SH Archive When does it start to curve?

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Username: Deleted_x7
Date: 2019-01-01 23:43:24
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yeah, its difficult to comprehend. but I think it safe to say that this is for the most part, actually why we are here on this forum, because of the struggle between inner and outer authority or 'trusting'

[In GOD We Trust] and where we place our trust, IS our god in some ways whether we can see or admit that to ourselves or not.

trust structures are operations of law and do not always require consent to be a party to a Trust. (constructive Trust, Implied Trust, etc.)

I will write more about it (authorize) later, elsewhere on here. its deep and I think I can help other re connect in some way so they dont need to trust others about their own 'history'. of course, some are not ready and others will fight it but thats enough for here.
 
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Username: ripvanwillie
Date: 2019-01-02 01:16:28
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Thank you, TH Dialectic. I see your point. No issues here. I am misunderstood more than understood, in part due to a lack of writing skills. Sometimes I tend to go off on people who I feel didn't show me common respect. This is what happens after 20+ years of ridicule and closed minded skepticism being slung one's way.
My apologies to you.
 
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Username: Npcghost
Date: 2019-01-05 17:19:43
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With what you just pointed out about our sophisticated technology, why can't they station a camera on the moon to give us a hdtv view of the earth 24/7.? Why these composite pictures, made up of satellite imagery? Like the blue marble shot? That been said, why arent they building a moon station...it's been 50yrs since we last set foot there. Put the conspiracies to bed. It would be simple, yet they dont do it.
 
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Username: Deleted_x7
Date: 2019-01-06 22:51:32
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while watching this vid, I just realized why I may have confused you regarding the 'climbing':


this might not actually be what confused you either but I just wanted to clarify it a bit. the reason I was climbing is because while deep in the forest, you can not see the big rocks for all the trees so I would climb up the tallest ones in order to see over all the other trees so that I could find the big rocks in the distance. then I could navigate from the direction/position they were in, in relation to my position in the forest.

hope that was helpful, this guy in the vid is really sharp IMO, I was looking for more mandela info, not any flat earth info but in this vid he goes into the flat earth to explain why so many think it is so and like I mention, the fact that so many are FE 'believers' is absolutely astonishing to me!

as much as they think everything else is psyops, I thought FE is/was psyop and this guy in the vid explains it from both perspectives AND the best part about it is the Giants! how that is. need to link to it in one of the giant threads.
 
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Username: BrokenAgate
Date: 2019-01-08 22:34:26
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How do we know they aren't on the moon? They can certainly afford it. Do we really know anything they are doing behind our backs? I've seen images of what can only be described as the remnants of man-made structures on the moon and Mars. NASA insists they're just funny-shaped rocks, without explaining how they were formed. Are there people up there now, exploring the ruins of a civilization? We'd never know it if there were.
 
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Username: Prawda
Date: 2019-01-11 15:10:17
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I think the majority of flat earther believers would want to do it. It would be an amazing experience! But you know you can't just simply "drop everything" and go, it's never that easy. Perhaps it's easier for you, in which case, by all means! Show us your discoveries!

For the topic overall, I'm really glad to see this forum is open minded on the subject, and can be discussed openly without the typical BS you see elsewhere. Though I guess when you realize your government lied about history, what makes anyone think they won't lie about the shape of our realm?

Sun hotspots, unparalleled shadows, high altitude balloon launches... If you see the evidence, you gotta ask yourself, do you believe NASA, or your lying eyes?
 
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Username: Archangelclk
Date: 2019-01-11 15:31:49
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Really interesting stuff, I have been open to the idea of FE but have been leaning toward the GE side as it has been difficult to find good well explained arguments on the FE side.
 
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Username: BrokenAgate
Date: 2019-01-11 18:20:45
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Well, there's a reason why NASA stands for Never A Straight Answer! I don't think they'll ever be completely open and honest with us.
 
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Username: TH Dialectic
Date: 2019-01-11 18:27:12
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Our lying spherical eyes :)

Welcome!

TH
 
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Username: Socaltaoist
Date: 2019-01-19 01:52:32
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Damn rude response and clearly didn't even read the post.
 
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Username: Deleted_x7
Date: 2019-01-19 02:34:01
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about bodies of water.. why do they form into spherical droplets instead of flatten out when splashed into the air?
 
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Username: TH Dialectic
Date: 2019-01-19 08:17:34
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We are talking about standing bodies of water, not flowing or falling water droplets. We have huge contained standing bodies of water with a perfectly straight line no matter what height the observer stands.

Obviously the water forms a circle due to air resistance. When it hits he ground remember it can't support its own weight so will seek an equalibrium.

To say the Earth must be a globe because water droplets are spherical is as illogical as saying why isn't it still a sphere or droplet when it hits Terra Firma?

Water doesn't have the ability to support its own weight when contained, it's has no viscosity. Water level or sea level is always level, it's surface been used as a form of measurement and is an indefinit form of measurement. The sea may swell or you may have meniscus surface tension on a very small scale, for example a test tube but other than that, it's level.

