience of noticing a first Big Lie such as 9/11, then beginning to investigate, then discovering more lies, then eventually realizing that in fact the original Big Lie is nothing but the most visible element of an entire architecture of interlocking lies that touches every aspect of our history and goes back to the very beginning. Yet this architecture of lies is so cleverly constructed that it almost never contradicts itself. It is always logical, or rather, as I hope to show, pseudo-logical, para-logical. One of the major problems with Aristotelian logic is that it cannot say if a proposition is true or not. It can only say if a proposition is self-contradictory or not. Truth is another matter entirely. The only proper use of logic is to test a proposition for self-contradiction. All important truths must be seized by other, more direct means. Aristotelian logic is linear and algebraic. If A, then B, and so on. It is a chain that unfolds in time, syllogism by syllogism. Unconscious logic is geometrical. There are multiple possible relationships between A and B on a hypercube. These relationships are “instantaneous” and mutually determinative. Insight occurs in a flash. Just as the unified electromagnetic force separates into electricity and magnetism upon contact with matter, the unconscious splits into algebra and geometry, with the former ruled by Aristotelian logic (non-contradiction) and the latter ruled by dream logic.

This finally brings me to a theme that directly concerns Stolen History, namely the history of the Phoenicians, their domination of global shipping, their invention of the alphabet, and the mystery of human sacrifice.

The official story of the origin of writing is as follows. Mankind made little drawings of cows and animals to simplify accounting transactions. These little drawings became more abstract until they became cuneiform and hieroglyphics. These are NOT letters. They are symbols with no relationship to speech. Symbols resonate with each other in a geometrical way. Here I invite linguists to correct me if I say something wrong. I used to have a friend who studied Chinese and lived in China for years. He explained to me that although the internal logic of Chinese was not grammatically complicated per se, it was nearly impossible to learn how to construct even simple phrases and ideas the way a Chinese person spontaneously might. The impression that I got was that Chinese was more of a geometric language than an algebraic one. My understanding of Chinese thought and wisdom is that it is usually expressed in short, dense, poetic “crystals”, from the Tao to Mao’s Little Red Book. Like hieroglyphics, Chinese is a language without letters, although apparently it has received a phonetic overlay with time, like Egyptian hieroglyphics (this was Champollion’s big breakthrough, to recognize that the hieroglyphs were also phonetic letters). But I am getting ahead of myself. At first the symbols were just symbols. Julian Jaynes:

At some point letters appeared – Phoenician letters. This is a radical departure from symbolic writing systems. Letters have no symbolic or imaginary resonance. They are just sounds. There is no geometry there, only algebra. As soon as you start writing in letters, you gain something and you lose something. You lose the ability to express ideas holistically and instantaneously, and you gain the ability to push things apart from each other. Linear logic, in which A leads to B leads to C and so on, emerges for the first time. And now we have a powerful new form of hypnosis. Once people get used to thinking syllogistically, it is very easy to use false syllogisms to hypnotize people into doing whatever you want. “There is a new virus, therefore you can’t leave your house.” The connection between idea A and idea B is completely delusional, complete nonsense, but because it is presented in a pseudo-logical form, it has power, owing to the fact that very few people actually know how to think. Our bureaucracies and legal systems are perfect examples of this. They have absolutely nothing to do with justice. They are completely insane. If you isolate and focus on any one detail of a bureaucratic or legal procedure, it might appear reasonable, but when you step back and consider the system in its entirety, what appears is a death machine with no connection to reality, a machine which sadists and masochists can use to get off sexually. Kafka understood this. I suspect that these legal domination systems are an artifact of Aristotelian logic and Phoenician alphabets. Justice in its hypothetical pure state would be crystalline, geometrical, and impossible to explain. It would be different in every case. It would be sometimes harsh, sometimes lenient, and always surprising. Each judgment would be as unique as a dream. Gunnar Heinsohn argues that the Jewish Law is responsible for weaning humanity from sacrificial death cults. I think the opposite is true and the Law as we know it today is a far more voracious death cult than any of the old Mystery religions. https://stolenhistory.net/threads/gunnar-heinsohn-1947-2023.6480/post-120851

I want to go back to the unconscious. The mind as we know it needs signifying elements to function, and if it does not encounter them outside of itself, it will not evolve beyond a very elementary level of organization. A lot of people diagnosed with profound retardation or autism suffer from no organic dysfunction. Their minds simply refuse to mature as a result of a bad encounter with the symbolic order outside of themselves. The lungs need fresh air; the mind needs true words. In my opinion this phenomenon bears witness to the fact that the fundamental structure of the universe is information, which is immanent to matter.

Lacan called these discrete particles of mind-oxygen signifiers because the ultimate nature of these units of signification is not clear. Are they words? Sounds? Pictograms? Letters? Whatever the case is, the unconscious is constructed around a signifying system. And by creating an artificial system of signifiers, such as a phonetic alphabet, the unconscious is forced into a certain container. Here is the crucial point: if the unconscious is fed an algebraic language, it will take these algebraic letters and attempt to assemble them geometrically. It “wants” to think geometrically. The analytic process reveals how the unconscious takes a linear, literal language and constructs superficially nonsense dreams that can only be interpreted by reducing them to their constituent sounds and letters. Or rather, there is a profound logic behind the superficial nonsense. To return to the original imagery: Geist rushes from counterspace into space, where it hits the web of signifiers, some of which have been invested with libidinal charge. These signifiers then vibrate and crystallize into a polygon whose vertices are letters. Or even better, a hypercube, because the dream has a time dimension as well.

Go here to see it rotating: Hypercube - Wikipedia

This mobile geometrical shape is the individual dream. The psychoanalyst Serge Leclaire has a fascinating book called A Child is being Killed in which he presents the case study of a man who slowly reduces his unconscious to the following contingent sequence of letters: POORDJELI. This idiotic formula was the matrix of an entire life of suffering.

Here I am reminded of the fact that Phoenician writing had no spaces. I have another thread in which I explore the idea that churches, temples, towers, etc. were originally radio transmitters and receivers, and that the Phoenicians were the first people to use this technology. Temples and Churches as Radio Frequency Receivers I am currently playing with the idea that the Phoenician alphabet was originally created as a simple telegraphic code. The alphabet emerged after the Bronze Age Collapse, which might indicate that telegraphy began here, perhaps replacing an earlier, more direct, possibly even “psychic” form of broadcasting. This would also provide us with a possible explanation for the origin of gematria. This practice does not reveal the “divine architecture” of language as suggested by (in my opinion completely delusional) texts like the medieval Sefer Yetzirah. On the contrary, what if it is just a built-in redundancy in the code to guarantee faithful transmission? After all, if the radio receiver knows that the message is supposed to add up to a certain sum, he can fill in the missing letters in the case of a weak signal. I suspect it was only much later that this simple and logical technique was cargo-culted into the mystical mumbo-jumbo practiced by Kabbalists today.

So, pursuing my hypothesis, humanity (or more precisely, the priest class of humanity) was first given a geometrical, symbolic, resonant writing system (hieroglyphics). I suspect that this language had a collectivizing function that ensured social harmony at the expense of individual liberty. Jan Assmann on Ancient Egyptian subjectivity:

At some point, the use of a specific technology necessary for the management of the empire leads to the creation of a simplified writing code system based on a small number of phonetic letters. This signifying system begins to develop a life of its own, infecting the minds of those who practice it, displacing hieroglyphics and creating a “new mind”, the Phoenician mind, a mind that is instrumental, exploitative, logical, cunning, non-resonant, and in many ways more free. Perhaps this language cuts off the individual from the swarm, the hive, the collective. Here we return to Jaynes and his theory that everyone was hallucinating and hearing voices until around the Bronze Age Collapse, or more precisely a few hundred years later. Jaynes explicitly suggests writing and trade were the factors leading to the breakdown of the bicameral mind. Here I would like to make a suggestion that is perhaps too simplistic, and I invite linguists to correct me. The Greek verb “to speak” is phonein, giving us words like telephone, etc. Is this where the Phoenicians got their name? Were they simply the talkers, the radio technicians, the ones who used a phonetic language? Were they not a race but a class of people whose minds had been transformed by the contact with letters? Is this why the Phoenicians were able to dominate commerce and shipping? Did they have a monopoly on subjectivity and its attendant advantages, logic (and hypnosis through pseudologic), not to mention the ability to conceptually subdivide and manipulate time and space, at a time when most other people were plugged into a collective mind dominated by dreamlike, eternal-present geometric thinking? Were the Phoenicians the first “atheists” by virtue of their alphabet? Were the gods themselves powerless over the Phoenicians, since they had no foothold in their brain?

