SH Archive Was Stonehenge rebuilt, or constructed in 1954?

[Timeshifter]

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I am just catching up with Octobers Ancient Aliens interesting episode on Stonehenge.

They are talking about Geoffrey of Monmouth suggesting that Stonehenge perhaps originating in Ireland, being built by the mythical Tuatha Dé Danann (Descendants of the Anunaki) at Mount Killaraus It is suggested that these 'Gods' built Stonehenge and then Disappeared.

Stonehenge was then brought to England by Merlin (Using some kind of powers) at the Behest of Ambrosius and used as a memorial to his victory.

I know, AA, but interesting none the less.

 

[_harris]

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Stonehenge was then brought to England by Merlin (Using some kind of powers) at the Behest of Ambrosius and used as a memorial to his victory.

I think that story could be a misinterpretation of the transportation of the circle of smaller blue stones from Wales!
the River Avon flows through Amesbury, and meets the Severn estuary at Bristol (avonmouth), with only a few miles across the Estuary to the river mouths of South east wales, it would not have been a difficult journey by boat, the rivers are easily navigable, and they would work with the huge tidal range to be pushed/pulled up/down river around the estuary. (I have seen sea water flowing 8 miles upstream from avonmouth!)

 

[Timeshifter]

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Just come across this exhibition Your stonehenge

Visitors have been invited to send in their own images, 150 have been selected...

Some of interest may off some evidence. I wonder how many were 'disappeared'









All showbiz, eh!

Link to exhibition Here

 

[HollyHoly]

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the second one is pretty telling caption reads [" Some of the photographs show a personal side to archaeological work at the site. Here, a young Richard Woodman-Bailey studies plans on his father’s wheelbarrow-desk during work to re-erect fallen stones. [Image: Historic England / Richard Woodman-Bailey"]

like come with me my son and Ill show you how we fake archaeology.! Britain seems mighty interested in sticking this thing in our faces and wanting everyone to mysticiz and adore it. Ironic when you consider what they are willing to destroy
Also he is looking at plans, gimme a break

 

[Dzharo]

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You need to read a fair few sites to get a handle on the removals. The damaged but repairables were lifted out onto transporters and taken to a work area off to 'the side' of stonehenge, the bluestones were dug out, lifted out and taken to a nearby storage site to allow the cranes access to lift the sarsens uprights and lintels.
Yes they found more antlers in the box cuts and some in holes the 'experts' cannot explain what if anything the holes held.
Antrobus was the only private owner who made money from them by putting up a fence and charging visitors. This apparently was used to pay for the guides and the resetting of a leaning upright stone or two.

Should we have some pictures?
Yes why not. All taken from the Historic England online archives. Their description in black my comments, for what they are worth in red.

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What are we really looking at here?
Those three stones all allegedly once connected look equally weathered on all the visible faces. Of it fell in 1740 and broke then surely the newly exosed, in 1740, faces should show much less weathering than the 'first cut' faces dating back to 2900 BC.

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View from the interior of the monument looking north-west. The broken upright stone 59 (in three pieces) of a trilithon fell before 1740. Its surviving companion upright (stone 60) is behind and part of the shattered lintel to the far right.

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How does one date a carving and when were question marks actually written like this?

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Detail of a carving on the fallen lintel, stone 156, of the central or great trilithon. The carving, which is in the form of a question mark with the initial LV within the loop, was according to Atkinson cut by an itinerant workman c.1829.

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How did the original carvers/masons get such a mass of stone removed to leave this tenon behind. Antler picks?
Unique to Stonehnge eh, I'll bet they are.

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Detail of the top of stone 56 showing a flattened surface and tenon that once supported a lintel. Tenons and mortices are commonly but uniquely seen on the stones at Stonehenge. Some of the Aubrey Holes appear as white discs beyond the stone.

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Where is the wear on hese things?
And the state of preservation being in the ground for so long, amazing truly amazing.

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View showing excavated fragments of red deer antler picks. Picks like these were used to dig the ditches which form the earliest components of Stonehenge, around 2950BC. At this time, available metal tools were not robust enough for such a task.

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How did they shae the end of this stone that went into the ground without snapping it?

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Bluestone 69 of the the Bluestone Horseshoe being temporarily removed during work to re-erect Trilithon stones 57 and 58

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This sis stunning machine work. We are looking att the bit that goes in the ground how did anyone prior to the advent of machine tools achieve such a sharpness and why bother when the blustone up the page is as rough as arseholes by comparison.
Even allowing for the 'smooting effect' of the plasterr shroud if that is what it is, why its covered thus isn'tt explained.
Even the tennon work up the page is rubbish compared to this. What are they 'putting back', original or replacement?