Instead of falacious reasoning and assumptive claims let's stick to the natural sciences, science must be demonstrable, repeatable and scalable.

Nothing the globe has to offer are any of the aforementioned, they are working from Riemannian first principles not Euclidean.

As soon as you have an understanding of the claims at hand you will see straight though the BS.

When science works from unprovable axioms and assumptions, and these axioms and assumptions go against everything you experience in your day to day life. It surely makes you think ...

If I was to make a claim that the sky is blue as we have a deep oceananic medium above our heads in which mermaids and deities lived. You couldn't prove or disprove these claims but it doesn't mean you would take them as gospel.

The modern nihilistic big bang narrative being forced down our throat is mockery of the highest order. We need to stick with the natural sciences. Not numbers on a blackboard or beautiful CGI.

"Let scholastic sophisters entangle themselves in their own cobwebs; I am resolved to take my own existence, and the existence of other things, upon trust; and to believe that snow is cold, and honey sweet, whatever they may say to the contrary. He must either be a fool, or want to make a fool of me, that would reason me out of my reason and senses."
- The Works of Thomas Reid; with an Account of His Life and Writings, Volume 1

Great input so far on the thread.

TH
 
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Username: Deleted_x7
Date: 2019-01-19 09:19:17
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who said that? lol where has it been written? but since you mention it, what if we had a mixture with the same amount of soil mixed in as earth does and then made a big splash with it, what shape then? 'naturally'

I like the way this author put it:
I do not wish to understand, I will strive to overstand.


I would take that as 'your' gospel. just like FE is to so many. would like to see some serious attempts to show how with only firsthand experience it can be proven flat. Ive shown how the earth (unless it has changed since) I stand on can be proven to curve and how to repeat my experience.

yeah, it was probably a big orgasm. who knows?


upon trust? thats how we end up with threads like this one. ;-)
 
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Username: TH Dialectic
Date: 2019-01-19 09:51:33
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Trust in our own senses, absolutely.

TH
 
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Username: Tyrion
Date: 2019-01-19 12:02:42
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The Earth is Flat. I can’t believe that so many people fanatically refuse to admit that what they were taught at school, from the earth to history, is almost all BS. If we were living on a spaceship moving faster than Ten X-15s combined, and spinning at the same time, we would notice.
 
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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2019-01-19 12:28:29
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Logically, the fact that the accepted mainstream model is wrong, doesn't automatically lead to the earth being flat. It just means we are not living on a round spinning spaceship in a vast endless galaxy.

It means we are living inside something.

I would be curious if there is a single coherent, rational and scientific explanation by people who are convinced of flat earth, when it comes to flight distances. Since there isn't a single coherent physical model of the flat earth, which could be used to falsifise it, at least there should be an explanation for flight paths.

But there is none imho. No one can explain why you can fly between Johannisburg and Perth non-stop in 10 hours, or why all flights curve in line with the curvature of the earth. Since flat earthers are so keen about direct observations, why has no one booked a flight between Perth and Johannisburg and documented the observation?

Even more fascinating is the stubbornness of the flat-earth people in repeating and spamming the web with their allegations, without providing actual clear arguments. There is simply no relevant data being produced by them. In conclusion, there is no theory available yet, only assumptions. Assumptions which turned out to be baseless.

So how can the fact that often a curve is not directly visible, be anymore than an interesting notion? It is certainly no proof for the earth being flat.

Creating Flight Plans for Flat Earth
A direct test of the flat earth model: flight times - creation.com

Even creationists come to the obvious conclusions, thinking logically.

The entire meme is a virus, I think it prevents a true scientific inquiry into the nature of our enclosed terrarium reality.
 
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Username: Tyrion
Date: 2019-01-19 13:08:13
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I’m no scientist, I only express what my senses tell me and what so many other cultures before, probably more advanced, claim through centuries.

Of course there are mountains, rivers, hills, oceans, etc, but all of that over a flat surface. I do find the theory of the dome earth interesting, basically this world of ours is closed to us, the firmament is impenetrable. Operation Fishbowl was an operation made by the US government to measure de Dome. Whatever the shape of the earth is, it’s not as we have been told, and probably not even the Space exist as we have been told. We don’t know anything and everything is corrupted.
 
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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2019-01-19 13:15:30
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I too find the idea of a dome earth interesting, and all the concepts of past cultures, etc., even though I'm not sure they have survived completely. A flat earth of some sorts is certainly an interesting idea, and definitely more credible than NASA's version.

I just think it would be nice if there was actual proof being produced by the flat-earth community, since they all seem to be 100% sure of their claims.

I think most flat-earthers are probably well-meaning, and I understand that no one can expected to be a scientist.

Also the basic realization that we are living in a small sphere, and there is a dome above us is probably correct, so they are on to something profound.

