Stolen History and Psychoanalysis

[ViniB]

This seems backwards to me ...

We are not humans who have 70/80 years to have a spiritual experience, we are spirit beings who have 70/80 years to wake up to who we really are, and share in the human experience.

This doesn't answer much tbh, it feels just like every new age theory out there boils down to this idea of "sharing the human experience". Alright, why? Why the need to share, so the collective 'hive mind' can evolve?? Then i'll say this entity is a parasite, not a benevolent creator

 

[UncleVito]

This doesn't answer much tbh, it feels just like every new age theory out there boils down to this idea of "sharing the human experience". Alright, why? Why the need to share, so the collective 'hive mind' can evolve?? Then i'll say this entity is a parasite, not a benevolent creator

Language seems inadequate to discuss these concepts, in part because these insights are experiential, not intellectual.

Share, in this usage, is not about me having something that I give to you. It's the process of co-creating this reality through our interactions with it.

To experience these truths directly, follow the breadcrumbs left by many great writers, philosophers, and sages of old, and experience the void, source, unity, etc. for yourself.

 

[ViniB]

To experience these truths directly, follow the breadcrumbs left by many great writers, philosophers, and sages of old, and experience the void, source, unity, etc. for yourself.

I'm quite aware of the know thyself path, been in this road for years. Had some quite profound experiences that changed me deeply, but if all these experiences are only to share with the hive mind, i'm all for finding ways to evade this entity, this egotistical "god"

 

[UncleVito]

I'm not familiar with your concepts of hive mind and god. It sounds like you believe they are related, possibly toward some end game?

 

[Frostychud]

A little tangential for this thread, but close enough.

I just finished reading the book "Blood Secrets: The True Story of Demon Worship and Ceremonial Murder" by Isaiah Oke, published in 1989. It is the story of a man from Nigeria, born in the 1950's (he doesn't give exact dates) and initiated as a boy into Juju (witchcraft) by his grandfather, the local witch doctor or Babalorisha/Babalawo.

I read the book because I am curious about the mystery cults of antiquity, magic, the uses and purposes of blood in rituals, and the transition from paganism to monotheism. Well, rather than stick to historical reconstructions, why not read the testimony of someone who comes from a place where the old ways are still alive?

The book starts with his initiation as a young teenager. A series of animals are sacrificed (a chicken, a leopard, a snake) and he is forced to drink their blood. The priests and priestesses officiating these rituals then become the gods and goddesses associated with these animals and teach him lessons about nature and tradition. He is on drugs. He witnesses them physically transform into the animals, or rather, he describes the scene in a way that is halfway between a hallucination, a dream, and a "real" metamorphosis. I immediately thought of the scene in Conan the Barbarian in which Thulsa Doom transforms into a real snake in front of the drugged, frenzied congregants. Interestingly, Conan and the other non-drugged nonbelievers also see the transformation.

Later Oke witnesses several cases of spirit possession and exorcism. Prior to this book, I read a (disappointing) book about demonic possession written by a psychiatrist named Richard Gallagher. The only really interesting piece of information in that book was that demonic possession can be diagnosed when the possessed individual displays otherwise impossible knowledge (such as understanding foreign languages or knowing private secrets about others). Oke's account of possession by "Esu" (Satan) fits with what was written in Gallagher's book.

The witch doctor is not a beloved character in the village but a feared one. He is in contact with the spirit world, and the spirits or "orishas" with whom he communicates hate humans. Why do they hate humans? They just do. The witch doctor is someone who knows how to call on these spirits, placate them with blood sacrifice, and receive blessings from them in return. He is also someone who knows how to "sic" them on others in the form of curses.

At one point Oke goes to Lagos to intern under Dr. Drago, the most fearsome witch doctor in all Nigeria, who is chauffeured around town in a purple Rolls-Royce and zombifies his servants by feeding them some kind of powder made from boiled frogs. Here he makes an interesting observation. He claims that in a village setting, juju is typically used to maintain social integrity. In the city, however, there is no chief to limit the use of magic, so "juju wars" break out in which rival magicians send curses back and forth to each other in exchange for money. As a result, bad juju accumulates, and there is no way for anyone to de-escalate.

Oke describes in great detail a scene where Dr. Drago performs a gruesome human sacrifice in which a white man is slowly tortured to death. Drago has been paid handsomely by an unnamed foreign colonel (the suggestion is that the colonel is Idi Amin) to make the man his "spirit slave" in order to send a message to the "Invisible World" asking the spirits to help him take over his country in a military coup. As the white man is slowly being cut to pieces, the colonel (who has an erection) whispers the messages he is to transmit to the spirits and ancestors. Oke is ultimately called upon by Dr. Drago to perform the "final cut" that puts the man out of his misery.

The ritual is a variation on the familiar scapegoat ritual of the Jews. The Yoruba version is only slightly different. Once a year the people gather to put their sins on an innocent goat, who is then slowly tortured to death, with the logic being that the spirits feed on the pain of the animal. The more the animal suffers, the more likely the spirits are to accept the sacrifice and forgive the sins of the people. Why is it always a goat and not some other animal? How is it possible that this ritual resembles so closely the one described in the Bible?

The juju logic goes something like: if the suffering of an innocent goat is pleasing to the gods, then the suffering of a man must be even more pleasing! Chris Jon Bjerknes argues that Christ was never anything but a perfect scapegoat whose innocence and spiritual purity were arranged precisely in order that he might be the ultimate sacrifice to the evil gods. And of course he had to be tortured first, to boost the power of the sacrifice.

Oke asserts that traditionally, this ritual was reserved for the well-being of the entire village and only employed on important occasions, such as famine or drought. In megacity Lagos, however, there is nothing to stop independent witch doctors from casting the most powerful juju curses for anyone willing to pay. Dr. Drago is one of the richest men in the city as a result of the curses and charms he sells to the highest bidder. Oke describes how being a Babalawo means guaranteed riches, nice clothes, servants, women, power, and respect. There's a straight line here from the African witch doctor to the American inner-city black pimp/dealer.

Juju, once divorced from the traditional rural setting that "contained" it, inevitably transforms everyone into blood-drinking psychopaths, and collective social life into an every-man-for-himself hell.