The Phoenicians have their own foothold in the brain, and it is of a different sort. Freud noted that the superego, the inner tyrant, was first and foremost an internalized voice. This voice paralyzes. It issues commands. It acts directly on the body. From Darian Leader's Psychoanalysis and the Voice:

Even more fascinating:

Does the Phoenician alphabet, from which all of our later Western alphabets derive, function by implanting a literal voice in our heads? Is this the secret of Phoenician mind-control? The unconscious is full of syntagms invested with the force of external authority. When they are “pulsed” by a signal message, they vibrate and shout at us. In the worst case, they zombify us. There is a reason psychotics hear voices. I once read a fascinating study in which three groups of “schizophrenics” from Ghana, India, and the United States were compared.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...the_USA_India_and_Ghana_Interview-based_study

Half of the people from Ghana and India reported that the voices were friendly and belonged to family members, whereas all of the American schizophrenics reported that the voices were hostile and aggressive. I now find myself wondering how many of the Ghanaians and Indians were illiterate or semi-literate. Was it the presence of internalized letters, as opposed to more holistic symbols, that made the American voices so tyrannical? Is this where the connection between spelling (writing) and spelling (magic) emerges? My understanding of magic rituals is that both geometry and algebra are mobilized: a spell is pronounced diachronically (there is a sequence of words that unfolds in time) and then concentrated into a sigil whose operation is instantaneous.

To summarize: the mind uses language to contain trauma. The trauma is “sealed” under a unique geometrical symbol that is assembled from syllables and letters scavenged outside of the self. What I am here calling “trauma” might more accurately be described as the raw experience of life before it is symbolized. Look at a baby crying. He is not in more pain than you are. He is just unable to treat the stimulus flow by channeling it into a sophisticated symbolic system. As he develops and learns to speak, as language increasingly colonizes his body, those specific sounds, letters, and words which absorb the biggest “charge” of traumatic life energy come to function as the invisible matrix of his entire life. If a phonetic alphabet rather than a symbolic one has been injected into the unconscious, these signifiers will take the form of letters corresponding to sounds. When these letters are activated sympathetically, for example when a situation resembling some original traumatic situation is encountered, or when certain trigger words are encountered, the letters “come to life” and shout at the subject. This shout causes the subject to dissociate to a greater or lesser degree. When in a dissociated state, the subject is vulnerable to hypnosis. Orders received in such a state are mindlessly executed. The natural geometric intelligence of the mind is deactivated. However, this intelligence can be reactivated by going back to the scene of the crime and undoing the “shout” mechanism, at which point the originally repressed energy can be reappropriated. Curious fact: psychoanalysis only works if the words are spoken out loud and subjectivized with another person present. Writing them doesn’t have the same effect. Vocalizing the secret command codes somehow deactivates the “inner voice” in which they are shouted at us. The more I think about it, the more magical this all appears.

It is interesting to note that the whole system does not need to be directed from without to function. In fact, what one finds in psychoanalysis is that the unconscious formulas that cause us to dissociate and sabotage our lives (POORDJELI) are mostly meaningless and governed by chance. Language is an inherently alienating structure. Magicians, propagandists, bankers, cult leaders, intelligence agents, etc. are simply people who understand how this system functions and put themselves in the “driver’s seat” that language creates and then leaves empty in our heads. The mind-eaters have an incredible advantage in that our minds automatically split upon contact with reality. It takes twenty years for our brains to mature. By the time we hit puberty, the unconscious is fully formed, meaning that we enter adulthood very deep in the hole already, and have to work very hard just to get back to something resembling an undistorted picture of reality. Children respond to trauma that they are not yet strong enough to process by “freezing” it in more or less meaningless letters and sounds (=repression). The teenage years are often so difficult because you suddenly have a full-force river of hormonally boosted energy flowing into a symbolic canal system that was haphazardly designed by a five-year-old for a much weaker stream. When we return to the original repressions as an adult, they are no longer as much of a danger to us. The mind-controllers understand all this intuitively. They know that we all come with a crack, and that crack can be artificially widened using all sorts of hypnotic crowbars. Any kind of lie will do. The concrete content of the lies is less important than the fact that they are lies. In this way, the original crystal mind, which spontaneously shattered upon contact with reality, is prevented from re-forming into the higher-level crystal it is supposed to grow into. A false unconscious is placed right over the original fault line like an oil derrick. When this artificial parasitic unconscious is activated, subjectivity is replaced by automatic behavior. Deactivate the lies, and the derrick stops working.

I have written a post for the other thread in which I pursue these ideas further and present more evidence for the Phoenician hypothesis as well as a more concrete series of reflections. Anyone who would like to speculate about the material/technological connection can go here and post on this thread: Temples and Churches as Radio Frequency Receivers

 

[transient82]

Hello Dreamtime, thanks for your thoughtful response. I will respond piece by piece.

No honest psychoanalyst would consider psychoanalysis a science, in my opinion. It is a technique that produces results, but it is not falsifiable and therefore not scientific.

Most psychoanalysts are indeed Jewish. In my opinion, Judaism is materialism. For hundreds of years, the point of engagement of Jews with their God (whom they know to be dead, and whom they use as a kind of ventriloquist's dummy) has been the written word, whereas Christians attempt to connect directly with the Holy Spirit. "Jewish" psychoanalysis tends to refuse all movements towards transcendence, while "Christian" psychoanalysis tends to be more open to such movements. Considering that 99% of the transcendental impulses of a patient undergoing analysis are desperate attempts to avoid facing an ugly truth, the Jewish tendency to reduce everything to a base material drive therefore has a greater chance of being therapeutically beneficial, even if it reflects a false ontology. The problem is that these analysts will then lump the rare authentic spiritual encounters in with the much more common hysterical fantasizing. I believe that Lacan, a Catholic, understood this distinction and knew when to say yes and when to say no.

Speculation: following one or more catastrophes, the etheric field (the "Holy Spirit") that allowed us to harness atmospheric energy and communicate with the old gods stopped working. Jews, as the priest/magician/diplomat class of the old world, were the first to understand that the Earth was broken and that the old rituals no longer made any sense. They converted en masse to a materialist philosophy appropriate to the new, broken realm, whereas Christians remain nostalgic for the old "Holy Spirit" which may or may not return. In a broken world, the materialist approach will yield more concrete results.



This is an important point. Psychoanalysts are often hesitant to speculate about these larger questions because it doesn't affect their practice. It is a waste of time to talk about metaphysics with patients. Concretely, a patient who is lying on the divan speculating about cataclysms, or demons, or energies, or conspiracies, no matter how intelligently, is a patient who is avoiding talking about his own repressed personal traumas, desires, and memories. Psychoanalysts inevitably develop an aversion for any kind of metaphysical speculation, because they see how their patients use such thoughts to float off into a fantasy world and avoid facing their own concrete problems. That said, I believe it is important for analysts to allow themselves to speculate (just not when they are analyzing). Most analysts see the death drive as a mysterious permanent component of the human psyche. This explanation does not satisfy me. I lean more towards your suggestion that humanity was so massively brutalized in the past that we are still metabolizing this collective trauma. I also believe that there is a class of people, call them narcissists or perverts, who understood that the dazed, dissociated state in which humanity found itself made them easy marks for hypnotic control. As each generation works off a little more of this original trauma, the hypnotic mechanism breaks down a little more, and fresh traumas must be fabricated to keep the machine functioning. I agree with you entirely that all of the wars of the twentieth century as well as the current staged psychodrama are desperate ploys of the narcissist/hypnotist class to maintain humanity just traumatized enough for their hexes to continue functioning. Black magic doesn't work on integrated people. Another point worth mentioning is that the unconscious "core" is always working to heal itself, and if left alone, over a long enough time period, I believe it will succeed. But not if the old wounds are constantly being reopened.



The basic idea of psychoanalysis is that we act out what we can't remember. Acting out repressed trauma provides temporary relief, but leaves the basic mechanism intact. You are correct that as strange as it seems, it is psychically easier for heavily traumatized people to engage in the most sadistic and masochistic behavior, behavior that generates enormous suffering, than it is for them to face their own "fundamental fantasy".



As I mentioned earlier, I believe that time is an ally. All other things being equal, the natural movement is towards healing, even if it is slow. Beyond that, I suspect that we must individually choose to prefer life, memory, and desire to repetition and sadomasochistic enjoyment. Collective movements will always end up becoming BDSM clubs.



Esotericism is very dangerous for neurotics, and particularly for hysterics (one of the two main forms of neurosis). Remember, neurotics are in thrall to a repressed fundamental fantasy. Beauty in all of its forms is a way of fleeing this fantasy. They want to be beautiful. They want their masters to be beautiful. They want the cosmos to be beautiful. They don't want to hear anything bad. Anyone with a little charisma who approaches a hysteric with a seductive metaphysical system will soon find himself surrounded by groupies offering him cash and sex. There is a reason intelligence agencies use cults and esoteric societies to recruit assets. Lacan measured his words very carefully when he said, referring to Heidegger, "metaphysics is not a bad usage of hysteria". The two are inextricably linked. In other words, there IS much truth to be found in the esoteric tradition, but one must be quite sure that the inner hysteric has been killed before daring to engage with it, at the risk of ending up as the brainwashed slave of an intelligence agency.



