Wag the Dog - Ukraine Edition (or how to fake a war)

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Wag the dog -
the act of creating a diversion from a damaging issue usually through military force

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In this article, I will attempt to show how the "Ukraine war" is faked by both the pro-Ukrainian side and pro-separatist/Russian sides together.

Of course, with the limited time and resource I have, I will not be able to analyze every event; but it is not necessary to prove the faking of every event to make the point. Just one is more than enough - since if the war is real, then there should be no need to fake anything!

One thing I would like to highlight is that, the Russian government will often release some kind of "debunking" report or video following an event, which then easily gets decimated by the Western media. It seems to me, the true intentions of Kremlin is not to refute the claims, but is in fact helping to enforce it - by setting up a straw man argument for the opposition to destroy. At the same time, it prevents true research from reaching the public by clogging up the search engines. Therefore, once again, let me reiterate that BOTH the Ukrainian and Russian forces are implicated in the fakery of the Ukraine war.

A note of warning: there are photos and videos below depicting (allegedly) dead bodies, if you are not comfortable with such content, please turn back

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1. Maidan Square shooting
To start from the very beginning of the Ukraine/Russia conflict, we need to turn back the clock to 2014, and re-examine the Maidan Square protest and the subsequent shooting.
- Caption of the photo reads: "A protester gestures using the arms of a broken mannequin during clashes in Kiev. Sergei Grits/AP" - why would there be mannequin hands in the first place? And If we acknowledge there are mannequins, how do we know these mannequins are not used to fake corpses?
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/23/ukraine-oppositionsets24hourdeadline.htm
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- Take a close look at the soldier in the middle, does it look like he has a head? Or are we looking at the background behind where his head is supposed to be?

- The following video is said to be taken in the Maidan Square during the conflict
youtube.com/watch?v=d1YFoHCWNuk (removed from YouTube, please refer to screenshots below)

We have the case of missing heads again:
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It seems to me the heads or faces of the people are supposed to be keyed in by post-processing, notice the slight color difference between the head and the neck in this one
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- A medic, named Olesya Zhukovska, who got shot in the neck "miraculously" recovered. Quote:
"As soon as she(Zhukovska) was taken to an ambulance, she said, she grabbed her phone and with fingers covered with blood, she tapped out "I am dying," on her Vkontakte account, the local equivalent of Facebook."
Does this sound believable to you, or does it sound made-up?
"I am dying": Wounded medic's tweet from Kiev goes viral

Though not proven conclusively, I believe it is very likely that the Maidan Square shooting is a fake event, given the existence of mannequins and headless bodies

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2. the downing of MH-17
Following the 2014 coup d’état, in July 2014, it was reported that the Malysia Airline flight MH-17 was shot down by missiles, which further escalated the tensions between Ukraine and Russia. But what do we know about the MH-17 case?

- on Mar 8 2014, MH370, a Boeing 777-200ER, was said to have disappeared; MH17 also just so happens to also be a Boeing 777-200ER
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - Wikipedia

- on July 17 1996, TWA800 crashed, the reason for the crash was due to a missile accident. The cover-up forTWA800 event is well-documented,
see: American Pravda: The Destruction of TWA Flight 800 and

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF68-HQ74tI


Exactly 777 days after July 17 1996, i.e. September 2, 1998, SWISSAIR flight 111 crashed. In the Wikipedia article, the only victim that was given by name, was said to be the former head of the WHO AIDS program. And exactly 20 years later, i.e July 17 2014, the MH-17 crashed. In the MH-17 Wikipedia article, we are given by name the former president of the International AIDS Society. Coincidence?
TWA Flight 800 - Wikipedia
Swissair Flight 111 - Wikipedia
33 | The AIDS and Airplane Crash Connection | MH-17 Isn't the First

- It was acknowledged that MH17 was off-course: the flight was 300 miles north of the path it had used on previous days for the same route. Some reports claimed the flight was diverted to avoid thunderstorms; yet Malaysia Airlines said it had no reports from the pilot to suggest that this was the case. So, why would the flight be off-course?
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...e-to-avoid-storms-report/article20822918.ece1
Abbattimento di un 777-200 della Malaysia Airlines: ennesimo false flag?

- In the video depicting the crash sight, we are shown a fully naked "body" - how could this be? If the clothes are burned away then the body should be completely charred, and yet there are parts of the body that are completely undamaged. We are also shown passports belonging to the victims. The passports are not only undamaged but are in fact clean and whole. Again, how could this be?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuVpJ3FF2q0

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- Like above, the passenger items are shown to be in pristine condition

There can only one conclusion: MH17 did not exist, and no one shot her down.

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Now, let us come back to the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian war.