Here's a good article from creatonist.com about the logical flaws of flat earth ideology:

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There are many different ways to think through these things, but here is one very powerful method. This Venn diagram illustrates two competing theories, represented by the blue and red circles.
Contrary to the way most people think, competing theories are often not mutually-exclusive. In fact, they often predict many of the same things (represented by the area of overlap, zone II, in purple). For example, both creation and evolution can handle ‘change over time’ and ‘natural selection’, so neither of these can be used as “proof” of evolution. Both of these ideas sit comfortably in zone II. Thus, evolution cannot be defined simply as “change over time”. In fact, that is about the lamest possible definition. Any definition of evolution must also include a belief in common ancestry, which is definitely not in the area of overlap!
Most people spend their time arguing about things that fit in the area of overlap. Very often, this results in a sort of tug-of-war over basic facts and the conversation just goes in circles. If you really want to get to the heart of something, you have to get to the outer regions, zones I and III. These are the make-it-or-break-it questions. This is the place where you can really answer something.
For example, if the earth was flat and spinning about the North Pole, one can easily explain why the stars rotate counter-clockwise around the north star. But this is also explained with a spherical earth, so this is a “zone II” argument. However, and this is the kicker, flat-earth theory cannot explain why stars rotate clockwise about the southern pole for stargazers in the southern hemisphere. This is simply not possible unless the earth is indeed a rotating sphere. In fact, there is no “zone 1” for the flat-earther. That is, there is no observational or physical evidence in that theory that is not readily explained by the earth being a sphere. Worse, there is much they cannot explain. Worse yet, some of their ‘evidences’ are demonstrably untrue. Beware! How to think - creation.com

This quote on creationist.com is a great summary of flat-earth thinking:

The weight of evidence is so strongly against you that you actually have no theory. All you can claim is "conspiracy" and "people are lying" and things like that. And you claim I do not understand science! Please, pop your head out of "the rabbit hole of deception" and take a look around.

So if the following assumptions are both true:

(1) flight paths are correct
(2) we live inside something

...what would that something possibly be?

Asking that question would probably be a first step towards answers. The answer migh be obvious, or it may sound like a rhetorical question, but since almost no one is asking that question, there haven't been many models of where we are.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-01-19 13:31:44
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Using just the senses in this body and the processing unit some stuff regarding this thing i am told i live on in no particular order regardng both theories being made to appear certainties about this thing named earth.

This body knows when it is spinning or being affected by something outside of it.
Outer space is simply everything outside of the sensation of (a)being in the body.
Earth is a 'planted word' made up for whatever reason.
Water is everything.
Above my head there is a sufficient volume of water to keep the body on the surface of the water and the land. Divine pressure.
The body only exists when the pressure of the water at the interface with outer space is maintained at a slightly higher divine pressure than outer space indeed all exists by this mechanism.
Water does not cling to the surface of anything.
It is the pressure of water vapour that keeps liquid water liquid.
What we have been told is air is in really water vapour another state of being.
Water moves centripetally or centrifugally when it needs to move quickly.
It is essentially lazy in motion yet can carry anything without holding onto anything and pick up drops, builds destroys with equal disdain for the thing it is acting on/carrying.
This plane is the water plane not an earth plane.
Water moves in any direction.
Under all liquid water at whatever level there is land of some description.
Man cannot get a camera off planet to film the planet because there is no planet.
The only sensory evidence for a moving plane is the passage of the sun and the moon across our binocular vision which is both camera and projector.
The nose gets in the way yet the brain or processor has no trouble filling in the gap, most of the time, what else it fills in is not known.
Things the same size appear to get smaller the further away one gets fom them so the eyes/brain uses perspective to build the world projected.
The water in a dock sharing a wall with the sea doesn't go up and down in level as the sea does. It stays still. Same goes for any bound body of water so either the sea is not bound by anything or the mechanism of movement is an inherent property of the sea of salt water.
The addition of the letter t is all that is required to misdirect. Why this was done/is done is not known.
Water is alive so 'here' is a living plane and is likely either one of many planes of existence or is the totality of everything therefore not contained by anything as it is all that IS.

I am probably barking mad if the reactions of most people I mention these things to is any measure but there it is.
 
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Username: Deleted_x7
Date: 2019-01-19 19:45:05
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hey @jd755, your post is curiously different, I would like to ask you about some points you have made and perhaps make some counter points I think worthy of consideration. not to argue but to see where it leads.
all words are, right? if not then what words are not 'planted'?
how is water, fire? water is certainly an element. one of four according to the ancients (allegedly), five if we are to count plasma as one also.
which 't', which letter 't' in what word? maybe we can figure out the 'why'?
among the living waters, living memory, medium capable of transmitting sounds(word/verb/vibe) faster than air. water is certainly a key component for advanced connections.
the mad hatter. lol tell us about it!
p.s. from: From Transylvania to Tunbridge Wells - Chapter 12
 
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