SH Archive When does it start to curve?

[Bunnyman]

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Username: Bunnyman
Date: 2020-03-01 12:34:40
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No need for words:

 

[Archive]

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-03-01 15:35:49
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Good video. The sphere radius/horizon problem will not go away. We were all taught this in school and it’s one thing everyone can say, what? and get a glimmer of understanding that something is wrong in Denmark (hey! Where did that saying come from?)

However as to them someday arguing for flat earth, I don’t think so. I thought by now scientists would be saying Evolution was only a THEORY now we know we were wrong. Nope, and they’ve doubled down. One reason is the motivations behind the theories, which boil down to anti-God and therefor become illogical. None of it is actually science.

 

[Archive]

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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-03-15 16:33:29
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So now looks like they are admitting that special lenses are creating the curve that we see from their own imagery.

Also this gem, the flat is my correction on their behalf.

"And as you can see out of the window the Earth is" ... still flat.

 

[Citezenship]

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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2020-05-14 20:34:43
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[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-06-15 02:15:04
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Or maybe we have two suns and they move in a ping-pong fashion?

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5 Suns Appear in the Sky Over Ivory Coast, Africa the Same Day Protests, Riots and Looting Have Started in Minneapolis
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[Archive]

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Username: Earthquakes
Date: 2020-06-15 02:48:28
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Strange Sounds - Amazing phenomena around the world

5 Suns Appear in the Sky Over Ivory Coast, Africa the Same Day Protests, Riots and Looting Have Started in Minneapolis
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In the video of the 5 suns. It looks like a track in the sky. Like the other 4 points of light aren’t supposed to be illuminated. Technology

 

[space966]

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Date: 2020-06-15 17:04:26
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I think, that curve will be never detected. Because horizon have rainbow effect, closer you move, it gets further.
By common sense Earth have this form, you're always on flat, but for some reason Earth have these 2 southern & northern hemispheres.

 

[Archive]

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Username: NovaFeedback
Date: 2020-06-15 20:25:37
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I think, that curve will be never detected.

Of course. There isn't.

Because horizon have rainbow effect, closer you move, it gets further.
By common sense Earth have this form,

That's called indoctrination.

you're always on flat,

true that.

but for some reason Earth have these 2 southern & northern hemispheres.
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TOTAL nonsense.

 

[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-06-15 20:46:03
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Of all the things to become a new religion, I never in my wildest imagination thought it would be Earth Shape.

Spouting beliefs which can't be proven but must be taken on faith, berating other "faiths" that believe differently, heavily proselytizing via the airwaves, all point to a religious mindset of zealot fervor.

Could those of us open to all opinions (and faiths) hear more of the evidentiary findings and less mudslinging so that we might make a more informed decision? Thank you.

 

[Archive]

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Username: ripvanwillie
Date: 2020-06-15 21:00:06
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I think, that curve will be never detected. Because horizon have rainbow effect, closer you move, it gets further.
By common sense Earth have this form, you're always on flat, but for some reason Earth have these 2 southern & northern hemispheres.
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I respectfully disagree. I think the curve can be detected and seen. But it can't by looking along the horizon line. It can be seen and measured by looking forward toward the horizon. This is very similar to your rainbow example, especially if you've ever seen a rainbow from above.

When we see the horizon line in the distance, it's not a straight line. Its an arc, a semicircle. If you turn your body around, the horizon becomes a full circle. It is NEVER a line like on a t-square or straight edge, rather it's part of a circle. This is why you'll never see the curve by looking along the horizon line. When you see the horizon you are looking at a curve and most people don't realize this fact. Please try to envision this. This is where much of the confusion arises from, in my opinion.
Now, when we look toward the horizon, we can see all sorts of valleys, but the view becomes obscured when the land rises, such as a mountain or hill. The key is to find a long, level road that stretches to the horizon. Using a photograph, the dip or rise should be easily measured. Of course, great care must be taken to use a lens without barrel or pin cushion distortion. And we'd also need to have to know the distance of the camera to the ground. And the camera must also be set to level. Under these circumstances, a visual difference may be detected a swell as a rough measurement. This could be done. Using proper surveying tools, far more accurate measurements could be made.
This is similar to what Cyrus Teed did in his rectilineator experiments. He basically tried to measure the curvature using right angles of t-squares to make a long straight line to measure against. Teed claimed success. Mainstream science says he was full of poo. But no one has ever tried to replicate the experiment, or more important, improve upon them. So, it's out there for the taking.