3. Fakes news acknowledged at the start of the war

- A wealth of fake news surfaced at the very begining of the war, which were video game footage, or videos of past events, or photoshopped images. This was acknowledged by the mass media such as BBC. What is important to note is that, the official Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, as well as mainstream media sources like "The Times" and "New York Post" etc. were all implicated.
Ukraine conflict: Many misleading images have been shared online
Ukraine conflict: Further false images shared online
‘Ghost of Kyiv’ revealed to be a hoax, joins list of false narratives by both sides
Ghost of Kyiv - Wikipedia

- One of the most popular fake news was that, Ukrainian soldiers in Snake Island has taken their last stand. The news has quickly reversed, and the soldiers were revaled to be alive. 'Snake Island' Story of Russian Warship Killing 'Defiant' Ukrainian Soldiers Was Fake News - American Faith
I believe the purpose of these early fake news, and the public acknowledgement of it, was to cause the public to give up on finding what is true and what is not in the Ukraine war. It also provides cover for fake news in the future, in case they were exposed, to be 'just another mistake'. Furthermore, the public might be more willing to believe future news to be 'real', as the media was seemingly willing to admit to their mistakes.

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4. Kyiv residential area attacks
One of the first publicized event of the Ukraine war was the Kyiv missile attacks.

- What one might have missed unless following the news closely was that, no one died in the most publicised missile strike, in fact it was not even claimed if anyone was hurt. Consider how probably it is that a residential stike killed no one - no one in the building, and no one on the streets by the debris - unless it was pre-planned and eveyone evacuated the area in advace.
No deaths from strike on residential building in Kyiv - Ukrainian government adviser

- In another residential missile strike that was publicised, an interview with one of the residents had the resident saying: "We are all expecting that, but it was in the middle of the night, so I wasn't sure if it will happen (translated)" (at 1:05-1:15). So they expected a missile strike? And he was only surprised because it happened in the middle of the night, and not of the missile strike itself? That is an extremely odd thing to say - unless he was foretold of the attack.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Dogb_pfac


While there is not enough information to analyze every single claim of residential attack, based on the two most publicized events above, I think it is natural to assume all similar reports are fabricated in one way or another.

5. Destruction in Kharkiv
On March 1, a video depicting a missile strike in front of the Oblast administrative building located in Freedom Square, central Kharkiv was widely shared. Subsquent reports and videos show massive destruction around Kharkiv

- In the only video showing the missile strike - which happens to be a recording played on a computer screen (why can't the original footage be found?) - right before the explosion went off, there was a split second showing some kind of overexposure that cut off right under the roof of the building. There is no physical explanation of this phenomenon, unless the video is a 3D render with the "roof" in a different layer of the model. Moreover, the video shows that after explosion, the cars drove right by the building as if nothing happened until a few seconds in.
twitter.com/verkhovna_rada/status/1498552376466329600​
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- In the following video that supposedly shows Kharkiv's destruction, there is a very noticable aliasing effect throughout the video, indicative of a 3D rendering. Tellingly, in one scene, a car shows the plate number 4444 BM - an unlikely number.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_MVPfoR8Z0


- In addition to the video above, there are multiple videos that show some kind of aliasing effect, as well as weird lighting or movements, such as the ones below. Of note, the 'drone footage', if examined carefully, is showing just a single location in a limited area at different angles; which happens the be the same area depicted in the previous video

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3lKIwk-_Xc


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y-zr4eDIaY


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KLPwlRO6c


While there may be some limited area that was destroyed for theatrics, it seems most videos are in fact showing 3D rendered simulations instead of real footage

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6. Mariupol Theater strike
It was claimed that on March 9 2022, Russian forces in Mariupol targeted a maternity hospital in an airstrike. The pregnant women from the hospital were allegedly moved to the Donetsk Regional Drama Theater for safety. Subsequently on March 16 2022, it was claimed that Russian forces bombed the Drama Theatre which collapsed, causing mass civilian casualties.

- In early reports on March 18, Mariupol City Council stated that according to initial information, no one had been killed. It was only afterwards, that 300 were claimed to have dead from "eyewitness statements". As anyone who studies media fakery should know, it is always the earlier reports that are more credible, as they have yet to be influenced by propaganda.
Mariupol theatre airstrike - Wikipedia
Ukraine Opens Humanitarian Corridor for Evacuation Saturday

- From the Associated Press article on the Theater bombing, one of the victims were quoted for saying: "All the people are still under the rubble, because the rubble is still there — no one dug them up". So, no bodies had been recovered and yet AP was able to claim 600 died.
AP evidence points to 600 dead in Mariupol theater airstrike