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Lifting fallen trilithon stone 58. In order to protect nearby fallen bluestone 42, railway sleepers were placed over it during the lifting process.

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Not sure what is going on here in this 1901 photograph.

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Stonehenge seen during Professor Gowland's excavation and restoration in 1901. Many of the Sarsen stones had become unstable; one huge upright stone is being supported by a wooden frame in this photograph.

I think it is a mason's mark. A representation of the little tool in the picture? The cut in the shape of a question mark is so precise it looks like it has been done with a machine. Curves are difficult to carve in stone. Masons' marks were usually straight, easier to make with a chisel so very much doubt the story of an itinerant workman. What if the LV are not initials but are Roman numerals for 55?

 

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Stonehenge Will Livestream The Summer Solstice Celebration For The First Time Ever

 

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Posted a new video to my channel on the ideas of did the original stones return to Stonehenge and how has that affected the energy at the site

Stonehenge Rebuilt?

 

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I'm not really sure of the purpose of this thread..... Stonehenge was messed with for sure in the 50s....and it is unique compared to other stone circles in having the trilithon arrangement of stones

but if you are familiar with the area it is clear something was going on in the area in prehistoric times (whether that is 1000 years ago or 4000 years ago is debatable though)
the whole landscape is covered in burial mounds and other features

Not far away is Avebury which is supposedly older and a crazy landscape with two relatively unmolested stone circles which have had a village built among the stones...again countless other standing stones, burial mounds and the wonder that is silbury hill

apart from that there are hundreds of megalithic sites all over these islands that certainly predate Christianity here (and many have been ruined since then for their pagan connotations)

these things aren't under 25ft of mud....but if you've visited many of them as I have they are clearly very old, so numerous and many so obscure and unmolested that I can't see them all being fakes...I can only surmise Britain somehow mostly missed whatever dumped all that earth in Russia Rome etc

I guess what I'm trying to say is focusing on the rebuilding of Stonehenge seems like a red herring when there was clearly some kind of prehistoric megalithic culture here....the question for me is when that was and what happened to it

I agree with you here, I've been to the site a few times and have always been struck how simple / unimpressive the site is. If a covert operation was in place to 'almost re-construct' half a new site, then the PTB would surely have made the reconstruction so much more impressive.

I think the timing of the reconstructions from 1900 to 1954 is important. Around the time, archeologists around the world were waking up to the treasures some of them had at their doorsteps. I believe Flinders Petries was involved in some of the early consultancy work. Part of this work involved trying to understand what the site was for, and putting some of the stones back together was viewed as a fairly non-intrusive piece of work

A few points that need to be considered.
1. The site is on an important Ley line, and is near Old Sarum ( a very important and old settlement) and the Avebury stones
2. The site has several mounds in and around the main site
3. If you have watched enough documentaries on this site over the years, the reconstructions are often mentioned, they havent hid them.
4. The future Roman Emporer Vespasian stayed/ and had a camp only a couple of miles from the site, why? He possibly would have been fascinated by the site's history, and possibly would have known about the site's summer solstice calculations and Ley Line positioning.


From an Engineering persective, if you were asked to rebuild some of the horizontal headstones, and stand up some of the fallen standing stones, you would need to consider quite a few issues; namely
A) The soil conditions at the site, and how to avoid future re-erection
B) The drainage at the site, and how to avoid future erosion.
C) Some of the stones would need resetting of the bases and surrounding soil structure.
D) The preference would be to use metal supports where needed, the cutting of new slots into these stones would be a big NO NO
E) Where some stones have eroded that were considered for re-erection, concrete would have been used to fill in the bottoms/ tops

Point E, Some of this work is very unimpressive, and has defintely not been hidden.
Points A & B, there may have been some site clearance to sort this out, did they really clear the whole site? Do we have definite proof of that?

This site has a lot of interesting piccies and info. some of the photos on this thread appear to be shown in construction sequence
The images of Stonehenge they don't want you to see | Ancient Code

I will watch KD's Japanese video completely and evaluate some of the stone differences

The timeline all seems pretty sequential to me,
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Note: I have been to the Philae Temple in Egypt, which was dismantled and moved brick by brick to save it from flooding, did I feel cheated? Not really, I was just glad they saved it.


Stone Henge was abandoned for centuries, it was reconstructed by lifting a few fallen stones, and putting some top stones back in position. If they did clear the whole site to do it, I would like to see more proof, but if they did to save if from further storm damage and soil erosion - I can understand their reasoning.