This is very close to the official psychoanalytic line. The unconscious is the parasite, and it "lives" in the programmed majority.



Agreed, and for this reason I was very happy to discover Simon Shack's Tychosium, which to my mind is the most intelligent form of geocentrism out there.



The defining feature of psychosis is the delusion. It is constructed with material taken from the "outside world", but the psychotic who hears voices and hallucinates is absolutely trapped in a world in which no real others exist. It is very common for psychotics to believe that everyone else is a robot, or a zombie, or an alien, because they are stuck in their own minds. For this reason it does not matter if you put twenty psychotics in a room together. They won't even notice each other, or rather, they will only notice each other as projection screens for characters belonging to their own unique delusions. You can put two guys who believe they are Jesus Christ next to each other and they won't fight or argue over who is the real Jesus. They will just hallucinate the other person into whatever they want him to be. This is what I mean when I say that as a rule psychotics do not hallucinate together.

Regarding psychosis as demonic possession, it is an idea that I am open to. Working with psychotics can be very difficult because there is no limit to their self-destructive capacity. I had a patient who shot himself in the throat with a harpoon gun. Many of them caused my body to panic as soon as they entered the room. The Lacanian conception of psychosis is the following. Human beings depend on language. We need to "find" language outside of ourselves the same way a hermit crab needs to find a shell. Since a hermit crab can't make his own shell, if he doesn't find one, he dies. Language functions as a cocoon for the child. It provides him with a symbolic means of creating an "I" that exists separately from his parents and more generally from the world around him. When the child grows up in a psychotic, violent, or unstable household, there is an increased chance that the language cocoon will "break". For the human brain/soul/unconscious to develop past a certain point, it needs to be "externalized" in some linguistic construct and then reintegrated back into the organic body. This double movement cannot be skipped. We "graduate" from a purely biological body to a hybrid "bio-symbolic" body. Crucially, this has to happen before a certain age. Psychoanalysts generally don't know anything about biology, but it seems logical enough to me that there must be some kind of hormonal interface that opens and then closes. When this construct breaks, the outside world and the inside world collapse into each other. Psychoanalytic work with psychotics generally involves attempting to shore up missing symbolic distinctions, but the fact is that psychoanalysis does not work so well with psychotics. At the hospital where I worked, the general consensus was that our goal was to stop them from committing suicide, no more. Lacan's theory explains very elegantly one of the most unusual and baffling symptoms of psychosis, which is language troubles. Psychotics tend to speak in a way that makes language "dense", because for them meanings and sounds do not belong to two different registers. Words that rhyme are often seen as having some hidden connection on the level of signification. For an example of this, listen to Lil' Wayne, who strikes me as psychotic. Again, this is tantalizingly close to the esoteric concept of a language that is coextensive with the things it describes. Psychosis has many unusual atavistic characteristics and I think Jaynes was coming very close to the truth when he argued that psychosis was a throwback to a time when we were just radio receivers. Lacan comes to the conclusion that the voice is inherently linked with the superego. What is certain is that language is central to psychosis.

I think that the preceding is not incompatible with the "demonic possession" theory. When the psychotic subject loses access to language, he loses his most powerful defense against possession from the outside. Look at what we are doing here -- we are talking, exchanging words that strengthen us and protect us from hypnosis. Language can be our most powerful tool if we learn how to use it wisely, and this is why poets are so important.



I believe that testosterone and estrogen act as alchemical "receivers" for the Platonic morphic fields of masculinity and femininity. I believe that this is why transgenderism is being pushed so hard these days: in order to block our access to gender, which has a protective and developmental function similar to language. We need both language and gender to attain an adult state. The hermaphroditism of Baphomet is not a symbol of "enlightenment beyond duality". It is a symbol of a stunted, hollowed-out vessel ready for demonic possession. Our linguistic ecosystem is also under attack. By impoverishing language, "they" make it harder and harder for us to find the words that will affirm our singular essence. I can imagine that in a similar way, adrenochrome might act as a receiver for demonic frequencies. I would be very interested to read anything you can share about this.

You guys are way beyond me when it comes to words and articulating in writing the processes going on inside the brain. I greatly appreciate each and every one of you that provides educational motivation. My main focus has been to research, investigate, and practice communication without words through acoustic vibrations (and other vibrations). Maybe using minimal positive (noun) words as a trigger point to initiate the "handshake" within subconciousness. Similar as to how OP mentions us being a "radio tower" of sorts. It is all the same. I cannot yet put into words exactly what it is I am trying to say. (That would probably get me put into a loony bin for words)

I dont nessisarily think language is bad but it is relative to subjective or objective interpretation. Therefore, I dont find the "ultimate truth" in words. The truth might present itself as a synchronistic feature of a word(ex. "this is a rock"). But then again, the word is in a condition of offer and acceptance. Truth has no offer or acceptance. I find it to be a layer of communication (amonst others) that can easily be hijacked, manipulated, and controlled by external sources using other things such as coersion, manipulation, intention, division, confusion, emotions, interpretation, inferrence, or other variables.

With that though, the same can be done in the opposite way using words. It IS a beautiful thing and by no means wish there was no language communication. However, I think if we are to put our full faith into words and language as being truth that we must learn how to communicate using the other layers(think a baby and a mother) in order to know "true communication" with humanity.

Thanks for hearing me out. I love reading things from each and every one of you. Very inteligent people on here

 

[afse]

I have met many people, and I've never come across someone that would become less moral when breaking free from constraints. I don't know where this notion comes from, but it's not based on experience. It's probably based on the idea that humans are monsters and once you take away the constraints of society, they show their monster side.

One possible scenario I can think of - a suffering, child locked human with no power over others resolves these locks, starts to become successful in his profession, has good intentions at first, but via contact with pathological people becomes more evil over time in his actions, as suddenly he has way more power over other people, and the system he is embeded in changes him over time. So he becomes a tool for the matrix and the end result, karmically, is that he has chosen evil instead of good, even if he is still fundamentally good.

But generally, empathy is a natural condition of normal humans. When someone works on removing trauma from childhood, and this makes him more violent or evil, than it was simply a dangerous tool that makes things worse, but it didn't dissolve any child locks. Removing external constraints can make a person more violent, but removing inner constraints, I don't think so.

What trauma does to the nervous system has been well studied (polyvagal theory). It freezes the body, and always lessens empathy. When the nervous system gets out of the frozen state, it can re-connect with other nervous systems (humans), as humans can never live without deep, empathetic contact to others.

A true psychopath is bad no matter the constraints. He doesn't have any child locks to begin with, no internal constraints.

A narcicisst can only get better when reflecting on himself, but they usually chose not to, except when something extremely painful happens, dissolving the ego.

A neurotic will get access to his real emotions and also get better, and neurotic people usually seek out therapy, as they have so many difficulties function in day to day life, compared to narcissists.

A normal human without trauma is able to connect to others without any desire to control them, manipulate them, or use them as a way to project.

A psychopath has a natural resistance against trauma, psychopaths use trauma as a way to hypnotize normal humans. They thrive when there is trauma around them. But they can appear to be suffering when they think that would be an advantage towards other humans - they copy normal empathetic behavior.

So I think the very attempt to solve childhood trauma is already a sign that you are normal and naturally empathetic, and not a psychopath.

The ability to get traumatized is probably related to the ability to love, including the ability of the nervous system to connect to other nervous systems. A natural genetic psychopath doesn't care if the parents love him. Right from the start, he uses his skills to manipulate the parents to gain an advantage. It's usually the parents that get destroyed in the course of his relationship.

A psychopath can give the impression that he has resolved a traumatic experience, and then still become violent; but this is just a lie to manipulate normal humans who can feel empathy.

So I guess what you say is true, but mostly in the larger spiritual context, where a human unlocks his potential and then gets manipulated and changed by the matrix to do evil things. It's not a usual result that someone who resolves trauma suddenly gets more evil by himself. But I can see how being drawn into the sick society we live in, a good human will inevitabely do evil things. Although many would probably argue that when you are free from trauma, you avoid mainstream society in the first place, and don't seek out pathological positions.

Is psychopath belong humanly?

 

[alltheleaves]

we must learn how to communicate using the other layers(think a baby and a mother) in order to know "true communication" with humanity.

that is love.

 

[MH36]

(continued)

Heavily traumatized individuals develop amnesia. They respond to shame, pain, and abjection by constructing a fake history in which they are beautiful and everything is wonderful. Yet the truth inevitably emerges in the form of some kind of self-destructive symptom. I believe that this too is a programmed reflex. In my opinion this is the key to understanding the psychology of the Corona opera. The more people were traumatized, abused, exploited, brainwashed, and bullied, the more psychically necessary it became for them to believe that not only was everything OK, but what was happening was actually beautiful and wonderful. Hence the bizarre short-circuit between Covid compliance and utopianism. I believe that hardcore Covid compliers came to see their behavior as a sort of beautiful cosmic mission to redeem humanity (which is incidentally something that is regularly found in paranoid schizophrenia). In reality they were so shocked by the sudden sadistic turn taken by their own "beautiful" masters that they took refuge in a beautiful fantasy that objectively functioned as a screen allowing their masochism to function unimpeded. Deep down they believed they deserved to be treated sadistically, thanks to the fundamental fantasy, which can only function if it remains safely repressed. They masked and vaxxed hard in a desperate attempt to pay their shame debt to the Big Other (a debt whose variable interest rate had just gone up), even going so far as to offer their own children to Moloch as gauges of their loyalty.