- Information concerning the destruction of the Theater seems to suggest that the explosion happened inside the building, as most of the damage was done to the lower levels instead of the higher levels. It would be reasonable then to assume the people inside the theater were evacuated prior to the detonation.
Fake: russian Armed Forces Bombed Drama Theater in Mariupol - waronfakes.com

- Russian outlets have correctly identified Marianna Podgourskaya, one of the victims of the hospital attack interviewed by Associated Press, to be an influencer, i.e. a paid actress. While Western media paints her as an innocent blogger, and claimed to have 'debunked' Russia's claim; it remains open whether she is a crisis actor or not. It is certainly suspicious that an influencer/actress was given the spotlight first by the Western media, and then again by the Russian media.
Ukraine blogger video fuels false info on Mariupol bombing

While verifiable information about the Theater event is sparse, it seems likely the attack was 'theater'.

6.1. Siege of Mariupol
- It is very difficult to ascertain the exact degree of destruction of the city, as many photos/videos are framed to highlight the damage - many are taken in the same locations such as the Theater, the shopping center and Azovstal. What can be said is that many apartment buildings are still standing, and the civilians are walking around freely by late April.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGOjXP98zUU


- It would be remiss not to mention the possibility of fakery, including photoshopped images and computer renderings. For example, I have trouble understanding how some apartment buildings could have completely blackened walls yet remain largely intact, such as in the video below. Also note the birds flying across the screen at 0:05-0:09 and 0:12-0:15; the birds remain the same size throughout their path, this could mean two things: either the every bird just happens to fly at 90 degrees to the camera, or the birds are CGI and was keyed into the scene.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0-6NilTH7Q


- In this footage of the PortCity shopping center, I find it quite odd that the two figures at the beginning of the video are completely motionless.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4B1ACvL6yA


- Reports of massive graves have been refuted by Russian media, where an orderly cemetery is found at the location
Western Claims of Russian Mass Graves Near Mariupol Another Fake News Hoax--I Know, I Went To See

In short, there is no trusted source to rely on, and the exact number of casualties in Mariupol is simply unknown - which could very well be none.

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7. Mykolaiv bombing
On March 29 2022, Russian forces allegedly carried out an airstrike on the Mykolaiv Regional State Administration's headquarters causing multiple deaths.

- In the following photo attributed to the State Emergency Service of Ukraine (Russia keeps pounding Ukraine, fueling skepticism over Putin's intentions as his war creates 4 million refugees), as astutely noted by RussBrown (https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=XX7S4BWDS3MM), the wires of the crane seems to disappear into thin air - could it be that the photo was photoshopped to remove the wrecking ball attached to the wire?
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- In one of the the reports of the event, it was reported at least 33 were killed and 34 injured. Notice the numerology: 33 and 33+34=67 (or 66.6 rounded up)
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...kolaiv-s-govt-building-rises-to-33/ar-AAVMYjp

It seems not much effort was put into this hoax, as the building is obviously tore down by construction machinery.

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8. Bucha massacre
Videos of the alledged killing of Ukrainian civilians by Russian Armed Forces in Bucha Ukraine emerged on Apr 1 2022. Russians has claimed the videos to be faked, but was subsequently debunked by Western media. But does this mean the Bucha event is real?

- A video dated April 1 2022 by Bucha's mayor Anatolii Fedoruk (https://www.facebook.com/bucharada.gov.ua/videos/270161321982745/) did not mention any killings. Another video by the Ukrainian National Police alledgedly dated Apr 2 2022 (the earliest version I can find is dated Apr 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNuMJNIS64) also did not depict any bodies on the streets of Bucha in their cleanup operation.

- Another video from a Bucha official dated at Apr 1 2022 https://www.facebook.com/bucharada.gov.ua/videos/341388734689277 said there were bodies on the streets that have been lying there 'for a long time'. This is in contrast to the photos/videos of 'bodies' that shows no signs of decomposition

- Comparing photos published/released by different news sources, it is clear that the "bodies" and objects have been moved around.

- A New York Times article (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html ) claimed "satellite photos" from MAXAR, a NASA contractor, shows bodies lying on the street since March 11 2022. It had been noted by sceptics that open access to the MAXAR photos were limited to files less than 50MB, while the resolution of photos used by NYT indicated they were likely over 100 MB. Moreover, based on the direction of the shadows, some claimed the real date of the photos is April 1 instead of mid-March. Indeed, as noted already, the claim of bodies lying around for weeks is incompatable with the degree of decomposition shown in the photos.
https://english.pravda.ru/world/151028-maxar_bucha/
https://waronfakes.com/bucha/?p=131

Judging from the multiple versions of body placement and the implausibility of the story, it seems highly likely that the bodies were staged and fake.