Oke then meets a black American Christian woman who mocks his juju. He retaliates by casting powerful spells against her, including a gruesome ritual in which he and two assistants capture a monkey, get drunk and high, and hallucinate (?) that the monkey grows to giant size and talks to them. Then they kill the monkey, drink its blood, and leave its severed paw tied to the door of the Christian girl who disrespected him. This curse is supposed to cause her body to slowly rot from the inside. But it doesn't work. Nothing happens to her. Oke slowly becomes interested in Christianity. After becoming a Christian, his village turns against him and sends out sorcerers to curse and kill him.

The climax of the book occurs when Oke, fleeing from his grandfather, who now wants to sacrifice him to the orishas as punishment for converting, returns to the sacred mahogany grove where his grandfather's Place of Power is located. This is the secret shrine where the most violent sacrifice rituals are carried out. Oke crawls into the hollow trunk of a nearby huge, ancient tree where as a child he first encountered the Power. This is in many ways the most interesting scene in the book. Oke recounts how at birth, he was given a secret juju name that he was never to reveal to anybody. When he first crawled into the tree, a voice in his head asked him what his name was. He replies with his official name, but the voice doesn't respond. When he gives his spirit name, however, the Power begins to speak to him. The Power basically scares the shit out of him by telling him how much it hates humans, how it knows everything that has ever happened and ever will, how it will kill him and everybody else, and so on. Again, it is never explained why the spirit world hates humans so much. There is no philosophizing here, no theorizing, no ontology, no Greek-style systematizing, nothing but a pure functional phenomenology of the Invisible World arrived at through hands-on experience.

So, here is Oke, as an adult, half-converted to Christianity, getting drunk and high on powerful substances (Iboga) and climbing back into the tree to meet the Power again. But the Power refuses to talk to him. He has been abandoned. He takes it as a sign that the Power was never anything but a projection of his own unconscious, but the villagers "know" that it is because the Power no longer deigns to speak to him.

Here I think back to the theory of Julian Jaynes, discussed extensively above, that everyone was hallucinating in antiquity, and it was only after some great social upheaval that the voices of the gods went silent. Well, if Oke's narrative can be trusted, this must have been exactly how it happened. We see once again that collective belief is a necessity for these spiritual forces to manifest in the Visible World, and all it takes is one unbelieving outsider to begin the unraveling process.

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[Frostychud]

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After the Power fails to show itself, Oke runs to his grandfather's shrine, destroys all the juju artifacts, and rolls his ancient blood-soaked sacrificial stone into the river. Here I began to wonder if the story really happened or if this book is some kind of Christian propaganda targeting Africans, since this episode is so clearly patterned after the Bible. With that caveat in mind, however, I will assume the story is true for the purpose of this analysis. Well, if it is true, the Bible makes a little more sense now, doesn't it? I've always had a hard time reconciling the two faces of paganism. On the one hand (A), you have the veneration of nature and its cyclical manifestations. You have balance and harmony. You have a nourishing proximity with the Earth and the various spiritual forces that inhabit it. These forces behave in many ways like "animals" that must be dealt with in different ways. It's not always pretty, but then again, where do you think your McNuggets come from, hypocrite? On the other hand (B), you have out-of-control sacrifice. You have perversion and bloodlust and frenzy and incest. You have teenage boys getting messed up on weird drugs, castrating themselves, and running off to become tranny temple prostitutes. What I want to know is, does the "good paganism" of A always lead to the "demon worship" of B, or is B a contingent perversion of A? Well, Oke suggests a tentative answer to that question: A becomes B when people become urbanized.

I know that we can't trust movies too much, as they are all propaganda to some extent, but of course I think here of the Wicker Man, which does a good job of illustrating the uneasy relationship between A and B.

This brings me to a tantalizing theory set forth by Oke:

Now, this would make a lot of sense. AIDS, or "slim disease" as it is known in Africa, is clearly real. I remember being a young adult in the 90's when the AIDS scare propaganda was at its height. I never understood why AIDS was somehow nearly impossible to transmit in the West yet was rampant in Africa. I now doubt that HIV and AIDS have any connection. But it seems clear that lots of Africans really were/are dying of something "like AIDS" that had no real equivalent in the developed world. Well, not only would Oke's theory explain the discrepancy, it actually connects nicely with one of Fomenko's harder-to-accept historical reconstructions and makes it more plausible. In "How it was in Reality", Fomenko argues that the Old Testament account of the genocide of Canaan is actually the deformed account of a campaign waged by the Golden Horde against the refractory and libertarian Western European colonies in (I think) the 15th century. Fomenko claims that the sexual licence of the Western Europeans unleashed a plague of sexually transmitted diseases that endangered the entire empire. Well, herpes sucks, but it's not exactly grounds for genocide, so logically he can only be talking about AIDS or something like AIDS. The decision was therefore taken in Constantinople to exterminate everyone for hygienic reasons. Like many of Fomenko's hypotheses, it is simultaneously brilliant and hard to accept. The Bible certainly talks a lot about "purity" in a way that seems more closely connected to hygiene than morality. But what's the connection between idol worship, sexual excess, and the plague? Well, here we have our connection. The people were not sick because of too much screwing. No, they were sick because of too much ritual blood drinking (which leads to uncontrolled violence and fornication as well according to Oke, since the spirits that possess people want to kill and fuck). If we accept this hypothesis, we understand better why the "Israelites" were so ruthless in their destruction of the sacred groves and altars. We understand as well why they are not allowed to drink blood themselves and must always drain it according to a ritual protocol. Well, doesn't it also make sense that some of the people doing the exterminating would be tempted, once the job was done, to harness for themselves the fabulous power of blood which they had witnessed, by erecting their own Temple dedicated to blood sacrifice and prohibiting all other peoples from using this technology? They seem to believe that this power can be controlled if the proper protocols are observed. In other words, their campaign was not against blood technology as such for ideological reasons, but rather the unauthorized use of blood technology among the people. Imagine, for example, the US military going through Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc. confiscating everyone's unauthorized weapons and maybe even killing anyone who had one. The goal of course would not be to end violence but to concentrate it back where it "belongs", in the hands of the state. It is also easy to imagine that many people might actually cheer on this process, as their lives might improve when the city is freed from gang violence, even if the price is a strengthened and oppressive state.