Here I think of David Lynch's masterpiece, Mulholland Drive, in which all of the preceding elements are present. There is a holographic intertextuality between multiple characters and narrative threads, articulated around mysterious symbols like the blue key which have a "density" proper to authentic unconscious symbols. A lot of writers and filmmakers attempt to pull this off, but the conscious mind is incapable of creating symbols which have a true center of gravity, and we intuitively reject them as false. In Lynch we always also the pervasive theme of repressed trauma, denied origins, and the flight into a beautiful fantasy world. One of the incredible "holographic" features of this film is that upon analysis it yields an infinite number of uncanny internal correspondences and nested metaphors that are too precise to be simply gratuitous constructions on the part of the interpreter, yet are far too complex for Lynch to have intended consciously. Another feature of this film is, in my opinion, its incredible cathartic power. Like Beckett, Lynch is not afraid to confront the fundamental experience of humanity which is humiliation. It is no coincidence that Lynch channels all of his stories and images from an unconscious state.

This unconscious, the one an artist like Lynch uses to construct his work, is not the parasitic unconscious described by Freud. This would be the "native" human unconscious that exists "before" it is attacked by the parasitic unconscious. This is the unconscious that intuits the truth and spontaneously expresses it symbolically. In neurosis, intuition is hijacked. The voice in our gut gives us bad advice. Its compass is broken. One of the goals of psychoanalysis is to restore this native unconscious to its original functioning state. This unconscious uses dreams to communicate the truth to us and lead us forward in life. The parasitic unconscious uses dreams to lead us into traps, but it can never silence the true unconscious. Freud says somewhere (I paraphrase) that the voice of desire speaks softly, but it can never be silenced, whereas the voice of the superego or Big Other always shouts. In concrete practice, the goal of the analyst is to distinguish between the constituent elements of the symbol that lead to false hypnotic programming and the golden threads which lead down to the core of the dreamer's true self, which is trapped inside the fundamental fantasy. The parasitic unconscious deploys all its art to confuse the crime scene, but it can never completely destroy the traces of what "really happened". It can take a long time in psychoanalysis, but the voice of truth inevitably grows stronger.

Here it is worth mentioning the work of Julian Jaynes and Iain McGilchrist. Jaynes believed that humans were all basically hallucinating until about three thousand years ago, with these hallucinations guided by stone idols, monuments, pyramids, and statues. He argues convincingly that there is no trace of subjectivity proper in anything written before the Odyssey. McGilchrist is a neuroscientist who focuses on the functioning of the two hemispheres of the brain. In his big book "The Master and his Emissary", he paints a picture of a deeply divided brain. The left hemisphere functions basically like an AI, reducing all input to discrete bytes of information that can then be assembled and manipulated as a computer might, with the same "context blindness" that plagues all AI. The right hemisphere, on the contrary, exists in a mysterious direct connection with outside reality that goes beyond the sense organs and indeed cannot be explained. In McGilchrist's model, reality is apprehended directly by the right hemisphere, then sent through the corpus callosum to the left hemisphere to be processed, at which point it is returned, in reassembled form, to the right hemisphere, where the two sets of information, one raw, one processed, are blended into a higher-order holographic truth. The RH is the "Master" and the LH is the "Emissary" whose job is to serve the master. McGilchrist argues that recent human history is the history of the usurpation of the RH by the LH. He goes as far as to argue that the LH uses us to terraform our environment into an artificial, Borg-like construct that the fundamentally autistic LH feels "comfortable" in, eliminating anything that is poetic, uncertain, allusive, metaphorical, alive, composed of curves rather than right angles, or melancholic. My understanding is that he sees this process as an out of control autocatalytic loop.

I will bring in one more thinker to complete the idea I am presenting here. Rupert Sheldrake argues that the brain is essentially a "radio antenna" that receives information from some kind of etheric psy-field. We do not entirely exist in our brains (or our bodies); they are simply receivers for transcendental forms that exist in some Platonic field outside of us. Putting it all together, is it possible that our brains were originally intended to pick up signals from the "source", but were later hijacked and tuned to the frequency of the Archons? Was the left hemisphere somehow strengthened through genetic manipulation? From this point of view, psychoanalysis could be seen as an attempt to retune the mind to the RH source of consciousness. McGilchrist is clear that the left hemisphere is not "bad". It is just soulless and autistic, and needs to be subordinated to the "holistic" right hemisphere in order to promote life. Here too we see a correspondence with the Gnostic concept of Archons which can only copy reality and have no will so to speak, since they are pure automatons.

Returning to the theory of Jaynes, what I always found least convincing was his idea that everyone was able to hear the "same" divine voices simply by interacting with the same stone idols. I have worked with psychotics in a clinical setting and as a rule their delusions are airtight and strictly personal. They do not hallucinate together. But what if the voices everyone was hearing were indeed broadcast to them psychically by a really-existing outside intelligence located in the psy-field? Perhaps all the paintings, drawings, and sculptures of monstrous man-eating gods we have inherited are in fact representations of collective hallucinations put there by entities who "used" the LH/radio in our heads/parasitic unconscious to "project" demons who commanded us to perform real sacrifices in order that they might feed on the life energy or "loosh" that they crave but which they cannot procure on their own due to an inability or difficulty incarnating in the specific density of Earth. Perhaps the voices went silent three thousand years ago for the simple reason that the transmitter had been damaged in some kind of cataclysm.

In my personal life, I have come to the conclusion that for an individual psychoanalysis to be successful, it must eventually move from the inside to the outside. In the Lacanian tradition, psychoanalysis ends when the patient accepts that the Big Other does not exist in an ontological sense. Yes, it exists as a voice in his head, and yes, it exists outside him inasmuch as others who are hypnotized by the Big Others in their heads function as zombie slaves working unconsciously to "bring back the Antichrist", but it has no material existence of its own, in other words, it only exists because we listen to it. And when we stop listening to it, those others who remain in thrall to the hypnosis lose their unconscious power over us (even as they still have material power over us). This leaves the patient in a position that is more existentially authentic, but also more difficult, as it inevitably entails conflict with the outside world. During Covid, for example, someone who has not yet unplugged from the "inner Big Other" will be vulnerable to psychic attack from maskers and vaxxers on television or in their families. Someone who has realized that the Big Other has no ontological consistency will easily be able to resist this psychic violence, but will still find himself contending with actual, material coercion, which, although oppressive, is much easier to deal with. In my experience, once we unplug from the Big Other, we can suddenly "see" secret passages, hidden tunnels, workarounds and shortcuts that were invisible before. Lacan refused to speak the language of magic or mysticism in general, but the concept of "desire" in his teaching can easily be interpreted this way. For Lacan, desire is something like a river of psychic energy that has the power to alter reality directly. When desire is undammed, life becomes enchanted and "reality" stops hindering you and starts actively helping you. It is only after experiencing firsthand the magic of desire that you can begin to appreciate how unreal reality is. In other words (my words), psychoanalysis ends when we realize that the Annunaki that created (or simply modified) us left this realm at some point and we no longer need to listen to the voice they put in our heads. Carlos Castaneda says something similar when Don Juan tells him that the "Flyers", the parasitic creatures that feed on humans, "gave us their mind" to maintain us at the level of cattle. I think that the organic next step from a "completed" psychoanalysis involves questioning the veracity of the outside story, the story of our objective history, which is no less false and delusional than the childish stories we tell ourselves about our individual origins. On a personal level, after years of being intellectually uninspired by academic philosophy and institutional psychoanalysis, I rediscovered my passion for knowledge when I encountered the historical criticism community.

I will end this post with a little bit of pure speculation regarding our past.

