SH Archive What kind of hat is Dutch Bill wearing?

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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-09-25 08:07:57
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Getting back to the point of the op.
I did a startpage search for a picture/painting of this character with his ginger hair on view. Painting being the most likely to my mind.
The engine found one and a host of other pictures of interest.
Seems he played dress up a lot once he 'became famous'. Incredibly there are pictures and dates galore of his 'life'. Big mate of Custer apparently, a dodgy historical character if ever there was one. The record of 'events' in Bill's life is incredibly accurately recorded for most then very vague in others.
Anyway here's the pictures sans links.

With his 'mom n pop' apparently. Very fishy that this characters parents are in photo's that have 'come through history' as did his very accurate birth detail, although maybe they or someone else was cashing in after Bill 'got shot'. Maybe that's just my cynicism. Note the hat.

Another of a young Bill in a different hat. When did camera's and photography arrive in the United States?

Posh Bill now. Even bigger hat and mustache!

Four in dress up. EDIT to add jut realised the first two are in the same studio with the assumed 'dead mans' stand behind Bill. My money is on the stand being the equivalent of the 'blue cross tape' mark on the ground modern photographers/cameramen use to get people to stand in the right place.


I wonder what is under that coat.

Wonder why Bill has his gun upside down?

Assuming Bill of many guises in the above pictures is the same man, cannot see the ears clearly enough in all to be sure, who the hell is this in yet another hat?
From here Wild Bill Hickok Archives - Larry Auerbach

Just to round it out on the same page as the above image is this one said to be of his bestest mate Charlie Utter and his brother Steve. the standing chap, Steve, looks to have 'Indian' features, the kneeling one, Charley, doesn't. Brothers?

Steve and Charley Utter (l to r) at the grave of Wild Bill Hickok

 

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Username: Apollyon
Date: 2019-09-25 19:03:34
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do these hands tell us something? is it possible they are stiff and contracting from rigor mortis?

 

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Date: 2019-09-25 20:24:51
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Wandering tad from the hat theme if I my.
From here; Lorenzo Butler Hickok (1832-1913) - Find A Grave...
His brother Lorenzo

In fact pictures of his entire crew inc parents and brothers/sisters. Just how prevalent was photography during the mid 1800's?

Startpage search string Lorenzo Hickok brought up some interesting pictures.

His dad William Alonzo

Remarkably similar.

A different set of clobber in this one.


Is the head o the image above superimposed on someone else's body?
Reason for asking as this clearer shot of a photo from earlier shows a slim Bill in 1872, the year he got shot!

Could be Americans could be Frenchmen.

From here; Wild Bill Hickok e la Colt Navy modello 1851
The three amigo's

Horace Dewey Hickok, one of the brothers with his wife Martha, Lorenzo Butler Hickok and Oliver Hickok, the eldest of the brothers
Could be me but Horace and Lorenzo look eerily similar and Oliver looks just like his dad but with less beard.

And if this bloke on the left is the same one in any of the 'wild bill' photographs above I am definitely losing my marbles.

A still young (20 years) and almost unrecognizable Wild Bill Hickok in 1859, Celinda Hickok, sister of Wild Bill, and Lydia Hickok, the other sister of Hickok

But what I find incredible is there are photographs of practically all of the characters in Bill's life and death. It's as though it was all pre ordained.

 

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Date: 2019-09-25 20:51:12
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For all we know this could be the real General Lee, Grant, or whoever. For the world he is Wild Bill H.

 

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Date: 2019-09-26 07:39:38
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Where is Appalachia?

The Appalachians: The Scotch-Irish / Scots-Irish

a region as mysterious as is remote .... Germany England and Wales (Wallachia)

 

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Date: 2019-09-26 09:18:14
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The “Flamboyant Fraternity”: left to right, Elisha P. Green, James Butler Hickok, William F. Cody, John B. “Texas Jack” Omohundro, and Eugene Overton, 1872. R.H. Furman photograph. P.6.0908

A new York photographer took this? Furman, R.H. (Photographer, Rochester, New York)
This wild west must be a staged narrative.

Could be Americans could be Frenchmen.

Could be the Louisiana territories had a remnant civilization that needed to be erased.

 

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Found this cut and paste looking photo of Wild Bill, Texas Jack, and Buffalo Bill supposedly taken in 1873-74 from a "Wild West Show" called Scouts of the Plains/Prairies (saw both names labeling this). These were apparently "Vaudeville type shows" produced by a man named Ned Buntline. Why would they have stage shows of real dangerous criminals? (Am I missing something here, because none of that makes any sense to me). It's like an admission that the Wild West was completely fake.

Also, how odd does WB's left hand look? How long are those fingers?

 

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Found this cut and paste looking photo of Wild Bill, Texas Jack, and Buffalo Bill supposedly taken in 1873-74 from a "Wild West Show" called Scouts of the Plains/Prairies (saw both names labeling this). These were apparently "Vaudeville type shows" produced by a man named Ned Buntline. Why would they have stage shows of real dangerous criminals? (Am I missing something here, because none of that makes any sense to me). It's like an admission that the Wild West was completely fake.

Also, how odd does WB's left hand look? How long are those fingers?

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They weren’t criminals. Quite the opposite actually, they were lawmen. Wild Bill by all accounts was a gentleman.

 

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Date: 2019-09-28 09:00:40
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Wikipedia is admitting here he was an actor

Hickok was drawn to this ruffian lifestyle and headed west at age 18 as a fugitive from justice, working as a stagecoach driver and later as a lawman in the frontier territories of Kansas and Nebraska. He fought and spied for the Union Army during the American Civil War and gained publicity after the war as a scout, marksman, actor, and professional gambler.

Doesn't sound like a gentleman, but who knows if actually true or some background fiction.

History of Greene County, Missouri