My takeaway: shared blood generates shared belief. Blood appears to bridge the gap between a personal "hallucinated" experience of the invisible world and a real collective one. I've taken mushrooms and encountered demonic entities, but of course they were "personal", more or less metaphorical demons. Well, it seems like when blood is spilled, these encounters are more easily shared by everyone present. Blood spilled and consumed synchronizes belief among participants in a way that allows it to affect material reality. There's a big difference between encountering a personal demon and being with a group of people who encounter a collective one. After that, no doubt is possible. And when you believe, you become vulnerable. Isn't this what our controllers do to us today? Look at "Covid". Instead of using blood, they used technologically mediated stagecraft (televised hysteria, mass masking, etc.) to induct everyone on Earth into a literal hallucinated reality in which they could be remote-controlled like golems. A lot of people have noticed that nothing ever really went back to normal even after "covid" "ended". Well, that's because that hallucinated false reality was never dispelled. It just became our new default background. I suspect there was something "like" blood in the vaccines, possibly some high-tech synthetic distillate that mimics the function of ritual blood. Oke describes how Dr. Drago was so powerful that he did not just invoke the orishas, he commanded them, which is of course exactly what King Solomon also did from the throne of his blood sacrifice temple. I guess that this is the secret that all high priests everywhere have always known. By living a certain way, by killing something essentially human in yourself linked with empathy, you gain the power to control the demons themselves, which is another way of saying that you control beliefs themselves. Oke describes how Drago was completely untouched by the suffering of the man he tortured, unlike the other men present, who all passed out, vomited, cried, etc. I suspect, for example, that Chasidic Jews dress and behave the way they do for a similar reason. By visibly alienating themselves from the human community at large, they empower themselves to torture goyim the same way Dr. Drago does, with no empathy.

What psychedelic users will tell you, and my experience has tracked with this, is that the demons you encounter on a mushroom trip, for example, are there to help you. They only appear demonic because they bear uncomfortable truths about ourselves that we do not wish to confront out of fear and egotism. The demons you meet in a collective blood ritual, however, do not appear to offer personal growth and synthesis but rather increased psychic fragmentation and psychosis. It would seem that somehow, these rituals allow demons to "jump bodies". So whereas a personal mushroom trip cannot "really hurt you" in the sense that you only encounter split-off parts of yourself which show the way to psychic integration, a collective blood ritual really CAN hurt you, since the demons you meet there come from outside of you.

Maybe the reason the orishas hate humans so much is because they have been created and launched against humanity by priests like Dr. Drago who themselves hate humanity.

Maybe blood is no longer even necessary, because smartphones are even more effective at synchronizing belief and transforming us into remote-controlled slaves than even blood ever was.

 

[Starfire]

Regarding psychoanalysis, I have always had respect for it as a science of the mind that really helps some people. I had respected Freud for helping develop it and bring it to the world. I even idolized him a little bit and considered the psych field as a career. But I did always think his theory of the Oedipus complex was twisted and wrong. I felt it was NOT natural for a daughter to want her father sexually or for a son to want his mother sexually. I was okay with Freud's other ideas.

Then this past year I read two books as part of a book club that changed how I looked at Freud. These are The Assault on Truth and Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition. The (extremely simplified) main takeaways I have are that psychoanalysis emerged as a complete system based on kabbalistic teachings, and that the reason that Freud abandoned his Theory of Seduction is to protect his pedophile friends once he became old enough for his father to teach him the kabbalah.

I know from reading your writing, @Frostychud , that you are fully aware of the world being controlled by blackmail and pedophiles. And you made a reference earlier in the thread about Freud and his Seduction Theory. What do you think about my thoughts?

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I also have some information about blood consumption. Sorry to continue the thread derail, I'll try and keep it brief (for me).

The Book of Jubilees is an older biblical text that is only found complete in the Ethiopian Bible. It is an more detailed version of Genesis and part of Exodus, and is likely the source document for Genesis as we know it today. If you have never read it, you will be shocked at the level of details it includes regarding biblical personalities and timekeeping. The Book of Jubilees admonishes human blood consumption frequently. Here's a text version:

Book of Jubilees Index | Internet Sacred Text Archive

Here is an audio version with read along text:


View: https://youtu.be/V-55RSyJoB4?si=OzOWU9HztCqrMGDJ


Your suggestion that disease (and belief) was caused by consumption of blood could be correct. Based on the current historical narrative the Hebrews would have been a breakaway sect forging a new path without the consumption of blood. In the stolen history version, the Bible and Book of Jubilees were written in the 15th century to restrict the commoners from the benefits and hazards of drinking blood.

It was quite common in the pre-Columbian Americas to drink a beverage mixed with human blood or eat food made with human flesh. This was done specifically by the chiefs and elites as a source of proteins, enzymes and hormones. Many of the elite were of a larger stature and some retained the extended skulls and larger brains of the Peruvian Paracusa. They had a greater need for these nutrients than the rest of the tribe. The first born son of the commoner families were given to the chief for sacrifice and consumption.

First-Born Children Sacrificed with Solemn Ceremonies​

Their custom is to offer up the first-born son to the chief. When the day for the sacrifice is announced to the chief, he proceeds to a place set apart for the purpose, where there is a bench for him, on which he takes his seat. In the middle of the area before him is a wooden stump two feet high, and as many thick, before which the mother sits on her heels, with her face covered in her hands, lamenting the loss of her child. The principal one of her female relatives or friends now offers the child to the chief in worship, after which the women who have accompanied the mother form a circle, and dance around with demonstrations of joy, but without joining hands. She who holds the child goes and dances in the middle, singing some praises of the chief. Meanwhile, six Indians, chosen for the purpose, take their stand apart in a certain place in the open area, and midway among them the sacrificing officer, who is decorated with a sort of magnificence, and holds a club. On the completion of the ceremonies, the sacrificer takes the child, and slays it in honor of the chief, before them all, upon the wooden stump. This offering was on one occasion performed in our presence.

Le Moyne-De Bry Engravings from the Ansbacher Map Collection

Was Pozole Made With Human Meat: Aztec History of Pozole Rojo

Red Haired Giants of Mexico were of the same race as Paracas Eggheads in Peru

 

[SonofaBor]

Psychoanalysis is not an area i'm very familiar with, but to those that are, what do you think about it?