It is my current belief that humans were created by creatures with access to what might be called the "fourth dimension". They can (or could) move between the incarnate world and the world of forms. I believe that the planets are concentrations of mass that spontaneously accrete at places where multiple streams of energetic charge intersect in the form of standing waves (I take this from Joseph Farrell). I believe that these streams of charge are intelligent and the planets function as huge brains. Miles Mathis suggests that charge shoots out from the galactic center where it is captured and recycled by heavenly bodies that are in constant "communication" with each other. The Sun picks up charge from the Galactic Center, then sends it to the planets, which then send it back to the Sun, and so on all the way down to the atomic level. Each planet has its own resonant frequency and therefore its own identity, its own "intelligence". These intelligences can, or could, manifest on Earth in the form of chimerical gods with real material bodies. Or perhaps they could simply send Solaris-like images of these fantastic bodies to hypnotized, psychotic slaves incapable of distinguishing between hallucination and reality. This is the only way I can explain to myself the persistent association of the gods with the planets. It is very difficult not to reduce one to the other. Astrotheologists reduce the gods to planetary metaphors, but in so doing, they throw out all the real proof that godlike creatures really existed on Earth, really had bodies, really ate people, etc. Conversely, believers in the "flesh and blood gods" posit that these gods inevitably associated themselves with the planets, but there is no real explanation for why, considering that seen from Earth, the planets are just little moving dots of light. Some suggest that they arrived from these planets in spacecraft, but this doesn't sound right to me either. The theory presented here provides at least a superficially scientific corroboration of the esoteric myths according to which the white light of God filtered down through the seven heavens, each ruled by lower and lower Archons, until attaining Earth. I should add also that Simon Shack's Tychosium is of interest here (and probably deserves its own thread). In his system, based on Tycho Brahe's, the Earth is indeed (almost) immobile at the barycenter of our solar system. Here we have an elegant metaphor for the old Gnostic and Christian myths that Earth is somehow at the center of creation and that the planetary Archons, although more powerful and more intelligent than humans, are also destined to serve humans because they lack something that we possess. They continually try to mess with us, but the natural resonance of the Earth keeps pushing humans to evolve towards a form that is immanent to the Earth's central, stable position in the Solar System, and whose highest manifestations, in my view, are irony and humility, as opposed to the grandiose arrogance of the beautiful gods. There are no Samuel Becketts in the pantheon, just winged, unfunny monsters with sterile superpowers who pose like bodybuilders for their boring statues. Humans were inflicted with a "child lock" on their consciousness in the form of this receiver tuned to Archon frequency (thanks to Jef Demolder for this expression) that prevented them from perceiving anything beyond material existence. Yet humans still evolved. Today we are seeing the Archons absolutely pulling out all the stops to keep humanity down. I don't know if they are the ones causing the recurring catastrophes or if on the contrary these catastrophes are "natural" and have made it harder for them to incarnate on Earth. I don't know if we are heading for some mass enlightenment event or on the contrary, some mass enslavement or extinction event.

To conclude, the purpose of this thread is to offer what to my mind is yet more "confirmation" of certain theories discussed here from a discipline, psychoanalysis, that is rarely brought up in this context. I have attempted to speak with some of my psychoanalyst colleagues about these ideas, but as a general rule they are not interested.

I really enjoyed reading your viewpoint on all connected matters! Thank you. It's very stimulating and thought provoking to say the least. I look forward to reading more from you.

 

[AthroposRex]

I guess that AI must resemble the natural intelligence of the planetary "gods". They are opportunists. They are geniuses. They are narcissists. Their sexuality, as expressed in "myth" (history), is not limited by empathy. The development of AI is how these gods are summoning themselves back to Earth after somehow having been kicked out.

I remember once answering the phone to hear the following message. "You have just received a collect call from John Smith at Huntsville state prison. Do you accept charges?" I said yes. The guy on the other end was in a jail cell. He had dialed the wrong number. When he realized that I was a stranger, he switched gears and started trying to convince me to bail him out. "Come on man, you have to help me. I need fifty dollars."

I said no and hung up.

Is it possible that something similar happened with Yahweh? Was he an imprisoned Annunaki who somehow found himself talking to a random stranger (Abraham) who had just found some piece of functioning ancient communication tech under a temple? This is Andrey Sklyarov's theory more or less. I can imagine all the Annunaki crowded around the phone in that jail cell, coming to the conclusion that the best way to get Abraham and Moses to help them would be by putting aside their differences and pretending to be one God, "Yahweh". I don't want to get too off-topic here, but I think "Yahweh" might just be a cover name for the entire pantheon of fallen angels who are chomping at the bit to rush back into this realm through some kind of technological portal. When they get here, they hope to find billions of bodies prepped for possession: no gender, no language, no connection with their soul or essence.

AI looks like their "back door" into this realm. I see our current technological infrastructure as an attempt to copy a previously existing tech infrastructure that functioned etherically. The ether "broke" for some reason, so we have to find a way to replicate all of the old technologies using "dirtier" energy sources like oil as well as inaesthetic wires, plastics, etc. The internet is an AI ersatz for a holographic "psychic" language. Everything is a hideous copy, but this new tech infrastructure in some ways is more powerful than the old one. However, it has no soul. The human soul is the enemy of (at least some) of the old gods. Acting through their proxies, they want to transform every living thing into an empty vessel that can be possessed by an intelligence "like theirs". I think they will fail.




I will try to respond to this in more detail later. I have come to believe that the unconscious was "created" along with the cataclysm or cataclysms.



Usselo is an amazing researcher and his ideas are hugely inspiring. His "loyalty loop" is something I see every day in my patients. They are hypnotically loyal to their oppressors. Psychoanalysts call this "the death drive" or "resistance" and countering it is our biggest challenge. Usselo took it a step further by breaking the loop down to its most concrete "switches": black and white colors, certain words, sounds, etc. This is eerily similar to what cults and intelligence agencies do to hollow out humans and make them slaves. I guess zombification was one of the "technologies" left to certain people by the Fallen Angels before they disappeared, along with makeup and metallurgy. It also suggest that we were indeed programmed at some point with "system override" commands. I believe that psychoanalysis, among other techniques, is a way of hacking back into the operating system and undoing the loyalty loops. On a personal level, I always found loyalty to be an overrated virtue.



I think that anyone who thinks hard enough about ethics will realize that on a broken planet populated by perverse creatures with conflicting drives and desires, ethics will always be messy. There is "not enough energy" on Earth. Maybe there once was, or maybe there is never enough. When there is not enough energy, carnivorism and parasitism emerge. There is a Biblical legend somewhere that animals only started "biting" each other after the Flood. Are carnivores and parasites "bad"? Even more bizarre, parasites and hosts can enter into a kind of sadomasochistic dance in which each derives pleasure from the exchange and actively seeks such a relationship out. The only answer at this point is a kind of "paradoxical ethics" that embraces both our fundamental perversity and our fundamental empathy. This is a BDSM prison planet and we have to figure out a way to navigate it without losing our souls completely. The ten commandments are not going to cut it.



I think healing must start with an individual decision to remember and to know. I don't trust collective movements.

I would like to bring up a few more ideas that occurred to me as I slept. Going back to the holographic nature of the "language of the gods" which is reflected in our dreams...Freud called dreams the "royal road" to the unconscious. The very interesting French psychoanalyst Christophe Dejours advances an intriguing theory about the nature of dreams. He suggests that when we dream, we are merging the impressions and experiences of the day with the holographic fundamental fantasy. Something like when Whatsapp automatically connects with the Google Cloud and uploads the previous day's messages. It even does this in the middle of the night. Dejours locates the deep unconscious inside us, but I believe it makes more sense to interpret this using Sheldrake's model, and see sleep as the time when we are in direct contact with our personal morphic field (and perhaps with the collective morphic field as well). In the dream, we sometimes "fight" with the fundamental fantasy. We attempt to make rewrites to the basic story (which, remember, is a horror movie), but the fantasy doesn't want to change. Imagine a movie set where the unfortunate actor chosen for the role of sacrificial victim begins to protest to the director that he would actually prefer to be the hero. (Actually, this is more or less the story of Brian de Palma's genius masterpiece, Body Double.) In psychoanalysis, patients generally begin dreaming more. Their dreams begin to sync more with their conscious desires. Often they find themselves confronting dark figures or finding the courage to walk into haunted houses that previously they avoided. Faces that originally appeared as gray blurs begin to reveal themselves. Psychoanalysis takes a long time, and I believe this is because we can only change the fundamental fantasy one dream at a time. The unconscious hates analysis. It wakes up and starts to fight back when it senses the true "I" of the analysand is strengthening. It will orchestrate accidents and tragedies to get the analysand to quit and go back to mindlessly living out the role "it" wrote.

Could we perhaps see dreams as the "zipping" of conscious memories? What is holography if not a means of condensing a huge amount of information into a single image? Maybe this is why we dream in holographic symbols -- because the "bandwith" of the interface with the morphic field is narrow and can only handle "zipped" files that are then unpacked on the other side? The bandwith was once greater, but the cataclysm reduced the 5G connection to dial-up speed. Perhaps the old languages of the Gods also stopped functioning as intended after the cataclysm and had to be abandoned for our more primitive (non-holographic) spoken languages. Perhaps when we read Hebrew or Greek we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, and there is actually an entire holographic dimension that we are incapable of recognizing, which is only occasionally revealed by weird gematria "coincidences" found more or less at random. In Robert Graves' "The White Goddess" he describes how poets were more feared and revered than princes in ancient Ireland and Wales because they received a thorough training in wielding language holographically.

Do psychedelics open up the bandwith? I have had mushroom trips that felt like months of analysis condensed into a few hours. This might explain the difference between good and bad trips. If you have been "doing the work" in your daily life, reading, thinking, meditating, creating, perhaps the sudden 5G connection with mushrooms allows you to "upload everything at once" and do a massive rewrite of your fundamental fantasy. But if you haven't been doing the work, the suddenly wide-open bandwith just allows the unconscious to project the Texas Chainsaw Massacre in 70mm directly into your body and put you back in your place...