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2020-06-15 21:21:17
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In the video of the 5 suns. It looks like a track in the sky. Like the other 4 points of light aren’t supposed to be illuminated. Technology

The article said it was sundogs but my understanding of sundogs is that the phenomenon required freezing atmospheric temperatures. Not sure how freezing it gets on the ivory coast but it sounded like codswallop to me. Don't have a better answer for what it might be though.

 

[fabiorem]

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Date: 2020-06-15 21:29:33
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Strange Sounds - Amazing phenomena around the world

5 Suns Appear in the Sky Over Ivory Coast, Africa the Same Day Protests, Riots and Looting Have Started in Minneapolis
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The picture is fake, as the sun on the left was copied on the right.
The videos are real, but they are not suns. Its looks like some ring of light in the atmosphere, probably a HAARP experiment.

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2020-06-15 21:33:59
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First picture is fake, as the sun on the left was copied on the right.
The videos are real, but they are not suns. Its looks like some ring of light in the atmosphere, probably a HAARP experiment.

You basically described sundogs. I just don't think sundogs are possible in that climate.
Also, I'm not very techy at all so I don't understand how the picture can be fake but the video is real. The picture is on the video.

 

[fabiorem]

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Date: 2020-06-15 21:41:30
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You basically described sundogs. I just don't think sundogs are possible in that climate.
Also, I'm not very techy at all so I don't understand how the picture can be fake but the video is real. The picture is on the video.

I saw both videos and they only show the rings.
The picture have the same sun in both left and right. The aura and the rays are the same.
A ionospheric heater can simulate a aurora effect. But this is generally done in cold climates. They are probably experimenting it in tropical climates. For what purpose, we dont know.

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2020-06-15 21:43:38
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Ok, I get what you're saying now. I'm a little slow sometimes.

 

[space966]

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Date: 2020-06-15 22:59:36
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@ripvanwillie No, I read 2 or 3 articles & 1 book on optics, they word "light" use like crazy and confuse themselves. All experiments with light are pure speculation. Rainbow have ark form because sky hemisphere has ark form. In concave earth light problem is resolved in favor of going upwards, in standard astronomy - in going downwards. For the lack of proves, I would say, that earth is evolving matrix. In some cases we "know", that now will appear some continent, discoverers believe, that there will appear some continent.

 

[pushamaku]

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Date: 2020-06-16 05:23:26
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Mainstream science says he was full of poo. But no one has ever tried to replicate the experiment, or more important, improve upon them. So, it's out there for the taking.

They're too busy with searching for gravitational waves originating from black holes in galaxies far far away. It's obvious to me who is full of poo poo here...

 

[Knowncitizen]

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Date: 2020-06-16 21:35:50
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I saw a sundog, on June 7th in northern Ontario, 18 Deg C that day. I could only see it when I had my shades on. There was copious amounts of chemtrails that day. I never saw or heard of sundogs until the last 5 years.

 

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Username: ScottFreeman
Date: 2020-07-06 19:57:46
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Map you speak of:
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I find it hilarious how heated both sides of this argument gets over this. We are being lied to and neither NASA's or FE models work 100%. I do however find way more bullshit in NASA's version once I could entertain something outside of what I was brainwashed in school with. People are constantly quoting what they learn in university or school as evidence. The education system has been controlled by secret societies for thousands of years. Today they control all forms of media and education.

I read through this entire thread to see if anyone had posted that specific version and to attempt to make the exact point that you did.