 

[Juzzer]

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Have you guys seen the new discovery only a few miles from Stonehenge, do you think the two could be connected and we have one big complex?

This could change our understanding of England’s early days, I’m of the belief Phoenicia settled in those days and established the city of London.. I can’t wait until they unearth some Gobekli Tepe style statues

 

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It appears that Stonehenge existed and was restored back in mid-1600s, according to The most notable antiquity of Great Britain, vulgarly called Stone-Heng, on Salisbury plain. Restored by Inigo Jones esquire, architect generall to the late king, 1655

 

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Have you guys seen the new discovery only a few miles from Stonehenge, do you think the two could be connected and we have one big complex?

maybe when the sons of heracles [and natural catastrophe] chased the sons of poseidon away from their homeland they built a copy of their ritual landscape back home. no doubt it was a population control thing. the biggest henge from their homeland was pretty darn big so a pretty darn big henge should be found along with the huge dorset cursus etc etc. its a human thing making copies. the originals are perfectly intact amazingly.

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[Jd755]

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[PuzzleBear]

It appears that Stonehenge existed and was restored back in mid-1600s, according to The most notable antiquity of Great Britain, vulgarly called Stone-Heng, on Salisbury plain. Restored by Inigo Jones esquire, architect generall to the late king, 1655

This is a very interesting link. The book was allegedly printed in 1655, which is 3 years after Inigo Jones died.
An architect ... "was the first person to introduce the classical architecture of Rome and the Italian Renaissance to Britain"


But the illustrations of Stonehenge in the book do not match reality. Those were rather the plans of construction.
Restoration? Who would restore a real ancient megalitic monument ? Wouldn't you rather keep it in its original state?

The first textpage ... shows THEY are mocking us

moulded off and cast into a rude form .. ofc ! that's the building technique !

There might have been another ealier version of Stonehenge at another location, but the one we see today was assembled in 1954 or around that time. Maybe THEY needed to change location ? Old fotos do not necessarily proove anything, many are forgeries too.

The favourers of Antiquity brought their fantasy into the minds of people through books like this one, no one could proove the veracity of the illustrations.

Early illustrations of "Antiquity" were never accurate until around 1830. Either plans of constructions or fantasy. Construction of "Antiquity" very likely started only in the early 1830s when it was possible to produce iron rods, but that was still arduous and costly. Only after 1850 with the Bessemer technology a mass production of iron rods was possible.

 

[mifletzet]

Stonehenge opening of "The Night of the Demon" 1957


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[trnlfrdm88]

I always keep this picture on-hand. He knows this place is fake and girded with Iron. Its right in front of him.

 

[Artemisian]

could be Crimea? but check this out what the heck is going on ?Second Henge bigger than the first Henge this article is from 2015 but how about this quote from the article??

It appears that they were purposely turned over by Stone Age builders as part of the many reworkings of the Stonehenge site, which sprawls some 4sq miles (6.5km) of Salisbury Plain in England. The toppling of the stones may also have been a result of changed religious beliefs in solar cult worship. Experts think the new stones were part of an arena used for rituals and meant to impress Neolithic visitors.

so I guess that's just what you do on Salisbury plain! You rearrange rocks willy nilly, all the time, for all eternity and for no reason or because you decided to worship the Sun instead of rocks or because the vampires are constantly tweeking their resurrection tech

Similarly, the Easter Island stone effigies were, according to narrative, deliberately buried. Anything to distract from the mud!

 

[Bitbybit]

I think it looks odd, but the reinforcment of concrete seems to have happened.

https://www.themodernantiquarian.com/img_fullsize/66744.jpg

 

[Artemisian]

Interesting that on the earlier maps our Stonehenge area is called Stonage.

1605 Example

We also have John Speed, whose maps I start to distrust a bit. Not necessarily the guy's maps but the authenticity of the surviving copies. His map is the only one I could find calling the place Stonehenge. The rest mostly mention Stonage, or do not mention the place at all.

• Amesbury appears to have moved south, and whatever happened to Ambersbury, I do not know.

The above map is hard to date. John Speed died in 1629. Some sources date the map with 1626, and some with 1676. The original was allegedly first published in 1612, but who knows for sure?

We have a few interesting things mentioned on the above John Speed Map. Ambrosius King was mentioned in one of the previous JD's posts.

• The below info makes Stonehenge much younger - 1,544 y.o. in 2019. Not like I believe that 475 was in 475, but the map gives us some info to take into the equation.

Was Ambrosius Aurelianus ever buried in Stonehenge? Did TPTB exhume the remains of this Giant guy?