I feel regretful that I came to this thread only yesterday. I can barely contain my excitement for Frostychud's inspired research and the rich, provocative comments.

Here is a key quote:

During Covid, for example, someone who has not yet unplugged from the "inner Big Other" will be vulnerable to psychic attack from maskers and vaxxers on television or in their families. Someone who has realized that the Big Other has no ontological consistency will easily be able to resist this psychic violence, but will still find himself contending with actual, material coercion, which, although oppressive, is much easier to deal with. In my experience, once we unplug from the Big Other, we can suddenly "see" secret passages, hidden tunnels, workarounds and shortcuts that were invisible before. Lacan refused to speak the language of magic or mysticism in general, but the concept of "desire" in his teaching can easily be interpreted this way. For Lacan, desire is something like a river of psychic energy that has the power to alter reality directly. When desire is undammed, life becomes enchanted and "reality" stops hindering you and starts actively helping you. It is only after experiencing firsthand the magic of desire that you can begin to appreciate how unreal reality is...

It was this term, "desire," that always served as an impediment for me to communicate the truth of human subjectivity that I learned from reading Freud and Lacan. Zizek's The Sublime Object of Ideology got me rolling in the early 90s. But it was Zizek who always went about like a mad trickster poisoning the well he helped open; for he would visit universities and pull the most craven news from the media, in Seattle it was a teacher who was impregnated by her 8th grade student, and, then, stare at the horrified (of course, appropriately muted) audience with the stern face of a Chinese-pagan warrior god, and demand people follow their desire. Huh?

Something like this:

Well.... we might call this castration. I sure felt it, because when I read Lacan, in particular, I realized, yes, we have the power to both hold in place the containment field or actively and manifestly create and transform it and ourselves. This realization sounds prosaic and idiotic. But everything was blown open for me for inquiry. The amount of evidence that we live in a Lacanian world, that is, a world mapped by Lacan, at the psychic level is truly astounding.

The way Frostrychud considers multiple angles is, as best I can tell from my spot, really first rate. Equating magic with the-word-I-shall-not-utter is brilliant. And there is much more to consider.

I'm often up real late reading these pieces. Is it part of the continuous work decoupling or simply the most fascinating adventure? Probably, a little of both.

 

[Breizh]

According to the Kabbalists, Hebrew is therefore "holographic" in that the words are not just random phonemes, but possess some inner isotropy with the deep structure of the world itself.

These images depict the direct connection between the golden spiral overlayed within a torus and it's basis for Hebrew, Sanskrit and other sacred alphabets.

...but with time I have come to believe that indeed there is an intimate relationship between letters, numbers, resonant frequencies, symbols, and material reality. Was the world conjured into existence using Hebrew, Greek, and Sanskrit?

It seems more reasonable to say that the sacred alphabets are based on the fundamental principle of reality and consciousness (ie, the golden spiral and torus dynamic).

 

[Frostychud]

Hi Starfire, thanks for your contribution.

I have read the second book you cite, the one about Freud and Kabbalah. I have not read "The Assault on Truth" from cover to cover, but of course I am familiar with l'affaire Masson, as are all psychoanalysts. Masson has an incredibly spooky biography, having grown up in a series of cults run by Jewish gurus and being himself a descendant of a famous Kabbalist rabbi. He's probably in the cult, or was at least born into it. The story of how he ended up being given the keys to the Freud archives is suspicious. He came out of nowhere and as a young man leapfrogged the entire psychoanalytic establishment. He was somehow given access to incredible material that no one had ever seen before. If both the Freud and Masson/Moussaieff families were old Sabbatean-Frankists, however, his quick ascension makes more sense. The question is, did Masson really "go rogue" or were his revelations somehow part of the script?

"Masson" is also a completely fake name invented by his father. Go ahead and read "Mason".

Let me state clearly that I think it is highly possible that the Freud family was indeed Sabbatean-Frankist and practiced incest as well as murder. Freud's relationship with his best friend Fliess was bizarre and perverse. His autobiography is sketchy and full of lies, starting with his birthdate. His early life is mostly a mystery. Freud himself admits that his half-brother, who was twenty years his elder, suggested to him in cryptic language that he was Freud's real father. Freud also admits that his father Jakob was a "pervert" who had his children fellate him. Fliess' son Robert revealed that his parents molested him. Freud's famous grandson Clemens was a pedophile as well. I strongly suspect that all these people were Sabbatean Frankists.

I recently discovered the following website and devoured it.

Dr. Freud's secret life

The author, Jerry Lazow, accuses Freud of being a literal serial killer. It sounds outrageous, and there is no hard proof, but he presents so much circumstantial evidence that Freud was, at the very least, an incredibly perverse individual, that I actually consider it possible. Freud famously analyzed his own daughter Anna, who went on to rule the psychoanalytic establishment with an iron fist after his death (she's the one who hand-picked Masson). Now, analyzing your own child is already an incredible breach of ethics. That is bad enough, but I think it's possible that their relationship was frankly incestuous. It is generally accepted in the psychoanalytic community that Freud probably had a long-standing affair with his wife's sister (who lived in a bedroom which could only be accessed by going through the main bedroom). Lazow argues that Freud actually murdered her fiancé to keep her in his ménage à trois. Even if no real proof is adduced that Freud was a literal murderer, the many weird and creepy passages from his letters to Fliess and Silberstein are enough to prove that he was a dark and disturbed individual. Keep in mind that these letters were already pre-censored by Anna before they were published, so what we see is what she allows us to see and no more.

I will say this much. I have read most of what Freud has written, and nothing on the website struck me as preposterous. He was a secretive, paranoid, suspicious, vengeful, and dangerous man.

In Jewish mystical tradition, if I am correct, a man cannot be initiated into Kabbalah until his fortieth birthday. Freud's father (who might actually have been his grandfather) died six months after Freud turned forty. Lazow thinks Freud murdered him with injections. Freud himself had his doctor euthanize him with an injection in 1939. He was a cocaine injector and several of the people around him also died of injections that he had overseen, perhaps intentionally. 1895, the year before Freud turned forty, is generally given as the year in which psychoanalysis was invented. The Interpretation of Dreams, in which the specifically Kabbalistic elements of psychoanalysis involving the magic power of words and letters were first presented, and which is the real "Old Testament" of psychoanalysis, did not appear until 1900. Clearly something indeed changed right around Freud's 40th birthday. @Starfire, I'd be curious to hear more of your conclusions.