 

[The Illuminator]

hey @jd755, your post is curiously different, I would like to ask you about some points you have made and perhaps make some counter points I think worthy of consideration. not to argue but to see where it leads.

all words are, right? if not then what words are not 'planted'?

how is water, fire? water is certainly an element. one of four according to the ancients (allegedly), five if we are to count plasma as one also.

which 't', which letter 't' in what word? maybe we can figure out the 'why'?

among the living waters, living memory, medium capable of transmitting sounds(word/verb/vibe) faster than air. water is certainly a key component for advanced connections.

the mad hatter. lol tell us about it!

p.s.
from: From Transylvania to Tunbridge Wells - Chapter 12

interesting to see your selection of 'bits'..i'll do me best.

the word earth obfuscates the reality of the water plane so is 'planted' into memory as soon as language gets im(in)planted of course they are just sounds to a baby (but who can remember?) but not for long.

everything takes place in water. strike a match a flame appears in the water vapour. don't do the 'elementals thing' any more due to an inherent yet for most of my life (not any more) latent aversion to 'being told'..the ego seems to creates limitations and defends them the divine has none divine sounds better than ego.

this one literally appeared 'out of the ether' one day whilst wandering around the manor "a plane is hidden by the simple addition of a t" it resonated is the only way i can describe the feeling i felt and still feel. certainly explains the existence of spell (in) books and the constant re (religious education) defining of me(ME)aning

cannot add anything to the last one save this bit , this is a water plane everything is bi(E)rthed,lives,dies, rises and falls, assembles and disassembles, waves and troughs, flows and ebbs within water, air is quite literally an illusion. hah possibly another 'planted' word just as earth is.

I cannot argue any more (got the t shirt) as its crystal the ego makes its own reality and yet go find an ego to 'deal with'.

yes i am glad this asylum found me.

The world / karma / hidden hand has certainly revealed itself over the last couple years. Not just in worldly sense either, very personal too. Take your last sentence.

I have been a massive CT since 911 77. Being a loud advocate too. I have been delving deep deep for last 15years into alt reality(stayiing away from FE from all its negative connotation). So I find it weird, coincidental, down right strange that I had never come across this site before. Only when the words mud flood were whispered to me (from another msm site I'm now banned on) during lockdown did I stumble across such an amazing site and truly remarkable set of posters. I have been humbled these last 2.3 years catching up on all the threads. Just wish SH version 1 was not mothballed like so many sites over the Internet. It was a concerted effort by tptb, that's for sure. Deleting so many thought provoking discussions and threads. So many hours of research, blood sweat and tears.

But alas I digress...... All of us free thinkers have been corralled in one shape or form over last couple of years. The ultimate purpose I'm not 100% sure. There are a few differing opinions. To keep an eye on us.....to make sure some of the non sheep are herded.......to make sure some of the non sheep better themselves to show the sheep that if they work hard they might be like non sheep......

Whatever the reason. Life certainly isn't going back to normal for me.

I too find the idea of a dome earth interesting, and all the concepts of past cultures, etc., even though I'm not sure they have survived completely. A flat earth of some sorts is certainly an interesting idea, and definitely more credible than NASA's version.

I just think it would be nice if there was actual proof being produced by the flat-earth community, since they all seem to be 100% sure of their claims.

I think most flat-earthers are probably well-meaning, and I understand that no one can expected to be a scientist.

Also the basic realization that we are living in a small sphere, and there is a dome above us is probably correct, so they are on to something profound.

Here's a good article from creatonist.com about the logical flaws of flat earth ideology:

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There are many different ways to think through these things, but here is one very powerful method. This Venn diagram illustrates two competing theories, represented by the blue and red circles.

Contrary to the way most people think, competing theories are often not mutually-exclusive. In fact, they often predict many of the same things (represented by the area of overlap, zone II, in purple). For example, both creation and evolution can handle ‘change over time’ and ‘natural selection’, so neither of these can be used as “proof” of evolution. Both of these ideas sit comfortably in zone II. Thus, evolution cannot be defined simply as “change over time”. In fact, that is about the lamest possible definition. Any definition of evolution must also include a belief in common ancestry, which is definitely not in the area of overlap!

Most people spend their time arguing about things that fit in the area of overlap. Very often, this results in a sort of tug-of-war over basic facts and the conversation just goes in circles. If you really want to get to the heart of something, you have to get to the outer regions, zones I and III. These are the make-it-or-break-it questions. This is the place where you can really answer something.