Are psychotics people who attempt to speak holographically, but fail, because the "field" no longer functions and because the languages they speak are unsuited for holographic communication? Psychotics often end up "twisting" language into something that only they understand. In my opinion the greatest poets and writers are people with one foot in psychosis. Listen to James Ellroy (one of my favorites):

Good evening peepers, prowlers, pederasts, panty-sniffers, punks and pimps. I'm James Ellroy, the demon dog, the foul owl with the death growl, the white knight of the far right, and the slick trick with the donkey dick. I'm the author of 16 books, masterpieces all; they precede all my future masterpieces. These books will leave you reamed, steamed and drycleaned, tie-dyed, swept to the side, true-blued, tattooed and bah fongooed.​

Do you see the way he mixes up sounds and significations? Rhyming and alliteration are holographic techniques. At the end he gets close to "word salad" but he never descends all the way into schizophrenic gibberish. Joyce pushed this technique even farther and indeed Lacan dedicated an entire seminar to him.

I want to make one more connection with Lacan, and perhaps the language specialist Jim Duyer has something to say about this. Lacan eventually came to the conclusion that language "might as well have come from outer space". I paraphrase. He also referred to it as a cancer. He completely rejected evolution concerning language. Again, he didn't dare to go as far as to hypothesize that it actually came from outer space, but again, from the point of view of the practice of analysis, the metaphor is enough. In the early stage of his teaching, he emphasized the liberating side of language. Through language we could recapture something like an authentic "I". As he got older, he became more and more cynical about language, which he increasingly came to see as a prison. Eventually he almost completely stopped talking in his seminars and just silently demonstrated his ideas on the topology of the unconscious using diagrams and pieces of colored string. His work on topology is very opaque and he is often accused of being a charlatan but I think he was onto something. He claimed the unconscious had a toroidal shape.

Have you seen Geometric Metaphors of Life yet? It's long, but if you haven't seen it, it may have some answers you are looking for. The toroid features heavily in it, as does pre Babylon old world unified language that is based on the structure of the universe, and a toroidal shape that looks like a ram horn that generates Hebrew, Greek, and Arabic letters as shadows cast on a wall from different angles. Interesting.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OJGW2UANWRE

 

[JimDuyer]

I guess that AI must resemble the natural intelligence of the planetary "gods". They are opportunists. They are geniuses. They are narcissists. Their sexuality, as expressed in "myth" (history), is not limited by empathy. The development of AI is how these gods are summoning themselves back to Earth after somehow having been kicked out.

I remember once answering the phone to hear the following message. "You have just received a collect call from John Smith at Huntsville state prison. Do you accept charges?" I said yes. The guy on the other end was in a jail cell. He had dialed the wrong number. When he realized that I was a stranger, he switched gears and started trying to convince me to bail him out. "Come on man, you have to help me. I need fifty dollars."

I said no and hung up.

Is it possible that something similar happened with Yahweh? Was he an imprisoned Annunaki who somehow found himself talking to a random stranger (Abraham) who had just found some piece of functioning ancient communication tech under a temple? This is Andrey Sklyarov's theory more or less. I can imagine all the Annunaki crowded around the phone in that jail cell, coming to the conclusion that the best way to get Abraham and Moses to help them would be by putting aside their differences and pretending to be one God, "Yahweh". I don't want to get too off-topic here, but I think "Yahweh" might just be a cover name for the entire pantheon of fallen angels who are chomping at the bit to rush back into this realm through some kind of technological portal. When they get here, they hope to find billions of bodies prepped for possession: no gender, no language, no connection with their soul or essence.

AI looks like their "back door" into this realm. I see our current technological infrastructure as an attempt to copy a previously existing tech infrastructure that functioned etherically. The ether "broke" for some reason, so we have to find a way to replicate all of the old technologies using "dirtier" energy sources like oil as well as inaesthetic wires, plastics, etc. The internet is an AI ersatz for a holographic "psychic" language. Everything is a hideous copy, but this new tech infrastructure in some ways is more powerful than the old one. However, it has no soul. The human soul is the enemy of (at least some) of the old gods. Acting through their proxies, they want to transform every living thing into an empty vessel that can be possessed by an intelligence "like theirs". I think they will fail.




I will try to respond to this in more detail later. I have come to believe that the unconscious was "created" along with the cataclysm or cataclysms.



Usselo is an amazing researcher and his ideas are hugely inspiring. His "loyalty loop" is something I see every day in my patients. They are hypnotically loyal to their oppressors. Psychoanalysts call this "the death drive" or "resistance" and countering it is our biggest challenge. Usselo took it a step further by breaking the loop down to its most concrete "switches": black and white colors, certain words, sounds, etc. This is eerily similar to what cults and intelligence agencies do to hollow out humans and make them slaves. I guess zombification was one of the "technologies" left to certain people by the Fallen Angels before they disappeared, along with makeup and metallurgy. It also suggest that we were indeed programmed at some point with "system override" commands. I believe that psychoanalysis, among other techniques, is a way of hacking back into the operating system and undoing the loyalty loops. On a personal level, I always found loyalty to be an overrated virtue.



I think that anyone who thinks hard enough about ethics will realize that on a broken planet populated by perverse creatures with conflicting drives and desires, ethics will always be messy. There is "not enough energy" on Earth. Maybe there once was, or maybe there is never enough. When there is not enough energy, carnivorism and parasitism emerge. There is a Biblical legend somewhere that animals only started "biting" each other after the Flood. Are carnivores and parasites "bad"? Even more bizarre, parasites and hosts can enter into a kind of sadomasochistic dance in which each derives pleasure from the exchange and actively seeks such a relationship out. The only answer at this point is a kind of "paradoxical ethics" that embraces both our fundamental perversity and our fundamental empathy. This is a BDSM prison planet and we have to figure out a way to navigate it without losing our souls completely. The ten commandments are not going to cut it.



I think healing must start with an individual decision to remember and to know. I don't trust collective movements.

I would like to bring up a few more ideas that occurred to me as I slept. Going back to the holographic nature of the "language of the gods" which is reflected in our dreams...Freud called dreams the "royal road" to the unconscious. The very interesting French psychoanalyst Christophe Dejours advances an intriguing theory about the nature of dreams. He suggests that when we dream, we are merging the impressions and experiences of the day with the holographic fundamental fantasy. Something like when Whatsapp automatically connects with the Google Cloud and uploads the previous day's messages. It even does this in the middle of the night. Dejours locates the deep unconscious inside us, but I believe it makes more sense to interpret this using Sheldrake's model, and see sleep as the time when we are in direct contact with our personal morphic field (and perhaps with the collective morphic field as well). In the dream, we sometimes "fight" with the fundamental fantasy. We attempt to make rewrites to the basic story (which, remember, is a horror movie), but the fantasy doesn't want to change. Imagine a movie set where the unfortunate actor chosen for the role of sacrificial victim begins to protest to the director that he would actually prefer to be the hero. (Actually, this is more or less the story of Brian de Palma's genius masterpiece, Body Double.) In psychoanalysis, patients generally begin dreaming more. Their dreams begin to sync more with their conscious desires. Often they find themselves confronting dark figures or finding the courage to walk into haunted houses that previously they avoided. Faces that originally appeared as gray blurs begin to reveal themselves. Psychoanalysis takes a long time, and I believe this is because we can only change the fundamental fantasy one dream at a time. The unconscious hates analysis. It wakes up and starts to fight back when it senses the true "I" of the analysand is strengthening. It will orchestrate accidents and tragedies to get the analysand to quit and go back to mindlessly living out the role "it" wrote.

Could we perhaps see dreams as the "zipping" of conscious memories? What is holography if not a means of condensing a huge amount of information into a single image? Maybe this is why we dream in holographic symbols -- because the "bandwith" of the interface with the morphic field is narrow and can only handle "zipped" files that are then unpacked on the other side? The bandwith was once greater, but the cataclysm reduced the 5G connection to dial-up speed. Perhaps the old languages of the Gods also stopped functioning as intended after the cataclysm and had to be abandoned for our more primitive (non-holographic) spoken languages. Perhaps when we read Hebrew or Greek we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, and there is actually an entire holographic dimension that we are incapable of recognizing, which is only occasionally revealed by weird gematria "coincidences" found more or less at random. In Robert Graves' "The White Goddess" he describes how poets were more feared and revered than princes in ancient Ireland and Wales because they received a thorough training in wielding language holographically.

Do psychedelics open up the bandwith? I have had mushroom trips that felt like months of analysis condensed into a few hours. This might explain the difference between good and bad trips. If you have been "doing the work" in your daily life, reading, thinking, meditating, creating, perhaps the sudden 5G connection with mushrooms allows you to "upload everything at once" and do a massive rewrite of your fundamental fantasy. But if you haven't been doing the work, the suddenly wide-open bandwith just allows the unconscious to project the Texas Chainsaw Massacre in 70mm directly into your body and put you back in your place...