Another hard-to-explain detail is how Freud, whose family origins were modest, was able to marry the daughter of the wealthy chief rabbi of Hamburg, someone who should have been way above his station. Also, the genealogist Neil Rosenstein has spent decades researching the Katzenellenbogen family of Central Europe, claiming that a huge number of illustrious Jews, including Freud, Marx, Mendelssohn, Proust, and the Schneersons are descended from this royal Jewish family, originally from Padua (next to Venice).

There is a paper you can read online called "Freud and Lurianic Kabbalah", written by the same rabbi who wrote "Freud and the Mystical Jewish tradition", in which Freud is supposedly introduced to the Lurianic Kabbalah by the Lubavitcher Rebbe Schneerson himself late in life. Upon reading it for the first time, Freud exclaims something like, "This is gold!" I no longer believe this story. Perhaps the Freuds were Sabbatean-Frankists without being familiar with the actual Kabbalistic underpinnings of the religion, but given Freud's great learning, that is hard to imagine.

I don't know how much overlap there is between the psychoanalytic community and the paranoid conspiracy theory community. On the one hand, psychoanalysts ought to be people who are open to such ideas, since they literally spend their days unraveling the fabricated histories of their patients. They certainly realize how omnipresent lies are. Any paranoid conspiracy theorist worth his salt has explored Sabbatean Frankism. The basic idea: certain Jewish families in Central Europe practiced a secret religion of transgression as a religious sacrament. This could go as far as incest, pedophilia, and even murder, all carried out in absolute secrecy, with secrecy itself also being a kind of sacrament. This religion spread to non-Jews as well, see the Marquis de Sade, for example. Most psychoanalysts see Freud as an ambitious, somewhat uptight, typical assimilated bourgeois Austrian Jew of the late 19th century. When I look at Freud's biography, and all the weird stuff in his letters, what I see is a Sabbatean Frankist whose theories about incest and murder suggest that he grew up in a culture in which these things were practiced. I cannot share this insight with any of my psychoanalytic colleagues as they would consider it antisemitic.

Lazow suggests that before inventing psychoanalysis, Freud was a sketchy gigolo and legal drug dealer posing as a doctor who "treated" the wives of the Jewish bourgeoisie of Vienna (whose husbands were out catching syphilis from prostitutes) by prescribing them cocaine and performing "pelvic massages" (=masturbating them to orgasm). This was a common treatment for "hysteria" in the late 19th century. Somehow this image makes infinitely more sense to me than the traditional image of Freud as a dutiful, hardworking doctor from a relatively modest Jewish family trying to pull himself up by his bootstraps. Remember that he was a daily cocaine user during this time. Supposedly he quit before inventing psychoanalysis, but I doubt that.

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[Frostychud]

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So of course the question arises: if Freud was such a person, doesn't that make psychoanalysis essentially a subset of Sabbatean Frankism? Doesn't it utterly invalidate his entire theory?

I don't think it does. I've invested a lot in psychoanalysis, so I may be an example of Voltaire's maxim that a man's ability to understand something is directly connected with his salary. Freud was obsessed with Faust. The story is simple: a man sells his soul for knowledge. There is an idea in psychoanalysis that knowledge and sex are connected. I don't want to be too categorical as there are lots of contradictory ideas in psychoanalysis. But there is this idea that the desire to know has its origins in the desire to "know" in the carnal sense. Therefore, limiting sexuality has the effect of limiting our desire to know. I think of "Jews" and "Gentiles" as archetypes that have less to do with religion or blood and more to do with an ethical stance determined by trade relations. Gentiles are the heirs of the land empires which formed after the expulsion of the original Jewish merchant class. I believe that Jews are "older" than Gentiles. Gentile society was "designed" to be stable first of all, not because it is good for people, but because it is good for the hereditary ruling family who want to stay in power. Knowledge, sex, and art are all disruptive in the sense that they tend to undermine stable social orders. They create imbalance, and imbalance is dangerous to hereditary land empires. Jewish society, on the other hand, is not based on sustainable institutions. On the contrary, its goal is constant transformation inasmuch as capitalism never rests. Art, sex, and knowledge are all vectors which inevitably undermine any given reified social order. I went to a regular high school in a small town in the US South. Almost everyone was Christian. Mean, stupid football coaches were the highest authorities in the school district. I figured out pretty quick that the goal of my education was not to spark in me an unquenchable thirst for knowledge for its own sake, but to format me to the community, which entailed (1) not being too smart or curious, (2) restricting my sexual desires to one partner whom I would marry and produce children with, and (3) only consuming or producing "art" that had a socially confirming function. The problem is that "Christian" art sucks, "Christian" sex is boring, and "Christian" knowledge is stultifying. The "Jewish" versions of all of these things are not boring, but they are dangerous, both for others and for oneself. They are two primordial dialectical forces, like male and female, and we must decide for ourselves when to be "Christians" and when to be "Jews". Here I follow Gilles Deleuze, the great French philosopher of singular desire woven from contradictory threads.

Sabbatean Frankism is a religion that pushes beyond limits. What I am saying here sounds horrible, but it would not surprise me that a person who refuses to recognize any socially-imposed limits to his libido sciendi might make some incredible discoveries. Knowledge is inherently Luciferian. Keep in mind as well that after Freud, other psychoanalysts, very few of whom practiced incest, pedophilia, or murder, adapted his theory to the "common man".

By way of an illustration, here is a story from my practice. I heard this recently from one of my patients, a married man with a five-year-old daughter. His daughter asked her mother (the patient's wife) where babies come from and what the difference between men and women is. The prudish mother gave the child a fake answer: "Children are born when two people love each other and get married", or something like that. So of course the girl went to her father and asked the same question. He told her the truth: men and women are born with different genitals. During sex the penis gets hard and sperm, which is like a seed, enters the uterus of the woman and creates a baby. His daughter was blown away. Her next question was, "So that means men can have more than one woman?" Note that the mother's version of the birds and the bees restricted reproduction to a married couple. "Yes," replied my patient. "So that means you and I can have a baby together?" she then asked. Here, of course, my patient explained to her that it would be impossible for both biological and ethical reasons. But this story shows a few things. It shows that Freud was not wrong about the first part of the Oedipus complex. (The part about wanting to murder the other parent is not present here and perhaps has more to do with Freud's pathology, but the dimension of rivalry is certainly there.) Note as well that the "Christian" answer shuts down the child's brain whereas the scientific answer immediately stimulates the child's ability to make connections, motivated by erotic desire.