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9. Kramatorsk train station attack
On 8 April 2022, it was claimed that a Russian missile strike hit the railway station of the Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk causing thousands of civilian deaths

- In the following video from Reuters, at 1:06, while there are people hurt or dead on the ground, the bags and trolleys around are completely undamaged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6M4z5BwxTE

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- in an interview with the survivors of the attack, the 'victims' were smiling or grinning, which was completely at odds with 'the nightmare' they were describing. It was as if they were simply elated to be in the spotlight. One can also see the cars in the video look like scrap cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foiqjqP4GR4

Like many of the events analyzed already, this is most likely another fake event involving crisis actors.

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10. Sinking of Moskva
The flagship of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, Moskva, was alledgedly sinked by Ukrainian anti-ship missiles on April 14 2022.

- Before the currently accepted video depicting the sinking of Moskva surfaced, there were other footage of the sinking that got popularized on social media which was ultimately debunked to be fake
https://www.khou.com/article/news/v...skva/536-3bd27676-110f-4db7-b5b6-86f4b1a61f33

- the officially accepted photos and video https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Moskva (the last photo below) shows a different ship(the middle photo) than what has been known as Moskva(first photo): the sinking ship is missing the number 121 on the side, and it has a different bridge tower and hanger deck compartment compared to Moskva.

- While Kremlin refused to verify the footage, they had not disputed the claim that the footage shows Moskva - when it clearly is not
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/18/europe/ukraine-moskva-warship-sinking-images-intl/index.html

Despite what the Ukrainian and Russian forces claimed, there is no evidence that the Moskva sanked. The accepted footage is not one of Moskva.

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11. Attacks on Mariupol and Donetsk, and Russian propaganda
For the following section, I will focus on the events reported by the US-born Russian propagandist Patrick Lancaster. There are other propagandists reporting on the same events, but it should suffice examining just one of them.

- Lancaster had been exposed previously for showing fake corpses in one of his videos
https://glasnostgone.org/2022/02/22/in-ukraine-russia-uses-corpses-in-false-flag-attack/

- In the video alledgely showing the attack in Ilicha, Mariupol, there are many peculiarities:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUask2cfFh4
- 1:40, no blood around the person lying on street​
- 2:39, clearly a skeleton model with clothes, impossible to have face blown away but clothes still intact​
- 3:34, car with broken windows, but no glass on the floor or inside the car​
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- In the Video allegedly showing the bombing in center Donetsk, one can similarly find various oddities
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK (removed from YouTube, please refer to the screenshots below)
- 3:08, there is a circular mark on the temple of the man on the right and the man seemingly has no face, could this be a test dummy?​
- 4:45-5:00, supposedly injured man streches arm high up then scratches his head, then play with his fingers​
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It should be obvious that these attacks were faked with the blatant use of fake bodies and crisis actors

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12. Kremenchuk shopping center bombing
On 27 June 2022, it was reported that the Russian army bombed a shopping center in Krememchuk, while Russia claims it has bombed its intended target - a factory-converted military warehouse

- In a video published by Anton Gerashchenko, adviser to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, claiming to be filmed at the Kremenchuk shopping center, bottles of wine are seen to be standing on the shelves undamaged
video can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarRoom/comments/vm7w71/the_video_from_inside_the_burnedout_amstor/
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- in the video claiming to be CCTV footage of the park next to the mall, various oddities can be noted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC2l5HhWl1g
- at 0:04, the leaves fall off the tree but the tree does not move; the clarity of the debris seems to be much higher than the rest of the video​
- at 0:27, the man's foot disappears; at 0:29, the woman remains standing while the man collapse to the ground, also, the couple's size stays the same even though they are going down a slope. At 0:33. when the man jumps into the pond, instead of falling straight down, he remains above water for a split second before disappearing​
- at 0:46, the woman walking horizontally across the screen gives no reaction to the shock-wave until few seconds later​
- at 1:25, the wave on the water disappears halfway across the pond​


- the video of the fire itself is also quite unnatural:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...n_shelling,_2022-06-27_(1).webm.720p.vp9.webm
- at 0:07, the people further away are already blurry yet the symbols on the cars in the background are still clear​
- at 0:13, the man walking across the camera looks too bright compared to the rest of the scene​
- at 0:42-0:43 a slight aliasing effect can be noticed​
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It is obvious that all the footage is done by 3D rendering. There is no fire; there is no missile.

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I have examined around 12 events above, and pointed out how every one of them is fake or likely fabricated. I do not expect to convince you on every instance, but I hope you agree with at least some of them; as this shows a pattern of deceit: not only by the Ukrainian side, or Russian side, but indeed by both sides - the game is to blame each other for an event that did not even happen.