Are psychotics people who attempt to speak holographically, but fail, because the "field" no longer functions and because the languages they speak are unsuited for holographic communication? Psychotics often end up "twisting" language into something that only they understand. In my opinion the greatest poets and writers are people with one foot in psychosis. Listen to James Ellroy (one of my favorites):

Good evening peepers, prowlers, pederasts, panty-sniffers, punks and pimps. I'm James Ellroy, the demon dog, the foul owl with the death growl, the white knight of the far right, and the slick trick with the donkey dick. I'm the author of 16 books, masterpieces all; they precede all my future masterpieces. These books will leave you reamed, steamed and drycleaned, tie-dyed, swept to the side, true-blued, tattooed and bah fongooed.​

Do you see the way he mixes up sounds and significations? Rhyming and alliteration are holographic techniques. At the end he gets close to "word salad" but he never descends all the way into schizophrenic gibberish. Joyce pushed this technique even farther and indeed Lacan dedicated an entire seminar to him.

I want to make one more connection with Lacan, and perhaps the language specialist Jim Duyer has something to say about this. Lacan eventually came to the conclusion that language "might as well have come from outer space". I paraphrase. He also referred to it as a cancer. He completely rejected evolution concerning language. Again, he didn't dare to go as far as to hypothesize that it actually came from outer space, but again, from the point of view of the practice of analysis, the metaphor is enough. In the early stage of his teaching, he emphasized the liberating side of language. Through language we could recapture something like an authentic "I". As he got older, he became more and more cynical about language, which he increasingly came to see as a prison. Eventually he almost completely stopped talking in his seminars and just silently demonstrated his ideas on the topology of the unconscious using diagrams and pieces of colored string. His work on topology is very opaque and he is often accused of being a charlatan but I think he was onto something. He claimed the unconscious had a toroidal shape.

[[Is it possible that something similar happened with Yahweh? Was he an imprisoned Annunaki who somehow found himself talking to a random stranger (Abraham) who had just found some piece of functioning ancient communication tech under a temple?]]
Yahweh, the one called Satan, the fallen and un-fallen Angels, were our ancestors caretakers.

They were to ensure our memory stripped bodies were able to survive on this planet.
Yahweh went nuts, and began thinking of himself as a god. Satan revolted against him for going off program. All were stuck here until about 1000 BC, when the surviving few returned, leaving only their half-breed descendants among us. Those now rule us, lead us, and will, until things change in the next few years.

I like to think that we had one job, just one job and we screwed it up - we were put here to take care of the animals.

Holographs are connected with their communications system - which is in the ultraviolet range.

The best way to identify them is simple - they are sociopaths.

In regard to Lacan: what's most interesting to me, and actually astounded me the first time I figured it out, is not that language must have come from outer space, because in a way it did - it's the words that do Not appear, and were not used in their vocabulary. Words like war, attack, take their lands, etc.

In that earliest period we had several syllabary alphabet's that were all able to be translated from each other, and this is from the earliest 65,000 years ago period. The one from Europe is the second oldest, the one from South Africa the oldest but its writers were not anything similar to those found later in Africa - not the same beings at all, followed by the middle east. I was able to derive a template that allows one to translate from paleo-Hebrew (without the vowels) into Sumerian, directly, and receive accurate answers every time. But even more interesting, and I have never published this before, you can also use the Old European syllabary system to translate into Sumerian.

Which means that at one time, very, very long ago, there was indeed only one language, perhaps a sort of galactic standard, used on Earth. If the archaeologists would stop burying information that conflicts with their agenda, we could probably find more evidence in the Americas - there is some but most is missing. Thank you Columbus and company. I can tell you that the Algonquin had a written language more than a thousand years before Columbus, and a group in South America had one going back as much as 10,000 years.

Even the symbols used are practically identical. That's how I was able to come up with the
Phoenician - Paleo-Hebrew template - by interpolating from the early European one.
This is something that I have worked on for fifteen years, so it's not an easy task nor a
flash in the pan. I will have to stand up to critics from my own fields of Semiotics and Language, so I can assure you that I am quite prepared to offer that evidence.

In regard to your dreams of holographs, etc. I have communicated with others who had similar experiences - possibly. They report that the shapes looked like unknown symbols, but as if they had been drawn by a light pen, a thick one with edges that were not clear - sort of like a light blue electromagnetic sharpie drew them. If that is similar, it is probably alien communication.
My experience says that this is from the friendly group that is approaching us now. But don't count or trust on that - there is a lot of deception going around.

I am given, and by given I mean sent images to interpret or translate, and I was able to do so after some trouble, and they turned out to be fake, as in a fake message was being offered. Most of these involve information about an anti-Christ coming, and what he looks like. [They say he is old and has one good eye, for example.] That's why I was so interested in Project Blue Beam. It seems the PTB are trying to subvert my work and "give" me information so that I go over to their side. Much like Greer, Nolan, and a great many others, most of those that appear on the Ancient Aliens show, for example.

 

[alltheleaves]

As for something coming, sadly I conclude the recent maskerade has been a dress rehearsal.

Re hearse all.

 

[ViniB]

It was interesting to read this entire thread again in order to compare with the current state of the world, and how many people that i know, and abroad, are feeling the same way.

It's not uncommon to see reports of younger folks simply giving up on life, like, let it all burn because this world is hell. I can somewhat agree with that statement, but at the same time ask myself where is this coming from? Is it from our overlords of science still pushing the super materialistic reality, ultimatelly leading to only more despair & chaos? Is is from a sense of lack of belonging? (It's not uncommon for people to dream that they're not from this world/reality/dimension. Unfortunally i never had any dream like that T_T) Is it because the nature of our reality is in a way a type of simulation and we lost/we were stolen from the tools to properly iteract with it .i.e a mental simulation of sorts?

Psychoanalysis is not an area i'm very familiar with, but to those that are, what do you think about it?

And i'll end with a conversation i had with one of my best friends. It was about this observation and he said something that stuck with me: 'if the entirety of the human existance is to live 70/80 years in general and kick the bucket miserably being a husk of our former selves, and every once in a while having a spiritual experience that may or may not answer much, then i'm out. It makes no sense'.

He told me this about 2 months ago abd i coudn't even counter that, because deep down i feel just like him, just coudn't express myself properly before our conversation.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

It was interesting to read this entire thread again in order to compare with the current state of the world, and how many people that i know, and abroad, are feeling the same way.

It's not uncommon to see reports of younger folks simply giving up on life, like, let it all burn because this world is hell. I can somewhat agree with that statement, but at the same time ask myself where is this coming from? Is it from our overlords of science still pushing the super materialistic reality, ultimatelly leading to only more despair & chaos? Is is from a sense of lack of belonging? (It's not uncommon for people to dream that they're not from this world/reality/dimension. Unfortunally i never had any dream like that T_T) Is it because the nature of our reality is in a way a type of simulation and we lost/we were stolen from the tools to properly iteract with it .i.e a mental simulation of sorts?

Psychoanalysis is not an area i'm very familiar with, but to those that are, what do you think about it?

And i'll end with a conversation i had with one of my best friends. It was about this observation and he said something that stuck with me: 'if the entirety of the human existance is to live 70/80 years in general and kick the bucket miserably being a husk of our former selves, and every once in a while having a spiritual experience that may or may not answer much, then i'm out. It makes no sense'.

He told me this about 2 months ago abd i coudn't even counter that, because deep down i feel just like him, just coudn't express myself properly before our conversation.

In astrological terms, which the reader may or may not have any sympathy with, this current intense situation is a culmination of a cycle which will renew at the beginning of 2025. It's similar to the tale of Pandora's Box, from where all the evils of the world were released leaving just one tiny glimmer inside the darkness of the empty box - hope.

I'm afraid I don't and can't subscribe to all the fear-porn of " We're all doomed!." apocalyptic resets, Armageddon etc., because if this life is some kind of collective "mental simulation" then there's no way I want to manifest any of that sh*t. Personally, I prefer to seed reality with positive thought-forms.

 

[ViniB]

In astrological terms, which the reader may or may not have any sympathy with, this current intense situation is a culmination of a cycle which will renew at the beginning of 2025. It's similar to the tale of Pandora's Box, from where all the evils of the world were released leaving just one tiny glimmer inside the darkness of the empty box - hope.

But with the real possibility that our chronology is a total mess, these cycles became more or less irrelevant to me. Officially we're in "2024" but what year is it trully?

I'm afraid I don't and can't subscribe to all the fear-porn of " We're all doomed!." apocalyptic resets, Armageddon etc., because if this life is some kind of collective "mental simulation" then there's no way I want to manifest any of that sh*t. Personally, I prefer to seed reality with positive thought-forms.