Let me go even further here and share a bit more about this patient, without revealing anything that would allow him to be identified. He has been married to his wife for a long time and like many married couples they have not had sex for a few years, and not had good sex for many years. Their relationship is mostly peaceful and deeply frustrating for my patient, whose desire is completely blocked in this dead situation. In every single session he brings up the daily tiny castrations he endures to keep his situation from falling apart. He has a choice. Stay married and remain dead inside, or ditch his wife and disappoint his children, which might lead him to an even worse situation, but one in which his desiring faculties might be more engaged. Which is better? Only God knows that. I give no advice, I simply listen silently and let the words lead him wherever they will.

 

[SonofaBor]

I add this in distinction to Freud, who apparently produced and enjoyed the perversity he wished to explore:

Two features of David Lynch's films that I appreciate greatly: 1. While he shows the perversity of the powerful and the weak-- in their obsessions with fantasies-- he also portrays, with tenderness, seriousness, and a touch of melancholy, that there are charms and magic in ordinary life. 2. He also demonstrates that the pursuit of truth is a bewildering but consequential calling. The state of being generated is the greatest enjoyment.

Agent Dale Cooper (of the Federal Bureau of Investigation-- Lynch's own plaintive and utopian emphasis) travels to the spirit realm (is that not what is said to be-- though we know otherwise-- beyond our ordinary, implanted and formatted consciousnesses?) in search of clues to the murder of the lovely but viciously and perversely abused, Laura Palmer:

Frostychud wrote:

Here I think of David Lynch's masterpiece, Mulholland Drive, in which all of the preceding elements are present. There is a holographic intertextuality between multiple characters and narrative threads, articulated around mysterious symbols like the blue key which have a "density" proper to authentic unconscious symbols. A lot of writers and filmmakers attempt to pull this off, but the conscious mind is incapable of creating symbols which have a true center of gravity, and we intuitively reject them as false. In Lynch we always also the pervasive theme of repressed trauma, denied origins, and the flight into a beautiful fantasy world. One of the incredible "holographic" features of this film is that upon analysis it yields an infinite number of uncanny internal correspondences and nested metaphors that are too precise to be simply gratuitous constructions on the part of the interpreter, yet are far too complex for Lynch to have intended consciously. Another feature of this film is, in my opinion, its incredible cathartic power. Like Beckett, Lynch is not afraid to confront the fundamental experience of humanity which is humiliation. It is no coincidence that Lynch channels all of his stories and images from an unconscious state.

The unconscious state presents itself to us publicly as the old world "all around us." In the still above from Twin Peaks, Lynch caught something of the drama of two competing realms-- the Old Gods, posing and preening -- and the new Copernican one of repression and technical-bureaucratic precision. Agent Cooper and Laura Palmer, like us, travel between these worlds; for we dare to study stolen history to find the truth about who we are.

I reckon that the brain acts as receiver and focal point of organizing transmissions. The pure (one of compassion) heart-- the slow-going toroidal field at the center of our multidimensional information being-- should be something like equal to any powerful drive. Agent Cooper portrays this in his determination and compassion. I consider this to be "desire."

 

[Frostychud]

Continuing with some of the themes touched on by @SonofaBor in his last post...

I woke up today with the classic '70's song "Dancing in the Moonlight" in my ear. I don't know how it got there, but found it on YouTube and listened to it a few times. It's a great song, one that perfectly captures an ambiance of tranquil joy. The lyrics are simple but powerful.

We get it on most every night​

And when that ol' moon gets so big and bright​

It's a supernatural delight​

Everybody was dancing in the moonlight​

Everybody here is out of sight​

They don't bark and they don't bite​

They keep things loose, they keep things light​

Everybody was dancing in the moonlight​

Dancing in the moonlight​

Everybody's feeling warm and bright​

It's such a fine and natural sight​

Everybody's dancing in the moonlight​

We like our fun and we never fight​

You can't dance and stay uptight​

It's a supernatural delight​

Everybody was dancing in the moonlight​

Dancing in the moonlight​

Everybody's feeling warm and bright​

It's such a fine and natural sight​

Everybody's dancing in the moonlight​

Go ahead and listen to the song before reading further. It's only three minutes long:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5JqPxmYhlo&list=RDg5JqPxmYhlo&start_radio=1


The story of the song's composition is shocking. The songwriter, Sherman Kelly, and his girlfriend were stuck on St. Croix in the Caribbean with no money one night.

Kelly’s girlfriend said, “It’s a beautiful night. Why don’t we just stretch out on the beach?”​

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“So we did,” said Kelly. “And that’s all I remember very clearly.”​

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What happened after that was pieced together through bits of Kelly’s own memory and the recollections of other people. While sleeping on the beach, Kelly and his girlfriend were the victims of a vicious St. Croix street gang. Kelly was severely beaten by five gang members wielding baseball bats. His girlfriend was raped by the gang leader and the rest were in line. But Kelly’s girlfriend later reported that Kelly regained consciousness during the attack and fought back, making enough noise to scare off the attackers. ​

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With Kelly drifting in and out of consciousness, the two managed to follow the lights along the shore, eventually making their way to the only St. Croix hospital. ​

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“I woke up to the sound of my hospital roommate screaming in pain. Finally the screaming stopped and I heard two doctors talking about him. ‘That’s it, he’s gone,’ said one doctor about the other patient. ‘What about him, you think he’s gonna make it?’ And the other doctor said, ‘No, I doubt it.” I realized they were talking about me,” said Kelly. ​

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While I was recovering, I wrote "Dancin' in the Moonlight" in which I envisioned an alternate reality, the dream of a peaceful and joyous celebration of life. It was just me imagining a better world than the one I had just experienced in St. Croix,”​

This is how the unconscious functions. In the face of horrific trauma, the self is overwhelmed and reality is expelled from consciousness.