Ambrosius Aurelianus, was a 5th century Roman leader in Britain who figures prominently in the early Arthurian legends. According to the Celtic Christian writer Gildas, Ambrosius was a war leader of the Romano-British, possibly descended from Roman royalty, who won an important battle against the Saxons.

• Ambrosius Aurelianus: The Last Roman

Question: Ambrosius Aurelianus = King Arthur's Uncle = Merlin?

• Ambrosius Aurelianus appeared independently in the legends of the Britons, beginning with the 9th-century Historia Brittonum. Eventually he was transformed into the uncle of King Arthur, the brother of Arthur's father Uther Pendragon, as a ruler who precedes and predeceases them both. He also appears as a young prophet who meets the tyrant Vortigern; in this guise he was later transformed into the wizard Merlin.
• Due to Gildas' description of him, Ambrosius is one of the figures called the Last of the Romans.

And here we have the Romans pertaining to the same time frame. The appearance is from a certain, improperly (imho) dated Vergilius Romanus Manuscript. It is allegedly the oldest surviving British codex. Dated with the 5th century, but just like with everything else was discovered in the 15th.

Stonehenge is from Ireland?

Aurelius Ambrosius – recently annointed King of Britain and the brother of Uther Pendragon – seeks Merlin's advice for a lasting memorial to the British princes treacherously slain by the Saxons during a truce.

• Merlin says: “If you are desirous to honour the burying-place of these man with an everlasting monument, send for the Giant’s Dance, which is in Killaraus, a mountain in Ireland. For there is a structure of stones there, which none of this age could raise without a profound knowledge of the mechanical arts. They are stones of a vast magnitude and wonderful quality; and if they can be placed here, as they are there, round this spot of ground, they will stand for ever.”

When Aurelius laughs at the idea of going such a long way when there are ample stones in Britain, Merlin continues:

• “I entreat your majesty to forbear vain laughter; for what I say is without vanity. They are mystical stones, and of a medicinal virtue. The giants of old brought them from the farthest coasts of Africa, and placed them in Ireland, while they inhabited that country. Their design in this was to make baths in them, when they should be taken with any illness. For their method was to wash the stones, and put their sick into the water, which infallibly cured them. With the like success they cured wounds also, adding only the application of some herbs. There is no a stone there which has not some healing virtue.”

And so off to Ireland goes Uther along with Merlin and 15,000 men to fetch the Giant’s Dance.

1826 Source

The image was previously posted by JD. A 14th Century manuscript version of the Brut accompanies the tale with an illustration of Merlin carrying out the work of re-erecting the monument, employing a giant to help him (a detail that Wace added that wasn’t in Geoffrey’s original text).

???: Where in Ireland was this Mount Killaraus?

• Kilrush - Wikipedia
• Irish: Cill Rois, meaning "Church of the Woods"

Could it be this one? Does not look like a mountain on this map but there are some hills on this one here.

1865 Source

Obviously, none of this explains why in 1954 the Stonehenge field has no signs of the stones ever being there. It's just that the investigation continues.

I share your suspicion of John Speed as a character. I am more inclined to consider "Iohn Speed", or even "I ohn Speed" to be the method of calculation used in creating the maps. The inscription on the map, bottom right, is

"Performed by Iohn Speed And are to be sold in Popes head alley against the exchange by Iohn Sudbury and G. Humble cum privilegio." Would you say that you perform a map? Map creation involves applying calculations, performing calculations, according to the projection principles involved. Usually these days, this means projecting points on the Earth as an approximate sphere onto a 2-D plane, with respect to their relationship to the Greenwich Meridian and the Equator. However, other models are available...

The scales used on the Iohn Speed maps are either myles or pases. The borders make no reference to the longitudinal/latidunal grid. The Iohn Speed map of the Isle of Man is interesting.

This is a portolan chart, with rhumb lines emanating from the compass rose, neatly placed at Tynwald, the oldest continuous parliament in the known world. This is the structure at Tynwald:

In the left panel of the map, it says "Described by Tho Durham Ano I595". While in the right-hand panel, it says "Performed by Iohn Speed Anno I610". I would suggest that the cartographer is Thomas Durham, and the base map was drawn up in I595, with the calculations being (re-)performed in I610, according to the Iohn Speed method. I doubt very much that John Speed the prolific cartographer ever existed.

 

[mifletzet]

"What happened to Stonehenge?" clip

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[Dustinarnold1223]

IMO Stonehenge was used just as Giza as a place to draw our attention down a never-ending rabbit hole. Once the parasites moved and " restored" it it became nothing more than a Pyle of rocks