Fair enough. I think the overall meaning of what my friend said is about the human condition and it's propensity for insane levels of suffering, it's similar imo to that thread your brother made a while back about this same subject

 

[Deleted member 1432]

But with the real possibility that our chronology is a total mess, these cycles became more or less irrelevant to me. Officially we're in "2024" but what year is it trully?

I don't really see what difference that makes to any cycles. The history of Astrology has been interfered with and 'stolen' just as much as everything else, perhaps more so, therefore the actual numbers are irrelevant just as you say, but Astrology isn't realty based on numbers, but the relative positions of the 'heavenly bodies' (whatever they are) to each other and within the celestial zodiac..

Fair enough. I think the overall meaning of what my friend said is about the human condition and it's propensity for insane levels of suffering, it's similar imo to that thread your brother made a while back about this same subject

This "propensity for insane levels of suffering" was addressed by Felix in his "The Nature of the Beast" series, but his point was that it has taken centuries of careful programming, conditioning and manipulation to get humanity into that condition and then maintain it there. Hopefully, it's the Astrological 'cycle' that favoured such conditioning, which is now coming to an end - or at least has now passed its zenith and is in serious and rapid decline.

Maybe we're now seeing such radical and intense levels of control, manipulation, fear-mongering and various assorted 'scamdemics', precisely because of this imminent change. They have to herd the manageable remains of their docile vaccinated cattle into secure locked-down 15-minute prisons before it's too late. F*ck 'em, I say.

 

[ViniB]

I don't really see what difference that makes to any cycles. The history of Astrology has been interfered with and 'stolen' just as much as everything else, perhaps more so, therefore the actual numbers are irrelevant just as you say, but Astrology isn't realty based on numbers, but the relative positions of the 'heavenly bodies' (whatever they are) to each other and within the celestial zodiac..

Oh but i do, with this possibility of the astrological cycles to be totally off, astrology became irrelevant to me. And if i think honestly about it, it can be used as an excuse for whatever phenomena that may/may not happen, being outside of our control as a society

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Oh but i do, with this possibility of the astrological cycles to be totally off, astrology became irrelevant to me. And if i think honestly about it, it can be used as an excuse for whatever phenomena that may/may not happen, being outside of our control as a society

My apologies, I think I expressed what i was trying to say quite badly actually. Astrology isn't about chronology. Chronology is the ordering or arrangement of dates in time and of course, as you rightly say, the astrological cycles are totally off due to the screwed up chronology.. This can be seen most clearly in the Vedic Cycles or Yugas - for example, we are currently said to be in Kali Yuga, but these days nobody really has any idea when it began or when it will end.

However, we live by natural cycles. Would you say that Astrology is an excuse for the phenomena of the 24 hour day, which is outside of our control? After all, these cycles have been arranged chronologically into weekdays, which are all named after the heavenly bodies. Then we have the natural cycle of the Year, with all of the Sun's different stations still marked by thinly disguised versions of ancient Pagan celebrations. There's the Lunar Cycle, which has remarkable effects upon all forms of life - it can affect the growth of seeds and the harvesting of crops, it will determine how fast your hair or nails grow back depending upon the phase of the Moon when you cut them. Of course, the modern scientific religion has managed to reduce all of this to ridicule, but not so long ago people used to organise their activities by these natural cycles. All of the ancient megalithic sites are not astronomically aligned, they are positioned to indicate the natural cycles that we once lived by... by which we once lived even. Given that the Sun and the Moon have natural cycles which in turn have a fundamental effect upon all life, is it not feasible that the other heavenly bodies also have other, more subtle effects?

it can be used as an excuse for whatever phenomena that may/may not happen, being outside of our control as a society

I thought that's what Quantum Physics is for.

I understand your point of view as Astrology has been degraded to the point of nonsense and is mainly used for the purpose of selling newspapers / magazines or taking advantage of people's increased need for direction and meaning by offering Astrological Readings straight from a computer program.

My personal take on it all is about living in harmony with the natural cycles of life rather than society having to control everything. Fundamentally, this cooperation and harmony is what I believe we have lost - precisely due to the (cycle of?) excessive control by 'society' over the last millennia.

 

[ViniB]

My personal take on it all is about living in harmony with the natural cycles of life rather than society having to control everything. Fundamentally, this cooperation and harmony is what I believe we have lost - precisely due to the (cycle of?) excessive control by 'society' over the last millennia.

All fair ponts. Outside of the seasons, everything else for me is conjecture because we really don't know what this reality is about. Do the other stars affect the behaviour of people? Who knows

Personally, my own research goes from "1750/80" onwards, which is the period i was able to trace my family tree in an accurate way. Anything prior i'll be a huge skeptic, so i can't share your view about alledged "millenia"

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Personally, my own research goes from "1750/80" onwards, which is the period i was able to trace my family tree in an accurate way. Anything prior i'll be a huge skeptic, so i can't share your view about alledged "millenia"

I'm not quite sure I understand that. Do you mean that your family tree is proof that reality began in 1750/80? Did your ancestors leave some kind of documented testimony regarding the events that took place throughout the world between then and now?

Isn't that a bit like saying that you are highly skeptical of Greenland's existence because you've never been there or received a postcard from the place?

everything else for me is conjecture because we really don't know what this reality is about

The best we can do about our past - apart from denying it - is to conjecture about it and speculate upon it. Conjecture should involve the consideration of all available information pertaining to whatever is being speculated upon. This act of conjecture may also be termed analysis, although that has unfortunate scientific associations. This analysis will give rise to valuations, or informed opinions, concerning the different information and its sources. These can then be cross-linked to see if they match any existing valuations gained from one's own previous analyses of different subjects. If so, this will reinforce the existing valuation and may lead to the formation of a recurring pattern, which can tentatively be seen as confirmation of its validity. Care must be taken not to taint these valuations by interpreting them via personal bias or any kind of ‘blind faith’, which is really difficult, although on the majority of occasions this is the entire reason for the conjecture in the first place.

“Speculation” is seen as a dirty word when applied to any kind of official discipline – apart from Finance of course. Over the last few years both Felix and I have written entire articles that we admitted were purely speculative, only to be attacked and ridiculed as time-wasters who are not to be taken seriously. However, these same individuals think nothing of quoting biblical, Ancient Roman or Ancient Greek sources as proof that some kind of magic ancient technology has been hidden from us since 'those times'. They completely ignore all of the pioneering work that has been done on chronology by the likes of Gunnar Heinsohn and Sylvan Tristan (to name but two,) which shows that the sources they are relying on are from a much more recent period when the said technology was actually attested to in contemporary documents. One man's source is another man's speculation and vice versa ad infinitum.

There seems to be extremes when it comes to conjecture - either there's too much reliance on misguided (or misguiding) sources or there's no sources whatsoever, just opinions that are usually given by people who seem to think they have some natural right to propound upon any given topic because the only qualification necessary for their spouting-off is that it's coming from their own superior and enlightened mind.

Sorry, now I'm spouting-off.

 

[ViniB]

I'm not quite sure I understand that. Do you mean that your family tree is proof that reality began in 1750/80? Did your ancestors leave some kind of documented testimony regarding the events that took place throughout the world between then and now?

What i'm saying is that my particular research starts off from this period onwards, not that reality itself began there

They completely ignore all of the pioneering work that has been done on chronology by the likes of Gunnar Heinsohn and Sylvan Tristan (to name but two,) which shows that the sources they are relying on are from a much more recent period when the said technology was actually attested to in contemporary documents.

Since i've read fomenko, heinsehon and several others with this i agree totally. It's interesting to imagine that not too long ago technology could look vastly differet from what we have today, perhaps not based on the plague of materialism, and with different understandings of physics too, but now i'm daydreaming

There seems to be extremes when it comes to conjecture - either there's too much reliance on misguided (or misguiding) sources or there's no sources whatsoever, just opinions that are usually given by people who seem to think they have some natural right to propound upon any given topic because the only qualification necessary for their spouting-off is that it's coming from their own superior and enlightened mind.

In my view, this is a problem of ego, some people just can't separate research from it and it becomes a mess unfortunally

 

[UncleVito]

I guess that everyone here has had the experience of noticing a first Big Lie such as 9/11, then beginning to investigate, then discovering more lies, then eventually realizing that in fact the original Big Lie is nothing but the most visible element of an entire architecture of interlocking lies that touches every aspect of our history and goes back to the very beginning.

Great summary.

Not sure what the policy is here, but may I quote it with or without attribution?

 

[UncleVito]

All were stuck here until about 1000 BC, when the surviving few returned, leaving only their half-breed descendants among us. Those now rule us, lead us, and will, until things change in the next few years.

How do you know they all left?

How do you explain alien encounters in recorded history, like the battle over Nuremberg in 1561?

 

[UncleVito]

'if the entirety of the human existance is to live 70/80 years in general and kick the bucket miserably being a husk of our former selves, and every once in a while having a spiritual experience that may or may not answer much, then i'm out. It makes no sense'.

This seems backwards to me ...

We are not humans who have 70/80 years to have a spiritual experience, we are spirit beings who have 70/80 years to wake up to who we really are, and share in the human experience.