Later, as the mind attempts to heal, it replaces the unbearable trauma with the fantasy of an alternate reality that simultaneously inverts and preserves the original experience. Go back and reread the lyrics. Kelly is describing the rape and beating. Yes, it is "hidden" under the happy imagery, but the real event bleeds through with surprisingly little censorship.

My job as a psychoanalyst consists, among other things, in leading patients to see the repressed traumatic events that are not just hiding behind their impossible fantasies of beauty, love, and happiness, but are actually the material out of which those fantasies are created. The trauma comes first. Jacques Lacan does not hesitate to take this phenomenon to its logical conclusion and affirm that the Real is an impossible-to-represent trauma, and that the various delusional small-r realities we create for ourselves are never anything but reactions to this primordial trauma, which can never be adequately symbolized, and which for that reason inevitably returns in some form.

I propose we take the argument even further. One of the themes that is regularly discussed on this site is the Gnostic belief that material reality is a false creation. I am tempted to suggest that the world of appearances which we call material reality is a collective fantasy which hides some unspeakable cosmic trauma. This world is indeed false, and it was created because Spirit (or whatever word you choose to use) needed a place to flee to for long enough to digest whatever trauma caused it to dissociate in the first place. We do not remember what occurred before birth because it was too horrible. The knowledge of what occurs after death is foreclosed to us for the same reason. Perhaps when we die we are in the position of Sherman Kelly suddenly flashing back into consciousness and witnessing his girlfriend being raped as strangers break his skull with baseball bats.

The thing about the Real is that it is...real, whereas what we call "reality" is a secondary construction. The beautiful but false fantasy does not only exist to shield us from the Real, it also exists to give us a time and space within which to symbolize the traumatic Real that it conceals. In other words, it exists to disappear one day when the work of memory is done. At the moment it is conjured into existence "from nothing", it has an expiration date. Or maybe it would be better to compare it to some kind of a puzzle. When you become strong enough to relive the trauma without dissociating, the fantasy is no longer necessary and can vanish.

In Mulholland Drive, Lynch symbolizes this with the mysterious locked blue box that Betty finds. As she and Rita come closer to finding the key, "reality" begins to disintegrate around them.

This ontology has Kabbalistic overtones: the Divine Light that shatters the containers designed to receive it because it is too intense, resulting in a flawed, false creation that must be rectified, etc. Freud supposedly exclaimed "This is gold!" or something like that when the 5th Rebbe Schneerson (or was it the 6th) introduced him to Lurianic Kabbalah. That story comes from Schneerson himself, so it might be a complete fabrication, but it does make sense.

Language plays a crucial role in this ontology. It is what protects us from the Real. By mobilizing words and symbols, we overcome trauma. Presumably, writing Dancing in the Moonlight helped Kelly metabolize some of the trauma he experienced that night.

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[Frostychud]

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It's worth pointing out as well that the subject of the song is the moon. In esoteric tradition, the moon is the "funnel" which concentrates astral energies and focuses them on the Earth. In both the manifest and hidden versions of the song, we have people transformed into vessels for lunar energy. Continuing with the Kabbalistic interpretation, dancing occurs when the vessels are strong enough to contain and harness that energy, and violence occurs when the vessels shatter under the overwhelming influence of the moon.

The Lacanian philosopher Slavoj Zizek mentions somewhere that he refuses to dance because it involves shutting off the mind and allowing parasitic forces to control your body. I paraphrase. There is something refreshing about this perspective. We are constantly reminded how liberating dancing is, but Zizek is not wrong. In physics, we have the concept of "condensed matter", in which individual particles stop behaving independently and begin moving together as one under certain conditions. But I don't want to be part of some cosmic ballet. I want to control my own muscles and my own thoughts. When I think about situations in which humans are induced into a "condensed matter" state (sports events, political rallies, battles), I don't see an advance in consciousness, but rather a hypnotic regression.

We've discussed the work of David Lynch in this thread. In Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, Mulholland Drive, and Lost Highway, all masterpieces, we find the same theme: some traumatic event causes a soul to flee into a false reality which inevitably unravels as the trauma constitutive of that false reality seeps back in through the cracks. In Mulholland Drive, my favorite of the three, the foundational trauma is so deeply repressed that we, the viewers, can only attempt to reconstruct what it might have been. The last thing Betty/Diane sees before she commits suicide is her two parents "attacking" her like zombies, which I interpret as a very oblique reference to childhood sexual abuse.

Stanley Kubrick constructs Eyes Wide Shut the same way. Say what you will about Kubrick, who probably shot the fake moon landing and may also have "directed" the 9/11 theater after his fake death, but Eyes Wide Shut is genius. The movie is an onion. It's amazing how many different coherent interpretations it can support. In my opinion, the black hole at the center of the film is child rape and murder (the implied kidnapping of the couple's daughter in the very last scene). I think that the reason Nicole Kidman says to Tom Cruise that they need to "fuck" immediately after that is because they have just offered their firstborn to the cult and now they need to make another child for themselves, one that they will be allowed to keep.

If "reality" is produced by trauma, then the people who inflict trauma might conceivably be able to create reality according to their specifications. I know I'm way out in paranoid speculative territory here, but isn't that what we imagine these occult societies do? Stage trauma (sacrifice) on specific astrally charged days, in charged locations, with the goal of harnessing the reality-creating powers of the lower gods? As we have seen, these gods are "lower" because their reality is nothing but a temporary collective hallucination designed to contain and conceal the Real, which emanates from a sphere above theirs. Once they have birthed a new false reality via some collective trauma (take the example of 9/11), they then shape that inchoate new reality by inserting their initiated agents (hypnotists) into positions of power and influence (politicians, entertainers). This is why they always control both sides of any political or ideological issue: it is necessary to preserve the hypnotic false reality, which begins decaying the moment it is conjured into existence. As soon as the hypnotic induction has occurred, the Real begins undermining the false reality. And when this false reality can no longer be maintained, a new trauma must be inflicted on humanity to begin the process again. This locks memory behind a series of nested firewalls.

 

[SonofaBor]

In other words, it exists to disappear one day when the work of memory is done

This fits with the "exoskeleton" theory of the system put out by the robot.

But what is meant by memory?