I would like to close with a quote:

"Why does a dog wag its tail?
- Because a dog is smarter than its tail"

Don't let the tail be smarter than the dog.
 
The events you depicted in your thread might all be faked because those support the narrative that both sides are putting out. During a conflict in the internet age, propaganda from both sides of the war is expected to be rampant. It's easy to do it, thus they all do it. But this doesn't mean that the conflict isn't real. You're generalizing false events into a false conflict. I'm sorry but I don't agree with you.

If the conflict isn't really happening, then, why western nations are sending millions of $ in military hardware to help Ukraine? Why is Russia rotating it's combat fighting brigades and corps in Ukraine from it's Army?
Is it because military strategists from both sides of the conflict are testing their strategies and armaments from both sides? I guess so. If I had the opportunity to evaluate if I'm being combat effective without having zero consequences for me, I won't hesitate to test my own best equipment, strategies and military hardware to see if it needs improvements in the case of a full scale conflict against a potential adversary.

It's normal military thinking this way.

I'm sorry, but what you've scraping here is the tip of the iceberg of what is really happening. You can't really say the conflict isn't real. You might want to rethink the way you generalize information into reaching a false conclusion.
 
Ukraine's president used to work as a comedian and an actor before he got voted into office, without even having had to run a campaign.

Ukraine's president is a millionaire Jew constantly asking Western powers for money and weapons.

Western people are naive enough to donate money to one of Europe's most corrupt countries (Ukraine).

Western liberals have a hard on for Ukraine, even though clearly fascist/extreme right-wing movements are calling the shots over there.

People think Russia is the bad guy, when it was Ukraine who decided to disregard Minsk agreements.

The whole thing sounds like the plot of a bad movie.
 
If I had the opportunity to evaluate if I'm being combat effective without having zero consequences for me, I won't hesitate to test my own best equipment, strategies and military hardware to see if it needs improvements in the case of a full scale conflict against a potential adversary.
If that were the case nuclear warheads, the ultimate weapon, would have to have been fired at an actual town or city every time a new version hits the market.


You can't really say the conflict isn't real
In the same way neither you nor I can say what is actually happening. Everything we see is filtered through digital media which in a very real sense doesn't exist.
 
If that were the case nuclear warheads, the ultimate weapon, would have to have been fired at an actual town or city every time a new version hits the market.
No one said anything about WMDs. Your comparison doesn't hold ground. I'm saying that the main interested actors in this isolated conflicts are weapon manufacturers from both side of the conflict. They are collecting raw data on how weapon systems perform, how much those are being effective etc They test Javelin anti-tank missiles, Russians test they T-80 and T-90 reactive armors. Radars and Lidars are being used to identify enemy units, jammers are used as counters to block the adversaries visibility of the battlefield. They're using drones, swarm drones, laser defenses against drones and mortar shells. etc I said the above sentence in this sense.

Ukraine is an open polygon for the Military Industrial Complex it's just business as usual for them. The raw combat footage is being suppressed for now, it's classified, once the war with end and peace agreements will take place. I'm sure you'll be shown on how tanks get taken down on You Tube. Soldiers on the ground are being strictly forbidden to post videos from engagements on social medias. The first week before the conflict started Ukrainian Military Intelligence noticed that an unusual large number of Russian men were hitting on Ukrainian women on Tinder. Their location was at the border with Russia and Belorussia. Stupid soldiers, smartphone generation doesn't even bother to think about Op Security. Do you think that fact is faked also?

Forget about the raw data of the conflict to be shown to the public as the war is unfolding. That data will be shared from weapons manufacturer to some briefings with potential buyer clients. We're talking about state clients. The Russians will sell in mainly in Asia and South America. The Americans will sell mainly to Finland, Sweden (which are about to join NATO), Taiwan, Eastern EU etc

That's a lot of money to be made. Billions of $. You think they're going let this conflict go to waste?

You just ask yourself, did you get to watch live what happened during the second golf war? It's your right to believe whatever you want to believe, I'm not going to change yours or anyone's else mind, that's a useless way of waste time.
 
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No one said anything about WMDs. Your comparison doesn't hold ground. I'm saying that the main interested actors in this isolated conflicts are weapon manufacturers from both side of the conflict. They are collecting raw data on how weapon systems perform, how much those are being effective etc They test Javelin anti-tank missiles, Russians test they T-80 and T-90 reactive armors. Radars and Lidars are being used to identify enemy units, jammers are used as counters to block the adversaries visibility of the battlefield. They're using drones, swarm drones, laser defenses against drones and mortar shells. etc I said the above sentence in this sense.