For example, if the earth was flat and spinning about the North Pole, one can easily explain why the stars rotate counter-clockwise around the north star. But this is also explained with a spherical earth, so this is a “zone II” argument. However, and this is the kicker, flat-earth theory cannot explain why stars rotate clockwise about the southern pole for stargazers in the southern hemisphere. This is simply not possible unless the earth is indeed a rotating sphere. In fact, there is no “zone 1” for the flat-earther. That is, there is no observational or physical evidence in that theory that is not readily explained by the earth being a sphere. Worse, there is much they cannot explain. Worse yet, some of their ‘evidences’ are demonstrably untrue. Beware! How to think - creation.com

This quote on creationist.com is a great summary of flat-earth thinking:

The weight of evidence is so strongly against you that you actually have no theory. All you can claim is "conspiracy" and "people are lying" and things like that. And you claim I do not understand science! Please, pop your head out of "the rabbit hole of deception" and take a look around.

So if the following assumptions are both true:

(1) flight paths are correct
(2) we live inside something

...what would that something possibly be?

Asking that question would probably be a first step towards answers. The answer migh be obvious, or it may sound like a rhetorical question, but since almost no one is asking that question, there haven't been many models of where we are.

I'd love to expand on the following and/or reintroduce the thought later, but i'll start here, i suppose.

As an observer/follower of "flat earth" research, I've noticed that the naming of the thing itself presents a strawman that even those that do the research get caught up in it. Yes, flat-earthers are seeking to solve for a flat earth. Yes, they are using the scientific method and "the earth is flat" is their hypothesis. To say they are not doing so accordingly (being empirical) is a subjective generalization from one's own observation, but does not qualify as a matter of fact. Have you had in-depth and personal conversations with those at the top of FE research?

However, the problem is in the categorizing, just as the problem for most of us here arise when someone calls us "conspiracy theorists". It pigeon-holes us into a stereotype that groups us all as a "they". Many here know by now the traps that neophyte conspiracy theorists fall into and wouldn't dare be identified with "that" crowd, and yet many don't give FE research the same credit. We lump them all as a "they" and generalize their beliefs and actions. But I digress.

The point that I am trying to make is that most people that study the FE hypothesis mistakenly let themselves be called FE'rs. What many actually are are non-heliocentric, ex-heliocentric, anti-heliocentric, helio-agnostic, etc. There is no attractive name for it, and it doesn't help rally those who share their passion for researching this.

If someone identifies as or is identified as flat-earthers, then it begs the question for them to "prove it" - which is the work in progress, from which they without a doubt don't have all of the answers yet. And yes, they acknowledge and are trying to reconcile many of seemingly difficult problems (southern trails, southern flights). And they're doing it earnestly and attempting it scientifically.

But, they *do* have many proofs that show that the heliocentric model cannot stand. Galileo's heliocentric model was immediately "proven" wrong by his direct inheritors when they chose to "expand", "correct", "update", and "improve upon" it. It has been nothing but cart-before-the-horse "corrections" that they've instead deemed as "discoveries", ever since. The heliocentric theory was merely that, for allegedly hundreds of years. Until the 1950's when NASA allegedly started offering what is to be accepted as empirical and optical proofs.

Nevertheless, if you tell your friends and families that you are a non-helio (an identification that doesn't have any meaning to the layman, therefore must explain that you "don't believe in the heliocentric model"), rarely would their initial response be to prove it. Instead, the impulse is to ask "so what do you believe it is then?" which then produces the pigeon-holing FE trap. Please try this for yourself and see what response you get and share it with us, if you'd like.

When discussion revolves around proving or disproving FE, I've witnessed non-stop fallacies committed by the best of both sides. By the "I don't believe in FE"rs, the absence of evidence fallacy and appeal to ignorance is prevalent especially, even in this thread.

The thing is, many here are skeptical about the nature of the heliocentric model, or at least skeptical about what we've been taught about space (and landing on the moon). And, for those that believe in the heliocentric model still, you'd be surprised how well-researched and knowledgable that doubters (and FE'rs) are about the heliocentric model. Do you know the distances to the sun and moon and relative sizes, the speed of earth's rotation, diameter and circumference of earth? These are simple measurements that many of the same people who call FErs anti-scientific nutjobs can't answer. Can you give an example of a 4- or 5-body problem and state an inference of that? Can you simply define dark matter to a lay-person in a way that they can understand it and infer a problem with it? I've seen so many throw spears at FE research and yet do not know the science that they claim to back.

I must stop here as I must be off for the day. Please AMA publically or privately about my experience with FE research, I'll get back to you as I have time and would love to.

Great Post. One that I might have envisioned me writing. Only I'm not as eloquent.