What a weird word. Become accepting that this world is a flowing, wild river of trouble? And yet, accepting that fact doesn't stop the trouble? 20th century art is all about taking the broken, failed, stolen, fragmented-- even-- damned world and turning into it into art/beauty/kitch. It is also about damning the wild rivers-- which brought its own trouble for people and land. Strong people need wild land and water-- just like rich cultural life needs stone architecture.

"Dancing in the Moonlight" is really a good example. For me, songs like that served as a kind of anesthesia to the failed and messy teenage relationships; at the same time the radio sang: "They stabbed it with their steely knives/ But they just can't kill the beast." Getting tranquilized and being warned-- I suppose that is a David Lynch effect/affect, too. Meanwhile, the cool guys were getting their Led Zepplins on-- primal memory, with a warm little Middle-earth inside. Heart and home, bravery and expansion sung to a beat of sexual joy and trauma, " You need cooling, baby/ I'm not fooling." But the band was clever enough to know and honest enough to admit it is fake, too: "Someone told me there's a girl out there/ With love in her eyes/ And flowers in her hair" while the "The sea was red and the sky was grey/Wondered how tomorrow could ever follow today."

What am I saying? Our memory is garbled in media by artists doing the work of sewing things and the wreckage into patterns-- meaningful and beautiful, if only to us? I suppose.

If it is done from that heart, that soul, that Real-- it gets through. "Dancing withe Moonlight" is like Lynch's world, for sure. The soul in the song starts with the little electric piano intro-- it is like someone watching puppy movies after a surgery. Easy, hopeful, a little brittle. Then the fantasy song and utopian hope follow.

I confess I believe a little in all the utopias-- Lynch's America, Middle-earth and Dancing in the Moonlight. But each is only meaningful because the reality is worse than dreadful. Paradoxical and nauseating.

Meanwhile stone buildings and wild rivers truly remind us. So does live music. The real voice. Sexual life, dramatic and joyful abandon. Memory-in-reality.

When you become strong enough to relive the trauma without dissociating, the fantasy is no longer necessary and can vanish.

Individual trauma? Collective trauma? Or-- a never-ending trauma? The trauma of living while trying to truly colonize-- that is, inhabit-- a wild, multidimensional space called earth?

 

[SonofaBor]

When I think about situations in which humans are induced into a "condensed matter" state (sports events, political rallies, battles), I don't see an advance in consciousness, but rather a hypnotic regression.

Yes, a thin, very thin energetic field-- that is often quite powerful. The worst bands command: Everybody dance! The best bands preserve presence. To dance is a choice and an exploration. It can be quite spiritual and healing. The Sufies were on to something, but I'm sure that impulse was ground down into doxa.

Do you know Godgevlamste's theory of the oscillator and demon seed-- the latter is about sports on ley lines around London?

The last thing Betty/Diane sees before she commits suicide is her two parents "attacking" her like zombies, which I interpret as a very oblique reference to childhood sexual abuse.

I always saw this as simply the terrible and grotesque reality of ordinary dreams and ordinary people "supporting" those dreams. "Forgive them Father; for they know not what they do."

the black hole at the center of the film is child rape and murder

I also think the sexual economy, as a top-down control system, is disclosed.

If "reality" is produced by trauma, then the people who inflict trauma might conceivably be able to create reality according to their specifications. I know I'm way out in paranoid speculative territory here, but isn't that what we imagine these occult societies do? Stage trauma (sacrifice) on specific astrally charged days, in charged locations, with the goal of harnessing the reality-creating powers of the lower gods?

And those lower gods are us? I agree. I don't think you're "out there" at all. Traumatize and channel. New realities emerge. But nowadays, what is reality? Where is the soul? So lost in the fake worlds, people can no longer generate complex, inhabitable worlds-- like that of Bach. No wonder we've become profoundly "expendable."

 

[Starfire]

It took me awhile to answer this because my original reply got sacrificed to the gods of technology without my permission. Just gone...

@Frostychud I respect that you have been able to help many people with Psychoanalysis. Please understand that I am critical of the genesis of it, not it's current practitioners.

The things that Frosty shared about Freud above are worse than what I had already learned. I agree that he is a "secretive, paranoid, suspicious, vengeful, and dangerous man." I am even more certain that he purposely covered up child sexual abuse and incest to protect the Sabbatean Frankist or Kabbalistic parents doing the abuse.

It does seem that the age of 40 is when Jews were considered to have enough wisdom to learn about Kabbalah. Freud is said to be born in 1856. So he would have turned 40 years old in the year 1896. Let's look at some of the major changes that happened for him in 1896 - 1897.

1896 - Wife's sister moved into household, could only get to her bedroom by passing through his bedroom. Suspected to be a sexual relationship.
Frostychud told of a source that claims Freud killed the sister's fiancee to keep her in the relationship.

October 23, 1896 - Freud's father dies six months after Freud's 40th birthday. Freud is suspected of killing him with injections.

April 21, 1896 - Presents paper The Etiology of Hysteria, gets ignored by his colleagues, it relates his Seduction Theory which says that neuroses in adults were likely caused by sexual abuse and incest that happened to the patient as a child.
The rejection of the idea by his colleagues causes him to reject his own Seduction Theory. Or, he was initiated into the Kabbalah and sees the need to cover up childhood incest.

1897 - Freud is initiated into B'nai B'rith, the primary Jewish Freemasonic lodge.
It is said that the way a Freemason becomes 33rd Degree is by killing someone. Was Freud's qualifying murder his father or his sister's fiance?

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Hadn't thought about Freud being bloodline, or marrying into bloodline. It seems correct since Freud has been SO exaulted as the Father of Psychoanalysis. And his descendants, the Bernays family, basically invented modern propaganda and more recently founded Netflix.

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The book and movie that Eyes Wide Shut is based on is Traumnovelle. I recently saw the movie. It takes place among doctors in Vienna pre World War One. When Freud and the other Viennese doctors were developing psychoanalysis. Hmmm...

Here's the movie.


View: https://youtu.be/rySfR8AbDQo?si=ylPQspJId-jpla3s


Here's the original book in German.

traumnovelle : Arthur Schnitzler : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[alltheleaves]

under the title Rhapsody A Dream Novel, the book is in English at the usual places. there's a scan of a 1927 edition.