Ukraine is an open polygon for the Military Industrial Complex it's just business as usual for them. The raw combat footage is being suppressed for now, it's classified, once the war with end and peace agreements will take place. I'm sure you'll be shown on how tanks get taken down on You Tube. Soldiers on the ground are being strictly forbidden to post videos from engagements on social medias. The first week before the conflict started Ukrainian Military Intelligence noticed that an unusual large number of Russian men were hitting on Ukrainian women on Tinder. Their location was at the border with Russia and Belorussia. Stupid soldiers, smartphone generation doesn't even bother to think about Op Security. Do you think that fact is faked also?

Forget about the raw data of the conflict to be shown to the public as the war is unfolding. That data will be shared from weapons manufacturer to some briefings with potential buyer clients. We're talking about state clients. The Russians will sell in mainly in Asia and South America. The Americans will sell mainly to Finland, Sweden (which are about to join NATO), Taiwan, Eastern EU etc

That's a lot of money to be made. Billions of $. You think they're going let this conflict go to waste?

You just ask yourself, did you get to watch live what happened during the second golf war? It's your right to believe whatever you want to believe, I'm not going to change yours or anyone's else mind, that's a useless way of waste time.
Bloody hell that's a lot of belief you have going on there. You and I know sweet FA about what its all about. For what its worth I left belief behind a long time ago.
All we get is digital all of it from every possible angle so all is doubtful as all is easily manipulated. Unless you and me go there together and tour the place without anyone to guide us we are clueless.

The only bloke from here who appears to have done exactly that has a twitter and here it is for anyone interested.
https://mobile.twitter.com/lezluthor
That said its still digital media make no mistake.

All I do actually know about war from talking to two men who served in WW2 is this. Different time and event but relevant to the OP claim.

Friend one was on destroyers in Force H of the Royal Navy in the Mediterranean sea under two different captains. The first one seemed to know where German and Italian warships and planes were likely to be so they never encountered any but did pick up survivors from the sinking of British merchant vessels.

The second captain was the opposite. He spent all his time sailing into trouble from the Germans though the ship never received serious damage or casualties.

My second friend was an original member of the Long Range Desert Group, the precursor to the SAS. He was a driver and he told me he and the team he was in spent most of his time in North Africa underneath camouflage netting moving mostly at night trying to find German and Italian supply depots, vehicle parks, fuel dumps, ammunition dumps with a view to recording and relaying and whenever possible blowing the things up.

He said in all his time there other than a couple of officers towards the end of the occupation of North Africa the only Germans he saw were those flying the planes that were looking for the LRDG teams. With that said most of the planes were Italian not German.

The first time he saw a lot of Germans was when he was sent into Italy. Italy he said was awash with them and their equipment.

I trust the word of both of these men. I do not trust the word of talking heads in any form of media.
 
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Bloody hell that's a lot of belief you have going on there. You and I know sweet FA about what its all about. For what its worth I left belief behind a long time ago.
But I do have to believe even things that I haven't seen personally otherwise we can't be sure of anything. I've never been to Australia, I've seen it only on the news, on documentaries, on YouTube and I've seen pictures of it. I've only met a handful of Aussies in my life. Would you expect me to say that Australia doesn't exist because I've never been there? No. That would be stupid.

Asking for real evidence worked for Flat Earth the Moon missions and the continent of Antarctica because are very specific cases with a high importance. Thus, more evidence is required.

Remember the little Syrian girl which were injured in a bombing site by Assad's gov. forces? That girl was used as propaganda in a lot of other photo ops. That was staged. But that fact alone doesn't mean that the war in Syria is fake. More than half the cities were reduced to ruble. Would you say that drone images from Syria are fake also?

There are 3-4 Ukrainian couples who came as refugees where I live because of the war. I did ask them the same way you are doubting the events of the war. They came before in Albania as tourists so they decided to take refuge here because they know the town already. They're living on some rent apartments close to me and I do see them at the coffe shop once every 4-5 days. They showed me photos of destroyed building from the East of Ukraine. If I see them again I'll post their photos here as evidence.
 
But I do have to believe even things that I haven't seen personally otherwise we can't be sure of anything. I've never been to Australia, I've seen it only on the news, on documentaries, on YouTube and I've seen pictures of it. I've only met a handful of Aussies in my life. Would you expect me to say that Australia doesn't exist because I've never been there? No. That would be stupid.

Asking for real evidence worked for Flat Earth the Moon missions and the continent of Antarctica because are very specific cases with a high importance. Thus, more evidence is required.

Remember the little Syrian girl which were injured in a bombing site by Assad's gov. forces? That girl was used as propaganda in a lot of other photo ops. That was staged. But that fact alone doesn't mean that the war in Syria is fake. More than half the cities were reduced to ruble. Would you say that drone images from Syria are fake also?

There are 3-4 Ukrainian couples who came as refugees where I live because of the war. I did ask them the same way you are doubting the events of the war. They came before in Albania as tourists so they decided to take refuge here because they know the town already. They're living on some rent apartments close to me and I do see them at the coffe shop once every 4-5 days. They showed me photos of destroyed building from the East of Ukraine. If I see them again I'll post their photos here as evidence.
You are now making leaps from weapons manufacturers testing their gear in a live war situation to photographs of a destroyed building being evidence of said live war.
Maybe just me but the latter does not back up the former.

My wife's cousin was in Kosovo as part of a peace keeping force that was basically impotent, according to him, during the Kosovo crisis as its called over here. They were under orders not to interfere with either side so best they could do was show what their weapons could do to deter violence.
His unit of AS90 self propelled guns set up a scrap car as a target on the opposite side of the valley to their location and let the populace know what was going on. One round from an AS90 over five miles away took out the car. Completely destroyed it.
That calmed that locality down but he moved on to see kids and teenagers being rounded up and taken off, gang disputes where guns and knives were used where he could not interfere, tribal he called it scores being settled.
He is struggling with post traumatic stress to this day compounded by his best friend in the unit being killed by a stray bullet right next to him during his tour of duty out there.

So yes there is violence. Yes there is death. There is destruction but assessment of events and their veracity is pure speculation as indeed is the motivation and intention of those behind it.
Best guess is what is actually done not what is said to have been done and we can only get a handle on that by being there.
I understood.
It turned out, I put it on a page translated from English to Russian in my tablet, I answer in English, but you see Russian :)
Aha. It happens to the best of us.

Edit to add this.
Digital media once again but in terrms of the OP claims it bear posting as evidence we have no way, no method, no process capable of figuring out what the motivations are beyond observing that if this twitter post is genuine and the message within it is then clearly this government employee is not in the least bit bothered by war.


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1547482455694839808
 
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War is fake, the only real thing is refugees. Check another fake war Russia in Syria 2015, which also caused flow of refugees.
 
War is fake, the only real thing is refugees. Check another fake war Russia in Syria 2015, which also caused flow of refugees.
For the Syria insurgency/war, there’s a thread on Cluesforum under the title “The ’lnsurgency’ in Syria, 2011- 2013” that examined some of the propaganda
 
As was correctly put by @BusyBaci , you're confusing the faking of events with the faking of the war. You specifically opened the thread with "I will attempt to show how the 'Ukraine war' is faked".

As @BusyBaci also noted, you're not going to receive raw footage from the mainstream media, which seems to be the only source you're feeding the "true research" from. Did you even bother to google in Russian/Ukrainian "Maidan dead bodies "? Did you care to look for russian or ukrainian telegram groups that post graphic footage? You would close it before you puke your guts out.

The issue here isn't you alone being detached. Unfortunately I saw many suffering from the same sympotms of being overly exposed to fakery in our world. There are many things that can be proven fake, because fake footage of them exists. It's a core part of research, especially in this community. But at some point, you tend to forget where the line goes, because:
1. You know the media plays tricks on you, so you automatically deny the reality of anything it shoves at you, or anything that people overly care about.
The emotional defense mechanism works at full power to make sure nothing corrupts you.
2. You're unable to verify anything, because you're not where the event happens, or don't know people who are there. Therefore your state of mind is "when I see it I'll believe it", but you never actually go to see it, and so everything easily gets in the fakery catalogue. The burden of proof is on the world, while you sit in comfort looking at images from Reuters. If you already know it's the media is corrupt, why do you rely on them to satisfy your questions? Easier to just say "I don't know".

I don't claim to know you, but I experienced these symptoms myself and I see them on others. When a person has so many lies unveiled, trust goes very low.

Every event in the world that serves an agenda, has fakery in it in a way.
I do agree that some of the events you spoke of could be potentially fake, but you did not prove it. You use terms such as Oh, this one might be a render, here he disappears for a second, but it's all assumptions and I personally fail to see them in the timestamps you provided. Maybe if you produced a frame analysis video it'd be easier to tell.
Right now, there's no smoking gun in any of your points except the obvious Russian mockup body and the headless ones in Maidan. They however don't prove the events didn't happen, or the war itself. Maidan event itself has a huge amount of footage, of shootings as well.
The media needs most of all aesthetics and delivery. They need a concentrated event with proper documentation which they can leverage. You can't go and catch random war explosions and deliver it to the outlets. The public wants to be spoonfed.
The public, from its place of comfort, doesn't understand the chaotic, random nature of war, and certainly cannot process gore and real death. Even you, a true and great researcher, did not go to look for gore, because you'd find it. You prefer the vanilla spoonfed by the media.

I happened to live for a certain period in Ukraine. I know it well, and I have many relatives there. I also know of people who died, some already too old to fight. Soldiers die there in masses, they started to draft unfit people to fill up the ranks.
You think missiles are fake? I personally know several families who lost a home to rockets. You're surprised that those people in the article were "expecting the missile"? Yes, they were stuck in a shelter for weeks. I left Ukraine during the war. The ground was literally shaking every 10 minutes and you hear the tanks shooting as you drive. The road is full of destroyed vehicles, like in an apocalyptic movie. Blasted buildings. But don't believe me, I'm just a guy on the internet. Go and look for yourself.
Analyzing mainstream media photos is genuinely normal, and helps to construct the truth, however it's not sufficient evidence to declare a war being fake. Especially when you're yourself not certain of the points you presented.
 
I've looked at gore and looked at faked gore. No way to tell the difference on the visuals.
To illustrate how easy it is to fake bangs and destruction.

Not a half mile as the crow flies from me is an old brick built metal roofed industrial building. Inside it stock car builders set a pile of oily rags on fire with a grinder.
The fire very quickly got out of control and because the expansion of hot air was so rapid with nowhere for it to go it blew the roof clean off and all the boxed in windows out. Crucially I heard nothing.
First I knew of it was a large plume of smoke going up.

About twenty miles, again as the crow flies, from me is a firing range used to test fire big naval guns. Most in my lifetime were 4.5 inch guns. I heard them on no more than five occasions. It was also used to test fire shipborne missile systems and only once did I hear one of them hit a target. And on all occasions it was a distant muffled bang that was heard.

Seven miles in another direction is a working limestone quarry which blasts the stone out with black powder or dynamite and I have never heard that.

I guess it comes down to a very personal experience to get a handle on what war is. And even if you are the person experiencing it doesn't follow that because you see horror and gore it is widespread.
The aftermath of road traffic accidents is very often horrific and gory but it is extremely localised.
 
The events you depicted in your thread might all be faked because those support the narrative that both sides are putting out. During a conflict in the internet age, propaganda from both sides of the war is expected to be rampant. It's easy to do it, thus they all do it. But this doesn't mean that the conflict isn't real. You're generalizing false events into a false conflict. I'm sorry but I don't agree with you....
As was correctly put by @BusyBaci , you're confusing the faking of events with the faking of the war. You specifically opened the thread with "I will attempt to show how the 'Ukraine war' is faked".

As @BusyBaci also noted, you're not going to receive raw footage from the mainstream media, which seems to be the only source you're feeding the "true research" from. Did you even bother to google in Russian/Ukrainian "Maidan dead bodies "? Did you care to look for russian or ukrainian telegram groups that post graphic footage? You would close it before you puke your guts out....


I think you've confused destruction with war. The dictionary definition of war is:
- a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (Merriam-Webster)
- armed fighting between two or more countries or groups (Cambridge)
- a situation in which two or more countries or groups of people fight against each other over a period of time (Oxford)

'War' is defined by conflict between country-states, it is not defined by whether there are casualities or destruction.

What I have set out to prove in the essay is that there is no real conflict between Ukraine and Russia. The events I have covered are not just some random event that happens to be fake, they are the major/defining events of the 'war' that are touted by the two countries. And as I have documented, many of these events are fake or at least highly likely to be fabricated. If Ukraine and Russia are really in conflict with each other, it is inconceivable that they will not expose the fraud of each other - and they are certainly aware of the fakery, as even a bystander such as myself is able to notice it. Instead what they have set out to do is to blame the other side for the very dubious casualties, that is to say - to perpetrate the hoax.

I have never claimed in the article that there were no deaths or destruction, indeed I do believe there are actual destruction going on. However, correlation is not causation. There are many reasons for destruction and death other than armed conflict. For example:
- destruction of buildings for theatrics
- incidents by militants/soldiers who are unaware of the true agenda
- accidents
- death due to old age, illness, cold, hunger, panic, depression, lack of social support etc.

For comparison, COV-SARS-2 has been claimed to be the cause of massive deaths since 2020; but the real cause of death is usually preexisting illnesses, harmful medicial policies or 'vaccine' adverse effects. To establish causation, one must look at the general picture. In war, the only general picture we get is from the news, and it turns out to be fake.

Moreover, even if one tries to research whether there are any true deaths, such as say, the Maidan Square event (and yes, I did research it), we run quickly into the problems:
1. there are not that many photos of dead bodies
2. we have no way to determine whether the bodies are CGI, mannequins, crisis actors; or real
Given the presence of staged photos and videos, I am more inclined to dismiss them; since as I have stated in the article: there is no reason to fake it if it is real
 
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